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AMD/AMD

Started byMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
First post2018-10-27 17:31 +0000
Last post2018-11-05 05:31 -0800
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  AMD/AMD Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 17:31 +0000
    Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 10:46 -0700
      Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 12:51 -0700
    A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 11:30 -0700
      Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 11:48 -0700
      Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-27 19:33 -0400
        Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 17:01 -0700
        I'd say that the Meathead probably got magnesia and forgot where his mouth was. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:10 -0700
          Re: I'd say that the Meathead probably got magnesia and forgot where his mouth was. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:35 -0700
        Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-28 01:22 +0000
          Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:50 -0700
            Re: A shadow of false causation and projected praise at the wrong time. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 09:03 -0700
    Re: AMD/AMD SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 16:12 -0400
      Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 13:38 -0700
      Re: AMD/AMD Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 21:52 +0000
        Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 15:13 -0700
        Re: AMD/AMD SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 20:27 -0400
        Re: AMD/AMD chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 08:12 -0500
          Re: AMD/AMD DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-31 09:33 -0400
            Re: AMD/AMD SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-31 12:28 -0400
              Re: AMD/AMD chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 12:22 -0500
                Re: AMD/AMD DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-02 13:38 -0400
                  Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 11:06 -0700
              Re: AMD/AMD Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 12:08 +0100
                Re: AMD/AMD Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2018-11-02 12:52 +0100
                  Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 05:36 -0700
                    Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 07:27 -0700
                  Re: AMD/AMD Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-11-03 16:11 -0400
                Re: AMD/AMD SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-02 11:29 -0400
                  Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 08:45 -0700
                  Re: AMD/AMD chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-02 10:53 -0500
            Re: AMD/AMD Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 12:07 +0100
              Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 04:49 -0700
              Re: AMD/AMD chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-02 07:07 -0500
              Re: AMD/AMD DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-02 14:01 -0400
                Re: AMD/AMD Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 10:00 +0100
                  Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 03:16 -0700
                  Re: AMD/AMD chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 07:06 -0600
                    Re: AMD/AMD Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 05:31 -0800

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#474534

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-31 12:22 -0500
Message-ID<fiojtdd7as4hc7v0h8lto849nnvklhhpi1@4ax.com>
In reply to#474521
> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> If AMD would
>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
>> 
>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt 
>> interference.  

Anti-trust laws are "govt interference", to sneering corporate
apologists like DumFSck.

Is *anyone* here so naive to believe that dirty-dealing by
much-larger, and wealthier competitors, cannot beat "competitive
products" out of the market?

Asshole.

>> And they have.

Barely.  And how much business were they cheated out of?  How many
consumers were hurt by higher prices and reduced choice, caused by the
the unfair restriction of competition?

Asshole.

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#474846

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-02 13:38 -0400
Message-ID<2X%CD.941561$Vl2.478617@fx46.iad>
In reply to#474534
On 10/31/2018 1:22 PM, shit("snipped, ran")v wrote:

>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If AMD would
>>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
>>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
>>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
>>>
>>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt
>>> interference.
> 
> Anti-trust laws are "govt interference", to sneering corporate
> apologists like DumFSck.

You've said over and over and over that "the market knows best".  So why 
are you in favor of govt interference in the market?




> Is *anyone* here so naive to believe that dirty-dealing by
> much-larger, and wealthier competitors, cannot beat "competitive
> products" out of the market?
> 
> Asshole.

No competitive AMD products ever were 'beaten' out of the market.



>>> And they have.
> 
> Barely.  And how much business were they cheated out of?  

10% to 40% market share is far more than "barely succeeding".

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_July-2018.png


> How many
> consumers were hurt by higher prices and reduced choice, caused by the
> the unfair restriction of competition?
> 
> Asshole.

There was no reduced choice.  If you wanted an AMD chip they were always 
easy to find - if not in the stores, then online.  It's beyond 
ridiculous for govts to force OEMs to build and market <whatever vendor 
of whatever component> systems.

