Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.os.linux.advocacy > #685771 > unrolled thread

Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored

Back to article view | Back to comp.os.linux.advocacy

Contents

  Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 22:58 -0500
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:10 +0000
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-13 03:50 -0500
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:07 +0100
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:16 -0500
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:50 +0100
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 10:30 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:46 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:51 +0100
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 03:22 -0500
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:36 +0100
                      Motivation of High Performing People Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 14:56 +0000
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:53 +0000
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:38 +0100
                      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
                        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:51 +0100
                          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 21:02 +0000
                    Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 15:01 +0000
                      Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 15:52 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-15 13:18 -0500
                          Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-15 17:23 -0600
                            Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:37 -0500
                            Re: Musk et al. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:00 +0000
                          Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:40 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 +0000
                          Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:45 +1000
                            Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:28 +1000
                          Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:42 +0100
                            Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:33 -0600
                              Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:47 +0000
                                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 15:18 +0100
                                  Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:41 +1000
                                    Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:40 +0100
                                      Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:31 +0100
                                          Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 21:38 +0000
                                            Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:40 +0100
                                              [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 13:30 +0000
                                                Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 22:35 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 16:42 -0500
                                                    Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 15:22 -0700
                                          Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 22:09 +0000
                                    Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 09:10 -0600
                                      Re: Musk et al. Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-17 16:54 +0100
                                      Re: Musk et al. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 13:29 -0600
                              Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:57 -0500
                                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 09:13 -0600
                            Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:27 +1000
                              Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:45 +0100
                                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-17 12:54 +0000
                                  Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0100
                                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 10:28 -0600
                                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-18 07:27 +1000
                                  Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:38 +0100
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:34 +0000
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:43 +0000
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:24 +0000
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 02:54 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:35 -0500
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:53 +0100
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:40 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:39 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:45 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:45 +0000
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 11:37 -0600
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:50 +0100
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:37 +0100
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:45 +0100
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-13 10:08 -0500
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 22:02 +0000
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:05 +0100
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 22:08 +0000
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:42 +0100
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-13 16:36 -0600
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:32 -0500
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:51 +0100
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored usuario3@esware.naleco.com (Usuario Tres ESware) - 2025-02-16 21:03 +0100
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-02-14 11:32 -0500

Page 2 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 5  Next page →

#685960 — Re: Musk et al.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>In fact, at this time he is being lead around by far smarter people.

At least they are smart and working for a better America.  Far better
than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.

That fscking creep called people "white supremacists" for voting
Republican.  That fscking creep censored free speech.  That fscking
creep opened our borders to the dregs of the Earth.  That fscking
creep sought to make our country weak while China laughs and builds
hundreds of more coal plants.  That fscking creep advocated for the
castration and mutilation of confused children.

I could go on.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#685979 — Re: Musk et al.

On 2025-02-15 6:23 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> In fact, at this time he is being lead around by far smarter people.
> 
> At least they are smart and working for a better America.  Far better
> than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.
> 
> That fscking creep called people "white supremacists" for voting
> Republican.  That fscking creep censored free speech.  That fscking
> creep opened our borders to the dregs of the Earth.  That fscking
> creep sought to make our country weak while China laughs and builds
> hundreds of more coal plants.  That fscking creep advocated for the
> castration and mutilation of confused children.
> 
> I could go on.
> 

+1.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage/
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#685993 — Re: Musk et al.

On 2025-02-15, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>In fact, at this time he is being lead around by far smarter people.
>
> At least they are smart and working for a better America.  Far better
> than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.

True.
America can no longer be the bottomless piggy bank for the rest of
the world and all of these money wasting programs like LBGT comic books
and trans plays in Ireland.

> That fscking creep called people "white supremacists" for voting
> Republican.  That fscking creep censored free speech.  That fscking
> creep opened our borders to the dregs of the Earth.  That fscking
> creep sought to make our country weak while China laughs and builds
> hundreds of more coal plants.  That fscking creep advocated for the
> castration and mutilation of confused children.

Wow!
Spot on chrisv.
Joe Biden via his puppet masters have done some major destruction to the US.
At this point we need some MAJOR adjustment to government and who/what we
are funding with taxpayer's money.
Surgical strikes will not work as most of the system is corrupt, overmanned and
funding left wing garbage all over the planet.

Time to level set and determine what is in AMERICA'S best interest instead
of some left wing organization operating under the cloak of some other
semi legit organization.

Clean house and start anew is the only way.


> I could go on.

