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| Started by | Jimmy Neutron <nobody@beta.jpunix.net> |
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| First post | 2014-04-24 09:01 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-04-26 04:12 -0500 |
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Apple has more record earnings Jimmy Neutron <nobody@beta.jpunix.net> - 2014-04-24 09:01 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-24 09:14 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-24 08:31 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-25 19:42 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 20:45 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 17:48 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-25 18:02 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 00:42 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 22:56 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 01:11 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 11:00 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:49 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:09 +0000
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:17 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:38 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:12 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:16 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 16:26 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:39 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:50 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:58 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:59 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:01 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:34 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-26 19:19 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:11 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:07 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:44 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-27 09:52 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:21 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:23 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 16:00 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:29 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:43 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:45 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Richard Starkey <nobody@ringo.jpunix.net> - 2014-04-26 02:44 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 08:15 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:47 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-26 13:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:53 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:07 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:35 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:57 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:56 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:24 +0000
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:27 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:37 -0700
To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2014-04-26 19:07 -0700
Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 19:11 -0700
Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 17:46 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:30 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 12:46 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:39 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:30 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:35 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:51 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 16:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:21 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:33 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 21:03 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 13:27 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:35 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:49 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 23:53 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:28 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-28 22:47 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:04 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:37 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-27 19:39 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 09:14 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 05:46 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 03:37 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 13:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 14:37 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 09:25 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-04-28 13:00 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-28 18:05 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:42 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 16:52 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:49 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:26 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:37 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 10:58 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:31 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 16:14 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:28 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:37 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:44 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 01:09 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:52 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:26 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-29 06:54 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:32 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:52 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 14:05 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 15:11 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:51 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:56 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 08:51 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:31 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:13 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:29 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:06 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:24 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:41 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:59 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2014-04-26 04:12 -0500
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 18:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF81AD54.35CDF%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240434 |
On 4/26/14, 6:27 PM, in article ljhme7$9ta$1@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom" <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:57:43 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>> The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware and >>>> designs cost about the same, though slightly less. >>> >>> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"? >> >> It's "about the same" if you're not very good at math. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field > > Reality distortion field (RDF) is a term coined by Bud Tribble at Apple > Computer in 1981, to describe company co-founder Steve Jobs' charisma and > its effects on the developers working on the Macintosh project. > Tribble said that the term came from Star Trek. Later the term has > also been used to refer to perceptions of his keynote speeches (or > "Stevenotes") by observers and devoted users of Apple computers and > products. > > The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs' ability to convince > himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, > charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. Maybe if he had worked for Stallman he could have convinced people to use desktop Linux... for free. So far that goal has pretty much failed. -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 19:07 -0700 |
| Subject | To get -your- job done, buy a PC. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26{19.07.Seattle.2014}> |
| In reply to | #240436 |
<PRE Style='White-Space: PRE !important; Font-Size: 18px !important;Font-Family: monospace !important;'> To get -your- job done, buy a PC. To serve the (unwashed) masses, use Linux. To look stylish, around town, buy Apple. ----- http://Jeff-Relf.Me/DirectX.CPP http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Glyph.JPG http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.CPP http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.PNG http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.EXE
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 19:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. |
| Message-ID | <CF81B570.35CEA%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240438 |
On 4/26/14, 7:07 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26{19.07.Seattle.2014},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
>
> To get -your- job done, buy a PC.
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> To serve the (unwashed) masses, use Linux.
>
> To look stylish, around town, buy Apple.
I use a Mac in my house. I do so because it serves me better for less money.
But use what you like... different people have different needs and tastes.
--
* Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto>
* Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 20:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. |
| Message-ID | <3443070c-27e5-47ec-a859-a386043f8fce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #240439 |
On Sunday, April 27, 2014 2:11:44 AM UTC, Snit wrote:
> On 4/26/14, 7:07 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26{19.07.Seattle.2014},
>
> "Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
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> > To get -your- job done, buy a PC.
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> > To serve the (unwashed) masses, use Linux.
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> >
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> > To look stylish, around town, buy Apple.
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> I use a Mac in my house. I do so because it serves me better for less money.