And I showed you the analysis (by a Ph.D. in Economics) that concluded 
in the absence of Intel's "monopoly" position, consumer costs were 
projected to fall by 1.5%. That's one point five percent.  Truly a BFD.




I noticed you snipped and ran from the evidence of AMD bribery, and the 
question about your personal greed.

Let's try again:

1) You whined about Intel bribery, but:

"In its original antitrust filing, AMD noted that it tried to give HP a 
million free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so 
dependent on Intel rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them."

Does a million free processors sound like AMD bribery to you?



2) You whined about the greed in the world, but when I asked if you ever 
negotiated a salary/compensation offer, you snipped and ran.

Why did you snip and run?

I know why - because you're a greedy hypocrite who tried to extract more 
money from a prospective employer.  In your bizarro mind it's not OK 
when Intel or MS charge more than you think they should, but it's fine 
for you to demand more money than you're offered.

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#474852

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 11:06 -0700
Message-ID<86c82de0-a99d-42d9-8b2c-8d35d16fc6d4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474846
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 10:37:05 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 10/31/2018 1:22 PM, shit("snipped, ran")v wrote:
> 
> >> some dumb fsck wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> chrisv wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If AMD would
> >>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
> >>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
> >>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
> >>>
> >>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt
> >>> interference.
> > 
> > Anti-trust laws are "govt interference", to sneering corporate
> > apologists like DumFSck.
> 
> You've said over and over and over that "the market knows best".  So why 
> are you in favor of govt interference in the market?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Is *anyone* here so naive to believe that dirty-dealing by
> > much-larger, and wealthier competitors, cannot beat "competitive
> > products" out of the market?
> > 
> > Asshole.
> 
> No competitive AMD products ever were 'beaten' out of the market.
> 
> 
> 
> >>> And they have.
> > 
> > Barely.  And how much business were they cheated out of?  
> 
> 10% to 40% market share is far more than "barely succeeding".
> 
> https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_July-2018.png
> 
> 
> > How many
> > consumers were hurt by higher prices and reduced choice, caused by the
> > the unfair restriction of competition?
> > 
> > Asshole.
> 
> There was no reduced choice.  If you wanted an AMD chip they were always 
> easy to find - if not in the stores, then online.  It's beyond 
> ridiculous for govts to force OEMs to build and market <whatever vendor 
> of whatever component> systems.
> 
> And I showed you the analysis (by a Ph.D. in Economics) that concluded 
> in the absence of Intel's "monopoly" position, consumer costs were 
> projected to fall by 1.5%. That's one point five percent.  Truly a BFD.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I noticed you snipped and ran from the evidence of AMD bribery, and the 
> question about your personal greed.
> 
> Let's try again:
> 
> 1) You whined about Intel bribery, but:
> 
> "In its original antitrust filing, AMD noted that it tried to give HP a 
> million free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so 
> dependent on Intel rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them."
> 
> Does a million free processors sound like AMD bribery to you?
> 
> 
> 
> 2) You whined about the greed in the world, but when I asked if you ever 
> negotiated a salary/compensation offer, you snipped and ran.
> 
> Why did you snip and run?
> 
> I know why - because you're a greedy hypocrite who tried to extract more 
> money from a prospective employer.  In your bizarro mind it's not OK 
> when Intel or MS charge more than you think they should, but it's fine 
> for you to demand more money than you're offered.



Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll's obsession with Jonas Eklundh Communication AB started in 2004 when Carroll got mad about his then girlfriend obsessing over Jonas Eklundh Communication AB (heavily documented here: <http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot>). Jonas Eklundh Communication AB continued to respond to Steve for about 5 years, when Steve flipped out in 2009 and started contacting Jonas Eklundh Communication AB's employer with the stated goal to have him fired (he spoke of doing so even if he had to twist arms):

    <http://goo.gl/OHNryA> 
    <http://goo.gl/MZ6yCD>
    <http://goo.gl/WaKKGq>

There were more, but Carroll has had them deleted from the Google archive. I have not spent the time to find them elsewhere (and likely will not).
    
