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Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans
Date	2025-05-01 17:50 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On Thu, 5/1/2025 6:06 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle wrote:
> 
>>
> 
>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
>>
> 
> This is true.
> 
> Anyone who has ever "programmed" with Visual Studio knows that automated
> code generation is present throughout.
> 
> Example.  Invoke a window or other graphical object and a huge mass of code
> is automatically dropped in place.
> 
> Another example.  Write some short statments within ASP.NET and a huge
> mass of javascript appears from nowhere.
> 
> In fact, most "programming" of any kind is simply stringing together standard,
> pre-built modules to achieve an overall goal.
> 
> AI can easily do the same thing.

Actually, it can't. It can do an approximation.

The amount of data used for training, is much much larger
than the size of the model file storage. There isn't room to
store verbatim copies of anything in there. But it is OK for the
AI to spot trends or in a sense, contain a precis of what goes on
within that preamble code.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network_%28machine_learning%29

A long time ago, there were complaints from outside programmers,
about the amount of code required to make a window appear on the screen.
These were programmers who were prolific individuals, they
wrote code like Steven King writes novels. It would take on
the order of "12 pages of code", to open a window. That was
the exaggeration of the difficulty of it.

The inclusion of template code in Visual Studio, is an attempt to
answer that complaint. It does not particularly reduce the code to
nothing, but it does put a copy of it, plus the prototype event handler
loop, into your source. And that's a good thing, for the average
copy/paste programmer (that's me). I think I have one HelloWorld
version here, that consists of nothing more than that template code :-)

It's no problem for the AI to write an equivalent module
(subject to model token limits). The AI training process
will have captured the idea than an HWND is being opened,
and that there is an event loop to make the "monitoring"
facility in Windows happen. If a process does not "eat"
a test event sent to it, then the Windows "busy cursor"
appears which tells you the program is "un-responsive".
As long as the event loop eats events, it is assumed
the program is running OK. Programs quite frequently
appear unresponsive, because the event loop is not
in a run-able state (blocked by some internal activity).
Poorly written programs will show the busy cursor, when
it should not be shown.

   Paul

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Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 17:17 -0400
  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 -0400
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 01:05 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-05-01 07:52 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:56 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:58 +0000
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:16 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 22:04 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:37 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:08 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:31 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:14 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-03 19:59 +1000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 17:54 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:35 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 21:19 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 12:06 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 01:52 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-02 11:02 +0000
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:51 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:55 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:50 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:46 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-01 10:06 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:50 -0400
  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 08:22 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:51 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:49 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:22 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:58 +0000
  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:11 -0500
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 09:00 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:05 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:51 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:51 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:38 +0000
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:11 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 12:35 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:06 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 19:47 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 02:16 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:41 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:01 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:27 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-10 04:33 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 02:24 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 00:37 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 04:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:04 +1000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:08 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:17 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 18:04 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:38 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:39 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:25 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-05 20:22 +1000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:08 +1000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:24 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:49 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:12 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:03 +0000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:41 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-15 21:05 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:46 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 10:33 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:48 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:48 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:39 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:12 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:07 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:52 +0000
  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:55 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:46 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:53 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 13:27 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 10:40 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:33 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:08 +0000

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