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The Vista Upgrade Layer

Started byChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
First post2015-03-31 06:14 -0400
Last post2015-03-31 21:18 -0400
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  The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-31 06:14 -0400
    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 08:39 -0400
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-31 14:47 +0200
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 08:56 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-31 17:02 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 13:02 -0400
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-31 13:30 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 13:37 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:19 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 21:27 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 14:14 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:18 -0600
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 10:07 -0400
            At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-31 13:02 -0500
              Re: At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 14:29 -0400
                Re: At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:18 -0600
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 11:34 -0600
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-03-31 18:27 +0200
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 12:33 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-03-31 19:10 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-31 12:50 -0500
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-31 20:07 +0000
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 16:12 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:16 -0600
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-04-01 02:33 +0200
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:59 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 00:57 -0700
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 06:51 -0500
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 07:55 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 12:12 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 14:08 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 08:26 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 14:53 +0200
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 09:05 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:44 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 16:18 +0200
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:40 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:21 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 14:04 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:38 -0500
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:24 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:19 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:19 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 10:30 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-03 13:46 -0400
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 18:25 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-04 11:51 -0400
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:18 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:23 -0500
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:51 -0400
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 07:05 -0500
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-03 13:06 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 11:56 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 20:08 +0200
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-04 16:20 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 01:02 +0200
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-05 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:29 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-05 11:34 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 22:44 +0200
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 15:27 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 23:36 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-06 13:07 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 07:30 -0500
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-06 10:39 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:15 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:20 -0500
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:54 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 22:00 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:21 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:17 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 01:05 +0200
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:57 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:53 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-02 09:58 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:31 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 12:59 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 20:54 +0000
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:12 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 08:23 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:11 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 13:08 +0000
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:10 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:16 -0500
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 13:09 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 20:49 +0000
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 15:46 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 21:22 +0000
                            Just get Mint, Okay? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 15:59 -0700
                              Re: Just get Mint, Okay? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 23:32 +0000
                                Re: Just get Mint, Okay? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:52 -0600
                                Re: Just get Mint, Okay? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 12:35 +0000
                                  Re: Just get Mint, Okay? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-04 00:38 +0000
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:09 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:06 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:04 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 16:02 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:51 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-02 08:58 -0400
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:21 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 16:16 +0200
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 09:32 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:41 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:02 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:38 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:01 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:59 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:56 -0600
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-01 21:02 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-02 03:17 +0000
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 09:42 -0400
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 13:34 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-04-01 02:39 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 21:39 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 09:18 +0200
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 09:27 -0400
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 17:00 +0200
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 11:13 -0400
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:56 -0600
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 14:06 +0000
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 11:07 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:56 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 20:00 +0200
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 14:27 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:17 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 21:13 +0000
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:16 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:16 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 00:26 +0200
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 23:00 +0000
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-01 20:08 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 01:10 -0700
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-02 13:53 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 15:15 +0200
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:53 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:29 +0100
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:23 -0600
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:50 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-02 05:06 -0700
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:44 -0600
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:44 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 00:07 +0200
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-02 23:27 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 01:02 +0200
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:47 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 23:36 +0000
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-03 09:33 +0100
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 11:54 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:46 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:36 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:18 -0600
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:46 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:35 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:17 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-07 13:12 -0700
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 17:22 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-07 23:55 +0200
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-07 18:11 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 18:30 -0400
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:04 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 00:42 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:04 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 09:54 +0100
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 11:08 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-08 12:08 -0700
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 15:12 -0600
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 17:39 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-08 22:38 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:35 +0100
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:30 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:26 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 15:08 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:02 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:19 +0100
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 18:12 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:01 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:25 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:59 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 00:40 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:25 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-07 23:43 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 00:52 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 19:16 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:58 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:23 -0400
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-08 12:58 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:25 -0400
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 10:55 -0700
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:52 -0600
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:51 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:57 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:21 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:54 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:53 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:15 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:07 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:49 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 00:39 +0200
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 22:48 +0000
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-08 16:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-08 23:57 +0000
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-08 17:11 -0700
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:24 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-09 00:01 +0100
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 09:44 +0100
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 12:48 +0200
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-09 12:37 +0100
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 07:39 -0500
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 16:57 +0100
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-09 12:03 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:22 -0600
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:29 -0400
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:36 -0600
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:10 +0100
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:13 -0400
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:18 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:31 -0600
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:10 -0400
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:19 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 08:51 -0400
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:17 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-07 18:03 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:52 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:24 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 05:37 -0700
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 09:34 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 07:44 -0700
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 14:58 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 15:03 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:14 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:47 -0600
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:24 +0100
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-07 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:27 +0100
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:28 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:45 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 09:50 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-07 22:35 +0200
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-07 13:58 -0700
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 17:31 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:28 +0000
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 19:14 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:50 -0600
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:04 +0100
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 11:12 +0200
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:39 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-08 12:11 +0100
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:34 -0400
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 12:36 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:38 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 07:11 -0500
