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| Started by | Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> |
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| First post | 2015-09-12 19:49 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-09-16 13:44 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 358 — 40 participants |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 13:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:33 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lehman <drlehman022@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:46 +0100
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:59 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Dr. John Grubor" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 20:08 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:48 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 03:56 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:26 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 10:02 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 16:50 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 11:53 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 09:18 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 09:34 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 19:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 13:01 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 20:04 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:14 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 14:19 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 21:26 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 00:35 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 22:44 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:03 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 01:16 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:25 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 10:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 14:27 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 07:42 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:50 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:17 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:19 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:00 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 09:58 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:18 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:03 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:34 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 21:00 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:48 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:01 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:33 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:29 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 10:20 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 12:36 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 10:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:31 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:13 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:20 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-26 14:30 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 21:01 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-26 14:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 22:03 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-16 18:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:33 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 11:42 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:15 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 02:55 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-20 17:37 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-20 18:55 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2015-09-21 08:35 -0300
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:25 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 11:33 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 14:46 -0400
Where are Micheal Glasser's quotes? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:56 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 12:24 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:09 +0100
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 01:11 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-12 22:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:00 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:28 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Dr. John Grubor" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 20:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 23:15 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-14 21:44 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.org.invalid> - 2015-09-14 23:44 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:11 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 20:59 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-12 22:56 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:42 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:00 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:51 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:22 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:46 -0300
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:04 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-09-12 16:49 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:02 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:54 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2015-09-13 14:29 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Euclides Zoto <euclides_zoto@optimum.net> - 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-20 15:20 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 14:16 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 15:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:49 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:26 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 12:06 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2015-09-14 12:16 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-14 14:42 -0300
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:33 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-14 20:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:42 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:55 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:46 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:26 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 17:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:03 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:11 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-15 14:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 13:53 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:59 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-26 14:34 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:54 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 08:42 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:10 +0000
dizum coward's post deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 12:54 -0500
Re: chrisv loses argument, resorts to vandalism, snicker. Re: dizum coward's post deleted, unread "P.M." <pm@example.com> - 2015-09-18 01:16 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-18 12:04 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 13:13 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 20:08 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-15 15:18 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 19:20 +0000
Turdv is just retarded, so filter out this potty mouth villain. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:22 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:15 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:14 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> - 2015-09-13 15:32 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-13 18:54 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:50 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:15 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 20:26 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:42 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:43 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-15 06:14 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:27 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-15 14:45 -0300
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:36 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 07:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 05:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 14:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:36 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:28 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:40 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 21:55 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:30 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-15 15:15 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-15 16:54 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 12:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 12:30 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:55 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:09 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 09:51 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-16 11:03 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 11:46 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:52 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-17 07:56 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:10 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:13 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:17 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:25 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:45 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:18 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 18:27 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 18:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:37 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 18:59 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 00:04 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:16 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 14:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-16 17:46 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:25 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:41 +0000
