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Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder?

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder?
Date 2015-09-06 11:11 +0000
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dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> wrote:
> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> wrote:
>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>> dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> wrote:
>>>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> wrote:
>>>>>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 00:42:53 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/15, 12:34 AM, in article msgqav$qvr$8@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:09:09 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/29/15, 12:27 PM, in article mrt133$b4k$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nobody" <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that piddly bullshit "Snit" has posted about the Finder supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to convince people to buy a Mac?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. Do you feel pressured when you realize, as Peter did, that Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacks the features being discussed?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The features you're talking about are features of an application, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the OS.  So Mac OS X does not have them, and Linux does not lack
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am speaking of the environments...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No you're not.  Finder is an application, not an "environment."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Actually, it's not an app. There is no separate application called
>>>>>>>>> "Finder", it's part of Cocoa. That's why you can't restart Finder without
>>>>>>>>> restarting whole GUI system.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://osxdaily.com/2012/01/14/restart-the-finder-mac/
>>>>>>>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/4-ways-to-restart-the-mac-finder
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you trying to prove me wrong?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, but google is.  Take it up with them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you kidding?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not really.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe you should restart Finder once yourself on real machine and see what
>>>>>>> will happen?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Real machines" don't have "Finder," but it sounds like the same thing
>>>>>> will happen as happens when I restart nautilus.
>>>> 
>>>>> Feel free to point me to Finder application in OS X, so we can see what
>>>>> kind of app it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Dude, that page says that you can kill it in a terminal with
>>>> 
>>>> $ killall Finder.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have a Mack, but "to see what kind of app is is," I'd try: 
>>>> 
>>>> $ file `which Finder`
>> 
>>> $ which Finder
>>> Finder not found
>> 
>> Mack really returns that?
>> And here I was thinking that Mack was BSD under the hood.
>> $ uname -a
>> FreeBSD helios 10.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11
>> 21:02:49 UTC 2014     root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>> $ which Finder
>> $ 
>> 
>> If like they say above it can be killall'd by name Finder, then find
>> what process is using that name and track it down.

> Of course Finder can be tracked down.

If you have no trouble tracking it down, why were you asking me to
point you to it?  And now that you've found it (with Melzzzz's help)
you can run file on it "to find out what kind of app it is."
Who knows, maybe it's a perl script.

> But you'll find it not where OS X
> keep the apps, but in /System/Library/CoreServices. Why do you think system
> gets frozen for a little while when you're trying to restart Finder?
>     

Once again, for the attention-deficit among us, I don't have a Mack.
Does something make it "not an app" just because it's not in your path?

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Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 14:27 -0500
  Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:56 +0000
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:09 -0700
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 07:28 +0000
        Snit was too droopy to answer... or was it because of his scurvy... Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:14 -0500
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:13 -0700
  Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:09 -0700
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 07:34 +0000
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 07:48 +0000
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 09:57 +0200
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 08:49 +0000
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 08:56 +0000
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 09:41 +0000
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 11:47 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 09:55 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 12:06 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 10:16 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 13:47 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:34 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:31 -0700
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 09:54 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 10:02 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 10:22 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 10:26 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 10:40 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-06 12:43 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 10:52 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 11:11 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 11:37 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 13:48 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-06 14:04 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 22:07 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-07 21:37 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-08 09:26 -0400
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-08 15:36 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-08 14:46 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-08 20:05 -0400
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-09 11:32 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 11:57 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 12:09 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 12:27 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 12:31 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-06 14:07 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 16:50 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 08:44 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 14:34 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 09:38 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 14:42 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 09:47 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 14:51 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-06 10:53 -0400
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 15:20 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:31 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-08 07:28 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-08 14:47 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:11 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 15:33 +0000
                Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:40 -0500
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 16:02 +0000
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 11:26 -0500
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Tommy Troll <elkabong99@Itroll.org> - 2015-09-06 12:30 -0400
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-06 14:10 -0600
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 23:01 +0200
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 01:53 +0000
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-08 08:03 -0500
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-08 15:08 +0000
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-08 08:25 -0700
                Re: Snit goes from talking about Finder to talking queer-- again! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:44 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:43 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 13:45 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 11:50 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-06 12:02 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:42 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-06 14:04 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 22:05 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 18:20 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:37 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:34 -0700
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:31 -0700
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:56 -0700
          He dunno, so I told him... Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 08:32 -0500
            He is nobody, so I told him... dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 14:40 +0000
              Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 09:46 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 14:54 +0000
                Re: Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:07 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 15:19 +0000
                Re: Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:30 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 17:39 +0200
                Re: Hi Snit! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:49 -0700
                Re: Hi Snit! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 15:46 +0000
                Re: Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:55 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 16:04 +0000
                Re: Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 11:24 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-06 15:46 +0000
                Re: Hi Snit! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 17:47 +0200
                Re: Hi Snit! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 10:58 -0500
                Re: Hi Snit! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:50 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:26 -0700
            Snit is arguing with himself Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 12:34 -0500
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-06 10:25 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 12:40 -0500
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 20:41 +0200
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 21:45 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 22:04 +0200
  Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-29 20:21 +0000
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 13:31 -0700
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 00:34 +0000
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:44 -0700
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 03:02 -0500
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-30 08:44 +0000
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:09 -0700
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 20:48 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 12:06 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:49 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 14:55 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:07 -0700
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-30 20:46 +0200
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:50 -0700
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-08-30 13:27 +0100
        Like you are as well, eh Dumb Willie? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-30 13:05 -0600
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-30 13:05 -0600
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 13:36 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-08-31 13:53 -0600
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 13:10 -0700
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 22:47 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 13:50 -0700
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-31 23:23 +0200
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-01 12:08 -0600
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-01 11:14 -0700
  Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:12 -0700
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 14:19 -0700
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:30 -0700
  Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 00:33 +0000
    Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:44 -0700
      Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 03:08 -0500
        Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:09 -0700
          Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-31 20:32 -0500
            Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? "Drew P. Bawls" <drewpballs@nowhere2.net> - 2015-08-31 21:40 -0400
              Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 08:34 -0500
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 19:32 +0000
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-06 21:48 +0200
                Re: Who gives a shit about the Finder? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 18:03 -0500

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