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  reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-31 18:23 +0000
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 15:13 -0400
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-31 15:14 -0400
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 06:00 +0000
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 08:48 -0400
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-01 17:29 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 14:40 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-01 22:49 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 20:19 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-02 01:09 +0000
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-02 01:06 +0000
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 15:59 -0500
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 14:24 -0700
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 17:30 -0400
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 08:44 -0400
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-01 01:23 +0000
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-01 02:19 +0000
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-01 04:38 +0000
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-02 12:57 +0000
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-02 13:27 +0000
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 07:42 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 05:31 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-03 12:04 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-03 16:44 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-03 14:06 -0400
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-04 01:34 +0000
                    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-03 21:39 -0400
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-04 08:51 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 20:38 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 13:41 -0700
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 23:18 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-04 01:30 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 19:20 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-10 11:44 +0300
                    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-11 00:22 +0000
                      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:39 -0700
                      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-11 08:26 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-04 19:05 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-04 15:19 -0500
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-05 16:35 +0000
                    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-05 17:50 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:09 -0400
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-04 21:47 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-05 16:37 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-04 18:38 -0400
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-05 00:54 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 02:15 +0000
                    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 22:21 -0400
                      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:11 -0700
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-03 06:40 -0500
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 05:52 +0000
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-01 09:49 -0400
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-01 16:35 +0000
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-01 17:22 +0000
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 14:39 -0400
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 12:41 -0700
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-01 22:34 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-01 20:19 -0400
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-02 00:56 +0000
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-02 07:25 -0500

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#688602

On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:57:15 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> On Apr 1, 2025 at 12:38:05 AM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 01:23:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>> 
>>> ... you are doing incredibly stupid shit.
>> 
>> Isn’t that a redundant thing to say about Dimdows users? ;)
> 
> No, but that is the kind of response I would expect from a Linsux user.

Let’s just say, it’s not Linux trying desperately to become more like 
Windows, it’s Microsoft desperately trying to make Windows more like 
Linux.

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#688603

On Thu, 4/3/2025 3:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:57:15 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2025 at 12:38:05 AM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 01:23:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... you are doing incredibly stupid shit.
>>>
>>> Isn’t that a redundant thing to say about Dimdows users? ;)
>>
>> No, but that is the kind of response I would expect from a Linsux user.
> 
> Let’s just say, it’s not Linux trying desperately to become more like 
> Windows, it’s Microsoft desperately trying to make Windows more like 
> Linux.
> 

Microsoft copies "features", it does not particularly care where
they come from.

The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft
did not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past
(perhaps MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see
that happening on every user desktop here.

Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh,
Rather than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read
the Wiki first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcsh

When my project at work, designed computers and an OS,
we copied mercilessly from things before us. There were
*complete* environments already in existence. It predated Linux.
It would be silly to claim anything we did there was "totally original".

All OSes are like that now, they copy things from elsewhere, until
they're all the same. the only thing that prevents some OS projects
from doing that, is a lack of manpower, not a lack of intent.

And some OS projects were beautiful... and nobody copied those.
That's why my screen looks like crap, in Windows. Won't someone
copy a good way of rendering stuff ?

Some things are "religious issues".

For everything else, you copy, you copy mercilessly.

   Paul

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#688609

On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

> 
> All OSes are like that now, they copy things from elsewhere, until
> they're all the same. the only thing that prevents some OS projects
> from doing that, is a lack of manpower, not a lack of intent.
> 

You are conflating the OS with the GUI, and more specifically, the
desktop environment (DE) which purposefully implements the desktop
metaphor (DM):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_metaphor

The DM, IMO, is a very silly idea, but it is the accepted norm in most
GUIs with the exception of many GNU/Linux window managers (which are not
DEs).

I am, however, surprised that Micro$oft, in its eternal quest to appease
its idiot user base, has not implemented such features in its DE as
an "erasure" or "white out."

Every office worker knows about the erasure and white out.  Imagine picking
up an "erasure" and dragging it into an M$ Word document in order to remove,
or erase, some text.  What could be more natural?

We see a "paperclip" icon all over to indicate a file attachment but what about
a "stapler?"  Imagine selecting several documents in File Explorer and then
"stapling" them together.  Wouldn't that be natural -- and fun?

So there is a lot of room for "improvement" in the DE.

Are such things patentable?

A patent is granted only for those inventions that are surprising to one
skilled in the art.  I doubt if a digital "erasure" would be surprising
and hence patentable.  But MicroSoft's lawyers would doubtless find a way.

Eventually the GNOME/KDE folks would implement their own erasures and staplers.

That's progress.







-- 
Hail Linux!  Hail FOSS!  Hail Stallman!

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#688610

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh,
> Rather than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read the Wiki
> first.

The cmd shell in Windows 2000 had tab completion. It was not enabled by 
default and you had to make an obscure registry edit to enable it. I never 
understood the logic behind that decision.

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#688611

On 2025-04-03 12:44, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh,
>> Rather than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read the Wiki
>> first.
> 
> The cmd shell in Windows 2000 had tab completion. It was not enabled by
> default and you had to make an obscure registry edit to enable it. I never
> understood the logic behind that decision.

