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| Started by | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| First post | 2015-03-12 07:20 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400 |
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How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 07:20 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 12:44 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 12:47 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 10:28 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:41 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 15:01 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-12 17:46 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 22:58 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 22:41 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 01:45 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:28 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 01:56 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 11:11 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 01:41 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 01:46 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 03:01 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:52 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:29 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:20 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 16:41 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 17:44 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 15:05 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 21:53 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-13 19:14 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 20:22 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 21:53 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 23:17 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 08:58 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 14:35 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 10:12 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-14 16:37 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 11:41 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 12:01 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:04 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 14:19 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:41 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 20:04 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 13:59 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 20:11 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:01 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 14:22 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:41 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:01 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:03 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:25 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 17:50 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 16:30 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 23:34 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 23:21 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 07:41 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 00:50 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 23:34 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 20:11 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-14 13:40 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:48 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:58 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:27 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-14 18:55 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 23:26 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:00 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-15 15:51 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-15 11:04 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 17:45 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 01:59 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 16:04 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 14:26 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:41 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:56 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:58 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:07 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 12:22 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 20:12 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 00:52 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 21:09 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 14:52 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 14:33 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 14:57 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 04:04 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 21:15 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 04:38 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 17:28 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 04:42 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 23:36 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 17:59 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 00:05 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 00:00 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 18:21 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 00:55 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-16 19:47 +1300
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 07:51 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:23 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:09 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:29 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 17:42 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:04 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:09 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:21 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:13 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 17:44 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 19:10 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 00:03 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 01:14 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 00:17 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 23:24 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 23:23 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:11 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:27 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 08:57 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 10:25 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 08:59 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 17:42 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-14 16:33 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:01 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 17:42 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:43 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:27 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:13 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-15 02:29 -0700
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 17:41 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-15 15:44 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 22:04 +0000
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:50 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:58 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 17:05 -0400
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:15 -0500
Re: How can I find out what date an app was installed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 17:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg68i3.17b.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #46406 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: > On 2015-03-13, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <cmgaiuFmctlU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger >><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> I can see the purchase date of apps in iTunes for Mac OS by getting info >>> on an app in my library and looking at the "purchase date" field in the >>> "File" tab of the resulting Info window. That's close enough to an >>> install date for me. I suppose if we were to know why you need to know >>> when an app was installed, we might be able to help you better, but you >>> so far have refused to tell us. It doesn't seem like very useful >>> information to me. Oh well. >> >> the purchase date is almost always the install date. >> >> it's possible that someone buys an app via itunes and then syncs it to >> the device some time later, but that would be rare and likely not much >> later different anyway. i doubt someone would buy an app and wait >> months to sync it, but that possibility does exist, however small it >> may be. >> >> but the real question is what difference does it make. > That's what I'm wondering. It seems like we may never know, because > Sunshine refuses to tell us. Oh well. I did buy quite a few iPad apps int he year or so before I bought an iPad. I knew I was going to get one eventually, so I bought some apps as they went on sale. But that's not at all usual. (I bought CDs long before I owned a CD player too) -- http://2blog.kreme.com I CANNOT ABSOLVE SINS Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF14