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> But use what you like... different people have different needs and tastes.
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> --
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> * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
>
> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
>
> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
>
> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
>
> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
>
> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
>
> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto>
>
> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4>
>
> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
You bought your Mac with foodstamps, Michael Glasser of Prescott, Arizona.
http://prescottcomputerguy.com/screenflow
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 11:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljj75p$php$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240410 |
On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines >>> with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities. >> >> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >> Windows ones, just fine. > > Not as many as linux can, though The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 17:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljj8o7$2jm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240466 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > >>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>> posibilities. >>> >>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>> Windows ones, just fine. >> >> Not as many as linux can, though > > The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if > we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned > earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the > user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more > regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as > far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL > in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. > You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 09:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF827EB0.35D30%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240470 |
On 4/27/14, 8:46 AM, in article ljj8o7$2jm$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>> posibilities. >>>> >>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>> >>> Not as many as linux can, though >> >> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >> > > You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run > under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows Why not use your Voldermort software to demonstrate this. That would be great advocacy. Pick 2 or 3 popular games and show them. Oh. LOL! You are Peter - and you will never even try. Completely predictable. -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 12:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljjc90$v6l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240470 |
On 2014-04-27 11:46 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>> posibilities. >>>> >>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>> >>> Not as many as linux can, though >> >> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >> > > You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run > under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows That's entirely possible though the common problem is that they don't work AS WELL as they would under Windows in some cases. If, for instance, they are games which were optimized for DirectX 11, they might work under Wine as they would for DirectX 9 in Windows, though they wouldn't look as pretty. If prettiness is not a concern for the player and he simply requires for it to work, that's fine. Either way, I think it's just a matter of time before DirectX 11 support is available under Wine and the whole library of games works. The fact that Wine has been able to get as much as it has to work is quite exceptional. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 13:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bs516nFg0kiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #240470 |
On 2014-04-27 15:46:15 +0000, Peter Köhlmann said: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>> posibilities. >>>> >>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>> >>> Not as many as linux can, though >> >> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >> > > You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run > under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows I can get all the games to run with a VM and Windows on an OSX box though probably not at the best frame rates for some of them. If you are a serious pc gamer, you're not running Linux or OSX, you're running Windows on a well tricked out PC. -- Lloyd
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| From | "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljjpcm$uaa$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #240470 |
"PeterKöhlcunt" yapped: >Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>> posibilities. >>>> >>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>> >>> Not as many as linux can, though >> >> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >> > >You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run >under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows > Source? No.......OK, thought so. And of course you made a video to prove it? OK, thought so. And now fuck off, you ignorant twat!
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 13:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF82B824.35D7E%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240513 |
On 4/27/14, 1:30 PM, in article ljjpcm$uaa$1@news.albasani.net, "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> wrote: >>> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >>> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >>> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >>> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >>> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >>> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >>> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >>> >> >> You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run >> under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows >> > Source? No.......OK, thought so. > And of course you made a video to prove it? OK, thought so. > And now fuck off, you ignorant twat! He has his Voldermort software to make great recordings. I am sure they are on their way! -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6082bbe0-1dc7-4a13-9b6d-a7bbce416524@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #240515 |
On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:35:32 PM UTC, Snit wrote: > On 4/27/14, 1:30 PM, in article ljjpcm$uaa$1@news.albasani.net, "Cola > > Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> wrote: > > > > >>> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if > > >>> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned > > >>> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the > > >>> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more > > >>> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as > > >>> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL > > >>> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. > > >>> > > >> > > >> You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run > > >> under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows > > >> > > > Source? No.......OK, thought so. > > > And of course you made a video to prove it? OK, thought so. > > > And now fuck off, you ignorant twat! > > > > He has his Voldermort software to make great recordings. I am sure they are > > on their way! Peter never said he had "Voldermort software." This is another lie of yours, Michael Glasser of Prescott, Arizona. Prescott Computer Guy http://prescottcomputerguy.com
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 15:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8761ltr28s.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #240470 |
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>> posibilities. >>>> >>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>> >>> Not as many as linux can, though >> >> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >> > > You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to run > under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows Bull fucking shit. You're an ignorant liar. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljlmtp$b6q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240625 |
