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  Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 17:03 -0700
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-20 20:28 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 14:38 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 13:55 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 20:59 -0700
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 16:51 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 07:53 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:19 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:57 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:06 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:11 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:51 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 15:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 06:24 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:49 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 21:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:18 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 10:57 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-21 15:01 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 16:20 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 12:38 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 17:18 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:55 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:11 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:16 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:29 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:40 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:32 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 15:08 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:02 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:46 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 09:52 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:12 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:00 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 18:58 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:32 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:20 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:47 -0500
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:48 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:50 +0000
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:54 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:31 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:53 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 19:05 +0000
                          Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-24 10:20 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-24 19:06 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:35 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:22 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 12:17 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:03 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:44 +1100
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 21:57 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:14 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 13:54 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:14 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:38 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:54 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 15:09 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 06:24 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 17:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:00 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:06 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 11:24 +1100
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:33 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:26 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:28 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:06 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:40 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:12 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:23 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 21:26 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:46 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:52 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:22 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:49 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:25 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:33 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 14:08 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 14:09 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 18:33 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:49 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:37 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:18 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:44 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:04 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:16 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:51 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:59 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:07 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 16:36 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 08:37 +1100
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 21:45 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-24 10:51 +1300
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 18:43 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 22:56 +0000
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 10:29 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:36 +0000
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-24 01:47 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 19:44 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 15:04 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:35 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:02 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:05 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:19 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 00:36 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:18 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:12 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 22:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:24 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:39 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-22 20:05 -0700
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 23:46 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:00 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:52 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 00:10 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:58 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:41 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:52 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:48 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:33 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:13 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:59 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-03-23 13:14 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 01:39 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 00:52 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:11 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:44 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 06:22 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:40 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:17 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:28 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:47 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:56 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:09 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 19:14 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:47 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 20:40 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:49 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:38 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:23 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:13 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:30 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:11 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:43 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:36 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:31 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:24 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:04 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:25 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:15 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:40 +0000
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:02 -0400
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:43 -0500
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:10 +0000

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#46830

On 2015-03-23, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-22 19:32, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
>> opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
>> to back them up.
>
> Except of course for YOUR opinions which you are allowed to state as
> facts and nobody is ever allowed to challenge them (and if they do, they
> are qualified of trolls, Apple haters etc).

Nope, just the ones that constantly troll here, like you.

> Do you realise you do exactlty as you wish to prohibit all others from
> doing ?

I'm not prohibiting anything.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#46823

In article <cn91opF5ssnU4@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
> opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
> to back them up.

That pretty much defines a lot of the Internet.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#46891

On 3/22/15 8:10 PM, in article
550f6808$0$1522$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com, "Warren Oates"
<warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <cn91opF5ssnU4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
>> opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
>> to back them up.
> 
> That pretty much defines a lot of the Internet.

SING IT, Bro!!!

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#46859

On 2015-03-22 19:32, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-22 10:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>>>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you know that?
>>>>
>>>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>>>
>>> That's not what I asked. Here - I'll spell it out for you: How do you
>>> know that Apple's desire for a narrow submission program was a large
>>> part of the issue? I doubt you can answer this question - not that it
>>> even matters.
>>>
>>> The cards in question were Yellow Path cards where the banks in question
>>> knew the information that had been provided did not match bank records.
>>> It was then up to the banks in question to contact customers to use more
>>> scrutiny to verify their identity. Some banks did this well and have low
>>> fraud rates. The banks in question, however, did not do a good job, and
>>> have high fraud rates as a result. Apple Pay users have reported that
>>> different banks use very different procedures and questions for Yellow
>>> Path cards. Some banks only asked for the last four digits of the card
>>> holder's social security number - something that is often readily
>>> available to those who have lists of credit card account numbers (and
>>> other personal info) obtained through illegal means.
>>>
>>>>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on what?
>>>>
>>>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>>>
>>> They mention that they think Apple is providing more information, but
>>> with no references. And you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.
>>
>> Let's see.  Jolly Roger.  Sorkin.
>>
>> Who do I believe?
>
> I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
> opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
> to back them up.