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 13:59 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:01 +0200
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 17:22 +0100
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:28 +0200
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:01 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:17 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 12:52 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 09:39 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 12:46 +0200
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:26 +0100
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:16 -0600
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:23 -0400
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:29 -0600
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-10 07:51 +0200
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:48 -0400
                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:09 -0600
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:05 -0600
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 16:42 +0200
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:15 -0400
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:13 +0100
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:14 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:22 -0500
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 14:44 +0100
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:44 -0400
                                                              Turdv is a Troll that uses windows. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:01 -0600
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:35 +0000
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-09 14:04 -0700
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:20 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 17:27 +0200
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 11:42 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 17:49 +0200
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 18:00 +0200
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 18:16 +0200
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 12:04 -0400
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 12:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 18:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:09 -0400
                                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 19:18 +0200
                                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:48 -0400
                                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 14:16 -0400
                                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 11:27 -0700
                                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 14:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 21:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 15:35 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:41 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 17:24 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:22 -0600
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:20 -0600
                                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 15:16 -0700
                                                                                  The Zeke dissembling layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-09 19:07 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 23:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 02:33 +0200
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 20:40 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 20:46 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 21:05 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:19 -0600
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:38 +0200
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 02:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:51 +0200
                                                                                                Re: The Zeke dissembling layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 06:41 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: The Zeke dissembling layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 05:43 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:28 -0400
                                                                                                  Here's a fart for you to sniff, Turdv. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:00 -0600
                                                                                                Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:00 -0600
                                                                                              Re: The Zeke dissembling layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 10:48 -0400
                                                                                              WrongB the LinCultist.  Guffaw!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 11:59 -0600
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 11:57 -0600
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 02:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:48 +0200
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-10 06:08 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 03:50 -0700
                                                                                        Here, it's all wank, no work. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:50 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Here, it's all wank, no work. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:14 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:18 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Christopher John Ahlstrom enjoys the male penis "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:07 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:00 -0400
                                                                                  What's optimal ? ! Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 18:40 -0700
                                                                                    Re: What's optimal ? ! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 22:00 -0400
                                                                                      My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:29 -0700
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 22:33 -0400
                                                                                          My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:40 -0700
                                                                                            Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 22:55 -0400
                                                                                              My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 20:07 -0700
                                                                                                OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 20:14 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:42 -0400
                                                                                                Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 01:21 -0400
                                                                                                  OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                    OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 23:10 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 08:32 -0400
                                                                                                      OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 05:57 -0700
                                                                                                        This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 06:10 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 09:18 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:31 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:12 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:46 -0400
                                                                                              Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:16 -0400
                                                                                            Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:12 -0400
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:09 -0400
                                                                                          I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 06:15 -0700
                                                                                            Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 09:41 -0400
                                                                                              My (top rated) SSD is 2.54 times faster than DFS'. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 07:44 -0700
                                                                                                Re: My (top rated) SSD is 2.54 times faster than DFS'. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-12 08:04 -0400
                                                                                                  The Vector 4 remains "top rated". Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 07:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:35 -0400
                                                                                                Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 08:59 -0700
                                                                                                I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 09:38 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 15:07 -0400
                                                                                                    CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 17:47 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 01:27 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 23:04 -0400
                                                                                                        "100% drive life"; no degregation. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-11 00:21 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "100% drive life"; no degregation. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-11 12:55 -0400
                                                                                                            Cell phones are what keeps your girlfriend entertained. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-11 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "100% drive life"; no degregation. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-12 07:51 -0400
                                                                                                            The i7-4790S has "HD Graphics 4600" built in. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 06:02 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The i7-4790S has "HD Graphics 4600" built in. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-12 11:35 -0400
                                                                                                                When idle, the i7-4790S consumes less power, 65 Watts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: When idle, the i7-4790S consumes less power, 65 Watts. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-12 15:37 -0400
                                                                                                                    Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 19:23 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 06:06 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 10:47 -0400
                                                                                                                          @Slimer is anonymous, ashamed. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 08:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 08:45 -0700
                                                                                                                            I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 09:12 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 13:05 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:42 -0400
                                                                                                                                You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 16:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 17:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                    IO operations per second. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 22:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 08:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 08:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 12:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 11:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 18:23 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 15:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 20:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 21:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-17 00:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-16 21:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-17 11:57 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Today, the Mac Mini is a REAL desktop PC. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-14 09:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 22:33 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 04:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-16 16:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-16 20:15 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-16 20:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-16 19:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 19:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 09:00 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 08:47 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. newone <newone@example.tld> - 2015-04-17 03:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-17 08:50 -0400
                                                                                                                        Road warriors. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Road warriors. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 08:58 -0700
                                                                                            Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:32 -0400
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 11:15 -0400
                                                                                          Hour·long, 1080p, surround·sound videos are gigaBytes each. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 09:15 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Hour·long, 1080p, surround·sound videos are gigaBytes each. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 15:05 -0400
                                                                                    Cell phones are NOTHING compared my 4K IPS monitor... Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:15 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:07 -0500
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:27 -0500
                                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 11:08 -0700
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#289414 — I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior.

FromJeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date2015-04-13 09:12 -0700
SubjectI'm the direct opposite of a road warrior.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13{9.12A.Seattle.2015}>
In reply to#289409
<PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A !important;'><big><big> 
Hugh·Huntzinger & @Slimer,

Programmers spend long, long hours at the keyboard.

So a programmable keyboard makes sense.
Programming the mouse makes TOTAL sense.

I'm like a keyboardist, but this is my piano:
  Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
  
Music helps, and I take calls;
so a programmable headset, and surround sound, makes sense.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Programmable_Logitech_g35_USB_Gaming_HeadSet_.JPG

I lay in bed, naked, because that's the best way to code, 
hour after hour, day after day.

My IPD 4K monitor swings over my bed; so I need the monitor arm.

I need the 4K because I modify tons of code/text.

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual-Studio-2013-Toolbars.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Workrite.Poise.Monitor.Arm.JPG

For me, a desktop is the ONLY way to go, it's not optional.
I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior.

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#289419 — Re: I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-04-13 09:36 -0700
SubjectRe: I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior.
Message-ID<D1513E9D.4A0EB%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#289414
On 4/13/15, 9:12 AM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13{9.12A.Seattle.2015},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:

>  
> Hugh·Huntzinger & @Slimer,
> 
> Programmers spend long, long hours at the keyboard.
> 
> So a programmable keyboard makes sense.
> Programming the mouse makes TOTAL sense.

I have a programmable mouse and I love it. Makes me much more efficient.
When I am at a different computer without my setup it really jumps out at
me.

The main thing I program my mouse for is so my next / prev buttons work as I
want them to in any program... moving from tab to tab in browsers and
editors with tabs, moving up and down files in file listings, etc.

I also have the middle mouse button set up to do common features in many
programs - largely hide / show things I commonly want to show (extras in
Photoshop, read / unread items in mail and Usenet and RSS readers, etc.) but
also sometimes special features I want quick access to without having to
remember the normal hot key, such as showing the full timeline in video
editors.

...


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#289430 — Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-13 13:05 -0400
SubjectRe: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.
Message-ID<mggsuq$ls3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#289409
On 2015-04-13 11:45 AM, -hh wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My CPU is 4 GigaHz, yours isn't.
>>>
>>> Not per the link you provided:  its 3.2GHz which is
>>> capable of 'turbo boost' up to 4Ghz - - but only
>>> when the thermal envelope permits.  If the environment
>>> is relatively hostile thermally, it might not even be
>>> able to run at 3.2GHz.
>>
>> The difference is also that his is a desktop processor
>> whereas mine is a mobile one. His cooling conditions
>> are much better...
>
> There is that too.
>
>> However, I wonder why I would even need for my
>> processor to go to 4GHz.  For gaming, even a i5 is fine.
>> I only have an i7 because that's what came with the
>> laptop and I paid a good amount to get it and its very
>> decent GTX 970M.
>
> For gaming, I really don't have any idea anymore; put
> that use case aside quite awhile ago.

I'm weaning away from it and noticing that the games which satisfy me 
the most are strategy titles which don't require powerful CPUs and GPUs 
anyway. I'm currently addicted to XCOM: Enemy Unknown and even though I 
haven't tested it, I'm sure it would run just fine on a lowly Intel HD 4600.

>>> Similarly, clock speed isn't necessarily everything,
>>> as today's systems can easily have their performance
>>> bottlenecked at I/O...
>>
>> Maybe he needs that much power for programming, but
>> I sincerely doubt it...
>
> Been a loooong time since I've done such things; my
> ancient recollection is that horsepower wasn't needed
> when using a text editor to write code, but it was
> needed when it came time to compile (or run in a real
> time interpretor.  In the old days, it was also an
> excucse to get up to stretch the legs/etc.

Something tells me that the only stretching Jeff Relf does is of his 
penis. The list of downloaded videos he showed us the other day 
essentially confirm that.