It would have been too convenient for users.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688624

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 14:06:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-04-03 12:44, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh, Rather
>>> than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read the Wiki first.
>> 
>> The cmd shell in Windows 2000 had tab completion. It was not enabled by
>> default and you had to make an obscure registry edit to enable it. I
>> never understood the logic behind that decision.
> 
> It would have been too convenient for users.

How true.  IT gave me a new Windows 11 box since the old one was stuck in 
a Windows Insiders dead end but I haven't used it much. Today I discovered 
the right click menu in Explorer has the 'click to see more' crap. Now I 
have to hunt down the registry setting to get rid of that 'feature'.

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#688625

On 2025-04-03 21:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 14:06:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-04-03 12:44, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh, Rather
>>>> than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read the Wiki first.
>>>
>>> The cmd shell in Windows 2000 had tab completion. It was not enabled by
>>> default and you had to make an obscure registry edit to enable it. I
>>> never understood the logic behind that decision.
>>
>> It would have been too convenient for users.
> 
> How true.  IT gave me a new Windows 11 box since the old one was stuck in
> a Windows Insiders dead end but I haven't used it much. Today I discovered
> the right click menu in Explorer has the 'click to see more' crap. Now I
> have to hunt down the registry setting to get rid of that 'feature'.

I have to right-click to see more if I want to use something other than 
the built-in software in many cases. I understand that Microsoft 
believes its stuff is competent, and it is, but I like the fact that I 
can make a password-protected 7z file and want to use _it_ for my 
compression needs, not the Microsoft built-in compressor. Even if it did 
have a password-protect feature, I wouldn't trust it not to be easily 
bypassed.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688636

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> Powershell has tab-completion. And that likely came from tcsh,
>> Rather than claim Linux invented that, it would pay to read the Wiki
>> first.
>
> The cmd shell in Windows 2000 had tab completion. It was not enabled by 
> default and you had to make an obscure registry edit to enable it. I never 
> understood the logic behind that decision.

It was like the 8-or-so-character keyboard buffer in MS-DOS.

Way too small

-- 
Unix Beer: Comes in several different brands, in cans ranging from 8 oz.
to 64 oz.  Drinkers of Unix Beer display fierce brand loyalty, even
though they claim that all the different brands taste almost identical.
Sometimes the pop-tops break off when you try to open them, so you have
to have your own can opener around for those occasions, in which case you
either need a complete set of instructions, or a friend who has been
drinking Unix Beer for several years.
	BSD stout: Deep, hearty, and an acquired taste.  The official
brewer has released the recipe, and a lot of home-brewers now use it.
	Hurd beer: Long advertised by the popular and politically active
GNU brewery, so far it has more head than body.  The GNU brewery is
mostly known for printing complete brewing instructions on every can,
which contains hops, malt, barley, and yeast ... not yet fermented.
	Linux brand: A recipe originally created by a drunken Finn in his
basement, it has since become the home-brew of choice for impecunious
brewers and Unix beer-lovers worldwide, many of whom change the recipe.
	POSIX ales: Sweeter than lager, with the kick of a stout; the
newer batches of a lot of beers seem to blend ale and stout or lager.
	Solaris brand: A lager, intended to replace Sun brand stout.
Unlike most lagers, this one has to be drunk more slowly than stout.
	Sun brand: Long the most popular stout on the Unix market, it was
discontinued in favor of a lager.
	SysV lager: Clear and thirst-quenching, but lacking the body of
stout or the sweetness of ale.

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#688614

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

> On Thu, 4/3/2025 3:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Let’s just say, it’s not Linux trying desperately to become more like 
>> Windows, it’s Microsoft desperately trying to make Windows more like 
>> Linux.
> 
> Microsoft copies "features", it does not particularly care where
> they come from.

Microsoft is stuck in a bind. After years, decades, of conditioning its 
users to be allergic to the command line, now suddenly it has to reverse 
course and admit that command lines can be cool after all.

It’s not going well.

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#688616

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 4/3/2025 3:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Let’s just say, it’s not Linux trying desperately to become more like
>>> Windows, it’s Microsoft desperately trying to make Windows more like
>>> Linux.
>>
>> Microsoft copies "features", it does not particularly care where
>> they come from.
> 
> Microsoft is stuck in a bind. After years, decades, of conditioning its
> users to be allergic to the command line, now suddenly it has to reverse
> course and admit that command lines can be cool after all.
> 
> It’s not going well.
> 
bill's place has 17 bathrooms and you say it's not going well ,
computers have become the least of their profit making devices

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#688619

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:41:23 -0700, % wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 4/3/2025 3:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let’s just say, it’s not Linux trying desperately to become more like
>>>> Windows, it’s Microsoft desperately trying to make Windows more like
>>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> Microsoft copies "features", it does not particularly care where they
>>> come from.
>> 
>> Microsoft is stuck in a bind. After years, decades, of conditioning its
>> users to be allergic to the command line, now suddenly it has to
>> reverse course and admit that command lines can be cool after all.
>> 
>> It’s not going well.
>> 
> bill's place has 17 bathrooms and you say it's not going well ...

