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Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

From Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
Date 2025-05-03 10:56 +0000
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On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-05-02 21:02, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-05-02 20:11, Borax Man wrote:
>>>> On 2025-05-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-05-02 11:20, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> < snipped for brevity >
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that Linux would have been adopted faster in the late 90s has
>>>>>>> the Linux zealots at the time not been lying through their teeth and
>>>>>>> claiming that Linux was stable and worked perfectly across the board.
>>>>>>> Most people didn't know a thing about repositories and installing
>>>>>>> software through, didn't understand what open-source was and what its
>>>>>>> benefits could be and definitely weren't open to persevering with the
>>>>>>> operating system when their hardware didn't work the way that it should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that would have made much of a difference.  With lack of
>>>>>> support for hardware, and games, and MS Office, I think they were the
>>>>>> dealbreakers.  I do think they were a bit, not dishonest, but
>>>>>> misleading.  It was said that Linux helped you learn more about the
>>>>>> computer, but in really you learn about Linux, not the computer (at
>>>>>> least not the hardware, that is abstracted away from you).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole "Free Software" thing was also a big misdirect.  You don't get
>>>>>> much freedom from being able to modify and redistribute the modified
>>>>>> source code.  I started using Linux before I knew about this, but this
>>>>>> evangelism was mostly meaningless to people who didn't have the skills
>>>>>> to actually make significant change to the kernel, or any of the
>>>>>> programs.  I felt this "benefit" was just Linux evangelists reaching for
>>>>>> something, and being unaware, by design, of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux (and Unix like systems) actually offer freedom because you have
>>>>>> choices of workflows, of tools, and you are able to compose things
>>>>>> together.  The freedom comes because you can craft your own experience,
>>>>>> NOT because of the GPL.  Too much was made of the GPL being freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> I enjoy the freedom of knowing that the operating system I am running
>>>>> today will run just as well on this machine in five years. People don't
>>>>> realize how refreshing that it until they start realizing how much money
>>>>> they've been spending on technology, trying to keep up over a decade or
>>>>> so. Things become obsolete, but there is no reason for them to be
>>>>> replaced within three years the way that they used to in the 90s. Linux
>>>>> allows us to prevent that from happening.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The desktop I'm typing this message on, I build in 2009.  I have not had
>>>> a need to upgrade, except for a scant few games I would not mind
>>>> playing.  Just a few games, thats it.  Because I don't game, there is no
>>>> other issue, at all, with having this "old" PC.  It runs fine in every
>>>> other way.
>>>>
>>>> This was why when my wife wanted a new Apple, I talked her into a Linux
>>>> box.  WE don't want to be in the situation where software goes obsolete,
>>>> and the new OS cannot be installed anymore.
>>>
>>> That's the kind of life I want to have. Constantly buying new hardware
>>> is just ridiculous, especially since the demands of technology aren't
>>> changing all that much. Web sites are mostly the same today as they were
>>> back then, only video games are becoming increasingly demanding (all the
>>> while not looking any different).
>>>
>>>>>>> I had a lot of luck with the SUSE Linux versions back in the late 90s
>>>>>>> and early 2000s. Tumbleweed was also the first Linux to work perfectly
>>>>>>> on my old MSI for suspend (admittedly, Linux worked perfectly on my old
>>>>>>> AMD-centric Dell laptop in the late 2000s). Windows has always been fine
>>>>>>> for me, but I would also reinstall that thing once every three months or
>>>>>>> so. Even in that short time though, it managed to screw up from an
>>>>>>> update or corrupted system files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could not stand at all, formatting and reinstalling.  I customise my
>>>>>> system, and losing all those settings, those small changes you make,
>>>>>> like that file I added to stop the windows key screwing up the full
>>>>>> screen DOS prompt.  You've got to do them all again, and remember what
>>>>>> you did.  That was one of my top 3 pet peeves that moved me away from
>>>>>> Windows. Perhaps top one.  I very, very rarely reinstall.  One I install
>>>>>> an OS, I expect it to remain until the computer dies.  I've only
>>>>>> reinstalled Linux maybe three times in the last 10 -15 years.  Once to
>>>>>> jump from Fedora 11 to 18 or something, the other two to switch two
>>>>>> computers to Debian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny enough, the one feature I find most useful in Linux is the cursor
>>>>> automatically becoming gigantic if you lose track of it. When I want to
>>>>> highlight a word or a text to kids who see a duplicate of my screen,
>>>>> simply jiggling my mouse around makes the cursor huge. It seems so
>>>>> trivial, but it's a fantastic feature of KDE for teaching. I can manage
>>>>> losing some customization myself, but only because I got used to it from
>>>>> the constant formatting of the 1990s. With age, it is admittedly
>>>>> becoming more of a chore which is partly why I set up Timeshift to
>>>>> ensure that I can keep my desktop running.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last time I had to reinstall a system because it broke was over 20
>>>> years ago.  And when that happened, I probably could have fixed it, but
>>>> I didn't take backups (bad idea!).
>>>>
>>>> My daughter has a laptop for school with Windows 11.  Today its going to
>>>> become a dual boot machine. I'm a little undecided on the distro, either
>>>> Linux Mint, Linux Mint Debian edition or plain Debian.
>>>
>>> She agreed to using Linux? Women are harder to sell on the idea.
>>>
>> 
>> She doesn't know much about computers.  Was an Apple user since
>> childhood, so it was just a habit. She didn't like the fact that the
>> browser broke, because it couldn't be updated, because the OS couldn't
>> be updated.  I said that she can get a new Apple for $$$$ and face the
>> same situation again, but my system, which I built once, runs and runs
>> and runs and stays up to date.  She then left it to me to choose a
>> system which would just work.
>> 
>> As all she does is web browse, and look at photos, and I know how to
>> troubleshoot Linux, and don't know MacOS, I made the decision.  So far
>> so good.  One niggling issue with Plasma detecting false clicks, but the
>> next update (When she lets me install it) should fix it.  Really, if you
>> live entirely in the browser, you don't need the Apple Premium.
>
> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why 
> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the 
> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it 
> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded 
> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one 
> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft 
> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from 
> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane.
>

