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Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac

Started byHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
First post2016-09-12 01:34 +0000
Last post2016-09-13 06:10 +0000
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  Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 01:34 +0000
    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-11 21:45 -0400
      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac AL <noemail@invalid.com> - 2016-09-11 20:17 -0700
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 20:11 +0000
      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 20:11 +0000
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 16:26 -0400
          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 21:14 +0000
            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 17:44 -0400
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 00:22 +0000
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 20:34 -0400
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 03:32 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 23:38 -0400
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:05 +0000
                        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 00:14 -0400
                          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:50 +0000
                            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 01:07 -0400
                              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:13 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 01:18 -0400
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:19 +0000
                          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:51 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 04:39 +0000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:13 +0000
                        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
                          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:12 +0000
                            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 05:28 +1000
                              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 20:36 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:13 +0000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 17:02 +1000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 07:13 +0000
                                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 10:08 -0400
                              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:10 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 15:17 +1000
                            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 20:34 +0000
                              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 10:38 +1000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:13 +0000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 17:10 +1000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 07:26 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 07:25 +0000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 20:02 +1000
                                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 17:31 +0000
                                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 06:05 +1000
                                        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 20:42 +0000
                                          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 07:46 +1000
                              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:09 +0000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 15:10 +1000
                                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 07:46 +0000
                                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 20:04 +1000
                          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:12 +0000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:29 +1000
            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:10 +1000
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 03:32 +0000
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 23:38 -0400
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:07 +1000
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 21:35 +0000
          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 16:44 -0500
          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 00:21 +0000
            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 00:48 +0000
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 20:50 -0400
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 02:07 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:05 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:20 +1000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:50 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:11 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 03:32 +0000
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 04:33 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:13 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 01:18 -0400
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:24 +0000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:29 +0000
    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 02:25 +0000
      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 20:38 +0000
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 16:41 -0400
          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 00:22 +0000
            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 20:34 -0400
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 21:02 +0000
    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-09-12 09:47 +0100
      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-12 05:25 -0400
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-12 21:14 +0000
    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2016-09-12 09:00 -0400
      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 00:22 +0000
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 03:31 +0000
        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 04:49 +0000
          Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:08 +0000
            Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:30 +0000
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 05:42 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 01:49 -0400
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 06:10 +0000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 02:19 -0400
                        Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 04:41 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 05:51 +0000
                    Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 06:10 +0000
                      Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 06:14 +0000
                  Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 04:40 +0000
              Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 01:49 -0400
                Re: Scanning for WiFI like inSSIDer on iOS & Macbook Pro & iMac Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 06:10 +0000

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#58621

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 04:05 +0000
Message-ID<nr7tti$1l29$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58613
On 13 Sep 2016 02:07:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Must be his pathetic aversion to the "evil M.A.R.K.E.T.I.N.G names"...

The nice thing in those specs is that it lists the "Radio Output Power" at 
- Radio output power: 32.5 dBm maximum (varies by country)

Hmmm... is thtat EIRP?
Or is that just the radio sans antenna?

It doesn't say - but it's so high that it's probably EIRP.

Most home router antennas, AFAICR, are about 18dBi, so 32.5dBm seems pretty
high (yeah, I know one is isotropic and the other is compared against 50mW
but those are the figures that I have).

The maximum antenna and radio power and EIRP are listed here:
http://www.air802.com/fcc-rules-and-regulations.html

But, as noted, it varies by country:
https://w.wol.ph/2015/08/28/maximum-wifi-transmission-power-country/

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#58639

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-13 15:20 +1000
Message-ID<e3pgk9F5k4pU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58621
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote 
> Jolly Roger wrote

> The nice thing in those specs is that it lists the "Radio Output Power" 
> at - Radio output power: 32.5 dBm maximum (varies by country)
 
> Hmmm... is thtat EIRP?

Yep. 

> Or is that just the radio sans antenna?

Nope, its never that. 
 
> It doesn't say - but it's so high that it's probably EIRP.

Nope, it will be with the antenna(s) it has. 
 
> Most home router antennas, AFAICR, are about 18dBi, so 32.5dBm 
> seems pretty high (yeah, I know one is isotropic and the other is 
> compared against 50mW but those are the figures that I have).
 
> The maximum antenna and radio power and EIRP are listed here:
> http://www.air802.com/fcc-rules-and-regulations.html
 
> But, as noted, it varies by country:
> https://w.wol.ph/2015/08/28/maximum-wifi-transmission-power-country/ 

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#58642

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
Message-ID<nr82lk$1q19$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58639
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:20:05 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

>> It doesn't say - but it's so high that it's probably EIRP.
> 
> Nope, it will be with the antenna(s) it has.