Same.
The Internet is not large enough to store it all :)


-- 
pothead

Why did Joe Biden pardon his family?
Read below to learn the reason.
The Biden Crime Family Timeline here:
https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686107 — Re: Musk et al.

On 15/02/2025 18:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Learn? He won't ever.
> 
> In fact, at this time he is being lead around by far smarter people.
> You can see it in his face. Even Musk's kid dissed him.
> 
>> But he can always  run away to Russia, who it is alleged have all the
>> goods on him they need.
> Trump being gone would be nice (nice not to see his face and hear his
> drivel), but he's merely a symbol at this point, in my opinion.
> 
Dunno.
So much confusion and misdirection its hard to know what is really 
happening and if any of it is in fact planned at all.

> Anyway, I agree with most of what you say, though much much more could
> be said.

No point in saying much

-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#685944 — Re: Musk et al.

On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> It is amazing how fast Trump et al are Making America Small,
>>> contemptible and entirely without honour on the world stage.
>>> Heading for N Korean status.
 
On 15/02/2025 15:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> Sadly, that is the Truth. And it is terrifying to watch from within.
>> But I am surprised to hear that from you. I thought you would
>> like his libertarian smoke screen?

On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I am a total libertarian. I agree strongly with his *avowed* stance on 
> free speech, wokery, asian immigration, and pseudo solutions to the 
> climate change bogey man. If applied in the USA.
>
> But whether he believes any of it at all, is open to question.

I am relieved to hear that and I share our contempt for hyprocricy in
leaders. In my book, a proven hypocrite can no longer be trusted. At all
and in any situation. A man is as good as his word, and if the word is
no good, neither is the man.

I can respect a man (or woman) with whom I have an honest disagreement,
even if the disagreement is about goals and values. So long as (s)he is
honest, we can search for smaller (tactical) goals we can agree on, and
find common ground. But a liar and a cheater, whose word is no good, I
cannot see how I can work with. At all.

> And he has no right, other than 'because I can' to piss all over 
> Ukraine, Gaza, Canada, Europe, Britain and of course Greenland at the 
> same time as saying that he isn't interested in other countries at all 
> and is solely working for the USA.

Exactly.

> In fact at this point in time he appears to be working for Russia.
>
> If he wants to isolate the USA and stand alone when China attacks, that 
> is his prerogative. The USA has all it needs to survive alone.  Just poorer.
>
> But as we have learnt with Putin, it now seems that any international 
> treaty that a nation signs up to with the USA will be reneged upon as 
> soon as it suits America.
> People will take their business out of dollars and put it in sterling or 
> the Euro. Dealings with the USA will be strictly cash up front. They 
> will think twice about buying US military kit that comes with a 'does 
> not work in Russia' sticker on it. They will avoid Boeing altogether 
> after yet another debacle ...
>
> The transition from ally to fair weather friend, only when it suits 
> Trump, will result in loss of airbases all over Europe and the 
> impossibility of carrying out middle eastern Air strikes. What's that? 
> but we have signed contracts for the leases? We have! but it seems that 
> defence contracts signed with the USA are no longer fit to wipe your 
> bottom on.
>
> Another 911? Of course British intelligence will know about it, but the 
> USA doesn't need British intelligence does it? Or Canadian, Australian...
>
> No man is an island. Nor is any country.
>
> Yer Grand Fart has a bit to learn.
>
> But he can always  run away to Russia, who it is alleged have all the 
> goods on him they need.

As I said, watching from the inside as my adopted country is falling
apart is heartbreaking.

And seeing how fast the Republican party has collapsed, is truly scary.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#685948 — Re: Musk et al.

In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> It is amazing how fast Trump et al are Making America Small,
>>>> contemptible and entirely without honour on the world stage.
>>>> Heading for N Korean status.
> On 15/02/2025 15:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> Sadly, that is the Truth. And it is terrifying to watch from within.
>>> But I am surprised to hear that from you. I thought you would
>>> like his libertarian smoke screen?
> On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I am a total libertarian. I agree strongly with his *avowed* stance on 
>> free speech, wokery, asian immigration, and pseudo solutions to the 
>> climate change bogey man. If applied in the USA.
>>
>> But whether he believes any of it at all, is open to question.
> 
> I am relieved to hear that and I share our contempt for hyprocricy in
> leaders. In my book, a proven hypocrite can no longer be trusted.