Hadron wrote: > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: > >> Silver Slimer wrote: >> >>> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>> >>>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>>> posibilities. >>>>> >>>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>>> >>>> Not as many as linux can, though >>> >>> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >>> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >>> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >>> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >>> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >>> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >>> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >>> >> >> You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to >> run under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows > > Bull fucking shit. > > You're an ignorant liar. > Feel free to prove me wrong, lying imbecile Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry You continue to prove beyond any doubt that dirt is real smart compared to scum like you
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 12:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljlv54$ca9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240629 |
On 2014-04-28 10:00 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Hadron wrote: > >> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: >> >>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>> >>>> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too >>>>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>>>> posibilities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>>>> >>>>> Not as many as linux can, though >>>> >>>> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >>>> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >>>> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >>>> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot more >>>> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >>>> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with OpenGL >>>> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >>>> >>> >>> You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to >>> run under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under windows >> >> Bull fucking shit. >> >> You're an ignorant liar. >> > > Feel free to prove me wrong, lying imbecile Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry > > You continue to prove beyond any doubt that dirt is real smart compared to > scum like you As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse performance than in Windows. Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu And another from Phoronix: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a few years. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 11:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <5_qdnSBQS_K9E8POnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240648 |
On 4/28/2014 10:20 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 10:00 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Hadron wrote: >> >>> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: >>> >>>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-04-26 6:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the >>>>>>>> machines with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade >>>>>>>> posibilities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Utter bullshit Peter. While Apple puts about zero emphasis on >>>>>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including >>>>>>> Windows ones, just fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not as many as linux can, though >>>>> >>>>> The reality is that OS X plays a few more games than GNU/Linux does if >>>>> we're only speaking about native ones. However, like I mentioned >>>>> earlier, GNU/Linux gets drivers directly from the manufacturer if the >>>>> user chooses to use a proprietary driver and they are updated a lot >>>>> more >>>>> regularly than Mac ones are. GNU/Linux therefore gets the advantage as >>>>> far as performance goes. In fact, if the game is programmed with >>>>> OpenGL >>>>> in mind, GNU/Linux gets the best performance of all three platforms. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can just by installing wine get about 60% - 70% of the PC games to >>>> run under linux. Several will run even faster than nativly under >>>> windows >>> >>> Bull fucking shit. >>> >>> You're an ignorant liar. >>> >> >> Feel free to prove me wrong, lying imbecile Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry >> >> You continue to prove beyond any doubt that dirt is real smart >> compared to >> scum like you > > As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu > vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. > However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse > performance than in Windows. > > Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: > http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu > > > And another from Phoronix: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 > > However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming > straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be > disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under > GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that > instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a few > years. > The OpenGL choice would help it be able to run across a few linux distros. But the DirectX for windows always has been a bit faster than GL on windows. Problem with directx is that is isn't that easy to program.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 13:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljm3e5$9sk$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240672 |
On 2014-04-28 1:21 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >> As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu >> vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. >> However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse >> performance than in Windows. >> >> Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu >> >> >> And another from Phoronix: >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 >> >> However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming >> straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be >> disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under >> GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that >> instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a few >> years. >> > The OpenGL choice would help it be able to run across a few linux > distros. But the DirectX for windows always has been a bit faster than > GL on windows. Problem with directx is that is isn't that easy to program. I actually don't understand why DirectX is used considering OpenGL seems to be superior in every way IN ADDITION to being available on all platforms ensuring that a release can be made available without discrimination or delay for all operating systems. I can only assume that DirectX is used either because it's what the programmers the game companies hire learned or because Microsoft is somehow encouraging its use. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 12:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LM2dnRTQbtqwBMPOnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240677 |
On 4/28/2014 11:33 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 1:21 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > >>> As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu >>> vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. >>> However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse >>> performance than in Windows. >>> >>> Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu >>> >>> >>> >>> And another from Phoronix: >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 >>> >>> However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming >>> straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be >>> disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under >>> GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that >>> instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a few >>> years. >>> >> The OpenGL choice would help it be able to run across a few linux >> distros. But the DirectX for windows always has been a bit faster than >> GL on windows. Problem with directx is that is isn't that easy to >> program. > > I actually don't understand why DirectX is used considering OpenGL seems > to be superior in every way IN ADDITION to being available on all > platforms ensuring that a release can be made available without > discrimination or delay for all operating systems. I can only assume > that DirectX is used either because it's what the programmers the game > companies hire learned or because Microsoft is somehow encouraging its use. > I think it is just Microsofts aversion to OpenGL. It is provided but it is version 1.2. DirectX does run faster a bit than OpenGL, but not by much.