Chrisv is a worthless advocate. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:15 -0600
Re: Chrisv is a worthless advocate. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 19:30 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:14 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 13:24 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:12 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 06:05 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 03:57 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 13:33 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 07:47 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:21 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 08:05 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-17 08:14 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 10:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 17:28 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 13:00 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 15:09 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:09 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 19:02 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 02:19 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 09:21 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:08 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:25 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 08:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:52 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 11:04 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 22:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 11:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:20 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-21 05:49 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-21 03:16 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 20:59 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 19:05 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-21 21:09 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-18 12:30 -0300
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:32 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:30 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 15:50 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:41 -0700
There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 01:40 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:33 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-22 10:34 -0300
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:44 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:54 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-22 10:52 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 12:44 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 10:21 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-22 09:35 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:39 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:56 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:25 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-09-22 16:28 +0200
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2015-09-22 15:45 +0100
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 10:38 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 12:54 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 16:41 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:09 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 20:58 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2015-09-23 09:16 -0300
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-27 03:38 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-27 12:14 +0200
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-27 07:05 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 02:14 +0200
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 07:09 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:53 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:26 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:44 -0300
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 16:06 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:17 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:07 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:23 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:07 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:06 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:21 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-25 12:21 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 18:01 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.org.invalid> - 2015-09-26 00:20 +0000
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-25 17:36 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:42 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 18:56 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-22 20:57 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-09-23 11:39 +0100
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 07:03 -0500
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 18:20 +0000
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-23 11:44 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 15:43 -0400
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-23 12:47 -0700
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 14:29 -0600
Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-23 19:39 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-09-28 17:33 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:25 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:54 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:17 -0700
Chris Ahlstrom is a lin-troll and hypocrite. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:08 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:43 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:29 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:16 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:07 -0500
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:10 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 11:58 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 20:41 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 13:41 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 22:45 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 14:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 16:46 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 09:41 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:41 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:35 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 09:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 09:53 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 14:49 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:43 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-21 17:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 23:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 19:56 +0100
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 04:46 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 10:49 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:52 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:05 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:05 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 21:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:01 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 11:16 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:18 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:52 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:44 -0600
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 20:11 -0400
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:41 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 09:52 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 15:32 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-16 17:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Arc Futahito <futahito.arc@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 13:44 -0700
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| From | GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-09-14 11:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <t4adnSkrFOZgm2rInZ2dnUU7-W-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #320584 |
