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  The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-21 00:37 +0000
    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-20 20:35 -0500
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-21 10:01 +0000
    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 11:37 +0100
      Google is the best calculator. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-12-21 09:01 -0800
    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-21 07:40 -0600
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-21 06:41 -0800
        Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-21 10:27 -0600
        Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:41 +0000
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-21 15:02 +0000
        Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:43 +0000
          Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-22 00:33 +0000
            Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-22 00:44 +0000
              Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-22 00:50 +0000
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:33 +0000
        Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-21 12:42 -0800
          Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 07:12 -0600
            Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 13:55 +0000
              Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 09:08 -0600
                Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 16:16 +0000
                  Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:12 -0600
                    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:18 -0600
                    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 17:23 +0000
                      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:36 -0600
                  Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:40 -0600
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-26 15:57 -0500
        Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-27 07:47 -0600
    All educated people agree that the Desktop Environment is what rocks the universe Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 08:13 -0800
    Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-26 15:56 -0500
      Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-27 07:17 -0500

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#481664 — The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators

The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc

Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
that clunky GUI shit).

Calc is comprehensive and powerful almost beyond belief.

I use calc all the time (even though I never use ALL of it)
and you should too.

The calculators available for Microshit Winblows are a pathetic
joke compared to GNU/Linux calc.  (That's because Winblows is
made for pussies whereas GNU/Linux is made for REAL MEN.)

Hail Linux!

Hail GNU and the FSF!

Hail Stallman!

Fuck Microshit and all the craven degenerates who support it!

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#481677

On 12/20/2018 7:37 PM, F. Russell wrote:
> The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
> on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc

calc isn't a Linux-only calculator.  Quit lying.

https://imgur.com/a/yy9rEdc



> Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry

A GUI calculator where you can click and/or key in is better.



>  (none of that clunky GUI shit).

User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a
  git.gnome.org/pan2)

The hypocrite is at it again.



> Calc is comprehensive and powerful almost beyond belief.


It does look powerful.

http://www.isthe.com/chongo/src/calc/builtin-function-list

But it has a bunch of functions and functionality that have nothing to 
do with numerical calculations, thus it fails the "Unix philosophy" and 
you should be bashing it.



> I use calc all the time (even though I never use ALL of it)
> and you should too.
> 
> The calculators available for Microshit Winblows are a pathetic
> joke compared to GNU/Linux calc.  


AllerCalc
Biromsoft Calculator
calc (subject of this post)
Calc Pro HD
Calc4Win
Calc98
CalcTape
Calculator X8
Calculator^2
Calcute
GraphCalc
Graphing Calculator 3D
JCalc
Kalkules
Kentsoft Full Screen Calculator
Moffsoft FreeCalc
MS Mathematics
Naturplay Calculator
rpCalc
SFR Calculator
Sicyon
SpaceTime
SpeedCrunch
SpeQ
Super Calculator
SuperbCalc
Wolfram Alpha

and more are available, beyond those 27 options.

A few of those offer Linux versions, but most are just for Windows. 
Using Windows, you quickly get used to having a big selection of the 
best software in the world.  A large set of powerful, mostly 
free-of-cost calculators doesn't surprise me in the slightest - this is 
MS Windows we're talking about.  Rules the world for 25+ years.

GuhNoo/Linux fails again.





> (That's because Winblows is
> made for pussies whereas GNU/Linux is made for REAL MEN.)

What OS and apps do you make a living with?

Who takes care of you?

We know who the real pussy is...




> Hail Linux!
> 
> Hail GNU and the FSF!
> 
> Hail Stallman!
> 
> Fuck Microshit and all the craven degenerates who support it!

You, your family, your employer, and practically everyone you know or 
have ever met.

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#481693

On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 20:35:29 -0500, DFS wrote:

>
> [snip puerile and uninformed drivel] 
>

Considered response:

<pvidde034b@news1.newsguy.com>

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#481694

"F. Russell" <fr@random.info> writes:

> The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
> on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>
> Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
> that clunky GUI shit).
>
You're such a turd that you stilk dont realise most GUIS utilise the
underlying programs you call "cli". And you can still use the keyboard
in them.

How can you be SO loud yet so uninformed.

You're an idiot.

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#481741 — Google is the best calculator.

> > The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators

Google is the best calculator.
Google "USD in Yuan" -> 6.91 Chinese Yuan

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#481703

F. Russell wrote:

>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>
>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>
>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>that clunky GUI shit).

Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?  bc does not.  A REAL
MAN's calculators will.  Lame-ass calculators report an "error".

I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.

-- 
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I was wrong, lying, an idiot, etc. Funny stuff."  -  some thing, lying
shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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#481713

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 8:40:57 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:

> 
> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? 
>

Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, with arbitrary
precision as well.

> 
> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX
> 

How cute.  You have to hold it in your hand.

And it can't do arbitrary precision.

And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code.

It does make a good paperweight, however.

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#481734

fr314159@gmail.com wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> 
>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? 
>
>Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, 

Nice.  The ability to do seamless complex arithmetic was a Godsend, in
some of my engineering classes.

>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX
>
>How cute.  You have to hold it in your hand.

That's a feature, not a bug.

>And it can't do arbitrary precision.

Who needs that?  I believe the HP48 calculates with 15 digits of
precision.  Way plenty.