>>> [past comments on SSD]
>>>
>>> Ditto here too:  sure we can say that "faster is better"
>>> from a system response perspective, which will have an
>>> impact on general productivity, but there are also quite
>>> specific performance levels which will make-or-break the
>>> feasibility of performing certain productivity tasks..
>>
>> Anyways, this discussion went on for much longer than it
>> should have (and I didn't even receive Jeff Relf's reply
>> even though he's not filtered so I am responding to him
>> through you). The reality here is that I don't care about
>> my hardware the same way that I don't care about my car.
>> I drive a Jeep Patriot while my wife drives a BMW 428i.
>> The reason is simple: I live in Quebec where rocks, the
>> climate and idiot drivers will ruin my car. As a result,
>> I just want something to get me from Point A to Point B
>> and I don't care if it eventually breaks because I can
>> just buy another shitmobile. I _could_ get another beamer,
>> but the inevitable rust, scratches and pucks would bother
>> me. My wife, on the other hand, loves the luxury and
>> insists on it. All power to her.
>
> Plus when the two of you go on a road trip, you're free to
> choose between the two for what's most appropriate for that
> particular trip.

Well, I take the Patriot for long trips because of the extra room and 
the fact that just about any mechanic can repair the car. A BMW requires 
you to go to a BMW dealer. I mean, I like the car but I hate to be 
forced to go to a specific place when my car broke down in the middle of 
nowhere. Either way, luxury cars are for my wife. I'd be happy to 
replace this Patriot with a Buick SUV or something next year. It's a 
compromise between luxury and shitmobile.

>> My point: hardware doesn't impress me. Intelligent people do.
>
> I'd just assume judge how well the capability needs have
> been satisfied with the (hardware) solution.  Sure, there
> can be other input factors into this too, but what's not
> seen often enough is for someone to be simply willing to
> say "I overbought XX because I simply wantd it".  Doesn't
> really matter if we're talking PCs or personal vehicles.

I only bought the Patriot when I did because I was getting tired of 
looking at my Volvo S40 2001's exterior. It still worked very well 
210,000km in.

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#289448 — Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2015-04-13 11:05 -0700
SubjectRe: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.
Message-ID<1d4a9171-f60a-4587-9b59-40bd0d93445f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#289430
Slimer wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> >
> > For gaming, I really don't have any idea anymore; put
> > that use case aside quite awhile ago.
> 
> I'm weaning away from it and noticing that the 
> games which satisfy me the most are strategy titles 
> which don't require powerful CPUs and GPUs anyway...

Its been a long time since I've personally bothered 
with any of what I called "twitch" games.  To each
their own, of course.  Doesn't mean that I have no
GPU needs, but merely that they're for different 
end state purposes, such as to accelerate renders
of various filters for photography, etc. 


> >>> Similarly, clock speed isn't necessarily everything,
> >>> as today's systems can easily have their performance
> >>> bottlenecked at I/O...
> >>
> >> Maybe he needs that much power for programming, but
> >> I sincerely doubt it...
> >
> > Been a loooong time since I've done such things; my
> > ancient recollection is that horsepower wasn't needed
> > when using a text editor to write code, but it was
> > needed when it came time to compile (or run in a real
> > time interpretor.  In the old days, it was also an
> > excucse to get up to stretch the legs/etc.
> 
> Something tells me that the only stretching Jeff Relf
> does is of his penis. The list of downloaded videos...

TMI becons...



> >> Anyways...[cars]
> >
> > Plus when the two of you go on a road trip, you're free to
> > choose between the two for what's most appropriate for that
> > particular trip.
> 
> Well, I take the Patriot for long trips because of the 
> extra room and the fact that just about any mechanic can
> repair the car. A BMW requires you to go to a BMW dealer. 
> I mean, I like the car but I hate to be forced to go to a
> specific place when my car broke down in the middle of 
> nowhere. 

Interesting, although in a different direction for me:  my
approach would be that any car that one wouldn't be willing
to risk taking on a road trip with because of mechanical 
reliability concerns had better either be a fun old roadster, 
or a daily driver that's now quite old and about to be replaced.  
Life is too short to tolerate an unreliable car, unless the
car itself is worth it (shades of Lucas Electronics jokes).
Ditto in how this gets applied the same to one's PC's too.  

-hh

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#289491 — Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-13 17:42 -0400
SubjectRe: Thank God for cell phones and laptops.
Message-ID<mghd74$rbf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#289448
On 2015-04-13 2:05 PM, -hh wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> For gaming, I really don't have any idea anymore; put
>>> that use case aside quite awhile ago.
>>
>> I'm weaning away from it and noticing that the
>> games which satisfy me the most are strategy titles
>> which don't require powerful CPUs and GPUs anyway...
>
> Its been a long time since I've personally bothered
> with any of what I called "twitch" games.  To each
> their own, of course.  Doesn't mean that I have no
> GPU needs, but merely that they're for different
> end state purposes, such as to accelerate renders
> of various filters for photography, etc.

I used to do a lot of graphics as a teenager and would have appreciated 
having the kind of machine I have today back then but my GPU is 
otherwise used to make my games look as good as they can.