With that Jonas Eklundh Communication AB stopped responding directly to Steve except for *one* chance he gave him in 2011 when Steve was accusing *Jonas Eklundh Communication AB* of running: <http://goo.gl/racU64>.

Carroll, as predicted, ran (he always does when faced with facts):
<http://goo.gl/qHs5Xh>

Steven Petruzzellis knows he has no backing for any of his nonsense and has become, if anything, more and more obsessive since Jonas Eklundh Communication AB stopped responding to him.

Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is truly a very, very sick man.

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#474798

FromHadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 12:08 +0100
Message-ID<87k1lv4u0a.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#474521
SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:

> On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>>> If AMD would
>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
>>
>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt interference. 
>> And they have.
>>
>> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance value and to
>> spread the money around a bit.
>
> Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel was indeed
> behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes sense that
> people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics are
> all that

Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.

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#474803

FromMel <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-11-02 12:52 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.6302132724634640975@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#474798
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:08:05 +0100, Hadron Quark 
<hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:


> > On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
> >
> > < snip >
> >
> >>> If AMD would
> >>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, 
like
> >>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they 
should have
> >>> done, and that's way they "failed".
> >>
> >> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt 
interference. 
> >> And they have.
> >>
> >> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance 
value and to
> >> spread the money around a bit.
> >
> > Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel 
was indeed
> > behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes 
sense that
> > people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics 
are
> > all that


> Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.

Are you quark or quack? :)

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#474810

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 05:36 -0700
Message-ID<e4f7f8f5-82e6-423f-a3ce-da63e36b93ac@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474803
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 4:52:36 AM UTC-7, Mel wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:08:05 +0100, Hadron Quark 
> <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> > SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:
> 
> 
> > > On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
> > >
> > > < snip >
> > >
> > >>> If AMD would
> > >>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, 
> like
> > >>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they 
> should have
> > >>> done, and that's way they "failed".
> > >>
> > >> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt 
> interference. 
> > >> And they have.
> > >>
> > >> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance 
> value and to
> > >> spread the money around a bit.
> > >
> > > Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel 
> was indeed
> > > behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes 
> sense that
> > > people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics 
> are
> > > all that
> 
> 
> > Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.
> 
> Are you quark or quack? :)
> 
> -- 
> Press any key to continue or any other to quit



I think it is already over. 

Anyone familiar with Klaus Schadenfreude's posts knows the flood bot is not written in the way Jonas Eklundh is suggesting, and many of them are clearly hand written. 

I remain unconvinced that these nonstop posts are automated. 

Heck, just recently he was declaring himself the only "true Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in satire-quotes) are trying to make Linux become like the Mac. 

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#474821

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 07:27 -0700
Message-ID<b938a3e4-968f-49d2-beb9-3030ed487093@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474810
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:36:43 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 4:52:36 AM UTC-7, Mel wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:08:05 +0100, Hadron Quark 
> > <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > > On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > < snip >
> > > >
> > > >>> If AMD would
> > > >>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, 
> > like
> > > >>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they 
> > should have
> > > >>> done, and that's way they "failed".
> > > >>
> > > >> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt 
> > interference. 
> > > >> And they have.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance 
> > value and to
> > > >> spread the money around a bit.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel 
> > was indeed
> > > > behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes 
> > sense that
> > > > people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics 
> > are
> > > > all that
> > 
> > 
> > > Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.
> > 
> > Are you quark or quack? :)
> > 
> > -- 
> > Press any key to continue or any other to quit
> 
> 
> 
> I think it is already over. 
> 
> Anyone familiar with Klaus Schadenfreude's posts knows the flood bot is not written in the way Jonas Eklundh is suggesting, and many of them are clearly hand written. 
> 
> I remain unconvinced that these nonstop posts are automated. 
> 
> Heck, just recently he was declaring himself the only "true Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in satire-quotes) are trying to make Linux become like the Mac. 
> 
> --
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> http://www.5z8.info/horse-slaughter_w8c4en_launchexe
> Jonas Eklundh Communication



And in reply you have nothing but an attempt to start more flooding. With all the bragging Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh has done on this topic, the 'Accessibility Specialist' doesn't know how to do this. It literally takes a couple seconds to highlight a sentence and 'translate' it. 

