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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-06-18 07:32 +0000 |
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Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 07:32 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 15:35 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-18 23:10 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-06-18 16:11 -0700
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:55 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 22:56 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:00 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:07 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 00:15 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 03:07 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:53 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:23 +0000
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-06-25 20:17 -0700
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-06-26 07:28 -0400
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-06-18 10:18 -0700
Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-06-19 07:05 -0400
| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 07:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I just picked up a MacBook Neo |
| Message-ID | <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me> |
On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: > It is very nice. Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price is going to go up.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 15:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a341031$0$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #716091 |
On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: > On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: > >> It is very nice. > > Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price is > going to go up. Whole industry is facing that. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716115 |
On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote > <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: > >> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >> >>> It is very nice. >> >> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price >> is going to go up. > > Whole industry is facing that. Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 16:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1111tvd$2t99h$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716146 |
On 2026-06-18 16:10, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>> >>>> It is very nice. >>> >>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price >>> is going to go up. >> >> Whole industry is facing that. > > Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- > Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that? Almost all deals have TERMS. Or is that not something that's occurred to you?
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 14:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a35587a$0$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #716146 |
On Jun 18, 2026 at 4:10:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me>: > On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>> >>>> It is very nice. >>> >>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price >>> is going to go up. >> >> Whole industry is facing that. > > Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- > Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that? It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you get that? -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1114hea$3l4ud$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716193 |
On 19 Jun 2026 14:55:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 18, 2026 at 4:10:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote > <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me>: > >> On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> >>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >>> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: >>> >>>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is very nice. >>>> >>>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the >>>> price is going to go up. >>> >>> Whole industry is facing that. >> >> Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- >> Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that? > > It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you get > that? From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it appeared to be ... Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ...
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 23:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a35c9ff$0$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #716285 |
On Jun 19, 2026 at 3:56:11 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <1114hea$3l4ud$7@dont-email.me>: > On 19 Jun 2026 14:55:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2026 at 4:10:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >> <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >>>> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is very nice. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the >>>>> price is going to go up. >>>> >>>> Whole industry is facing that. >>> >>> Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- >>> Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that? >> >> It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you get >> that? > > From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that looks > expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it appeared to be ... > > Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... I doubt even you know what you are talking about. I know I never said it was immune to market forces, or magical, or whatever. I doubt anyone else did. You are just looking for a reaction. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 00:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1114lk5$3m8ht$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716286 |
On 19 Jun 2026 23:00:15 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 19, 2026 at 3:56:11 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote > <1114hea$3l4ud$7@dont-email.me>: > >> On 19 Jun 2026 14:55:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> >>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 4:10:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >>> <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me>: >>> >>>> On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote >>>>> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is very nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the >>>>>> price is going to go up. >>>>> >>>>> Whole industry is facing that. >>>> >>>> Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know -- >>>> Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that? >>> >>> It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you get >>> that? >> >> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that >> looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it appeared to >> be ... >> >> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... > > I doubt even you know what you are talking about. I know I never > said it was immune to market forces, or magical, or whatever. Strawman, much? Let the record show that it was not I who brought the phrase “immune to market forces” or the word “magical” into this discussion.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 00:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a35db97$0$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #716300 |
On Jun 19, 2026 at 5:07:33 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<1114lk5$3m8ht$3@dont-email.me>:
> On 19 Jun 2026 23:00:15 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>
>> On Jun 19, 2026 at 3:56:11 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>> <1114hea$3l4ud$7@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 19 Jun 2026 14:55:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 4:10:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <1111tti$2uj2s$10@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Jun 2026 15:35:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2026 at 12:32:46 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>> <11106uu$2e9gl$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is very nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the
>>>>>>> price is going to go up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whole industry is facing that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but the Neo was supposed to be something special! You know --
>>>>> Apple’s ability to lock in supplier deals, and all that?
>>>>
>>>> It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you get
>>>> that?
>>>
>>> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that
>>> looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it appeared to
>>> be ...
>>>
>>> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ...
>>
>> I doubt even you know what you are talking about. I know I never
>> said it was immune to market forces, or magical, or whatever.
Notice you offer no evidence. No MID. No quote.
Apple is not immune from market forces. Nobody said they were.
>
> Strawman, much?
>
> Let the record show that it was not I who brought the phrase “immune
> to market forces” or the word “magical” into this discussion.
