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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 8/22/16, 3:04 PM, in article ghjdsu8e73.a9@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
> Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/22/16, 2:32 PM, in article ghjviad83.i9@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
>>> Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/16, 2:07 PM, in article fhjgue993ta.4@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
>>>>> Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Since the election is so close, any action other than a vote for Trump is
>>>>>> a vote for Hillary.  Likewise, any action other than a vote for Hillary
>>>>>> is a vote for Trump.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By your "logic" a vote for neither indicates support for both. Which, of
>>>>> course, is completely absurd.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it means that you had a chance to have your vote count for something
>>>> at the ballot box, but chose not to.
>>> 
>>> Incorrect. 
>> 
>> You are wrong.
> 
> I welcome support for how a vote for someone can become a lack of vote for
> someone.
> 

A vote outside the group of possible winners is a wasted vote.


>>>>>> The only votes that will count are votes for one of those two.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Incorrect. Other people will be on the ballots, and write-ins are counted
>>>>> in
>>>>> many places.
>>>> 
>>>> But none of those candidates will win, so such a vote is wasted, when
>>>> it could have been used to sway the election.
>>> 
>>> By this "logic" you should try to figure out who is going to win and then
>>> vote for them no matter what they say. If it turns out Clinton is far ahead
>>> in the polls come voting day will you vote for her or "waste" your vote on
>>> Trump, knowing he is unlikely to win?
>> 
>> Polls don't count.  Votes count.
> 
> So what makes you think others cannot win?
> 

History and common sense.  The fact that the potential third party
candidates will not be on all ballots.


>> The only way one wins over the other is if that person's vote count is higher.
> 
> Which may or may not be the actual vote! Sigh... Clinton.
> 

True dat.

>> A vote for another candidate besides one of those two is wasted.
> 
> You keep saying this but offer no support... nor explain why a vote for
> Trump is not "wasted" given how he is unlikely to win.
> 

You say he is unlikely to win.  I say he is likely to win in a landslide.
There is a legitimate question there, between Hillary and Trump.  Both
of them have an actual chance.  No one else does though, so a vote for
someone else is wasted.

>>>>>> Abstainers of course don't get counted.  Votes for "other" candidates are
>>>>>> votes that could have been added to the tally for Trump or Hillary and
>>>>>> might have tipped the scale, but instead they just get tossed in the bin.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> And votes for Trump or Clinton could have been votes for Johnson or Stein
>>>>> or someone else.
>>>>> 
>>>> Yes, Trump or Clinton voters could have wasted their votes that way.
>>>> 
>>> What do you mean by a "wasted vote"?
>> 
>> By voting for someone who cannot possibly win.
> 
> As judged by...??? 
> 

History and common sense.  Ralph Nader was not even on the ballot
in my state.  No way that fucker could win.  But he siphoned off
enough votes to tip the scale electorally for Bush in one state
in the northeast.  I forget which.


>>>> In this election it is 100% guaranteed that either Clinton or Trump
>>>> will be the next president.
>>> 
>>> Incorrect (though not by much).
>> 
>> Odds against are about that of the earth reversing its spin.
> 
> Support?
> 

Yes, I support that.

>>>> Your vote for either can help determine
>>>> that outcome.  Any other action is a wasted vote.
>>> 
>>> By your logic if it looks like Clinton is a sure thing then a vote for Trump
>>> is "wasted"?
>> 
>> A choice for one of the only two candidates who will possibly win is not
>> wasted on either of those candidates, because it is those very votes
>> that will determine who wins.
> 
> Well, given the election fraud that is happening not even that is true, but
> above you discount polls... so what makes you think only those two have a
> chance?
> 

Because election fraud is not going to put a third party candidate
in office, and even if it results in a House selection of the Pres.,
they will choose one of Hillary or Trump.

>> On the other hand, a vote for candidate C, in an election where it is
>> guaranteed that only A or B will win, is a wasted vote.
> 
> What do you base this on? And why can only A or B win?
> 

Because only A or B has the money, popularity, party machinery, etc.,
to win.