>>>>> Similarly, clock speed isn't necessarily everything,
>>>>> as today's systems can easily have their performance
>>>>> bottlenecked at I/O...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he needs that much power for programming, but
>>>> I sincerely doubt it...
>>>
>>> Been a loooong time since I've done such things; my
>>> ancient recollection is that horsepower wasn't needed
>>> when using a text editor to write code, but it was
>>> needed when it came time to compile (or run in a real
>>> time interpretor.  In the old days, it was also an
>>> excucse to get up to stretch the legs/etc.
>>
>> Something tells me that the only stretching Jeff Relf
>> does is of his penis. The list of downloaded videos...
>
> TMI becons...

:)

>>>> Anyways...[cars]
>>>
>>> Plus when the two of you go on a road trip, you're free to
>>> choose between the two for what's most appropriate for that
>>> particular trip.
>>
>> Well, I take the Patriot for long trips because of the
>> extra room and the fact that just about any mechanic can
>> repair the car. A BMW requires you to go to a BMW dealer.
>> I mean, I like the car but I hate to be forced to go to a
>> specific place when my car broke down in the middle of
>> nowhere.
>
> Interesting, although in a different direction for me:  my
> approach would be that any car that one wouldn't be willing
> to risk taking on a road trip with because of mechanical
> reliability concerns had better either be a fun old roadster,
> or a daily driver that's now quite old and about to be replaced.
> Life is too short to tolerate an unreliable car, unless the
> car itself is worth it (shades of Lucas Electronics jokes).
> Ditto in how this gets applied the same to one's PC's too.

That's what's surprising about the Jeep Patriot: it's an incredibly 
reliable car. Its ball joints leave a little to be desired but 
everything else is quite splendid considering I live in what would be 
considered an extreme climate for cars. It's good enough that I would 
actually consider getting a Dodge sports car as my next vehicle but I 
get the impression Dodge doesn't build them the way that Jeep does.

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#289549 — You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromJeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date2015-04-13 16:48 -0700
SubjectYou couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13{4.48P.Seattle.2015}>
In reply to#289448
I don't know why you guys ( Hugh·Huntzinger and @Slimer )
think desktops are for "twitch" gamers ONLY.

As a programmer, I spend long hours at the keyboard.

So I want the very best keyboard, the very best mouse,
the best headset, the best monitor, a monitor arm, etc.

"Mobility" means NOTHING to me;
you couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop, 
much less a cell phone.

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#289562 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2015-04-13 17:45 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<6bed07f2-1e3e-48ee-b005-8a8c3bc12218@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#289549
Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> I don't know why you guys... think desktops are for "twitch" gamers ONLY.

Because they're not and its not what is being said. 

Granted, the big GPU card of a desktop is what is pretty commonly found
as desired for high rez / high frame rate games, but that's not the only
use case for desktops at all.  
 

> As a programmer, I spend long hours at the keyboard.
> 
> So I want the very best keyboard, the very best mouse,
> the best headset, the best monitor, a monitor arm, etc.

Nothing of which has to do with the specification requirements 
of the PC that's driving that stuff, and laptops have progressed 
o have enough 'horsepower' to satisfy those needs, so they
can't be totally ignored out of hand.


  
 
> "Mobility" means NOTHING to me;
> you couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop, 
> much less a cell phone.

That's nonsensical, for at the very least, if someone did give you some
super gaming laptop, you could take it and then sell it off to buy whatever
desktop stuff you wanted.

But be that as it may, the trend for reduced form factors is nothing to 
sneeze at.   

For example in your use case, you only need one drive bay, and probably
~95% of the time while you're writing code, you're not really pulling
much horsepower, so a Small Form Factor (SFF) machine like the  Mac
mini or its Intel equivalent would probably do just fine.  Sure, if you don't
care about how much room stuff takes up, as SFF isn't value-added to 
you personally to make it worth paying more for, but there's ample other 
folks out there who do place some value on SFF systems such that the
technology has become part of the desktop market.

Thus, the days of the big honking desktop box are continue to be in 
decline, particularly amongst consumers willing to pay a bit more to
improve the system's size/mobility.  Part and parcel with this is the
continuing growth in hard drive capacity, as well as the ongoing
decline in SSD cost per GB ... with many users not even taxing a single
SSD, let alone a 3.5" drive of a couple of TB (especially now that there's 
now some at 6TB), the the use case who materially differentiates on 
having bays for several drives is an increasingly small niche.  This 
doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but merely that they're no longer 
as representative of the mainstream such as was the case when a hard 
drive was 500MB ... or even 4GB or even 40GB and there were workflow 
use cases where it legitimately merited a hardware solution which 
entailed having more than two or three local hard drives.   

