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Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA

Started byIan Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org>
First post2014-04-23 16:22 +0200
Last post2014-04-24 13:19 +0200
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  Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-23 16:22 +0200
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 10:51 -0400
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 11:04 -0400
        Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 18:06 -0400
          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 18:14 -0400
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:20 +0200
        Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-24 15:59 +0200
          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-24 11:30 -0400
            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 17:43 +0200
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 12:04 -0400
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-24 12:38 -0400
          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 10:42 -0500
            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-24 22:26 -0400
          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 14:00 +0200
            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-25 14:41 +0200
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 07:55 -0500
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 09:25 -0400
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 08:40 -0500
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 09:55 -0400
                      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 16:03 +0200
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-04-25 14:21 +0000
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-25 11:41 -0600
              "Hadron" basically admits Windows is "lowest common denominator" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 09:24 -0400
                Re: "Hadron" basically admits Windows is "lowest common denominator" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-25 08:54 -0700
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:47 -0400
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 08:39 -0400
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 10:13 -0400
                      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:19 -0400
                        Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 10:31 -0400
                          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:34 -0400
                            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 12:31 -0400
                            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:04 -0700
            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-25 17:44 +0200
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 11:01 -0500
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:33 -0400
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 08:00 -0400
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-30 09:12 -0400
                      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:05 -0400
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 14:07 -0400
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 14:22 -0400
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 23:57 +0200
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 16:01 +0200
                      The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 10:24 -0400
                        Re: The low road versus the high road 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-28 10:54 -0400
                        Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 10:08 -0500
                          Re: The low road versus the high road Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 18:12 +0200
                            Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 18:26 +0200
                              Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:02 -0500
                            Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 18:32 +0200
                              Re: The low road versus the high road Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 18:44 +0200
                                Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:09 -0500
                              Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 18:47 +0200
                                Re: The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 12:53 -0400
                                  Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 19:10 +0200
                                    Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 20:00 +0200
                                      Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:11 -0500
                                        Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:32 -0500
                                        Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:46 -0500
                                        Re: The low road versus the high road DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:28 -0400
                                          Re: The low road versus the high road 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 07:58 -0400
                                  Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0500
                                    Re: The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 14:12 -0400
                                Re: The low road versus the high road Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:04 -0400
                                  Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:19 -0600
                                Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:03 -0500
                                Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:17 -0600
                                  Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 19:21 +0200
                                    Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:06 -0600
                            Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 11:53 -0500
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:57 -0400
            Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 01:08 -0500
              Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-26 10:48 +0100
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 08:24 -0500
                Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-27 17:39 -0400
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
                  Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:53 +0200
                    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 13:21 -0400
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-23 12:52 -0400
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 13:26 -0500
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Benny <bt@example.net> - 2014-04-23 15:56 -0600
        Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2014-04-24 00:10 +0100
          Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 06:51 -0500
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-04-23 21:40 +0000
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-23 16:43 -0700
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2014-04-24 01:48 +0100
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 21:40 -0400
      Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-24 05:41 -0400
    Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:19 +0200

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#240665 — Re: The low road versus the high road

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-04-28 12:11 -0500
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<rr2tl9tspvc2q427pqfuj0b2eid0mtk1lk@4ax.com>
In reply to#240655
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>>> pretentious dick
>>> pretentious dick
>>> pretentious dick
>>> pretentious dick
>
> Is that the sound of one "Hadron" fapping?

The Quack asshole has real "issues" with anyone who is better-
educated and/or more experienced than he is.

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#240689 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2014-04-28 14:12 -0400
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<ljm5ls$vh8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240665
chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>>> pretentious dick
>>>> pretentious dick
>>>> pretentious dick
>>>> pretentious dick
>>
>> Is that the sound of one "Hadron" fapping?
>
> The Quack asshole has real "issues" with anyone who is better-
> educated and/or more experienced than he is.

He hate everyone?

-- 
We have the flu.  I don't know if this particular strain has an official
name, but if it does, it must be something like "Martian Death Flu".  You
may have had it yourself.  The main symptom is that you wish you had another
setting on your electric blanket, up past "HIGH", that said "ELECTROCUTION".
	Another symptom is that you cease brushing your teeth, because (a)
your teeth hurt, and (b) you lack the strength.  Midway through the brushing
process, you'd have to lie down in front of the sink to rest for a couple
of hours, and rivulets of toothpaste foam would dribble sideways out of your
mouth, eventually hardening into crusty little toothpaste stalagmites that
would bond your head permanently to the bathroom floor, which is how the
police would find you.
	You know the kind of flu I'm talking about.
		-- Dave Barry, "Molecular Homicide"

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#240659 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromSilver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2014-04-28 13:04 -0400
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<ljm1no$uo1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240654
On 2014-04-28 12:47 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> You have about as much of an idea about electronics as you have about linux.
> Any slightly demented cow knows more about quantum physics than you do about
> linux or electronics. You just "know" what google tells you, and because you
> are a incredibly stupid prick don't understand even 1% of that

LOL @ the slightly demented cow part.