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 21:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljm8li$msj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240686 |
GreyCloud wrote: > On 4/28/2014 11:33 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: >> On 2014-04-28 1:21 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >> >>>> As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu >>>> vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. >>>> However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse >>>> performance than in Windows. >>>> >>>> Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: >>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And another from Phoronix: >>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 >>>> >>>> However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming >>>> straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be >>>> disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under >>>> GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that >>>> instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a >>>> few years. >>>> >>> The OpenGL choice would help it be able to run across a few linux >>> distros. But the DirectX for windows always has been a bit faster than >>> GL on windows. Problem with directx is that is isn't that easy to >>> program. >> >> I actually don't understand why DirectX is used considering OpenGL seems >> to be superior in every way IN ADDITION to being available on all >> platforms ensuring that a release can be made available without >> discrimination or delay for all operating systems. I can only assume >> that DirectX is used either because it's what the programmers the game >> companies hire learned or because Microsoft is somehow encouraging its >> use. >> > I think it is just Microsofts aversion to OpenGL. It is provided but it > is version 1.2. DirectX does run faster a bit than OpenGL, but not by > much. In windows, DirectX runs faster because OpenGL is emulated in big parts by converting calls to it to DirectX ones, and converting back the return values. Windows has not had a real OpenGL stack since a long time.
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 13:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <AfWdnS6lUIwjNsPOnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240694 |
On 4/28/2014 1:03 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: > >> On 4/28/2014 11:33 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: >>> On 2014-04-28 1:21 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>> >>>>> As of 2010, Hadron is correct. The same game running natively in Ubuntu >>>>> vs native Windows is likely to run better if it's an OpenGL game. >>>>> However, when using Wine, a GNU/Linux user will indeed expect worse >>>>> performance than in Windows. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a post on Ubuntu's forums about it. It's fairly detailed: >>>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/163903/gaming-performance-difference-between-windows-and-ubuntu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And another from Phoronix: >>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wine_win7_2010&num=1 >>>>> >>>>> However, it should be noted that many of the newer games are coming >>>>> straight to GNU/Linux so the advantage of Windows in this area might be >>>>> disappearing. Performance-wise, OpenGL games run somewhat better under >>>>> GNU/Linux so if the companies, smartly, decide to develop for that >>>>> instead of DirectX, GNU/Linux is likely to become the #1 choice in a >>>>> few years. >>>>> >>>> The OpenGL choice would help it be able to run across a few linux >>>> distros. But the DirectX for windows always has been a bit faster than >>>> GL on windows. Problem with directx is that is isn't that easy to >>>> program. >>> >>> I actually don't understand why DirectX is used considering OpenGL seems >>> to be superior in every way IN ADDITION to being available on all >>> platforms ensuring that a release can be made available without >>> discrimination or delay for all operating systems. I can only assume >>> that DirectX is used either because it's what the programmers the game >>> companies hire learned or because Microsoft is somehow encouraging its >>> use. >>> >> I think it is just Microsofts aversion to OpenGL. It is provided but it >> is version 1.2. DirectX does run faster a bit than OpenGL, but not by >> much. > > In windows, DirectX runs faster because OpenGL is emulated in big parts by > converting calls to it to DirectX ones, and converting back the return > values. Windows has not had a real OpenGL stack since a long time. > I know. Don't know why they don't upgrade, but I think they want their own engine. Windows never did include glut... and it is easy to obtain and build. But glut is just for educational purposes as I understand it.
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