>>>>>> I guess some people just can't make a choice no matter how small the
>>>>>> number of choices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> You show you do not even understand what the choices are... nor what they
>>>>> mean.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hint: NOT supporting someone is NOT a sign of support for any of their
>>>>> opponents. 
>>>>> 
>>>> You don't understand what the choices are.
>>>> 
>>> Well, I do not know all choices in all jurisdictions!
>>> 
>>>> Only one of Hillary or Trump is going to win this election.  Guaranteed.
>>>> 
>>> Very likely but NOT guaranteed.
>> 
>> LOL who else do you think has a chance?
> 
> Nobody else has a significant chance at this time.
> 

Nobody else has a significant chance period.


>>>> 100%.   No one else has the slightest chance in hell of winning.  So you
>>>> have the option of helping tip the election one way or another with your
>>>> vote.
>>>> 
>>> Or to not back either... which if they are both unacceptable to me is a
>>> perfectly valid choice.
>> 
>> Which means a wasted vote.
> 
> So you keep saying but never support... and it is contrary to your original
> claim that it WAS support for one of the two main candidates.
> 

Nope.

Anything other than a vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump, because
you *could* have voted for Hillary but didn't, thereby depriving
her of a vote.

Anything other than a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary, because
you *could* have voted for Trump, but didn't, thereby depriving him
of a vote


>> A chance to tip the scale one way or the
>> other that was neglected because you could not man up and make a decision.
> 
> You assume if I do not make a decision YOU approve of I did not make a
> decision. That is faulty thinking on your part.
> 
>>> But you say not voting for either shows support for Clinton... others tell
>>> me it shows support for Trump. Both claims are absurd.
>> 
>> I'm saying that you have the chance to vote for a decent human being
>> who has this nation's best interest at heart (Trump), or a vote for
>> a criminal serial liar (Hillary, spawn of Satan) who will sell us
>> out to the highest bidder and probably get us into a world war.
> 
> Your assessment of each is absurd.
> 

LOL.  What would you know about it.  You're brainwashed.

>>>> All conservatives have a duty to vote Trump, and all libtards have a satanic
>>>> duty to vote Clinton.
>>> 
>>> False.
>> 
>> You are wrong.
> 
> But in a way you cannot show.
> 

Nope.  Your inability to see it does not translate to me not showing it.


>>>> That is, unless you see her for the criminal that she is.  Then you have a
>>>> duty to vote Trump, even if you're a libtard.
>>> 
>>> It is quite telling when you feel the need to resort to name calling. You
>>> show deep insecurity.
>> 
>> Are you or are you not a libtard?
> 
> I do not even know what you mean by the term, though it is clearly a
> reference to liberals with ties to derogatory terms of people with mental
> handicaps. More of your bigotry showing through.
> 

There you are calling me hurtful names.  Nice self-nuke.


>>>> Because, face it.  Trump is not a criminal, and he is as much Democrat as he
>>>> is Republican.  So even if you're a Democrat, it won't hurt anything if you
>>>> vote Trump at the top of the ticket and the rest Democrat on the down
>>>> ballot.
>>> 
>>> I will not be voting for Trump given how he has NO qualifications. Even his
>>> claim of being a good businessman is utterly absurd. I see NO reason at all
>>> to back him. 
>> 
>> In that case, Hillary Clinton thanks you for your support.  And you will
>> share responsibility for what she does to this country if she wins.
> 
> I do not support her either. The concept of not supporting either simply
> goes over your head.
> 

What goes over your head is simple math.  Your friends are right.  If you
are someone who would ordinarily vote Democrat but are now voting some
other way because the Democrat is Hillary, then you are netting Trump
a vote that he would not ordinarily have.  Same for Republicans who
don't vote for Trump.  They are netting Hillary a vote she would not
otherwise have.