And with a 256GB SSD, you're an example of this too:  you've
demonstrated that you don't need the capabilities of your big empty 
box, and that you basically bought on lowest bidder rather than for
a need to fill it out to something akin to its utmost capability. 

FWIW, I'm not too terribly different either, as while I'm exploiting a
strategy of multiple spindles, I'm not dong so with the largest possible
capacity hard drives sold today - - but in this case, the number of
spindles is an integral part of the use case requirements:  a pair of
drives in RAID-0 serves to punch up the bandwidth to 200+ MB/s,
which isn't pragmatically possible on a single platter drive today,
and while it could be done on a single SSD, I don't think that there's
all that many of them out there with 4TB SSDs yet in a single 3.5"
form factor package, particularly at a competitive price point vs
the current capability as a benchmark. 


-hh

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#289612 — IO operations per second.

FromJeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date2015-04-13 22:12 -0700
SubjectIO operations per second.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13{10.12P.Seattle.2015}>
In reply to#289562
<PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A !important;'><big><big> 
Hugh·Huntzinger,  If you tried to give me an expensive laptop,
I'd refuse it.  If you gave it to me anyway, I'd pass it on
to one of my housemates, like used clothes, I wouldn't sell it.

Laptop power supplies suck balls, for one thing.
The monitor&amp;keyboard would be useless to me, a tragic waste.

  My $120, 500-Watt fanless power supply:
  newEgg.COM/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182169

MiniMacs/PCs are WAY underpowered;
they can't run my 4k monitor, much less 4k videos.
And they don't have the connectors that I need.

Again, "Mobility" means NOTHING to me.

> I don't think that there's [better] 4TB SSDs yet,
> in a single 3.5" form factor package, 
> particularly at a competitive price point
> vs [my] current capability as a benchmark. 

My 3 year old SSD has the fastest controller, 
giving me the most IO operations per second,
and the 1 TeraByte "Crucial M550" uses the same controller;
see:

  AnandTech.COM/show/7864/crucial-m550-review-128gb-256gb-512gb-and-1tb-models-tested

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#289634 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-14 08:57 -0400
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<mgj2pj$328$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#289562
On 2015-04-13 8:45 PM, -hh wrote:
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> I don't know why you guys... think desktops are for "twitch" gamers ONLY.
>
> Because they're not and its not what is being said.
>
> Granted, the big GPU card of a desktop is what is pretty commonly found
> as desired for high rez / high frame rate games, but that's not the only
> use case for desktops at all.

An Intel HD 4600 or 4000 is more than enough if you're not going to be 
playing games and that is what people will find in the majority of 
laptops. As such, a laptop is just the right workhorse for many tasks 
including those done by a GPU.

>> As a programmer, I spend long hours at the keyboard.
>>
>> So I want the very best keyboard, the very best mouse,
>> the best headset, the best monitor, a monitor arm, etc.
>
> Nothing of which has to do with the specification requirements
> of the PC that's driving that stuff, and laptops have progressed
> o have enough 'horsepower' to satisfy those needs, so they
> can't be totally ignored out of hand.

Exactly. The biggest obstacles in building a decent laptop were the 
cooling (which has improved tremendously) and the hard disk (which 
tended to be slower on a mobile PC). However, laptops now use the same 
kind of SSD as what desktop users would have. The processors are still 
not as powerful, but you're looking at a 10 to 20% penalty at most.

< snip>

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#289666 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2015-04-14 08:33 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<1cbc8232-6963-48bf-951d-d39f2f7fe1f0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#289634
Slimer wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > 
> > Granted, the big GPU card of a desktop...
>
> An Intel HD 4600 or 4000 is more than enough 
> if you're not going to be playing games and that 
> is what people will find in the majority of 
> laptops. As such, a laptop is just the right 
> workhorse for many tasks including those done
> by a GPU.

Its a testament to how far the tech has advanced.
I even took a look at the Mac mini and it is actually
capable of driving a 4K display ... although at
"only" 30fps:  adquate for cinema (24fps) as well
as photography applications (still not video), even
though its is short of what gamers typically like.
In any case, the use case of a high rez screen to
do text-based coding on is akin to static photography,
so the mini would be an adequate solution, as well
as many equivalent laptops.  


> >> As a programmer, ...
> >
> > Nothing of which has to do with the specification requirements
> > of the PC that's driving that stuff, and laptops have progressed
> > o have enough 'horsepower' to satisfy those needs, so they
> > can't be totally ignored out of hand.
> 
> Exactly. The biggest obstacles in building a decent laptop were the 
> cooling (which has improved tremendously) and the hard disk (which 
> tended to be slower on a mobile PC). However, laptops now use the same 
> kind of SSD as what desktop users would have. The processors are still 
> not as powerful, but you're looking at a 10 to 20% penalty at most.