I'm convinced that hypocrisy is a direct bi-product of democracy,
and leading a democracy demonstrates someone's true mastry of
hypocrisy as an art form, above any other skill they may posess.

Unfortunately Trump doesn't seem to posess very many other skills.

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686108 — Re: Musk et al.

On 15/02/2025 21:45, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> I'm convinced that hypocrisy is a direct bi-product of democracy,
> and leading a democracy demonstrates someone's true mastry of
> hypocrisy as an art form, above any other skill they may posess.
> 
> Unfortunately Trump doesn't seem to possess very many other skills.

He isnt very good at hypocrisy either.
It's very akin to the UK., the populace turned on a bunch of mealy 
mouthed socialists who called themselves conservatives and booted them out

NOW what is in play is unbelievably EVEN WORSE.

-- 
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your 
oppressors."
      - George Orwell

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#685947 — Re: Musk et al.

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> The transition from ally to fair weather friend, only when it suits 
> Trump, will result in loss of airbases all over Europe and the 
> impossibility of carrying out middle eastern Air strikes.

There's a win.

> Another 911?

Not if the USA will now finally stop meddling idiotically in other
countries. Except Trump seems to be as easily manipulated by
Benjamin Netanyahu as Biden was, so maybe not.

> Of course British intelligence will know about it, but the 
> USA doesn't need British intelligence does it? Or Canadian, Australian...
> 
> No man is an island. Nor is any country.

With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all
the way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies
will be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info
they get on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a
stuff about the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal
to sell us nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until
after he's long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died
of old age by then).

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686033 — Re: Musk et al.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
> might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all
> the way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies
> will be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info
> they get on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a
> stuff about the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal
> to sell us nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until
> after he's long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died
> of old age by then).

Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world, that
australia is turning into a surveillance state?

Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is a new
global trend that caught on after corona?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686058 — Re: Musk et al.

D wrote:

>Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world, that
>australia is turning into a surveillance state?
>
>Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is a new
>global trend that caught on after corona?

Same for the UK.  In recent news:

"UK: Encryption order threatens global privacy rights
 
The United Kingdom government’s order to Apple to allow security
authorities access to encrypted cloud data severely harms the privacy
rights of users in the UK and worldwide, Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch said today."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/uk-encryption-order-threatens-global-privacy-rights/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686066 — Re: Musk et al.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> D wrote:
> 
> >Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world,
> >that australia is turning into a surveillance state?
> >
> >Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is
> >a new global trend that caught on after corona?
> >
>
> Same for the UK.  In recent news:
> 
> "UK: Encryption order threatens global privacy rights
>  
> The United Kingdom government's order to Apple to allow security
> authorities access to encrypted cloud data severely harms the privacy
> rights of users in the UK and worldwide, Amnesty International and
> Human Rights Watch said today."
> 
> <https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/uk-encryption-order-threatens-global-privacy-rights/>
>

IMO we in the UK are going along with that as proxy for the Merkins, 
their TLAs being precluded from spying directly on their own citizens.
It's well known that the NSA, CIA, DHS, etc. have a hot line to GCHQ 
and info is regularly shared both ways as a matter of course.  Ditto
with the whole Five* Eyes surveillance group.

* - or however many it is these days.

-- 
^Ï^.    Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS         My pet rock Gordon just is.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686073 — Re: Musk et al.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, Sn!pe wrote:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>
>>> Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world,
>>> that australia is turning into a surveillance state?
>>>
>>> Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is
>>> a new global trend that caught on after corona?
>>>
>>
>> Same for the UK.  In recent news:
>>
>> "UK: Encryption order threatens global privacy rights
>>
>> The United Kingdom government's order to Apple to allow security
>> authorities access to encrypted cloud data severely harms the privacy
>> rights of users in the UK and worldwide, Amnesty International and
>> Human Rights Watch said today."
>>
>> <https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/uk-encryption-order-threatens-global-privacy-rights/>
>>
>
> IMO we in the UK are going along with that as proxy for the Merkins,
> their TLAs being precluded from spying directly on their own citizens.
> It's well known that the NSA, CIA, DHS, etc. have a hot line to GCHQ
> and info is regularly shared both ways as a matter of course.  Ditto
> with the whole Five* Eyes surveillance group.
>
> * - or however many it is these days.

This is the truth! A very convenient way to game the system. I would vote 
against it, if I could, and if I were not against voting. ;)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686119 — Re: Musk et al.