-- 
Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott 
Computer Guy
http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html

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#240669 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-04-28 11:19 -0600
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<5_qdnSFQS_IEEMPOnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#240659
On 4/28/2014 11:04 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
> On 2014-04-28 12:47 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>> You have about as much of an idea about electronics as you have about
>> linux.
>> Any slightly demented cow knows more about quantum physics than you do
>> about
>> linux or electronics. You just "know" what google tells you, and
>> because you
>> are a incredibly stupid prick don't understand even 1% of that
> 
> LOL @ the slightly demented cow part.
> 

Heh.  OT, I heard a funny senior joke today:

An old man was at the local Senior center, and the host was giving
oration on safety and fire drills.  He asked what steps should be taken
in case of a fire.  The old man said "Big fucking ones..." which
obviously wasn't the correct answer.

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#240661 — Re: The low road versus the high road

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-04-28 12:03 -0500
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<nc2tl9lk9blm3q15oah0gcngi7n7t1fnhh@4ax.com>
In reply to#240654
> Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry snotted:
>> 
>> Stop being such a pretentious dick. negative feedback stabilising
>> systems is in NO WAY A HALF ANSWER. 

Indeed, I would say that Ian was being overly generous, Quack.

*Everything* I've said on this issue has been correct, you *fscking*
asshole.

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#240667 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-04-28 11:17 -0600
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<5_qdnSZQS_KwEMPOnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#240654
On 4/28/2014 10:47 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry snotted:
> 
>>
>>> problem with half answers is that they can be more dangerous than no
>>> answer, because they can lull one into the belief that they have the
>>> answer.
>>
>> Stop being such a pretentious dick. negative feedback stabilising
>> systems is in NO WAY A HALF ANSWER. 
> 
> It is. Too much negative feeback will make the circuit unstable.

Unless of course you are wanting unity gain for the purposes of current
drive.  A small resistor from output to input usually accomplishes this.
Today most of this is done with Op amps anyway.  I've seen a wire
attached to the output to input to achieve unity gain on certain types
of op amps.

> Apart from the fact that overdoing it will remove much gain, making more 
> amp-stages necessary (which will introduce additional noise and distortion)
> 
> You again try to imply that you are a "knowledgeable" man (after all, you 
> were at CERN and IBM [rolls eyes])
> 
> You have about as much of an idea about electronics as you have about linux. 
> Any slightly demented cow knows more about quantum physics than you do about 
> linux or electronics. You just "know" what google tells you, and because you 
> are a incredibly stupid prick don't understand even 1% of that
> 

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#240670 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromHadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2014-04-28 19:21 +0200
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<877g69pdz0.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#240667
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:

> On 4/28/2014 10:47 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry snotted:
>> 
>>>
>>>> problem with half answers is that they can be more dangerous than no
>>>> answer, because they can lull one into the belief that they have the
>>>> answer.
>>>
>>> Stop being such a pretentious dick. negative feedback stabilising
>>> systems is in NO WAY A HALF ANSWER. 
>> 
>> It is. Too much negative feeback will make the circuit unstable.
>
> Unless of course you are wanting unity gain for the purposes of current
> drive.  A small resistor from output to input usually accomplishes this.
> Today most of this is done with Op amps anyway.  I've seen a wire
> attached to the output to input to achieve unity gain on certain types
> of op amps.

None of which alters the FACT that negative feedback IS USED TO
STABILISE SYSTEMS. All sorts of systems. Of course if it was configured
by an idiot (ie Peter Koehlmann) it would probably blow up the system
too.....

That wanker Kohlmann is blowing hot air about something he also knows
nothing about.

The bottom line is that turdv denied NF systems maintain stability.

He is an idiot and needs flushing.