On 09/13/15 13:12, Cola Zealot wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 13:48:05 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: >> >>> On 09/12/15 11:49, Jeremy Bentham wrote: >>>> The saga continues. >>>> >>>> Following news that Windows 10 automatically downloads onto Windows 7 >>>> and Windows 8 for users who choose to upgrade, >>>> Microsoft MSFT +0.00% has now confirmed it has taken things one serious >>>> step further: Windows 10 will now download on computers even when users >>>> chose NOT to upgrade. >>>> >>>> This somewhat shocking development was discovered by The Inquirer when >>>> a reader reported Windows 10 had been downloaded onto their computer >>>> despite the fact they expressly declined the opportunity to upgrade: >>>> >>>> “The symptoms are repeated failed ‘Upgrade to Windows 10' in the WU >>>> update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled >>>> ‘$Windows.~BT’,” the reader explained. “I thought Microsoft [said] this >>>> ‘upgrade’ was optional. If so, why is it being pushed out to so many >>>> computers where it wasn’t reserved, and why does it try to install over >>>> and over again? >>>> >>>> He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered >>>> connections went over their data cap for August because of this >>>> unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week >>>> or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to >>>> it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the >>>> computer is booted.” >>>> >>>> Microsoft Confirms New Policy >>>> >>>> Astonishingly this is not a one-off error. Speaking to The Inquirer, >>>> Microsoft confirmed this is now something they are doing to all >>>> computers running Windows 7 and Windows 8: >>>> >>>> “For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>> Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by >>>> downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade. When the >>>> upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 >>>> on the device,” said a Microsoft spokesperson. >>>> >>>> Now let’s be clear here: with regards to Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>> “individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>> Windows Update” is essentially everyone. >>>> >>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 3-6GB >>>> silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found >>>> at: C:\$windows.~BT >>>> >>>> Note this is a hidden folder so to view it you need to open File >>>> Explorer and go to: Organize> Folder Options> View> Show hidden >>>> files, folders, and drives. >>>> >>>> The Fall Out >>>> >>>> So what to make of this? Quite frankly, while opinions remain divided >>>> over Windows 10’s forced updates, for Microsoft to presumptuously take >>>> a substantial chunk of every Windows 7 and Windows 8 user’s storage >>>> (and data allowance) downloading Windows 10 even if they specifically >>>> state they do not want to upgrade is a big step too far. >>>> >>>> Personally I cannot see what Microsoft is trying to achieve here. When >>>> a user wants Windows 10 they will expect a large download to begin and >>>> there to be some waiting time. But Microsoft downloading Windows 10 >>>> anyway just to skip this wait for users who don’t want Windows 10 is >>>> complete madness. >>>> >>>> So what are your options… >>>> >>>> What To Do >>>> >>>> For those determined not to have their hard drive storage space and/or >>>> Internet data allowance wasted by Windows 10, the options are limited. >>>> >>>> The most drastic step is to disable Windows Update completely, >>>> but I would not recommend it as you are then trapped in a manual cycle >>>> of vetting every update to keep your computer update and secure. >>>> >>>> Meanwhile the alternative for those who have already had Windows 10 >>>> downloaded on their systems is simply to delete the C:\$windows folder. >>>> Then again Microsoft has not disclosed whether it will simply start >>>> downloading it again! >>>> >>>> I have reached out to Microsoft for further clarification here and will >>>> update the post when/if the company responds. >>>> >>>> In the meantime we are fast seeing Microsoft approach a dangerous >>>> crossing. It has already released updates on Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>> which add detailed user tracking akin to Windows 10 and now it is >>>> downloading Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8 computers computers >>>> whether users want it or not. >>>> >>>> Microsoft needs to be very careful. It took decades to build up user >>>> trust, but now it risks tearing everything down in just a few months… >>>> >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft- >>>> confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8/ >>>> >>> That's rather odd... I have win7 and it hasn't downloaded win10 yet. >>> Nor was it forced upon me. >> >> >> Wasn't forced on any of my boxes either. >> > Me too, I installed / upgrade Win 10 on a few old boxes using the > MediaCreationToolx64.exe > The Win 10 Update, KB3035583, is an optional update, I've seen it > because I have updates set to "Let me look at them first". > I do not need KB3035583, so nothing was forced upon me. > I've set mine the same way. There is nothing wrong with win7 for my uses. I kept the win7 hard drive in a safe place till I need to do any software changes to a project I delivered a couple of years ago. I bought a new hard drive and now using Solaris and find that it is actually faster than linux, plus it has system self fixing capabilities that linux just doesn't have. Fun to use, but it is very easy to swap out the drives and boot into win7 when I want to. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
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| From | Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-22 19:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mtsq2u$d30$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #320584 |
On 9/13/2015 2:12 PM, Cola Zealot wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 13:48:05 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: >> >>> On 09/12/15 11:49, Jeremy Bentham wrote: >>>> The saga continues. >>>> >>>> Following news that Windows 10 automatically downloads onto Windows 7 >>>> and Windows 8 for users who choose to upgrade, >>>> Microsoft MSFT +0.00% has now confirmed it has taken things one serious >>>> step further: Windows 10 will now download on computers even when users >>>> chose NOT to upgrade. >>>> >>>> This somewhat shocking development was discovered by The Inquirer when >>>> a reader reported Windows 10 had been downloaded onto their computer >>>> despite the fact they expressly declined the opportunity to upgrade: >>>> >>>> “The symptoms are repeated failed ‘Upgrade to Windows 10' in the WU >>>> update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled >>>> ‘$Windows.~BT’,” the reader explained. “I thought Microsoft [said] this >>>> ‘upgrade’ was optional. If so, why is it being pushed out to so many >>>> computers where it wasn’t reserved, and why does it try to install over >>>> and over again? >>>> >>>> He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered >>>> connections went over their data cap for August because of this >>>> unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week >>>> or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to >>>> it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the >>>> computer is booted.” >>>> >>>> Microsoft Confirms New Policy >>>> >>>> Astonishingly this is not a one-off error. Speaking to The Inquirer, >>>> Microsoft confirmed this is now something they are doing to all >>>> computers running Windows 7 and Windows 8: >>>> >>>> “For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>> Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by >>>> downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade. When the >>>> upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 >>>> on the device,” said a Microsoft spokesperson. >>>> >>>> Now let’s be clear here: with regards to Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>> “individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>> Windows Update” is essentially everyone. >>>> >>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 3-6GB >>>> silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found >>>> at: C:\$windows.~BT >>>> >>>> Note this is a hidden folder so to view it you need to open File >>>> Explorer and go to: Organize> Folder Options> View> Show hidden >>>> files, folders, and drives. >>>> >>>> The Fall Out >>>> >>>> So what to make of this? Quite frankly, while opinions remain divided >>>> over Windows 10’s forced updates, for Microsoft to presumptuously take >>>> a substantial chunk of every Windows 7 and Windows 8 user’s storage >>>> (and data allowance) downloading Windows 10 even if they specifically >>>> state they do not want to upgrade is a big step too far. >>>> >>>> Personally I cannot see what Microsoft is trying to achieve here. When >>>> a user wants Windows 10 they will expect a large download to begin and >>>> there to be some waiting time. But Microsoft downloading Windows 10 >>>> anyway just to skip this wait for users who don’t want Windows 10 is >>>> complete madness. >>>> >>>> So what are your options… >>>> >>>> What To Do >>>> >>>> For those determined not to have their hard drive storage space and/or >>>> Internet data allowance wasted by Windows 10, the options are limited. >>>> >>>> The most drastic step is to disable Windows Update completely, >>>> but I would not recommend it as you are then trapped in a manual cycle >>>> of vetting every update to keep your computer update and secure. >>>> >>>> Meanwhile the alternative for those who have already had Windows 10 >>>> downloaded on their systems is simply to delete the C:\$windows folder. >>>> Then again Microsoft has not disclosed whether it will simply start >>>> downloading it again! >>>> >>>> I have reached out to Microsoft for further clarification here and will >>>> update the post when/if the company responds. >>>> >>>> In the meantime we are fast seeing Microsoft approach a dangerous >>>> crossing. It has already released updates on Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>> which add detailed user tracking akin to Windows 10 and now it is >>>> downloading Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8 computers computers >>>> whether users want it or not. >>>> >>>> Microsoft needs to be very careful. It took decades to build up user >>>> trust, but now it risks tearing everything down in just a few months… >>>> >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft- >>>> confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8/ >>>> >>> That's rather odd... I have win7 and it hasn't downloaded win10 yet. >>> Nor was it forced upon me. >> >> >> Wasn't forced on any of my boxes either. >> > Me too, I installed / upgrade Win 10 on a few old boxes using the > MediaCreationToolx64.exe > The Win 10 Update, KB3035583, is an optional update, I've seen it > because I have updates set to "Let me look at them first". > I do not need KB3035583, so nothing was forced upon me. It made the evening news that M$ is forcing downloads of Win10. It comes down as a hidden file. My local TV news station said the only way to avoid it is to disable automatic updates. Of course that leaves your current OS vulnerable, something they neglected to mention.