That was built way back when. Microsoft was still referring to Linux as a 
“cancer” at the time. Or maybe even before, when nobody had heard of Linux 
and Microsoft was considered unassailable.

> computers have become the least of their profit making devices

That’s not really a reassurance about the future of Windows though, is it?

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#688623

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 20:38:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Microsoft is stuck in a bind. After years, decades, of conditioning its
> users to be allergic to the command line, now suddenly it has to reverse
> course and admit that command lines can be cool after all.
> 
> It’s not going well.

Windows Terminal is a step in the right direction although the first thing 
I have to do is change the default to cmd rather than PowerShell.

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#688813

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 01:30 this Friday (GMT):
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 20:38:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Microsoft is stuck in a bind. After years, decades, of conditioning its
>> users to be allergic to the command line, now suddenly it has to reverse
>> course and admit that command lines can be cool after all.
>> 
>> It’s not going well.
>
> Windows Terminal is a step in the right direction although the first thing 
> I have to do is change the default to cmd rather than PowerShell.


Agreed, powershell feels different for its own sake, and Windows trying
to push it so hard (like changing the shift-rightclick shortcut to it)
was very annoying.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#688827

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:

> Windows Terminal is a step in the right direction although the first thing 
> I have to do is change the default to cmd rather than PowerShell.

The problem I had with Windows Terminal was that mouse buttons weren't
remappable. At that time the feature had been requested for years, as I
recall, so I looked for other alternatives.

Good thing Konsole is available for Windows these days (via msys2), I
can run zsh and powershell in it. And mouse buttons work sensibly for
copy and paste. And also, it's my favorite terminal for Linux.

I don't mind powershell since it can do way more things than old
cmd. Someone even implemented nc in it which came in handy at one
point. Lots of other scripts around too. I actually updated someone's
"caffeinate" script to work again although that's now built into
Microsoft's Powertoys as well.

But for stuff I know how to do in cmd and not in powershell, I just use
cmd.

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#688857

On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:44:21 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:

> Good thing Konsole is available for Windows these days (via msys2), I
> can run zsh and powershell in it. And mouse buttons work sensibly for
> copy and paste. And also, it's my favorite terminal for Linux.

It is the most powerful terminal emulator, on any platform. Looks like 
Windows Terminal has been trying to copy it lately ... and not quite 
succeeding.

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#688860

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:44:21 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> 
>> Good thing Konsole is available for Windows these days (via msys2), I
>> can run zsh and powershell in it. And mouse buttons work sensibly for
>> copy and paste. And also, it's my favorite terminal for Linux.
> 
> It is the most powerful terminal emulator, on any platform. Looks like
> Windows Terminal has been trying to copy it lately ... and not quite
> succeeding.
> 
no , none of us live in the past anymore

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#688872

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:44:21 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
>
>> Good thing Konsole is available for Windows these days (via msys2), I
>> can run zsh and powershell in it. And mouse buttons work sensibly for
>> copy and paste. And also, it's my favorite terminal for Linux.
>
> It is the most powerful terminal emulator, on any platform. Looks like 
> Windows Terminal has been trying to copy it lately ... and not quite 
> succeeding.

Meh. I'm fine with rxvt-unicode + tmux + cdargs.

-- 
A lady with one of her ears applied
To an open keyhole heard, inside,
Two female gossips in converse free --
The subject engaging them was she.
"I think", said one, "and my husband thinks
That she's a prying, inquisitive minx!"
As soon as no more of it she could hear
The lady, indignant, removed her ear.
"I will not stay," she said with a pout,
"To hear my character lied about!"
		-- Gopete Sherany

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#688639

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

[snip]

> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
> on every user desktop here.

I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them, or that 
make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).

[snip]
-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers
on their knees, with their eyes closed."

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#688642

On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
>> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
>> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
>> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
>> on every user desktop here.
>
>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them

If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
are many ways to do that, some better than others.

>or that 
>make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).

I can't think of an example of that, and I use Win 8 as my primary OS.
I'm not even sure how it would be possible to reliably clickck on
something that is off screen. 

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#688669

On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:19:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

> On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend
>>> below the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space.
>>> Microsoft did not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the
>>> past (perhaps MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see
>>> that happening on every user desktop here.
>>
>>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them
> 
> If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
> some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
> are many ways to do that, some better than others.
 
I'm not talking about the feedback, but movement that happens when you're 
trying to click.

>>or that make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).
> 
> I can't think of an example of that, and I use Win 8 as my primary OS.
> I'm not even sure how it would be possible to reliably clickck on
> something that is off screen.

It's been awhile since I used Windows 8 (note hat I said 8.0 not 8.1), but 
I do remember having to click off the screen for some things. IIRC, that 
was changed in 8.1.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It cannot be too often repeated, that truth scorns the assistance of
miracle." [Robert G. Ingersoll]

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