Quote below :

-- 
"I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." 
The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree.
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

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#240684 — Re: The low road versus the high road

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-04-28 12:06 -0600
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<LM2dnRXQbtpUBcPOnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#240670
On 4/28/2014 11:21 AM, Hadron wrote:
> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:
> 
>> On 4/28/2014 10:47 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry snotted:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> problem with half answers is that they can be more dangerous than no
>>>>> answer, because they can lull one into the belief that they have the
>>>>> answer.
>>>>
>>>> Stop being such a pretentious dick. negative feedback stabilising
>>>> systems is in NO WAY A HALF ANSWER. 
>>>
>>> It is. Too much negative feeback will make the circuit unstable.
>>
>> Unless of course you are wanting unity gain for the purposes of current
>> drive.  A small resistor from output to input usually accomplishes this.
>> Today most of this is done with Op amps anyway.  I've seen a wire
>> attached to the output to input to achieve unity gain on certain types
>> of op amps.
> 
> None of which alters the FACT that negative feedback IS USED TO
> STABILISE SYSTEMS. All sorts of systems. Of course if it was configured
> by an idiot (ie Peter Koehlmann) it would probably blow up the system
> too.....
> 

The problem here is what frequency are we talking about?
Is it a UHF amp, Microwave amp, audio amp?
As the frequency goes up, new problems arise and a different engineering
discipline is needed.
Today, you just buy the chip that does the job plus the data sheet that
comes with it.

> That wanker Kohlmann is blowing hot air about something he also knows
> nothing about.
> 
> The bottom line is that turdv denied NF systems maintain stability.
> 
> He is an idiot and needs flushing.
> 
> Quote below :
> 

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#240657 — Re: The low road versus the high road

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-04-28 11:53 -0500
SubjectRe: The low road versus the high road
Message-ID<6pvsl9h70av5tv7ji33mhpsb4htc3k56er@4ax.com>
In reply to#240645
Ian Hilliard wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Sure.  Like when Flathead claimed that negative feedback is
>> added into the amplifier circuitry "in order to maintain stability"
>> and that the amp "will go unstable" if there's not enough negative
>> feedback.  Both flat-out *wrong* statements, that I corrected.
>
>Such a statement is only wrong because of its incompleteness. 

I would say it's flat-out wrong, considering the context.  The fact
that the amount of negative feedback can be used to set the circuit's
gain (and thus make the gain unsusceptible to variations in the
amplifier's open-loop gain) does not mean it is "stable".

Consider the context:

>> Flathead wrote:
>>>
>>> Negative feedback is added into the amplifier circuitry in order
>>> to maintain stability.
>>> Too much and you will hear it.
>>> Not enough and the amp will go unstable.

There's a couple of flat-out wrong statements in there.  Certainly,
the last one is indefensible, in the context of audio amplifiers.

The first one is also wrong under the technical definition of
"stability" (it does *not* mean having "stable gain", despite Googled
examples of people misusing it that way).

>Negative 
>feedback reduces the overall gain of an amplifying circuit and 
>compensates for distortion by cancelling out some of the input signal.

One of the "many benefits" that I alluded-to is reducing distortion,
yes.
 
>If an amplifier circuit through design or implementation problems has 
>end to end positive feedback, it can become unstable without negative 
>feedback.

Of course, no one has claimed that the _only_ thing that can make an
amplifier unstable is (too much) negative feedback (in an amplifier
that is not unconditionally stable).

>Negative feedback can only have a moderating effect if there is positive 
>feedback in intermediate circuits within the amplifier chain. Under 
>these circumstances it is not uncommon for the instability to move 
>outside of the normal operating range. In audio amplifiers, this usually 
>then manifests itself as distortion, because the amplifier is being 
>fully driven producing RF.

High-frequency oscillation.  Yes, and the more negative feedback, the
greater the risk of it occurring.  My point all-along.

>Saying that negative feedback stabilises an amplifier is half an answer. 

It's half an answer if one generously accepts the lay person's
"stabilization of gain" point.  

I might be inclined to such generosity, were I not under attack by
vicious assholes bent on attacking me (the guy with the BSEE) as
"clueless" and a "liar" regarding my education.

>The problem with half answers is that they can be more dangerous than no 
>answer, because they can lull one into the belief that they have the answer.

Like I said, they are not here to learn.  They are here to attack.