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 09:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mtualv$7rl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #322152 |
On 2015-09-22 8:00 PM, Nobody wrote: > On 9/13/2015 2:12 PM, Cola Zealot wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 13:48:05 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: >>> >>>> On 09/12/15 11:49, Jeremy Bentham wrote: >>>>> The saga continues. >>>>> >>>>> Following news that Windows 10 automatically downloads onto Windows 7 >>>>> and Windows 8 for users who choose to upgrade, >>>>> Microsoft MSFT +0.00% has now confirmed it has taken things one >>>>> serious >>>>> step further: Windows 10 will now download on computers even when >>>>> users >>>>> chose NOT to upgrade. >>>>> >>>>> This somewhat shocking development was discovered by The Inquirer when >>>>> a reader reported Windows 10 had been downloaded onto their computer >>>>> despite the fact they expressly declined the opportunity to upgrade: >>>>> >>>>> “The symptoms are repeated failed ‘Upgrade to Windows 10' in the WU >>>>> update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled >>>>> ‘$Windows.~BT’,” the reader explained. “I thought Microsoft [said] >>>>> this >>>>> ‘upgrade’ was optional. If so, why is it being pushed out to so many >>>>> computers where it wasn’t reserved, and why does it try to install >>>>> over >>>>> and over again? >>>>> >>>>> He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered >>>>> connections went over their data cap for August because of this >>>>> unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week >>>>> or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to >>>>> it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the >>>>> computer is booted.” >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft Confirms New Policy >>>>> >>>>> Astonishingly this is not a one-off error. Speaking to The Inquirer, >>>>> Microsoft confirmed this is now something they are doing to all >>>>> computers running Windows 7 and Windows 8: >>>>> >>>>> “For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>>> Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by >>>>> downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade. When the >>>>> upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 >>>>> on the device,” said a Microsoft spokesperson. >>>>> >>>>> Now let’s be clear here: with regards to Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>>> “individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>>> Windows Update” is essentially everyone. >>>>> >>>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a >>>>> 3-6GB >>>>> silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found >>>>> at: C:\$windows.~BT >>>>> >>>>> Note this is a hidden folder so to view it you need to open File >>>>> Explorer and go to: Organize> Folder Options> View> Show hidden >>>>> files, folders, and drives. >>>>> >>>>> The Fall Out >>>>> >>>>> So what to make of this? Quite frankly, while opinions remain divided >>>>> over Windows 10’s forced updates, for Microsoft to presumptuously take >>>>> a substantial chunk of every Windows 7 and Windows 8 user’s storage >>>>> (and data allowance) downloading Windows 10 even if they specifically >>>>> state they do not want to upgrade is a big step too far. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I cannot see what Microsoft is trying to achieve here. When >>>>> a user wants Windows 10 they will expect a large download to begin and >>>>> there to be some waiting time. But Microsoft downloading Windows 10 >>>>> anyway just to skip this wait for users who don’t want Windows 10 is >>>>> complete madness. >>>>> >>>>> So what are your options… >>>>> >>>>> What To Do >>>>> >>>>> For those determined not to have their hard drive storage space and/or >>>>> Internet data allowance wasted by Windows 10, the options are limited. >>>>> >>>>> The most drastic step is to disable Windows Update completely, >>>>> but I would not recommend it as you are then trapped in a manual cycle >>>>> of vetting every update to keep your computer update and secure. >>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile the alternative for those who have already had Windows 10 >>>>> downloaded on their systems is simply to delete the C:\$windows >>>>> folder. >>>>> Then again Microsoft has not disclosed whether it will simply start >>>>> downloading it again! >>>>> >>>>> I have reached out to Microsoft for further clarification here and >>>>> will >>>>> update the post when/if the company responds. >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime we are fast seeing Microsoft approach a dangerous >>>>> crossing. It has already released updates on Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>>> which add detailed user tracking akin to Windows 10 and now it is >>>>> downloading Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8 computers computers >>>>> whether users want it or not. >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft needs to be very careful. It took decades to build up user >>>>> trust, but now it risks tearing everything down in just a few months… >>>>> >>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft- >>>>> confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8/ >>>>> >>>> That's rather odd... I have win7 and it hasn't downloaded win10 yet. >>>> Nor was it forced upon me. >>> >>> >>> Wasn't forced on any of my boxes either. >>> >> Me too, I installed / upgrade Win 10 on a few old boxes using the >> MediaCreationToolx64.exe >> The Win 10 Update, KB3035583, is an optional update, I've seen it >> because I have updates set to "Let me look at them first". >> I do not need KB3035583, so nothing was forced upon me. > > It made the evening news that M$ is forcing downloads of Win10. It > comes down as a hidden file. My local TV news station said the only way > to avoid it is to disable automatic updates. Of course that leaves > your current OS vulnerable, something they neglected to mention. Except that that is not accurate. Disabling automatic updates doesn't somehow make your system vulnerable since the updates still come. You simply have to go through the process manually rather than trust Microsoft to apply them for you. This is _not at all_ different than what Linux does. -- A.M
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| From | GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 12:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nIednXgxi65gcJ_LnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #322152 |