That was exactly our rationale.  $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a
decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING.  It was a
no-brainer really.

And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter.  She
wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system
worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which
went straight into the game from an icon.  The "How do I" question gets
an answer.

> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you 
> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would 
> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the 
> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps 
> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high 
> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At 
> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine 
> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot 
> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I 
> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time.
>

If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5
years out of a computer these days.  Now with phones, its harder, you
don't have a viable option.

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          Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:16 +0000
            Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 00:50 +0000
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                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:44 +0000
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                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:07 -0400
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                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:13 -0400
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                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:34 +0000
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                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:31 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:53 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:51 -0500
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:33 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:45 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:42 -0500
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 18:51 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 02:26 +0000
                Re: Evolution (was Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:54 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:33 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:56 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:59 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:06 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:27 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:14 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:53 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:01 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:05 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-26 08:15 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 23:03 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:46 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 07:41 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:30 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:51 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:33 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:45 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 08:15 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:35 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:41 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:42 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:40 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:25 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:49 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 18:03 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 20:01 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 16:47 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 06:15 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 09:23 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:21 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:24 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 21:11 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 17:33 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 22:14 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 19:37 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 00:25 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 00:30 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 18:22 -0700
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 08:53 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:54 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 13:28 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:09 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:45 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:31 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 11:41 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:15 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:07 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 21:03 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:56 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:48 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:13 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:51 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 03:49 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:49 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:45 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:27 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:18 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 06:58 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:14 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:41 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:11 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-29 15:26 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 08:56 -0700
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-29 16:10 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 09:48 -0700
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:10 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:05 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:24 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 17:04 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 11:01 -0700
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:18 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 23:30 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 16:01 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 18:47 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 23:26 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 01:09 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 03:56 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:42 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 10:45 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 07:02 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:39 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:44 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:24 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:20 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:01 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 23:15 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:55 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:32 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:23 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 01:06 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:36 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:14 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:26 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:48 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 19:58 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 16:46 -0400
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 06:11 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:38 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-29 00:11 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 17:20 -0700
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-29 01:27 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 02:52 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:29 +0000
                Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 08:13 +0000
          Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 02:57 +0000
      Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-24 18:54 +0000
      Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-24 20:35 +0000
        Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 14:04 -0700
          Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-24 17:26 -0400
          Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-24 21:45 +0000
            Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0000
              Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 14:57 -0700
      Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:53 +0000
        Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 14:58 -0700
        Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:29 +0000
      Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:27 +0000

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