I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

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#46861

On 2015-03-23, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

Believing *anything* blindly without verifying it yourself is bound to
get you into trouble.


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#46862

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message 
news:cn9dbuF6nbtU15@mid.individual.net...
> On 2015-03-23, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.
>
> Believing *anything* blindly without verifying it yourself

He didn’t do that. Apple didn’t deny what he said.

> is bound to get you into trouble.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

If you claim that the sun will come again tomorrow,
believing that without verifying it myself wont get
me into any trouble at all.

 

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#46868

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> was all, like:
> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

The NYT has been a shitrag on par with Fox News for the last 15 years.
Anyone who trusts the NYT for more than the current day's weather is a
moron.

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#46901

In article <ka6dnRFw5c-O4pLInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

Would that be the same N.Y. Times that says the Apple Watch will kill 
you?

<http://www.macworld.com/article/2899046/weird-science-the-apple-watch-ma
y-already-be-killing-you.html>

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#46906

D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote

>> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

> Would that be the same N.Y. Times that says the Apple Watch will kill you?

It doesn’t say that.

> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2899046/weird-science-the-apple-watch-may-already-be-killing-you.html>

That doesn’t say that. 

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#46909

Okay, so one time? In band camp? D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> was all, like:
> In article <ka6dnRFw5c-O4pLInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

>> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.

> Would that be the same N.Y. Times that says the Apple Watch will kill 
> you?

> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2899046/weird-science-the-apple-watch-may-already-be-killing-you.html>

Like I said, the NYT is a shitrag.

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#46942 — Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies

On 3/23/15   PDT 11:20 AM, D.F. Manno wrote:
> In article <ka6dnRFw5c-O4pLInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.
>
> Would that be the same N.Y. Times that says the Apple Watch will kill
> you?
>
<http://www.macworld.com/article/2899046/weird-science-the-apple-watch-may-already-be-killing-you.html>

That's quite a hoot! Worth a detour. Trois etoiles!

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#46948 — Re: Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies

On 2015-03-24 13:20, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 3/23/15   PDT 11:20 AM, D.F. Manno wrote:
>> In article <ka6dnRFw5c-O4pLInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll trust the NYT/Sorkin over 98% of the rest of the internet.
>>
>> Would that be the same N.Y. Times that says the Apple Watch will kill
>> you?
>>
> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2899046/weird-science-the-apple-watch-may-already-be-killing-you.html>
>
>
> That's quite a hoot! Worth a detour. Trois etoiles!

The editor's note at the end suggests the NYT really wish they hadn't 
published that article...

Article does distinguish between cell frequencies/power and bluetooth 
used by the watch.

Of course, no link to disease and cell phone use has ever been found 
(other than driving and using a phone... hands free or not ... let me 
mention an idiot on the road I encountered this evening some time).

As to battery "power"?  Really?

No link between disease and power lines has ever been proven.  Yes, 
there are statistical clusters of some cancers near power lines, but the 
'cause' has never been found.

Batteries are DC, of course.  Power lines are AC.  And massively more 
powerful...

Ah well, I'm happy the above article has provided laughs, at least.

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#46855

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> was all, like:
> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-21 11:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article <cn4tk1F3eloU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>>>>> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>>>>>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>>>>>> the fault to Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
>>>>> with applepay.
>>>>>
>>>>> if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
>>>>> satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.
>>>
>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>
>> How do you know that?

> 2 recently posted articles mention it.

Nope. One speculative unsourced piece of crap mentioned it with no
sourcing whatsoever and someone copied that speculative piece of crap.

>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.

>> Based on what?

> 2 recently posted articles mention it.

See above.


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#46727

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:210320151057120048%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <cn4tk1F3eloU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge
> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to 
>> assign
>> the fault to Apple.
>
> it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
> with applepay.
>
> if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
> satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.

But what apple can do is provide the bank with the information
about the individual adding the card that is cheap for the bank
to use to check that it is the card holder.
 

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#46739

In article <cn5r94Fbh16U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
> >> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to 
> >> assign
> >> the fault to Apple.
> >
> > it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
> > with applepay.
> >
> > if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
> > satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
> 
> But what apple can do is provide the bank with the information
> about the individual adding the card that is cheap for the bank
> to use to check that it is the card holder.

they do.