Can you stop begging for my attention? Just rubbish from Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh. But Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh has thoroughly left tech behind and is holding me culpable for the exploits of himself. 

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#475075

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2018-11-03 16:11 -0400
Message-ID<prl0lg$g9f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#474803
Mel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:08:05 +0100, Hadron Quark 
>
>> Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.
>
> Are you quark or quack? :)

Quack.  Queeg would do as well.  (See the "Caine Mutiny" book.)

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#474825

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-11-02 11:29 -0400
Message-ID<D3_CD.506766$Ac3.179689@fx45.iad>
In reply to#474798
On 2018-11-02 7:08 a.m., Hadron Quark wrote:
> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:
> 
>> On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> If AMD would
>>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
>>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
>>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
>>>
>>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt interference.
>>> And they have.
>>>
>>> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance value and to
>>> spread the money around a bit.
>>
>> Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel was indeed
>> behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes sense that
>> people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics are
>> all that
> 
> Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.

Are you referring to the offer of a million processors free of charge? 
I'm not entirely sure I would see it as a bribe as much as I would a 
desperate attempt to counter what appeared to be a monopoly. For as long 
as I can remember, Intel essentially controlled the market for pre-built 
computers. Even companies like Dell who were interested in offering AMD 
machines were eventually "convinced" to limit themselves to offerings 
from Intel alone. You'd have to assume that AMD was aware of something 
very unethical going on that they were incapable of solving through 
legal means which resulted in them wanting to find another way around 
it. Of course. it all depends on _when_ AMD attempted this bribe.


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#474831

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 08:45 -0700
Message-ID<46515251-6af3-4f10-8a83-658d32e652f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474825
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 8:29:42 AM UTC-7, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-11-02 7:08 a.m., Hadron Quark wrote:
> > SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> writes:
> > 
> >> On 2018-10-31 9:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
> >>
> >> < snip >
> >>
> >>>> If AMD would
> >>>> have exited the market, there would have been vile bastards, like
> >>>> "Hadron" and "DFS", sneering that AMD didn't do what they should have
> >>>> done, and that's way they "failed".
> >>>
> >>> If their products are competitive they'll succeed without govt interference.
> >>> And they have.
> >>>
> >>> I'll probably buy an AMD chip next time, for the performance value and to
> >>> spread the money around a bit.
> >>
> >> Well, the PDF you provided to chrisv actually showed that Intel was indeed
> >> behaving unfairly toward the competition. As such, it just makes sense that
> >> people choose AMD, for ethical reasons if nothing else, if ethics are
> >> all that
> > 
> > Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.
> 
> Are you referring to the offer of a million processors free of charge? 
> I'm not entirely sure I would see it as a bribe as much as I would a 
> desperate attempt to counter what appeared to be a monopoly. For as long 
> as I can remember, Intel essentially controlled the market for pre-built 
> computers. Even companies like Dell who were interested in offering AMD 
> machines were eventually "convinced" to limit themselves to offerings 
> from Intel alone. You'd have to assume that AMD was aware of something 
> very unethical going on that they were incapable of solving through 
> legal means which resulted in them wanting to find another way around 
> it. Of course. it all depends on _when_ AMD attempted this bribe.
> 
> 
> -- 
> SilverSlimer



Seriously, those of you who troll are not able to control Linux anymore. 

Jonas Eklundh Communication doesn't have any concept of what he is blubbering about. 

Your system will crawl while this takes place. Now Snit (a real advocate) on the other end of the phone doesn't matter. All that matters is Jonas Eklundh Communication gets to deliver the punchline. So how to beat Jonas Eklundh Communication at his own game? Don't reply to the post. Reason isn't part of stratagem and never has been. Other than Jonas Eklundh Communication, who doesn't know what I'm doing? These losers get their enjoyment out of drawing out angry responses to their nonsense, which is the very definition of a troll. 