In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, Sn!pe wrote:
>> IMO we in the UK are going along with that as proxy for the Merkins,
>> their TLAs being precluded from spying directly on their own citizens.
>> It's well known that the NSA, CIA, DHS, etc. have a hot line to GCHQ
>> and info is regularly shared both ways as a matter of course.  Ditto
>> with the whole Five* Eyes surveillance group.
>>
>> * - or however many it is these days.
> 
> This is the truth! A very convenient way to game the system. I would vote 
> against it, if I could, and if I were not against voting. ;)

I've been voting against it for years in Aus. Annoyingly at the
last federal election the rules for political parties were changed
which meant the parties most opposed to such things were all too
small to be included, so I couldn't even vote for them anymore!

What's the good of democracy if you can't even con yourself into
thinking you're doing something to oppose things you don't want
the government to do by voting against them? No wonder fringe
groups are getting more radical if democracy here won't even let
them in anymore.

It's enough to make me want to move, but to where? To where?
Certainly not to the USA, they're worse again.

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686141 — Re: Musk et al.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> IMO we in the UK are going along with that as proxy for the Merkins,
>>> their TLAs being precluded from spying directly on their own citizens.
>>> It's well known that the NSA, CIA, DHS, etc. have a hot line to GCHQ
>>> and info is regularly shared both ways as a matter of course.  Ditto
>>> with the whole Five* Eyes surveillance group.
>>>
>>> * - or however many it is these days.
>>
>> This is the truth! A very convenient way to game the system. I would vote
>> against it, if I could, and if I were not against voting. ;)
>
> I've been voting against it for years in Aus. Annoyingly at the
> last federal election the rules for political parties were changed
> which meant the parties most opposed to such things were all too
> small to be included, so I couldn't even vote for them anymore!
>
> What's the good of democracy if you can't even con yourself into
> thinking you're doing something to oppose things you don't want
> the government to do by voting against them? No wonder fringe
> groups are getting more radical if democracy here won't even let
> them in anymore.

This is the truth! I lost all hope in humanity after corona. Haven't voted 
since, since all countries on the planet, more or less, shat on all human 
rights, laws and protection in unison, and never even acknowledged it. So 
I'm out of the democracy circus for the moment.

You can join my new radical party if you want! Welcome to the 
Peoples Libertarian Liberation Front! Get one free AR-15 upon joining! ;)

> It's enough to make me want to move, but to where? To where?
> Certainly not to the USA, they're worse again.

Red, rural and bible-thumping US. It is my belief, that if you stick to 
rural areas in the US, the surveillance will be a minimum. Other areas 
I've considered are switzerland (the southern italien part), 
liechtenstein, the channel islands, the isle of man.

If you are of a socialist bent, iceland could also be a small, more or 
less forgotten place, in the middle of nowhere. =)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686168 — Re: Musk et al.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> It's enough to make me want to move, but to where? To where?
>> Certainly not to the USA, they're worse again.

On 2025-02-17, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> Red, rural and bible-thumping US. It is my belief, that if you stick to 
> rural areas in the US, the surveillance will be a minimum. Other areas 
> I've considered are switzerland (the southern italien part), 
> liechtenstein, the channel islands, the isle of man.
>
> If you are of a socialist bent, iceland could also be a small, more or 
> less forgotten place, in the middle of nowhere. =)

But will Iceland grant you residency?

Iceland is in Schengen, so you can visit (it's a "domestic flight" from
Frankfurt or Copenhagen). And a bit of Googling teaches me that EU and
EFTA citizens can live in Iceland without a visa.

Non-EU, non-Scandinavians ... not so easy. 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686192 — Re: Musk et al.

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> It's enough to make me want to move, but to where? To where?
>>> Certainly not to the USA, they're worse again.
>
> On 2025-02-17, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> Red, rural and bible-thumping US. It is my belief, that if you stick to
>> rural areas in the US, the surveillance will be a minimum. Other areas
>> I've considered are switzerland (the southern italien part),
>> liechtenstein, the channel islands, the isle of man.
>>
>> If you are of a socialist bent, iceland could also be a small, more or
>> less forgotten place, in the middle of nowhere. =)
>
> But will Iceland grant you residency?
>
> Iceland is in Schengen, so you can visit (it's a "domestic flight" from
> Frankfurt or Copenhagen). And a bit of Googling teaches me that EU and
> EFTA citizens can live in Iceland without a visa.