Thanks. I was being nice to JR because he was nice enough to show me the
specs.

I *always* respond in kind.

Thanks for clarifying the spec was a maximum EIRP.

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#58627

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 04:50 +0000
Message-ID<nr80hq$1npn$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58611
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:50:21 -0400, nospam wrote:

> and even getting the product name correct:

Compare the quality and specificity of these Apple specs:
http://www.apple.com/airport-extreme/specs/

Against typical Ubuiquti specs for the radio that I have on my roof:
https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/rocketm/RocketM_DS.pdf

This is the Apple spec:
Radio output power: 32.5 dBm maximum (varies by country)

This is the Ubiquit spec for "my" radio:
Operating FrequencyWorldwide: 5170 - 5875 MHz
USA: 5725 - 5850 MHz*
Output Power27 dBm
TX Power Specifications
RX Power Specifications
ModulationData RateAvg. TXToleranceModulationData RateSensitivityTolerance
802.11a6 - 24 Mbps27 dBmą 2 dB
802.11a6 - 24 Mbps-94 dBm Min.ą 2 dB
36 Mbps25 dBmą 2 dB
36 Mbps-80 dBmą 2 dB
48 Mbps23 dBmą 2 dB
48 Mbps-77 dBmą 2 dB
54 Mbps22 dBmą 2 dB
54 Mbps-75 dBmą 2 dB
802.11n/airMAXMCS027 dBmą 2 dB
802.11n/airMAXMCS0  -96 dBmą 2 dB
MCS127 dBmą 2 dBMCS1-95 dBmą 2 dB
MCS227 dBmą 2 dBMCS2-92 dBmą 2 dB
MCS327 dBmą 2 dBMCS3-90 dBmą 2 dB
MCS426 dBmą 2 dBMCS4-86 dBmą 2 dB
MCS524 dBmą 2 dBMCS5 -83 dBmą 2 dB
MCS622 dBm ą 2 dBMCS6-77 dBmą 2 dB
MCS721 dBmą 2 dBMCS7 -74 dBmą 2 dB
MCS827 dBmą 2 dBMCS8-95 dBmą 2 dB
MCS927 dBmą 2 dBMCS9 -93 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1027 dBmą 2 dBMCS10-90 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1127 dBmą 2 dBMCS11-87 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1226 dBmą 2 dBMCS12-84 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1324 dBmą 2 dBMCS13-79 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1422 dBmą 2 dBMCS14-78 dBmą 2 dB
MCS1521 dBmą 2 dBMCS15-75 dBmą 2 dB

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#58632

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-09-13 05:11 +0000
Message-ID<e3pg41F4unfU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58627
On 2016-09-13, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:50:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> and even getting the product name correct:
>
> Compare the quality and specificity of these Apple specs:

Nobody here cares for yet another of your silly public masturbation
sessions about specifications.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58645

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
Message-ID<nr82lp$1q19$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58632
On 13 Sep 2016 05:11:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Nobody here cares for yet another of your silly public masturbation
> sessions about specifications.

Classic.

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#58617

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 03:32 +0000
Message-ID<nr7rvo$1jcr$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58610
On 13 Sep 2016 00:48:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> For someone who constantly claims he is smarter than everyone else in the
> Apple news groups, you sure seem to have a hard time with basic things like
> clicking the Tech Specs link on that very page:
> 
> <http://www.apple.com/airport-extreme/specs/>

Ah, that's more like it!
http://www.apple.com/airport-extreme/specs/

Nice. That's what I was looking for.
BTW, I didn't suggest that router, someone else did.

So for you to claim that I *planned* a trollish behavior regarding that
router gives me far more credit for being clever than I can imagine you'd
give me. 

I'm smart ... but I'm not *that* smart.
In this case, I think we're pretty much done with the original question.

The original question was how to scan for WiFi on Apple equipment.
The answer is fine with me, which is:

iOS:
- Airport Utility
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/airport-utility/id427276530
- Fing

Mac:
- NetSpot: WiFi survey & wireless scanner, By Etwok LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netspot-wifi-survey-wireless/id514951692
- Wireless Diagnostics
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202663

And to check for intruders on either platform:
- Fing 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fing-network-scanner/id430921107

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#58624

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-09-13 04:33 +0000
Message-ID<e3pdtiF4unfU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58617
On 2016-09-13, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2016 00:48:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> For someone who constantly claims he is smarter than everyone else in the
>> Apple news groups, you sure seem to have a hard time with basic things like
>> clicking the Tech Specs link on that very page:
>> 
>> <http://www.apple.com/airport-extreme/specs/>
>
> Ah, that's more like it!
> http://www.apple.com/airport-extreme/specs/

Repeating a URL I already hand fed you doesn't add anything of value to
the conversation.