On 09/22/15 18:00, Nobody wrote: > On 9/13/2015 2:12 PM, Cola Zealot wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 13:48:05 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: >>> >>>> On 09/12/15 11:49, Jeremy Bentham wrote: >>>>> The saga continues. >>>>> >>>>> Following news that Windows 10 automatically downloads onto Windows 7 >>>>> and Windows 8 for users who choose to upgrade, >>>>> Microsoft MSFT +0.00% has now confirmed it has taken things one >>>>> serious >>>>> step further: Windows 10 will now download on computers even when >>>>> users >>>>> chose NOT to upgrade. >>>>> >>>>> This somewhat shocking development was discovered by The Inquirer when >>>>> a reader reported Windows 10 had been downloaded onto their computer >>>>> despite the fact they expressly declined the opportunity to upgrade: >>>>> >>>>> “The symptoms are repeated failed ‘Upgrade to Windows 10' in the WU >>>>> update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled >>>>> ‘$Windows.~BT’,” the reader explained. “I thought Microsoft [said] >>>>> this >>>>> ‘upgrade’ was optional. If so, why is it being pushed out to so many >>>>> computers where it wasn’t reserved, and why does it try to install >>>>> over >>>>> and over again? >>>>> >>>>> He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered >>>>> connections went over their data cap for August because of this >>>>> unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week >>>>> or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to >>>>> it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the >>>>> computer is booted.” >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft Confirms New Policy >>>>> >>>>> Astonishingly this is not a one-off error. Speaking to The Inquirer, >>>>> Microsoft confirmed this is now something they are doing to all >>>>> computers running Windows 7 and Windows 8: >>>>> >>>>> “For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>>> Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by >>>>> downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade. When the >>>>> upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 >>>>> on the device,” said a Microsoft spokesperson. >>>>> >>>>> Now let’s be clear here: with regards to Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>>> “individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through >>>>> Windows Update” is essentially everyone. >>>>> >>>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a >>>>> 3-6GB >>>>> silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found >>>>> at: C:\$windows.~BT >>>>> >>>>> Note this is a hidden folder so to view it you need to open File >>>>> Explorer and go to: Organize> Folder Options> View> Show hidden >>>>> files, folders, and drives. >>>>> >>>>> The Fall Out >>>>> >>>>> So what to make of this? Quite frankly, while opinions remain divided >>>>> over Windows 10’s forced updates, for Microsoft to presumptuously take >>>>> a substantial chunk of every Windows 7 and Windows 8 user’s storage >>>>> (and data allowance) downloading Windows 10 even if they specifically >>>>> state they do not want to upgrade is a big step too far. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I cannot see what Microsoft is trying to achieve here. When >>>>> a user wants Windows 10 they will expect a large download to begin and >>>>> there to be some waiting time. But Microsoft downloading Windows 10 >>>>> anyway just to skip this wait for users who don’t want Windows 10 is >>>>> complete madness. >>>>> >>>>> So what are your options… >>>>> >>>>> What To Do >>>>> >>>>> For those determined not to have their hard drive storage space and/or >>>>> Internet data allowance wasted by Windows 10, the options are limited. >>>>> >>>>> The most drastic step is to disable Windows Update completely, >>>>> but I would not recommend it as you are then trapped in a manual cycle >>>>> of vetting every update to keep your computer update and secure. >>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile the alternative for those who have already had Windows 10 >>>>> downloaded on their systems is simply to delete the C:\$windows >>>>> folder. >>>>> Then again Microsoft has not disclosed whether it will simply start >>>>> downloading it again! >>>>> >>>>> I have reached out to Microsoft for further clarification here and >>>>> will >>>>> update the post when/if the company responds. >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime we are fast seeing Microsoft approach a dangerous >>>>> crossing. It has already released updates on Windows 7 and Windows 8 >>>>> which add detailed user tracking akin to Windows 10 and now it is >>>>> downloading Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8 computers computers >>>>> whether users want it or not. >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft needs to be very careful. It took decades to build up user >>>>> trust, but now it risks tearing everything down in just a few months… >>>>> >>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft- >>>>> confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8/ >>>>> >>>> That's rather odd... I have win7 and it hasn't downloaded win10 yet. >>>> Nor was it forced upon me. >>> >>> >>> Wasn't forced on any of my boxes either. >>> >> Me too, I installed / upgrade Win 10 on a few old boxes using the >> MediaCreationToolx64.exe >> The Win 10 Update, KB3035583, is an optional update, I've seen it >> because I have updates set to "Let me look at them first". >> I do not need KB3035583, so nothing was forced upon me. > > It made the evening news that M$ is forcing downloads of Win10. It comes > down as a hidden file. My local TV news station said the only way to > avoid it is to disable automatic updates. Of course that leaves your > current OS vulnerable, something they neglected to mention. > No it doesn't. I have automatic updates off, but I also have "I'll decide" on. I've yet to get win10 forced on me. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 17:46 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <vp360bp4j9oqkmsnkhtb8s5m4f7487kjk9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #322354 |