Which is what I pointed out several posts back in that the main
areas of a performance hit concern for a classical programmer
would be after they've updated their code and shifting to runtime 
work, such as a real time interpreter, a classical compile, etc.  


-hh

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#289680 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-14 12:18 -0400
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<mgjejn$hfk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#289666
On 2015-04-14 11:33 AM, -hh wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Granted, the big GPU card of a desktop...
>>
>> An Intel HD 4600 or 4000 is more than enough
>> if you're not going to be playing games and that
>> is what people will find in the majority of
>> laptops. As such, a laptop is just the right
>> workhorse for many tasks including those done
>> by a GPU.
>
> Its a testament to how far the tech has advanced.
> I even took a look at the Mac mini and it is actually
> capable of driving a 4K display ... although at
> "only" 30fps:  adquate for cinema (24fps) as well
> as photography applications (still not video), even
> though its is short of what gamers typically like.
> In any case, the use case of a high rez screen to
> do text-based coding on is akin to static photography,
> so the mini would be an adequate solution, as well
> as many equivalent laptops.

The Mac Mini's inability to drive 60fps might not be a testament to its 
power as much as a hardware limitation of the DisplayPort version that 
it has. If I'm not mistaken, you need version 1.4 of the spec and I 
believe that it only uses 1.2.

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#289719 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2015-04-14 11:15 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<d4d78c53-cf4e-4ba6-afcf-60144a90b477@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#289680
Slimer wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > 
> > Its a testament to how far the tech has advanced.
> > I even took a look at the Mac mini and it is actually
> > capable of driving a 4K display ... although at
> > "only" 30fps:  adquate for ...
> 
> The Mac Mini's inability to drive 60fps might not be
> a testament to its power as much as a hardware limitation
> of the DisplayPort version that it has. If I'm not 
> mistaken, you need version 1.4 of the spec and I 
> believe that it only uses 1.2.

"Update: Lack of 60Hz 4K support on the 2014 Mini is 
actually an Intel GPU limitation, not a DisplayPort 
limitation. This document{hyperlink} outlines the 
resolutions and refresh rates supported by various 
Intel GPUs."

<http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/11/not-the-upgrade-we-were-hoping-for-the-2014-mac-mini-reviewed/>

And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks
like you can get a non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini 
with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for ~$900.  How
that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't 
really know (their websites are a mess).


-hh

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#289756 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-14 18:23 -0400
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#289719
On 2015-04-14 2:15 PM, -hh wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Its a testament to how far the tech has advanced.
>>> I even took a look at the Mac mini and it is actually
>>> capable of driving a 4K display ... although at
>>> "only" 30fps:  adquate for ...
>>
>> The Mac Mini's inability to drive 60fps might not be
>> a testament to its power as much as a hardware limitation
>> of the DisplayPort version that it has. If I'm not
>> mistaken, you need version 1.4 of the spec and I
>> believe that it only uses 1.2.
>
> "Update: Lack of 60Hz 4K support on the 2014 Mini is
> actually an Intel GPU limitation, not a DisplayPort
> limitation. This document{hyperlink} outlines the
> resolutions and refresh rates supported by various
> Intel GPUs."
>
> <http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/11/not-the-upgrade-we-were-hoping-for-the-2014-mac-mini-reviewed/>
>
> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks
> like you can get a non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini
> with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for ~$900.  How
> that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't
> really know (their websites are a mess).

Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac 
Mini. The Linux losers are more than correct in stating that as far as 
hardware goes, it's a rip-off at its current price level. It doesn't 
need to play every game on the market, but a mid-range mobile GPU would 
be a lot better than some shitty on-CPU solution like an Intel HD. A 
separate chip might be able to support the 4k resolutions that some Mac 
Mini users will crave.


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#289759 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-04-14 15:27 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<D152E248.4A2E2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#289756
On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
>> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for
>> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really know
>> (their websites are a mess).
>> 
> Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac Mini.

Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it and
give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the Carroll's
out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )

> The 
> Linux losers are more than correct in stating that as far as hardware goes,
> it's a rip-off at its current price level. It doesn't need to play every game
> on the market, but a mid-range mobile GPU would be a lot better than some
> shitty on-CPU solution like an Intel HD. A separate chip might be able to
> support the 4k resolutions that some Mac Mini users will crave.



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#290306 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-16 20:47 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<1dc86a63-45a5-4ed3-a7cb-effdfa07a7db@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#289759
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:27:10 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
> On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> 
> >> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
> >> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for
> >> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really know
> >> (their websites are a mess).
> >> 
> > Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac Mini.
> 
> Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it and
> give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the Carroll's
> out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )

Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have proof you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press charges against you I have to also include her so you remain safe for now.

Do not think this is over.