> Nice. That's what I was looking for.

You couldn't have been looking very hard since it's right at the top of
the page, titles "Tech Specs".

> BTW, I didn't suggest that router, someone else did.

I don't care; and it had zero bearing on my response to you.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58634

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 05:13 +0000
Message-ID<nr81t1$1p9a$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58624
On 13 Sep 2016 04:33:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
 
> Repeating a URL I already hand fed you doesn't add anything of value to
> the conversation.

I never see quoted text.
So, repeating the URL helps a person reading this who is hiding quoted
text.
Most newsreaders, of course, can easily flip between hiding quoted text and
not hiding it - but I repeat as a courtesy to the reader who hides quoted
text.

>> Nice. That's what I was looking for.
> 
> You couldn't have been looking very hard since it's right at the top of
> the page, titles "Tech Specs".

I didn't want to be mean to you since you were being nice, but you *do*
realize that the spec you gave me *is* a purely M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G BS spec,
and, as such, is essentially useless, right?

I mean, just *compare* the spec you gave which was a single line for *all*
frequencies and *all* countries, against the spec for "my" radio on my
roof, which lists not only the spec at *each* frequency, but also the
transmit and receive spec, and the error range.

Your purely MARKETING spec (which is almost completely useless):
- Radio output power: 32.5 dBm maximum (varies by country)

A far more useful spec that is much closer to being "real":
- https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/rocketm/RocketM_DS.pdf

PS: They all lie. But boy oh boy, does Apple hide a *lot* more stuff than
Ubiquiti does.

What you gave is the best Apple has - but it's something nobody who really
cared about the output could actually use. Notice the difference in the
Ubiquiti spec *before* you respond.

>> BTW, I didn't suggest that router, someone else did.
> 
> I don't care; and it had zero bearing on my response to you.

I never take the initiative on negativity.
I always follow *your* lead & simply respond in kind.
You should have noticed that by now.

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#58637

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-09-13 01:18 -0400
Message-ID<130920160118168163%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58634
In article <nr81t1$1p9a$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> > Repeating a URL I already hand fed you doesn't add anything of value to
> > the conversation.
> 
> I never see quoted text.

then your newsreader is broken

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#58641

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 05:26 +0000
Message-ID<nr82li$1q19$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58637
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 01:18:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I never see quoted text.
> 
> then your newsreader is broken

I think my newsreaders work just like most newsreaders.

In all mine, I can hit "q" to toggle quoted text, just as I can hit "h" to
toggle the header lines.

I almost never do.

I'm sure I'm not unique in that regard.

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#58640

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-09-13 05:24 +0000
Message-ID<e3pgshF4unfU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58634
On 2016-09-13, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2016 04:33:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>  
>> Repeating a URL I already hand fed you doesn't add anything of value to
>> the conversation.
>
> I never see quoted text.

Sounds like a personal problem.

> So, repeating the URL helps a person reading this who is hiding quoted
> text.
>
> Most newsreaders, of course, can easily flip between hiding quoted text and
> not hiding it - but I repeat as a courtesy to the reader who hides quoted
> text.

No, you do it to stroke your ego as part of your public masturbatory
experience. You seem to believe the more verbose your posts the better.
Fortunately, people are smart enough to see right through your silly
games.

[useless trollish verbosity omitted]

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58647

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 05:29 +0000
Message-ID<nr82rm$1qd0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58640
On 13 Sep 2016 05:24:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> No, you do it to stroke your ego as part of your public masturbatory
> experience. You seem to believe the more verbose your posts the better.
> Fortunately, people are smart enough to see right through your silly
> games.

Classic.

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#58569

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-09-12 02:25 +0000
Message-ID<e3mi03FegksU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58567
On 2016-09-12, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> What is the best way, nowadays, to scan for wireless frequencies given an
> entirely Apple household of iPhones, iPads, Macbook Pros, and an iMac?

Numerous GUI and command-line tools exist to do that on a Mac. I often
use NetSpot to diagnose potential WiFi reception issues for instance,
but there are others:

<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netspot-wifi-survey-wireless/id514951692?mt=12>

[needless troll ramblings omitted]

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58591

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-12 20:38 +0000
Message-ID<nr73oa$ig1$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58569
On 12 Sep 2016 02:25:07 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Numerous GUI and command-line tools exist to do that on a Mac. I often
> use NetSpot to diagnose potential WiFi reception issues for instance,
> but there are others:
> 
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netspot-wifi-survey-wireless/id514951692?mt=12>

Thank you for suggesting a Mac app since I have no way of testing them but
the user has an old iMac (which they had to charge up so I doubt they use
it all that often - but it had an Ethernet port) and two Macbook Pros
(which didn't have RJ45 ports).