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:22:50 -0600, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: >No it doesn't. I have automatic updates off, but I also have "I'll >decide" on. I've yet to get win10 forced on me. OMG, that's dangerous. Microsoft warned us a year ago that the reason people had to "upgrade" from XP was because of the updates. Which are all security, I'm sure. How do you live without automatic security updates ? []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 16:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nKydne3vUZDt7pnLnZ2dnUU7-XWdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #322429 |
On 09/23/15 14:46, Shadow wrote: > On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:22:50 -0600, GreyCloud<cumulus@mist.com> > wrote: > >> No it doesn't. I have automatic updates off, but I also have "I'll >> decide" on. I've yet to get win10 forced on me. > > OMG, that's dangerous. Microsoft warned us a year ago that the > reason people had to "upgrade" from XP was because of the updates. > Which are all security, I'm sure. How do you live without automatic > security updates ? > []'s Easy, I read what the updates are supposed to solve. If they aren't security updates, I don't select them. Quite easy. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
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| From | Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> |
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| Date | 2015-09-12 16:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <21addc02d471e80514a5e375fea9b7d3@remailer.cpunk.us> |
| In reply to | #320258 |
I have had updates turned completely off for over a year now due to all the government and MS spying going on. Never had any (known) problems since. I am not so sure that turning off updates is really such a bad idea. MS had plenty of time to work out any major bugs/security problems during the years W7 was auto updating my machine. I know that new problems can arise, but is there really a bigger problem that MS doing this? I keep all my private data in encrypted files on external drives that are plugged in only when I need to use the data. Programs accessing the data are run in a sandbox.
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| From | GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-12 21:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <c76dncpyMJnSemnInZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #320300 |
On 09/12/15 14:49, Jack Ryan wrote: > I have had updates turned completely off for over a year now due > to all the government and MS spying going on. Never had any > (known) problems since. I am not so sure that turning off updates > is really such a bad idea. MS had plenty of time to work out any > major bugs/security problems during the years W7 was auto updating > my machine. I know that new problems can arise, but is there > really a bigger problem that MS doing this? I keep all my private > data in encrypted files on external drives that are plugged in only > when I need to use the data. > Programs accessing the data are run in a sandbox. > I just set mine updates to "Let me look at them first". I haven't needed any for over a year now, as most are designed to allow win7 update to win10. I'm fine with win7 just the way it is. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
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| From | Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> |
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| Date | 2015-09-12 22:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nPydnRIEnsc6kmjInZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #320300 |
On 09/12/15 13:49, Jack Ryan so wittily quipped: > I have had updates turned completely off for over a year now due > to all the government and MS spying going on. Never had any > (known) problems since. I am not so sure that turning off updates > is really such a bad idea. MS had plenty of time to work out any > major bugs/security problems during the years W7 was auto updating > my machine. I know that new problems can arise, but is there > really a bigger problem that MS doing this? I keep all my private > data in encrypted files on external drives that are plugged in only > when I need to use the data. > Programs accessing the data are run in a sandbox. > that works ok for XP but I prefer to get the updates. SO I turn all "automatic" things off, INCLUDING 'download the update but let me approve it'. it's "manual only" for me. *I* decide when to scan, when to install, and which updates to do it with. The updates in question are generally 'optional' and there's a lot of info going around as to which one. I recently posted this in alt.hacker on 9/1 [note lots of cross-posting on this thread, including AH] along with others before: <quote> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/01/microsoft_backports_data_slurp_to_windows_78_via_patches/ "We recently mused, half seriously, whether the entire point of the Windows 10 upgrade was to harvest your personal information. With Microsoft suffering from a serious case of Google envy, perhaps it felt it had some catching up to do." that definitely seems to be the case, I'd say "All the updates can be removed post-installation – but all ensure the OS reports data to Microsoft even when asked not to, bypassing the hosts file and (hence) third-party privacy tools." same list as before: KB3068708, KB3075249, KB3080149 </quote>
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 14:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <b8kJx.27847$FO.8253@fx22.iad> |
| In reply to | #320300 |
On 09/12/2015 03:49 PM, Jack Ryan wrote: > I have had updates turned completely off for over a year now due > to all the government and MS spying going on. Never had any > (known) problems since. I am not so sure that turning off updates > is really such a bad idea. MS had plenty of time to work out any > major bugs/security problems during the years W7 was auto updating > my machine. I know that new problems can arise, but is there > really a bigger problem that MS doing this? I keep all my private > data in encrypted files on external drives that are plugged in only > when I need to use the data. > Programs accessing the data are run in a sandbox. > And I seldom if ever use MS programs to access the internet (browser, email, media player, FTP, etc...). -- 103 days until the winter celebration (Friday December 25, 2015 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Every one who publishes a blasphemous libel is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years. Criminal Code of Canada sec. 296(1) So, arrest me!"