> > The 
> > Linux losers are more than correct in stating that as far as hardware goes,
> > it's a rip-off at its current price level. It doesn't need to play every game
> > on the market, but a mid-range mobile GPU would be a lot better than some
> > shitty on-CPU solution like an Intel HD. A separate chip might be able to
> > support the 4k resolutions that some Mac Mini users will crave.
> 
> 
> 
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#290317 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-16 21:00 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<c34c8735-43d9-4db7-b1ce-fc32e55fb2e5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#290306
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:47:52 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:27:10 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
> > On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> > <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> > 
> > >> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
> > >> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for
> > >> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really know
> > >> (their websites are a mess).
> > >> 
> > > Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac Mini.
> > 
> > Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it and
> > give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the Carroll's
> > out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )
> 
> Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have proof you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press charges against you I have to also include her so you remain safe for now.
> 
> Do not think this is over.

Having fun, 'fretwizzen' ?

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#290320 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-04-17 00:10 -0400
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<mgq11p$8v4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#290317
On 4/17/2015 12:00 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:47:52 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:27:10 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
>>>>> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for
>>>>> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really know
>>>>> (their websites are a mess).
>>>>>
>>>> Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac Mini.
>>>
>>> Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it and
>>> give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the Carroll's
>>> out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )
>>
>> Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have proof you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press charges against you I have to also include her so you remain safe for now.
>>
>> Do not think this is over.
>
> Having fun, 'fretwizzen' ?


Who is that failure at life?

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#290323 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-04-16 21:18 -0700
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<D155D79E.4A5D5%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#290320
On 4/16/15, 9:10 PM, in article mgq11p$8v4$1@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 4/17/2015 12:00 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:47:52 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:27:10 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
>>>>>> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB SSD for
>>>>>> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really know
>>>>>> (their websites are a mess).
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac Mini.
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it and
>>>> give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the Carroll's
>>>> out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )
>>> 
>>> Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have proof you
>>> and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press charges against you
>>> I have to also include her so you remain safe for now.
>>> 
>>> Do not think this is over.
>> 
>> Having fun, 'fretwizzen' ?
> 
> 
> Who is that failure at life?
> 
> 
If you work hard at it you can fail as badly as Carroll has.

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#290444 — Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-17 11:57 -0600
SubjectRe: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop.
Message-ID<Da2dnb5Z5L3j1KzInZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#290317
Steve Carroll wrote:

> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:47:52 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:27:10 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
>> > On 4/14/15, 3:23 PM, in article mgk401$a42$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>> > <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> > 
>> > >> And in looking at the Apple Store today, it looks like you can get a
>> > >> non-bottom-of-the-barrel Mac mini with 8GB RAM, i5 CPU, and 256GB
>> > >> SSD for
>> > >> ~$900.  How that compares to an equivalent Dell/HP/..., don't really
>> > >> know (their websites are a mess).
>> > >> 
>> > > Apple needs to start considering packing a decent GPU into their Mac
>> > > Mini.
>> > 
>> > Agreed. My kids have one and it works well but Apple should focus on it
>> > and give it some updates (not my kids', the ones they sell... for the
>> > Carroll's out there who cannot figure out what I meant. :) )
>> 
>> Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have proof
>> you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press charges
>> against you I have to also include her so you remain safe for now.
>> 
>> Do not think this is over.
> 
> Having fun, 'fretwizzen' ?

Sounds like he's really hitting the new shipment of glue.
I wonder if the DNC shipped it to him in thanks for his support?

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#289690 — Today, the Mac Mini is a REAL desktop PC.

FromJeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date2015-04-14 09:56 -0700
SubjectToday, the Mac Mini is a REAL desktop PC.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14{9.56A.Seattle.2015}>
In reply to#289666
<PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A !important;'><big><big> 
Today, the Mac Mini is a REAL desktop PC;
it has a REAL power supply ( instead of a wall wart )
and I can plug in my 4k IPS DisplayPort monitor into it.

$2,500 gets you a Mac Mini with:

  3 GigaHz dual-core Intel Core i7 
  ( Turbo Boost up to 3.5 GigaHz ) 
  with 4MB on-chip shared L3 cache.

My i7-4790S has 8 virtual cores, 4 physical cores,
8 MegaBytes of L3 cache, and 4 GigaHz Max.

My PC is Micro ATX, so it's not large.

  ASUS GRYPHON Z97, LGA 1150, Intel Z97, DisplayPort, HDMI,
  SATA 3 (6 Gb/s), USB 3 (5 Gb/s),  Micro ATX,  Intel Motherboard 
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132133

And my SSD has the highest IO operations per second,
87,298 IOPS; i.e. it has the fastest controller.
No degradation after 2.5 years of use.  Five year warrenty.

So my PC ( sans monitor, mouse, headset, and all that )
is worth more than $2,500.

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