Not only is there Schengen, there is also a nordic treaty which name 
escapes me for the moment, which makes it super easy for scandinavians to 
move around, and it also covers iceland I think. I do know plenty of 
icelanders move to scandinavia since they are bored with iceland.

> Non-EU, non-Scandinavians ... not so easy.

Hmm, yes, could be more difficult, but since you are danish by birth, and 
perhaps still have your citizenship, I think it should be pretty easy for 
you to relocate to iceland. For your daughter... difficult to say.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686193 — Re: Musk et al.

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> Hmm, yes, could be more difficult, but since you are danish by birth, and
> perhaps still have your citizenship, I think it should be pretty easy for
> you to relocate to iceland. For your daughter... difficult to say.
>

My ex-wife is Danish, I am British.  When we were first married she
looked into taking dual nationality.  Although the UK permits that,
Denmark did not so she retained her Danish nationality and remained 
in England on a spousal visa.

-- 
^Ï^.    Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS         My pet rock Gordon just is.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686203 — Re: Musk et al.

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, Sn!pe wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, yes, could be more difficult, but since you are danish by birth, and
>> perhaps still have your citizenship, I think it should be pretty easy for
>> you to relocate to iceland. For your daughter... difficult to say.
>>
>
> My ex-wife is Danish, I am British.  When we were first married she
> looked into taking dual nationality.  Although the UK permits that,
> Denmark did not so she retained her Danish nationality and remained
> in England on a spousal visa.

Ahh... so it should be easy for her to move to iceland too! ;) Why did you 
choose to go separate ways? Danish people have a great, politically 
incorrect, sense of humor. I dare say, probably the best humour in the 
world (pun intended!). ;)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686211 — [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.)

[subject amended]

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

[Sn!pe]
> > My ex-wife is Danish, I am British.  When we were first married she
> > looked into taking dual nationality.  Although the UK permits that,
> > Denmark did not so she retained her Danish nationality and remained
> > in England on a spousal visa.
> 
> Ahh... so it should be easy for her to move to iceland too! ;) Why did you
> choose to go separate ways? Danish people have a great, politically 
> incorrect, sense of humor. I dare say, probably the best humour in the
> world (pun intended!). ;)             <~~~~[ * ]

She did some things that I simply could not swallow and having 
come to that I found that I really didn't like her, let alone love her
anymore.  I had thought that I'd found true love -- I hadn't, I was
fooling myself.  True love came later with my second wife.  I'm 
very glad to say that that torch is still burning brightly after thirty
years.  We are living proof that there ~is~ life after divorce. 


[ * ]  ITYF that Grøn Tuborg or (at a push) Carlsberg "Hof" both knock
Heineken into a cocked hat; besides, Heineken's Dutch, not Dansk.

-- 
^Ï^.    Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS         My pet rock Gordon just is.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#686219 — Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.)

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Tue, 18 Feb 2025, Sn!pe wrote:

> [subject amended]
>
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
> [Sn!pe]
>>> My ex-wife is Danish, I am British.  When we were first married she
>>> looked into taking dual nationality.  Although the UK permits that,
>>> Denmark did not so she retained her Danish nationality and remained
>>> in England on a spousal visa.
>>
>> Ahh... so it should be easy for her to move to iceland too! ;) Why did you
>> choose to go separate ways? Danish people have a great, politically
>> incorrect, sense of humor. I dare say, probably the best humour in the
>> world (pun intended!). ;)             <~~~~[ * ]
>
> She did some things that I simply could not swallow and having
> come to that I found that I really didn't like her, let alone love her
> anymore.  I had thought that I'd found true love -- I hadn't, I was
> fooling myself.  True love came later with my second wife.  I'm
> very glad to say that that torch is still burning brightly after thirty
> years.  We are living proof that there ~is~ life after divorce.

This is the truth! I ended a 12 years relationship without beeing married. 
It was for all intents and purposes like being married, and was extremely 
painful.

The second attempt, the one to whom I'm married, has so far been much, 
much better.

Life and relationships are much easier to understand when seen in the rear 
view mirror.

>
> [ * ]  ITYF that Grøn Tuborg or (at a push) Carlsberg "Hof" both knock
> Heineken into a cocked hat; besides, Heineken's Dutch, not Dansk.

I don't like Heineken. Tuborg and Carlsberg are much better "average" 
beers.

On a warm summer day I prefer corona, or a kriek. For serious beer 
drinking and enjoyment, I prefer belgian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 2 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 5  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.os.linux.advocacy

csiph-web