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| From | Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <88idneP5_JPVR2jInZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #320590 |
On 09/13/15 12:29, Mark Lloyd so wittily quipped: > On 09/12/2015 03:49 PM, Jack Ryan wrote: >> I have had updates turned completely off for over a year now due >> to all the government and MS spying going on. Never had any >> (known) problems since. I am not so sure that turning off updates >> is really such a bad idea. MS had plenty of time to work out any >> major bugs/security problems during the years W7 was auto updating >> my machine. I know that new problems can arise, but is there >> really a bigger problem that MS doing this? I keep all my private >> data in encrypted files on external drives that are plugged in only >> when I need to use the data. >> Programs accessing the data are run in a sandbox. >> > > And I seldom if ever use MS programs to access the internet (browser, > email, media player, FTP, etc...). > a wise practice. "Safe Surfing". also helps NOT to have admin/root level privs of whatever user is running the browser. I actually had some W10 advocates in the 'Insider' program tell me that it was OK now to use an admin user (with IE of course) to surf the internet, telling me that the OS *now* protected you. Then of course, last week, was a WHOLE PILE of vulnerability fixes for every windows release SINCE VISTA (including W10), 2 of which involved PRIVILEGE ELEVATION. Oops. At least one of those *might* have been protected against if you didn't surf the web logged in with admin rights. [and I bet that turning off scripting for all but 'white listed' web sites, like what 'NoScript' does in Firefox, very well might protect you THE REST OF THE WAY - and if I can't surf the site with NoScript enabled, I don't "go there"] "Safe Surfing", yeah. Obvious STD/CONDOM reference is obvious.
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| From | Euclides Zoto <euclides_zoto@optimum.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 |
| Message-ID | <55FDB7F0.AAF1FEEE@optimum.net> |
| In reply to | #320598 |
>snip This was one long thread. What I don't understand is what makes people think MS will change any of their ways? MS will always try to control everything no matter what. EZoto
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| From | Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> |
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| Date | 2015-09-20 15:20 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 |
| Message-ID | <e72dnZGAOKOprGLInZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #321859 |
On 09/19/15 12:30, Euclides Zoto so wittily quipped: >> snip > > This was one long thread. with the crossposting, especially > What I don't understand is what makes people think > MS will change any of their ways? MS will always try to control everything > no matter what. at times they realize how much it hurts their customer relationships with "us customers" to act like big brother or 'the borg' and they occasionally 'get it right' and do the RIGHT thing. Or appear to. but yeah.
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| From | Bubba <Bub@ba> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 14:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6caf544207f5aea3e8590ef95eeea3bb@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #320258 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy
>Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes
>>So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not
>>recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 3-6GB
>>silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found
>>at: C:\$windows.~BT
>
>It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's
>sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download
>"essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and
>there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.
>
>Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future Microsoft
>will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to essential.
And when that's not enough for Micro$py to hijack everyone's
Windows 7 installations, no doubt they'll go from "essential"
to completely forced updates to Win$py 10 without any options
whatsoever, like the "Borg" on StarTrek NG:
"Resistance is futile!"