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#46746

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:210320151715060473%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <cn5r94Fbh16U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as 
>> >> fraud
>> >> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to
>> >> assign
>> >> the fault to Apple.
>> >
>> > it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
>> > with applepay.
>> >
>> > if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
>> > satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
>>
>> But what apple can do is provide the bank with the information
>> about the individual adding the card that is cheap for the bank
>> to use to check that it is the card holder.
>
> they do.

You don't know that, or that they have always done that.

Even the last 4 digits of the phone number isn't necessarily
that useful to the bank when deciding if card is being added
to applepay by the owner of the card. 

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#46722

On 15-03-21 05:57, Huge wrote:

> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
> the fault to Apple.

Not necessarily. Based on ONLY the above information, it is possible the
banks were naive and didn't request any additional information and
accepted card activation with just card number, name and expiration. It
is also possible banks wanted more info and Apple refused.

We can't know for sure. But based on Apple's "DNA", it seems to ME that
Apple wanted to keep the process super simple and may have balked at
adding extra steps in activating a card on ApplePay.

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#46729

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote 
> Huge wrote
 
>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as 
>> prevalent as fraud via other channels from the same banks, 
>> it seems not unreasonable to assign the fault to Apple.
 
> Not necessarily. 

Yes, necessarily. As you correctly pointed out previously, 
the apple pay system makes it MUCH easier to do fraud,
essentially because there is no longer any necessity to 
produce a physical copy of the card that is good enough
to fool a machine or a human anymore. ALL you need is
the card details and an iDevice to put them into. 

Its hardly surprising that even the stupidest thief 
has been told about that by other thieves now. 

> Based on ONLY the above information, it is possible the banks were 
> naive and didn't request any additional information and accepted 
> card activation with just card number, name and expiration. 

They obviously got more than that, at least the time and 
date  of the attempt to add the card to apple pay etc. 

> It is also possible banks wanted more info and Apple refused.

> We can't know for sure. 

We can actually, someone must know. 

> But based on Apple's "DNA", it seems to ME that
> Apple wanted to keep the process super simple 

Yes. 

> and may have balked at adding extra 
> steps in activating a card on ApplePay.

They clearly did, and were right to do that given that
the banks are free to notify the card holder that the
card has been added to apple pay so that the card
holder can report that fraud when it has happened. 

Clearly it is worth providing more information to the
banks too, particularly information that can be used
in an automated process to add more security to the
registration process cheaply.  

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#46742

On 2015-03-21, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-21 05:57, Huge wrote:
>
>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>> the fault to Apple.
>
> Not necessarily. Based on ONLY the above information, it is possible the
> banks were naive and didn't request any additional information and
> accepted card activation with just card number, name and expiration. It
> is also possible banks wanted more info and Apple refused.
>
> We can't know for sure. But based on Apple's "DNA", it seems to ME that
> Apple wanted to keep the process super simple and may have balked at
> adding extra steps in activating a card on ApplePay.

AFAIK, which is rather more than what is in the papers, your second paragraph
is close to it.


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#46775

On 2015-03-21, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-21 05:57, Huge wrote:
>
>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>> the fault to Apple.
>
> Not necessarily. Based on ONLY the above information, it is possible the
> banks were naive and didn't request any additional information and
> accepted card activation with just card number, name and expiration. It
> is also possible banks wanted more info and Apple refused.
>
> We can't know for sure. But based on Apple's "DNA", it seems to ME that
> Apple wanted to keep the process super simple and may have balked at
> adding extra steps in activating a card on ApplePay.

Nope. The cards in question have already been stolen, but were not
deactivated by banks. The banks already worked with Apple to handle such
cards by categorizing them as "Yellow Path". For Yellow Path accounts,
the banks (not Apple) are responsible for contacting their customers to
work out any discrepancies and ask for more personal information. Some
banks did this well and have very low fraud rates with Apple Pay, while
other banks fell flat and have high fraud rates due to their failure to
properly identify the people attempting to provision those accounts. 

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