>And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code.

Sure it can.  It's a programmable calculator.  32kB RAM!

>It does make a good paperweight, however.

That too!   8)

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#481775

On 2018-12-21, fr314159@gmail.com <fr314159@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 8:40:57 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
>
>> 
>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? 
>>
>
> Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, with arbitrary
> precision as well.
>
>> 
>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX
>> 
>
> How cute.  You have to hold it in your hand.
>
> And it can't do arbitrary precision.
>
> And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code.
>
> It does make a good paperweight, however.

Hm, it's calculator, no?
>
>


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#481714

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> F. Russell wrote:
> 
>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>
>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>
>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>that clunky GUI shit).
> 
> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?

anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)"
        1i
anon@lowtide:~$ 

>  bc does not.  A REAL
> MAN's calculators will.  Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
> 
> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.
> 

Can you use it in a script?

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#481777

On 2018-12-21, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> F. Russell wrote:
>> 
>>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>>
>>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>>
>>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>>that clunky GUI shit).
>> 
>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?
>
> anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)"
>         1i
> anon@lowtide:~$ 

zsh: correct 'calc' to 'cal' [nyae]? n
The command 'calc' is provided by the following packages:
calc (2.12.5.0-1) from community
        [ calc ]

>
>>  bc does not.  A REAL
>> MAN's calculators will.  Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
>> 
>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.
>> 
>
> Can you use it in a script?
>
iIs there any reason to install calc?

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#481801

Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2018-12-21, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> F. Russell wrote:
>>> 
>>>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>>>
>>>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>>>
>>>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>>>that clunky GUI shit).
>>> 
>>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?
>>
>> anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)"
>>         1i
>> anon@lowtide:~$ 
> 
> zsh: correct 'calc' to 'cal' [nyae]? n
> The command 'calc' is provided by the following packages:
> calc (2.12.5.0-1) from community
>         [ calc ]
> 
>>
>>>  bc does not.  A REAL
>>> MAN's calculators will.  Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
>>> 
>>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.
>>> 
>>
>> Can you use it in a script?
>>
> iIs there any reason to install calc?
> 

I haven't played with it enough to know.  bc has always worked fine
for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more.

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#481803

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 00:33:14 +0000, owl wrote:

> 
> I haven't played with it enough to know.  bc has always worked fine
> for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more.
>

The least that you can do is compile the calc source and report
any compiler warnings to the developers via their mailing list.

http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/calc-tester.html

Calc is actively developed and they welcome such information.

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#481805

F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 00:33:14 +0000, owl wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I haven't played with it enough to know.  bc has always worked fine
>> for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more.
>>
> 
> The least that you can do is compile the calc source and report
> any compiler warnings to the developers via their mailing list.
> 
> http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/calc-tester.html
> 
> Calc is actively developed and they welcome such information.
> 

It's in the debian repos as apcalc and seems to work fine.
I do plan to play with it though at some point.
 

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#481771

On 2018-12-21, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> F. Russell wrote:
>
>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>
>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>
>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>that clunky GUI shit).
>
> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?  bc does not.  A REAL
> MAN's calculators will.  Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
>
> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.

What's correct answer?
>


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#481776

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:33:33 PM UTC-5, Melzzzzz wrote:

> 
> What's correct answer?
> 

There are TWO correct answers.

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#482024

fr314159@gmail.com wrote:

> Melzzzzz wrote:
>> 
>> What's correct answer?

Well, 'i', the square root of -1, of course.

>There are TWO correct answers.

You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing
the same thing.

Matters not, as the mighty HP48SX works with either system.

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Free system?"  -  some thing, attacking the GPL and its supporters

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#482028

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 07:12:57 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> 
>>There are TWO correct answers.
> 
> You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing
> the same thing.

No.  There are TWO separate and distinct answers.

The square root of -1 is essentially the root of a polynomial
equation:

x^2 + 1 = 0

According to the fundamental theorem of algebra:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra

Every polynomial of degree N has N roots.  This equation
is degree 2 and therefor has two roots:

i, -i

Similarly, every cube root has THREE answers.  So
what are the three cube roots of -1 ?

Write a formula that will express the N N-th roots
of -1.

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#482034

F. Russell wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> 
>>>There are TWO correct answers.
>> 
>> You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing
>> the same thing.
>
>No.  There are TWO separate and distinct answers.
>
>The square root of -1 is essentially the root of a polynomial
>equation:
>
>x^2 + 1 = 0
>
>According to the fundamental theorem of algebra:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra
>
>Every polynomial of degree N has N roots.  This equation
>is degree 2 and therefor has two roots:
>
>i, -i

Good point.

>Similarly, every cube root has THREE answers.  So
>what are the three cube roots of -1 ?

Good question.

-- 
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performs his act only after they've very obviously lost a debate on
its merits:  the act of plonking is a reliable sign of an illogical
and a sore loser.'  -  lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

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#482037

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 09:08:26 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> 
>>
>>what are the three cube roots of -1 ?
> 
> Good question.
>

Check if your mighty HP can verify the three cube roots of -1:

exp(-pi * i)

exp(pi/3 * i)

exp(-pi/3 * i)


Note that exp(-pi * i) = -1

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