--
Bub
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| From | Bubba <Bub@ba> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 15:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <67c97ed368b8c4b82048776e82b80693@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #320258 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, chicagofan <me7@privacy.net> wrote: >John Hall wrote: >> In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy >> Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes >>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a >>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be >>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT >> >> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's >> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download >> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and >> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine. >> >> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future >> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to >> essential. >They are working their way there now. :) > >I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for >"optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and >way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions. >I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy, >tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and >turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates. >Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point. > M$ appears to be pulling out all the stops, which means there are two possibilities. They are desperate. They are under the thumbscrews of Big Brother. Maybe both? If M$ doesn't do a one-eighty on this forced version "10" update Micro$py disaster, they're likely to lose more business than they could ever expect to gain from it. >After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll >switch to Linux. >bj I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks, so that might further motivate them to join forces and standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly version that will become very popular among disillusioned, more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users. And PC hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic. -- Bub
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| From | GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <CfSdnZQ5R8IXK2jInZ2dnUU7-dmdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #320477 |
On 09/13/15 07:14, Bubba wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, chicagofan<me7@privacy.net> wrote: > >> John Hall wrote: >>> In message<ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy >>> Bentham<nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes >>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not >>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a >>>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be >>>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT >>> >>> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's >>> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download >>> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and >>> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine. >>> >>> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future >>> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to >>> essential. >> They are working their way there now. :) >> >> I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for >> "optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and >> way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions. >> I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy, >> tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and >> turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates. >> Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point. >> > M$ appears to be pulling out all the stops, which means > there are two possibilities. They are desperate. They > are under the thumbscrews of Big Brother. Maybe both? > If M$ doesn't do a one-eighty on this forced version "10" > update Micro$py disaster, they're likely to lose more > business than they could ever expect to gain from it. > >> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll >> switch to Linux. >> bj > > I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring > this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks, > so that might further motivate them to join forces and > standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly > version that will become very popular among disillusioned, > more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users. And PC > hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from > the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic. > I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet. But it can be done. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
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| From | Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> |
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| Date | 2015-09-13 11:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <u_ednSmVA--lWGjInZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #320537 |
On 09/13/15 10:46, GreyCloud so wittily quipped: >>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll >>> switch to Linux. >>> bj >> >> I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring >> this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks, >> so that might further motivate them to join forces and >> standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly >> version that will become very popular among disillusioned, >> more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users. And PC >> hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from >> the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic. >> > > I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of > standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet. > But it can be done. > Linux is the only serious competitive option (other than Apple, which is for proprietary hardware) aside from Microsoft for desktop and notebook PCs. [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this time, but may in the future...] Don't count out IBM. Microsoft's success was based on MARKETING, and not quality of product. If you can sell ice cubes to Eskimos (I spit in the general direction of political correctness), you can make MS Windows "that much of the market". Microsoft forgot that SOFTWARE made their OS popular. They used to say "developers developers developers developers". but not any more. Now they say "here, developers, is a DUMBED DOWN API - NOW *USE* IT, DAMMIT! Because WE say so!". Happened twice now, ".Not" then "the METRO". 'universal' is a *JOKE*. In the Linux world, however, there aren't *ENOUGH* decent tools. KDE has commercial tools available for Qt, though. Not enough. I started a project [wanted to do my own toolkit for X11] for a PROPER IDE for POSIX systems. Got bogged down in the *LACK* of actual *STANDARDS* for things like the clipboard. It's kinda hackish and ugly. GTK is interesting but clumsy (especially for dialog boxen). wxWidgets is smarter, but kinda piggy (unless you're porting a Windows MFC application, in which case it helps you do it faster). I haven't done much with Qt other than compile it for something else. So yeah there's quite a bit of *FRAGMENTATION* here. And for free software that's a free download, where's the motivation to MARKET IT and provide the necessary 'glue' to get things rolling?
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| From | Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-14 09:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #320574 |
On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
> time, but may in the future...]
>
> Don't count out IBM.
>
Haha haaaa...
Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
'empty suit' organisation. Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
RIP ('Rot in Peace').
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-14 12:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mt6r6s$5h0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #320643 |
On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
>> time, but may in the future...]
>>
>> Don't count out IBM.
>>
>
> Haha haaaa...
>
> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.
> The Chinese make their PCs now
> ('Lenovo')
And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.
> and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
> 'empty suit' organisation. Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
> RIP ('Rot in Peace').
Absolutely. The world of technology will be better once IBM becomes a
distant and ancient memory.
--
A.M
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-14 12:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <CpCJx.49910$Rt1.15425@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #320691 |
On 2015-09-14 12:06, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote: >> >On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote: >> > >>> >> >>> >>[although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this >>> >>time, but may in the future...] >>> >> >>> >>Don't count out IBM. >>> >> >> > >> >Haha haaaa... >> > >> >Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? > A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence. And the basis for Windows NT and its successors. MS had the contract to write OS/2, after version 1 IIRC, MS and IBM split, and each developed the OS further. IBM never did understand the personal computer, and IMO still doesn't. I suspect in both companies internal politics have too much effect on what's developed and how. That always happens when an organisation becomes too large. Now that Jobs is gone, Apple will suffer the same distractions from core purpose. He was a dictator. -- Best, Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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