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#240744

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
Message-ID<ljmntn$7jo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240107
On 4/25/2014 11:44 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> There is a lot of cross platform development around, the problem is that
> the evangelists at Redmond don't want you knowing about it. Have a look at:
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958
>
> --- Quote ---
>
> Our mission is to establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto
> standards throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes
> to orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of
> the enemy's, is a key evangelism function during the Slog. "Independent"
> analyst's report should be issued, praising your technology and damning
> the competitors (or ignoring them). "Independent" consultants should
> write columns and articles, give conference presentations and moderate
> stacked panels, all on our behalf (and setting them up as experts in the
> new technology, available for just $200/hour). "Independent" academic
> sources should be cultivated and quoted (and research money granted).
> "Independent" courseware providers should start profiting from their
> early involvement in our technology. Every possible source of leverage
> should be sought and turned to our advantage.
>
> --- End Quote ---


That's nothing compared to various lowlifes in the Linux "community":


Fraud 7: "Appile should be actively barred from all schools"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7cbc23034609637f?hl=en&dmode=source


Marti: "Non-Free proprietary applications should not be included in 
*any* GNU/Linux distribution by default."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b50fa67489ff74a9?hl=en&dmode=source


"The government has had a history of desiring more than one source for 
their systems and Windows shouldn't be a choice."
#22 at http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=43629.0


mlw: "It has to be Linux or BSD....or something, just get rid of 
Windows.  It doesn't matter, Mac, BSD, or Linux, geez, ANYTHING but 
Windows!"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bd7ba1c950da917b?hl=en&dmode=source


"windows shouldn't be a choice for anyone mang"
http://www.irclog.org/freenode/suse/2006-06-19/page4.html


"I'm a Unix/Linux guy... MS Windows should not be allowed in a business 
environment."
http://www.thegearpage.net/board//showpost.php?p=15072408&postcount=8


"Microsoft should not be allowed to bake Windows into silicon and CMOS 
(or equivalents)."
http://techrights.org/2013/03/12/nice-work-if-you-can-get-it/



Such proponents of "freedom and choice"...

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#240755

FromSilver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2014-04-28 19:57 -0400
Message-ID<ljmptv$hur$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240744
On 2014-04-28 7:23 PM, DFS wrote:

> That's nothing compared to various lowlifes in the Linux "community":
>
> Fraud 7: "Appile should be actively barred from all schools"
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7cbc23034609637f?hl=en&dmode=source

I don't entirely disagree with it. Schools would benefit from having 
students use free software in lieu of proprietary solutions. Not only 
would it allow the more curious users to take a look at the code but it 
would also allow users who want to continue using some of the software 
to do so at home, free of charge. Schools have an objective of 
integrating all students of all social statuses and incomes and free 
software allows that. Apple products do not cater to the poor at all and 
definitely limit how far a curious user can go when it comes to 
discovering the software.

> Marti: "Non-Free proprietary applications should not be included in
> *any* GNU/Linux distribution by default."
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b50fa67489ff74a9?hl=en&dmode=source

It's not a bad idea and many distributions exclude proprietary software 
for legal or philosophical reasons. However, these proprietary solutions 
should be EASILY available to the user if he chooses to install them 
rather than completely barred the way Stallman advocates.

> Such proponents of "freedom and choice"...

Ah, point well made.

-- 
Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott 
Computer Guy
http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html

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#240321

FromNobody <nobody@invalid.com>
Date2014-04-26 01:08 -0500
Message-ID<k3I6v.128600$Fj3.5571@fx09.iad>
In reply to#240077
On 04/25/2014 07:00 AM, Hadron wrote:
> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>
>> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess
>>>>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which
>>>>> should help them to become useful members of society.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>> Thunderbird/24.4.0
>>>>
>>>> It's MCSE.  And I see you're not posting from your Windows job.
>>>>
>>>> Good one, Bighead!
>>>>
>>>> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different
>>>>    platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different
>>>>    processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then
>>>>    selected based on a series of tests."
>>>>
>>>> LMAO!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER design,
>>> implementation, testing and, probably, user acceptance tests. What an
>>> idiot Hilliard is.
>>>
>>
>> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance in
>> public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a
>> requirement. It is a dependent variable.
>
> Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into
> it. It might be so for your dancing penguin applet.
>
> Yes, yes languages like Java and the platform independent UIs like Swing
> etc do make real cross platform a sometimes viable offing however
> generally you are then programming to the lowest common denominator
> BEFORE we even start to talk about user training, infrastructure and
> support.
>
> Someone would have to be asshole of the highest order, and that would be
> you Hilliard, to design, implement and test only on Linux, for example,
> when your target is... not surprisingly, the Windows desktop.
>
> And I can assure you that users do NOT like generic kludgy swing type
> UIs. They want something responsive and native.
>
> You really are a fuckwit.
>
> next thing : I dont believe in MS. I use Debian.