Irrelevant to the point.
Me:
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It was supposed to be immune from market forces? Where did you
get that?
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You:
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From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine
that looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all
it appeared to be ...
Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ...
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You were wrong.
The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very well. Like
any item its price might go up. With the current market conditions it likely
will go up soon. No surprise and nobody said otherwise.
You are just making things up to get attention.
--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 03:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111506d$3odnn$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716306 |
On 20 Jun 2026 00:15:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > You: > ----- > From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine > that looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all > it appeared to be ... > > Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... > ----- > You were wrong. > > The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very well. Maybe soon to be not so impressive, and maybe not sell so “very well” ...
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 17:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a36d3b2$0$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #716330 |
On Jun 19, 2026 at 8:07:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <111506d$3odnn$6@dont-email.me>: > On 20 Jun 2026 00:15:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> You: >> ----- >> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine >> that looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all >> it appeared to be ... >> >> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... >> ----- >> You were wrong. >> >> The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very well. > > Maybe soon to be not so impressive, and maybe not sell so “very well” ... Pick a date. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 23:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111kda3$4v7h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716330 |
On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 03:07:58 -0000 (UTC), I wrote: > On 20 Jun 2026 00:15:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> You: >> ----- >> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that >> looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it >> appeared to be ... >> >> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... >> ----- >> You were wrong. >> >> The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very >> well. > > Maybe soon to be not so impressive, and maybe not sell so “very > well” ... Aaaannd ... the prices have gone up.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 20:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <111kr16$8842$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716866 |
On 2026-06-25 16:23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 03:07:58 -0000 (UTC), I wrote: > >> On 20 Jun 2026 00:15:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> >>> You: >>> ----- >>> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that >>> looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it >>> appeared to be ... >>> >>> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... >>> ----- >>> You were wrong. >>> >>> The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very >>> well. >> >> Maybe soon to be not so impressive, and maybe not sell so “very >> well” ... > > Aaaannd ... the prices have gone up. As have the prices of EVERY OTHER PERSONAL COMPUTER.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 07:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111lnon$fl3c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716900 |
On 6/25/26 23:17, Alan wrote: > On 2026-06-25 16:23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 03:07:58 -0000 (UTC), I wrote: >> >>> On 20 Jun 2026 00:15:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> >>>> You: >>>> ----- >>>> From the responses I got when I pointed out that a machine that >>>> looks expensive but sold cheaply was perhaps not all it >>>> appeared to be ... >>>> >>>> Some of which came from you, if I recall rightly ... >>>> ----- >>>> You were wrong. >>>> >>>> The Neo is an impressive machine for the price... and selling very >>>> well. >>> >>> Maybe soon to be not so impressive, and maybe not sell so “very >>> well” ... >> >> Aaaannd ... the prices have gone up. > > As have the prices of EVERY OTHER PERSONAL COMPUTER. Plus Tim Cook telegraphed the price increase intent, so consumers who were on the edge of buying something new had the opportunity to beat the increase. Case in point, we've been contemplating replacing some older devices for a couple of months now, so we ordered replacements at the old price; ETA next week. While I was at it, I also noted that some of the household UPS's batteries are calendar-wise EOL, so I ordered a battery tester and a few battery packs: next up is to test, cull & replace some of them. -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 10:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <111198h$2ou8f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716091 |
On 2026-06-18 00:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: > >> It is very nice. > > Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price is > going to go up. So? EVERYONE's prices are going to go up. EVERYONE making computing devices that need memory and storage are going to experience the fact that rising demand has driven up the cost of purchasing them.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 07:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11137q5$38goo$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #716132 |
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS: > On 2026-06-18 00:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >> >>> It is very nice. >> >> Enjoy it while stocks last. Because Tim Cook has admitted the price is >> going to go up. > > So? > > EVERYONE's prices are going to go up. > > EVERYONE making computing devices that need memory and storage are going > to experience the fact that rising demand has driven up the cost of > purchasing them. The last time I checked, the mini PC I bought had more than doubled in price. -- `O' LEVEL COUNTER CULTURE Timewarp allowed: 3 hours. Do not scrawl situationalist graffiti in the margins or stub your rollups in the inkwells. Orange may be worn. Credit will be given to candidates who self-actualise.
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