I will suggest *that* freeware app for them.
- NetSpot: WiFi survey & wireless scanner, By Etwok LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netspot-wifi-survey-wireless/id514951692

The heatmap in the app description is *gorgeous*, but I wonder who is going
to have a house plan "on" their computer.
http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple4/v4/41/27/b3/4127b302-d96e-3ef0-fe14-fbded3d0f261/screen800x500.jpeg

Nonetheless, all we need are the first few bullet items in the description:
* NetSpot collects and visualizes 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac WiFi data
* support for 2.4GHz and 5GHz channel bands
* lots of data collected on every network: AP name (SSID), MAC address
(BSSID), vendor, channel, signal levels, encryption and more

Thanks for suggesting what seems to be a great freeware app for the Mac
that supplements what iOS does with the AirPort Utility for this all-Apple
household.

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#58592

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-09-12 16:41 -0400
Message-ID<120920161641468847%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58591
In article <nr73oa$ig1$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:


> Thank you for suggesting a Mac app since I have no way of testing them but
> the user has an old iMac (which they had to charge up so I doubt they use
> it all that often 

imacs do not require charging.

> - but it had an Ethernet port) and two Macbook Pros
> (which didn't have RJ45 ports).

use wireless.

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#58604

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-13 00:22 +0000
Message-ID<nr7grb$15q2$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58592
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:41:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <nr73oa$ig1$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
> <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for suggesting a Mac app since I have no way of testing them but
>> the user has an old iMac (which they had to charge up so I doubt they use
>> it all that often 
> 
> imacs do not require charging.

He says he has an iMac laptop.
It has a battery.
But I wouldn't know an iMac from a Big Mac.

I'll ask him.

>> - but it had an Ethernet port) and two Macbook Pros
>> (which didn't have RJ45 ports).
> 
> use wireless.

That works "if" he remembers his login/password.
And, if he didn't turn off the wireless login.
And if he didn't change the port.

I'm gonna call him at 5pm (oops. it's 5pm. I can call now).

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#58608

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-09-12 20:34 -0400
Message-ID<120920162034014936%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58604
In article <nr7grb$15q2$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> >> Thank you for suggesting a Mac app since I have no way of testing them but
> >> the user has an old iMac (which they had to charge up so I doubt they use
> >> it all that often 
> > 
> > imacs do not require charging.
> 
> He says he has an iMac laptop.

he's confused, as are you.

an imac is a desktop.
a macbook is a laptop.

> It has a battery.
> But I wouldn't know an iMac from a Big Mac.

no surprise there.


> >> - but it had an Ethernet port) and two Macbook Pros
> >> (which didn't have RJ45 ports).
> > 
> > use wireless.
> 
> That works "if" he remembers his login/password.
> And, if he didn't turn off the wireless login.
> And if he didn't change the port.

there's nothing to remember since he just bought a *new* wifi router.

it'll have whatever password he gives it when he sets it up.

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#58593

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-09-12 21:02 +0000
Message-ID<e3ojenFtvtbU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58591
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2016 02:25:07 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Numerous GUI and command-line tools exist to do that on a Mac. I often
>> use NetSpot to diagnose potential WiFi reception issues for instance,
>> but there are others:
>> 
>> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netspot-wifi-survey-wireless/id514951692?mt=12>
> 
> I will suggest *that* freeware app for them.
> 
> The heatmap in the app description is *gorgeous*, but I wonder who is going
> to have a house plan "on" their computer.
> http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple4/v4/41/27/b3/4127b302-d96e-3ef0-fe14-fbded3d0f261/screen800x500.jpeg

As if creating a drawing of your own floor plan at all hard to do. Take
some measurements and open your favorite drawing app; done deal. Took me
less than five minutes. And you call yourself a "power user" who knows more
than most "idiot" Apple users... : )

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58574

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2016-09-12 09:47 +0100
Message-ID<nr5q29$m9q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58567
On 12/09/2016 02:34, Horace Algier wrote:
> What is the best way, nowadays, to scan for wireless frequencies given an
> entirely Apple household of iPhones, iPads, Macbook Pros, and an iMac?
[]
> What is the best way, nowadays, for this older couple to scan for wireless
> frequencies given an entirely Apple household of iPhones, iPads, Macbook
> Pros, and an iMac?

A cheap Android phone and inSSIDer, WiFi Analyzer, FRITZ!App WLAN etc. 
etc.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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