Did you end your diatribe by admitting to being an "asshole of the 
highest order?"

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#240326

FromWilliam Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net>
Date2014-04-26 10:48 +0100
Message-ID<80cs2b-cu5.ln1@myhost.linuxnetworkbeta.net>
In reply to#240321
Nobody wrote:

> On 04/25/2014 07:00 AM, Hadron wrote:
>> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote:
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess
>>>>>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which
>>>>>> should help them to become useful members of society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>>> Thunderbird/24.4.0
>>>>>
>>>>> It's MCSE.  And I see you're not posting from your Windows job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good one, Bighead!
>>>>>
>>>>> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different
>>>>>    platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different
>>>>>    processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then
>>>>>    selected based on a series of tests."
>>>>>
>>>>> LMAO!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER design,
>>>> implementation, testing and, probably, user acceptance tests. What an
>>>> idiot Hilliard is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance in
>>> public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a
>>> requirement. It is a dependent variable.
>>
>> Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into
>> it. It might be so for your dancing penguin applet.
>>
>> Yes, yes languages like Java and the platform independent UIs like Swing
>> etc do make real cross platform a sometimes viable offing however
>> generally you are then programming to the lowest common denominator
>> BEFORE we even start to talk about user training, infrastructure and
>> support.
>>
>> Someone would have to be asshole of the highest order, and that would be
>> you Hilliard, to design, implement and test only on Linux, for example,
>> when your target is... not surprisingly, the Windows desktop.
>>
>> And I can assure you that users do NOT like generic kludgy swing type
>> UIs. They want something responsive and native.
>>
>> You really are a fuckwit.
>>
>> next thing : I dont believe in MS. I use Debian.
>
> Did you end your diatribe by admitting to being an "asshole of the 
> highest order?"

Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D

"I'm a long term Windows user and programmer."
From: Hadron <qadronhuark@googlemail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

"I have to update my Milestone from XP."
Hadron - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Message-ID:  <iapdfj$kv3$1@news.eternal-september.org>


-- 
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves. 
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods." 
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --

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#240339

FromNobody <nobody@invalid.com>
Date2014-04-26 08:24 -0500
Message-ID<6sO6v.19183$Eh6.19140@fx11.iad>
In reply to#240326
On 04/26/2014 04:48 AM, William Poaster wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
>
>> On 04/25/2014 07:00 AM, Hadron wrote:
>>> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote:
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>>> It appears that some people have too much time on their
>>>>>>> hands. I guess that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is
>>>>>>> a very useful link, which should help them to become
>>>>>>> useful members of society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0)
>>>>>> Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's MCSE.  And I see you're not posting from your Windows
>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good one, Bighead!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number
>>>>>> of different platforms, using a number of different tools,
>>>>>> on a number of different processors to detect any errors.
>>>>>> The actual end platform is then selected based on a series
>>>>>> of tests."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LMAO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER
>>>>> design, implementation, testing and, probably, user
>>>>> acceptance tests. What an idiot Hilliard is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your
>>>> ignorance in public. In the world of true software engineering,
>>>> platform is not a requirement. It is a dependent variable.
>>>
>>> Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go
>>> into it. It might be so for your dancing penguin applet.
>>>
>>> Yes, yes languages like Java and the platform independent UIs
>>> like Swing etc do make real cross platform a sometimes viable
>>> offing however generally you are then programming to the lowest
>>> common denominator BEFORE we even start to talk about user
>>> training, infrastructure and support.
>>>
>>> Someone would have to be asshole of the highest order, and that
>>> would be you Hilliard, to design, implement and test only on
>>> Linux, for example, when your target is... not surprisingly, the
>>> Windows desktop.
>>>
>>> And I can assure you that users do NOT like generic kludgy swing
>>> type UIs. They want something responsive and native.
>>>
>>> You really are a fuckwit.
>>>
>>> next thing : I dont believe in MS. I use Debian.
>>
>> Did you end your diatribe by admitting to being an "asshole of the
>> highest order?"
>
> Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D
>
> "I'm a long term Windows user and programmer." From: Hadron
> <qadronhuark@googlemail.com> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
>
> "I have to update my Milestone from XP." Hadron -
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu Message-ID:
> <iapdfj$kv3$1@news.eternal-september.org>


Which means he uses Debian to "design, implement, and test only on
Linux... when [his]target is...the Windows desktop."

He wrote "someone would have to be an "asshole of the highest order" to 
do that.

Great self-nuke!