I think the person you are replying to is in my shit list. Total drivel by an uneducated, fabricating, scheming, tag-teaming lummox who could not be sincere even if he swore on his mother's grave. 



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#474833

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-02 10:53 -0500
Message-ID<3gsotd9gjq3i9aifkbh0jcf22ev3jo70gi@4ax.com>
In reply to#474825
SilverSlimer wrote:

> Hadron Quark wrote:
>> 
>> Unlike you to be so stupid. AMD are equally unethical.
>
> Are you referring to the offer of a million processors free of charge? 

What's amazing is that the Quack wintroll never-once admitted that
anything that the Micro$oft Corp did was unethical, the lying sack of
shit that he is.

-- 
Advocate: You know damned well how microsoft abused their position.

Hadron Quack's response: Actually I do not.

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#474797

FromHadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 12:07 +0100
Message-ID<87o9b74u1a.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#474497
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

> On 10/29/2018 9:12 AM, shit("participation ribbons for all!")v wrote:
>
>
>> We should all be thankful that AMD hung in there, as an alternative.
>> Intel came close to killing them, with their advantages in size and
>> money, and their willingness to use dirty deeds (such as bribing Dell
>> to keep them from using AMD).
>
>
> "In its original antitrust filing, AMD noted that it tried to give HP a million
> free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so dependent on Intel
> rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them."
>
>
> That sounds like AMD bribery to me.  What does it sound like to you, sniveling
> rodent?
>
>
>
>> It's just amazing, the greed in this world.
>
> Sounds like you never once negotiated a salary/compensation offer.  Is that what
> I'm reading?
>


The turd probably gets pocket money from his Mom still in the same
was Creepy gets handed out enough to live on by his dominant wife.

DFS, a favour?

Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
know... *chuckle*.


-- 
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#474802

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 04:49 -0700
Message-ID<91184aa4-0cbe-428a-8492-05001f5e9c20@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474797
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 4:07:31 AM UTC-7, Hadron Quark wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
> 
> > On 10/29/2018 9:12 AM, shit("participation ribbons for all!")v wrote:
> >
> >
> >> We should all be thankful that AMD hung in there, as an alternative.
> >> Intel came close to killing them, with their advantages in size and
> >> money, and their willingness to use dirty deeds (such as bribing Dell
> >> to keep them from using AMD).
> >
> >
> > "In its original antitrust filing, AMD noted that it tried to give HP a million
> > free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so dependent on Intel
> > rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them."
> >
> >
> > That sounds like AMD bribery to me.  What does it sound like to you, sniveling
> > rodent?
> >
> >
> >
> >> It's just amazing, the greed in this world.
> >
> > Sounds like you never once negotiated a salary/compensation offer.  Is that what
> > I'm reading?
> >
> 
> 
> The turd probably gets pocket money from his Mom still in the same
> was Creepy gets handed out enough to live on by his dominant wife.
> 
> DFS, a favour?
> 
> Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
> used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
> laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
> things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
> know... *chuckle*.
> 
> 
> -- 
> chrisv alias turdv is a turd



There is no question that all of them are not automated because some of them tap into what Klaus Schadenfreude said in very specific ways with clear thought behind them, so not from a computer auto-generator. Meaning someone is hand writing many of these. 

Virtually everything chrisv says about anyone else is dishonest as everyone knows. My uptime is almost forty-two days and I will now be called a liar by chrisv. 

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#474807

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-02 07:07 -0500
Message-ID<23fotd5u0b2tpidt3ogfn84m1l26s8lqrp@4ax.com>
In reply to#474797
Hadron Quark wrote:

>The turd probably gets pocket money from his Mom still in the same
>was Creepy gets handed out enough to live on by his dominant wife.
>
>DFS, a favour?
>
>Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
>used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
>laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
>things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
>know... *chuckle*.

FFS, you are one weird mofo, "Hadron".  Truly bizarre.