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                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 09:36 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 16:43 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 10:00 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 17:08 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 10:16 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 17:32 +0000
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 10:39 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 18:04 +0000
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 13:39 -0400
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 10:53 -0700
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 14:26 -0400
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 12:23 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 18:06 +0000
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 19:11 +0000
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 13:22 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 10:11 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 17:29 +0000
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 18:12 +0000
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 19:19 +0000
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 10:33 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 21:20 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 21:27 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 14:04 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 13:07 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 18:00 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:18 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 23:40 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 08:26 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 08:37 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 11:42 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 11:49 -0600
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 14:08 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 21:18 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 09:47 -0400
        Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 12:00 -0600
          Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 11:13 -0700
            Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 15:57 -0600
              Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 15:16 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-23 22:31 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 15:44 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-23 23:00 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 16:07 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:25 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 21:40 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:22 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 21:39 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 11:59 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 11:41 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 21:14 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 20:50 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:39 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 12:07 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:44 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:17 -0700
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-23 20:07 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 01:02 +0000
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 09:59 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:25 +0000
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 10:58 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 15:16 +0000
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:16 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 21:34 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:09 -0600
              Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-23 20:08 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 01:10 +0000
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:28 -0600
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 10:12 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 09:03 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:20 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 11:41 -0700
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 12:29 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:55 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:11 -0700
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:20 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 20:33 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:45 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 20:50 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 14:02 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:54 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:10 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:19 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 09:32 -0400
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 10:54 -0400
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 11:08 -0400
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 12:03 -0400
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 12:47 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:19 -0600
    Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 11:59 -0600
      Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 11:16 -0700
        Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 15:59 -0600
          Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-23 22:13 +0000
            Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 15:18 -0700
            Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:29 -0600
          Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-23 15:14 -0700
            Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:33 -0600
              Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 07:56 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:23 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 11:43 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:53 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:10 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 20:22 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:26 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 20:36 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:46 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 20:58 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 20:14 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:18 -0600
          Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-23 20:47 -0400
            Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 01:24 +0000
              Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:48 -0600
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 05:06 +0000
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:27 -0600
              Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 10:24 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:34 +0000
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 10:58 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 15:14 +0000
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:30 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 10:00 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 08:58 -0700
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:24 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:31 -0600
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 12:16 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:51 -0600
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:17 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 20:56 -0600
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 20:33 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:16 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:30 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 11:49 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:48 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:09 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 20:55 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:15 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 11:44 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:22 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 17:48 -0700
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 07:57 -0400
                Re: Another day -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-26 06:41 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 11:35 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 13:51 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 16:17 -0600
                Re: Another day Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 13:03 -0700
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 08:36 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 16:09 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 09:27 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 11:33 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 13:44 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 13:44 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 17:14 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 16:10 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 13:48 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 16:16 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-27 12:24 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:28 -0600
                Re: Another day Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-08-25 07:10 -0400
            Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-23 22:46 -0600
              Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-24 09:58 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:28 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 08:54 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 13:47 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 13:08 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 20:45 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-24 20:03 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 12:00 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 11:12 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:09 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 17:37 -0700
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 14:50 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:07 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 19:23 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:25 -0700
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 10:44 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 09:47 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 11:58 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 11:04 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:05 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 17:37 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 23:38 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 08:39 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 11:26 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-26 13:42 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 14:47 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 11:53 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 17:04 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 19:20 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:24 -0700
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 17:36 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 23:37 -0600
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-26 07:53 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 11:56 -0600
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 11:04 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 11:53 -0600
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 19:16 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-25 23:22 +0000
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 19:24 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-25 23:37 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:26 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 02:51 +0000
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 22:54 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 19:59 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 03:01 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 21:19 -0700
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 19:56 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 03:00 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 20:31 -0700
                Re: Another day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-25 22:29 -0400
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 02:50 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 19:57 -0700
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-26 03:04 +0000
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 20:31 -0700
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 08:22 -0400
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-26 07:58 -0400
                Re: Another day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-25 18:26 -0700
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:44 -0600
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-24 12:43 -0600
                Re: Another day "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-08-24 19:15 +0000
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 10:19 -0400
                Re: Another day GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-25 11:51 -0600
                Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 14:42 -0400
  Re: Another day Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-08-25 08:38 -0400

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