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#240529

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2014-04-27 17:39 -0400
Message-ID<ljjteg$oj5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240326
On 04/26/2014 05:48 AM, William Poaster wrote:


> Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D

Only lying asshole I see here is you, Dumb Willie.



> "I'm a long term Windows user and programmer."
> From: Hadron <qadronhuark@googlemail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

Hadron didn't say that, you lying piece of shit.



> "I have to update my Milestone from XP."
> Hadron - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
> Message-ID:  <iapdfj$kv3$1@news.eternal-september.org>

Android Linux wasn't up to the job at the time.



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#240531

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
Message-ID<92d94819-226a-4824-9b73-63b64309d716@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#240529
On Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:39:29 PM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> On 04/26/2014 05:48 AM, William Poaster wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D
> 
> 
> 
> Only lying asshole I see here is you, Dumb Willie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > "I'm a long term Windows user and programmer."
> 
> > From: Hadron <qadronhuark@googlemail.com>
> 
> > Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
> 
> 
> 
> Hadron didn't say that, you lying piece of shit.

Hadron is a lying piece of shit so it all comes out in the wash.

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#240626

FromHadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2014-04-28 15:53 +0200
Message-ID<871twhr25q.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#240529
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:

> On 04/26/2014 05:48 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>
>> Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D
>
> Only lying asshole I see here is you, Dumb Willie.
>
>> "I'm a long term Windows user and programmer."
>> From: Hadron <qadronhuark@googlemail.com>
>> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

I was. As were/are you.

>
> Hadron didn't say that, you lying piece of shit.

Dont confuse poor Dumb Willy.

>
>> "I have to update my Milestone from XP."

I did.

>> Hadron - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
>> Message-ID:  <iapdfj$kv3$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> Android Linux wasn't up to the job at the time.
>

I dont know why Willy posts. He'e easily proven to be a liar time and
time again.

-- 
"I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." 
The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree.
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

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#240671

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2014-04-28 13:21 -0400
Message-ID<ljm2ma$7aa$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#240626
On 04/28/2014 09:53 AM, Hadron wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes:
>
>> On 04/26/2014 05:48 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> Surely a "Lying Asshole of the Highest Order?" (LAHO for short) :-D
>>
>> Only lying asshole I see here is you, Dumb Willie.
>>
>>> "I'm a long term Windows user and programmer."
>>> From: Hadron <qadronhuark@googlemail.com>
>>> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
>
> I was. As were/are you.

'was' being the operative word.



>> Hadron didn't say that, you lying piece of shit.
>
> Dont confuse poor Dumb Willy.
>
>>
>>> "I have to update my Milestone from XP."
>
> I did.
>
>>> Hadron - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
>>> Message-ID:  <iapdfj$kv3$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>>
>> Android Linux wasn't up to the job at the time.
>>
>
> I dont know why Willy posts. He'e easily proven to be a liar time and
> time again.


Dumb Willie (Nov 2008)

"I don't (unfortunately) have a direct link for this, but in 2005
   Microsoft Executives deposed in **sworn testimony** before Courts, &
   in every quarterly SEC filing since then, that Linux users made up
   over 17% of all Internet users with a growth rate of >3% per annum."

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e0740eb324f23f6e



He posted a similar lie 11 other times.


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#239830

FromSilver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2014-04-23 12:52 -0400
Message-ID<lj8r5a$nfp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#239813
On 2014-04-23 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess
> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which
> should help them to become useful members of society.
>
> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318

Who are these unemployed MCSE's exactly?

-- 
Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

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#239836

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-04-23 13:26 -0500
Message-ID<ml0gl91gj8segmccjmoseg84iij3c495tk@4ax.com>
In reply to#239813
Ian Hilliard wrote:

>It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess 
>that unemployment is a bitch. 

So is mental illness, which appears to afflict a good number of the
cola trolls.

Did you know that "Flatfish" thinks that Linus regrets "giving Linux
away for free"?

Guffaw.  As if Linux would have succeeded *anything* like it has, if
it was not Free software.

Flathead's stupid, shitty pal "Hadron" has made the same ridiculous
claim.

"Ezekiel" and "DFS" like them both, and would never denounce their
idiocy and their lies.

>So, here is a very useful link, which 
>should help them to become useful members of society.
>
>http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318

Here's a couple more.

https://www.google.com/#q=help%20for%20mentally%20ill

https://www.google.com/#q=help%20for%20pathological%20liars

-- 
'Unfortunately I believed the COLA gang when they said "it all just
works".'  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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