-- 
"turdv is adamant that negative feedback (...) isn't there to help
stabilise a system."  -  "Hadron", putting his ignorance on dispaly

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#474851

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-02 14:01 -0400
Message-ID<di0DD.497920$SN2.474122@fx38.iad>
In reply to#474797
On 11/2/2018 7:07 AM, Hadron Quark wrote:

> DFS, a favour?
> 
> Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
> used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
> laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
> things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
> know... *chuckle*.


turdv's idiotic statement has been quoted in here dozens if not hundreds 
of times since he spewed it Aug 15 2009.

<pski85d07km9utd1bsvlhlalrdsjc84kor@4ax.com>


Flatfish said:

<quote>
Negative feedback is added into the amplifier circuitry in order
to maintain stability.
Too much and you will hear it.
Not enough and the amp will go unstable.
</quote>



shitv's famously incorrect response:

<quote>
Wrong, idiot.
Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is
not one of them.  Just the opposite, in fact.  The more negative
feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.
</quote>


The lamer has been doubling down on his idiocy for 9 straight years, 
even though the gibbering whiner has been shown to be wrong by EVERY 
cite available.

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#474968

FromHadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-03 10:00 +0100
Message-ID<87o9b6cz7u.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#474851
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

> On 11/2/2018 7:07 AM, Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> DFS, a favour?
>>
>> Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
>> used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
>> laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
>> things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
>> know... *chuckle*.
>
>
> turdv's idiotic statement has been quoted in here dozens if not hundreds of
> times since he spewed it Aug 15 2009.

Excellent. *levers off popcorn lid*.


>
> <pski85d07km9utd1bsvlhlalrdsjc84kor@4ax.com>
>
>
> Flatfish said:
>
> <quote>
> Negative feedback is added into the amplifier circuitry in order
> to maintain stability.
> Too much and you will hear it.
> Not enough and the amp will go unstable.
> </quote>

I miss FF. Where is she? On tour?

>
>
>
> shitv's famously incorrect response:
>
> <quote>
> Wrong, idiot.
> Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is
> not one of them.  Just the opposite, in fact.  The more negative
> feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.
> </quote>

*chuckle* . "Just the opposite in fact". Ironically this is a form of
 positive feedback causing turd's "reputation" to be rattled even more.

"Just the opposite in fact" : hahahaha. The smug ignorance of the turd
is glorious to see in all it's turdlike glory.
 

>
>
> The lamer has been doubling down on his idiocy for 9 straight years, even though
> the gibbering whiner has been shown to be wrong by EVERY cite available.
>

I can't recall turd being right about anything. He really is a turd.

-- 
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#474978

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-03 03:16 -0700
Message-ID<41c0b37a-c4bc-4b64-a270-678136a55d95@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474968
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:00:42 AM UTC-7, Hadron Quark wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
> 
> > On 11/2/2018 7:07 AM, Hadron Quark wrote:
> >
> >> DFS, a favour?
> >>
> >> Could you do a post of turd's assertions that Negative Feedback isn't
> >> used in control systems as a method of stabilisation? I need a good
> >> laugh. And nothing tickles me more than the turd's ignorant rants about
> >> things he knows nothing about. He has a degree in EE you
> >> know... *chuckle*.
> >
> >
> > turdv's idiotic statement has been quoted in here dozens if not hundreds of
> > times since he spewed it Aug 15 2009.
> 
> Excellent. *levers off popcorn lid*.
> 
> 
> >
> > <pski85d07km9utd1bsvlhlalrdsjc84kor@4ax.com>
> >
> >
> > Flatfish said:
> >
> > <quote>
> > Negative feedback is added into the amplifier circuitry in order
> > to maintain stability.
> > Too much and you will hear it.
> > Not enough and the amp will go unstable.
> > </quote>
> 
> I miss FF. Where is she? On tour?
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > shitv's famously incorrect response:
> >
> > <quote>
> > Wrong, idiot.
> > Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is
> > not one of them.  Just the opposite, in fact.  The more negative
> > feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.
> > </quote>
> 
> *chuckle* . "Just the opposite in fact". Ironically this is a form of
>  positive feedback causing turd's "reputation" to be rattled even more.
> 
> "Just the opposite in fact" : hahahaha. The smug ignorance of the turd
> is glorious to see in all it's turdlike glory.
>  
> 
> >
> >
> > The lamer has been doubling down on his idiocy for 9 straight years, even though
> > the gibbering whiner has been shown to be wrong by EVERY cite available.
> >
> 
> I can't recall turd being right about anything. He really is a turd.
> 
> -- 
> chrisv alias turdv is a turd



Don't look now, but I think DFS has a serious mancrush on Klaus Schadenfreude. 

DFS suffers from senile lies so, to him, everything, even treating him as he treats others, are "abuses". Who *doesn't* know this? 

It's his problem and he has to want to deal with it. Obviously he would rather blame others than face reality. 



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#475331

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-05 07:06 -0600
Message-ID<7kf0ud1s7tgaqnudse7e87as2j20db2je3@4ax.com>
In reply to#474968
Hadron Quark wrote:

> (sniped, unread)

*plonk*

Have fun in my bozo bin with your shitty pal "DFS", "Hadron".

Everything that can be said, about you two, has already been said.
You both *enjoy* being absolute shit.

When you look in the mirror, do you like what you see?

-- 
'Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is
not one of them.  Just the opposite, in fact.  The more negative
feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.'  -
chrisv, BSEE, 100% correct

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#475337

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-05 05:31 -0800
Message-ID<076a8a8a-1083-429a-8de7-43bb0879ed5e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#475331
On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:06:56 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> Hadron Quark wrote:
> 
> > (sniped, unread)
> 
> *plonk*
> 
> Have fun in my bozo bin with your shitty pal "DFS", "Hadron".
> 
> Everything that can be said, about you two, has already been said.
> You both *enjoy* being absolute shit.
> 
> When you look in the mirror, do you like what you see?
> 
> -- 
> 'Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is
> not one of them.  Just the opposite, in fact.  The more negative
> feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.'  -
> chrisv, BSEE, 100% correct



  Jonas Eklundh:
    -----
    I would love to see the group become that! I would love to see
    people, for example, pick tasks they do with Desktop Linux which
    they believe are handled better than the competition. I have
    encouraged that for a long time. But so far few if any such tasks
    have been shown.
    -----

  Marek Novotny:
    -----
    Linux is a Server, A Cloud, A service, A mobile Platform, A
    developers dream come true, A super cluster, a Main frame and a
    DESKTOP. It's not JUST a desktop. You're a two-bit bullshit coward
    who refuses to face what Linux actually is. It's too much for you,
    obviously. 
    -----

  Jonas Eklundh (referencing to the above quote):
    ----
    But it is not all of those things. Not even close. It is USED by
    those things but it is NOT those things.
    -----

  Marek Novotny (some time later):
    -----
    Android isn't Linux. Android makes "use" of the Linux kernel.
    Android is indeed open source, but it is not community driven open
    source. Those that know the difference likely won't cry over Android
    ditching the Linux kernel and adopting their own kernel. It simply
    never mattered for all the reasons I stated above. Now the fact that
    I have to articulate this in writing so these clueless tards like
    DFS and Jonas Eklundh can gain some insights because they LACK their
    own insights is what I find troubling. They both have no business
    arguing in here. They are simply too stupid to have a conversation
    about that which they just don't fundamentally understand in the
    first place.
    -----
    
Notice Marek uses the concepts I taught him (about how Linux is "USED" by the things he listed) then fantasizes about how I did not know the information HE got wrong and I corrected him with (and did so with no name calling or insults).

  Chris Ahlstrom:
    -----
    I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I and if that wasn't enough, I,I,I,I,I,I. 
    Talk about a narcissistic fool.
    -----

  Jonas Eklundh:
    -----
    You left out his I, I, I, I. AM. BETTER. THAN. Jonas Eklundh AND DFS!
    He is clearly feeling very insecure these days.
    -----

  Marek Novotny: 
    -----
    Well, if he wants to play this game with me he'll find pictures of
    his wife on imgur with dildos all over her and I can cross post
    those too. Keep fucking around Jonas Eklundh. I can play this game too. 
    -----

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