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 15:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ac6b1$55034313$43da7656$21048@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46406 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:41:29 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > That's what I'm wondering. It seems like we may never know, because > Sunshine refuses to tell us. Oh well. I'm helping someone who is trying to clean up her iOS device, and who is wary of deleting things. She asked me how to tell when it was installed, presumably because the older ones were installed with her son's advice while the newer ones were installed on her initiative or on my advice. She just asked how to get the date, and I couldn't figure out how. Without macs, we can't figure out when so that's a datapoint which is not available to us. We can only figure out the last update, which is useless for her purpose.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320151645110663%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46427 |
In article <ac6b1$55034313$43da7656$21048@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > > That's what I'm wondering. It seems like we may never know, because > > Sunshine refuses to tell us. Oh well. > > I'm helping someone who is trying to clean up her iOS device, > and who is wary of deleting things. She asked me how to tell when > it was installed, presumably because the older ones were installed > with her son's advice while the newer ones were installed on her > initiative or on my advice. why would the date matter? have her delete the apps she doesn't want. done. if she changes her mind, the apps can be redownloaded at any time for no cost. keep in mind a free app can always become a paid app but you still get it for free. why make things more complicated than they need to be? > She just asked how to get the date, and I couldn't figure out > how. Without macs, we can't figure out when so that's a datapoint > which is not available to us. We can only figure out the last > update, which is useless for her purpose. a mac is not required and the answer was given already. you aren't paying attention.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 21:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg6n3r.4lv.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #46427 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> was all, like: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:41:29 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: >> That's what I'm wondering. It seems like we may never know, because >> Sunshine refuses to tell us. Oh well. > I'm helping someone who is trying to clean up her iOS device, > and who is wary of deleting things. She asked me how to tell when > it was installed, presumably because the older ones were installed > with her son's advice while the newer ones were installed on her > initiative or on my advice. See? That would nhave been useful information. There is no reason to not delete any apps she doesn't want since she can redownload them any time she wants. Regardless of who recommended them, if she doesn't use them she should delete them. -- http://2blog.kreme.com The Disc, being flat, has no real horizon. Any adventurous sailors who get funny ideas from staring at eggs and oranges for too long and set out for the antipodes soon learned that the reason why distant ships sometimes looked as though they were disappearing over the edge of the world was that they were disappearing over the edge of the world. --The Light Fantastic
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| From | bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 19:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <530395065447984357.679504address_is-invalid.invalid@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #46427 |
Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > > I'm helping someone who is trying to clean up her iOS device, > and who is wary of deleting things. She asked me how to tell when > it was installed, presumably because the older ones were installed > with her son's advice while the newer ones were installed on her > initiative or on my advice. > If she's using the app, keep it. If not using it, but it has some data she may want to keep, export, backup, or somehow transfer the data & delete the app. Deleting the app doesn't mean you can't reinstall it if you miss it after all. Just because her son, some famous guru, or you, recommended it doesn't mean it does anything for her in actual use. If she's reluctant to delete an app "just because", put it in a folder on the last Home Page out of the way. bj
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 20:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320152022041481%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46440 |
In article <530395065447984357.679504address_is-invalid.invalid@news.giganews.com>, bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote: > If she's reluctant to delete an app "just because", put it in a folder on > the last Home Page out of the way. you're forgetting that this person insists that apps must be in the proper predesignated folder which are entirely on one page. there is no 'last page'.
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 21:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7b6e8$5503a290$43da7656$28402@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46441 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:22:04 -0400, nospam wrote: > you're forgetting that this person insists that apps must be in the > proper predesignated folder which are entirely on one page. there is no > 'last page'. She has plenty of pages as she just lets the apps go where they go.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 23:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320152317101843%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46442 |
In article <7b6e8$5503a290$43da7656$28402@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > > you're forgetting that this person insists that apps must be in the > > proper predesignated folder which are entirely on one page. there is no > > 'last page'. > > She has plenty of pages as she just lets the apps go where they go. good.
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 08:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <66bec$55043e69$43da7656$3199@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46443 |
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 23:17:10 -0400, nospam wrote: >> She has plenty of pages as she just lets the apps go where they go. > > good. She's an octogenarian who loves Apple equipment after being thoroughly confused for years by all the PCs we bought her over the years, starting with one of the early windows operating systems. She doesn't even use her PC anymore. She thinks the iPad has changed her life. So that's good. She never could find a file on the PC, even if she received it in the mail just moments before. But, for some strange reason, she can find more things on Apple equipment; but, she still lets the computer do whatever it wants so she's fearfully afraid of deleting things, mostly for fear it will be something she needed. So she keeps everything. And it's a mess. So, she aks *me* how to do stuff, and when I ask you for help, the answer usually (but not always) is that it can't be done. Maybe I misunderstood the answer here, but, as far as I can tell, with her not having any other equipment but the iOS devices, it can't be done for her to tell what date she downloaded it. I usually wait a few days when I ask you guys the question, so, I just told her the answer and she was disappointed. But we move on.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmiv8pFcmecU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46448 |
On 2015-03-14, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 23:17:10 -0400, nospam wrote: > >>> She has plenty of pages as she just lets the apps go where they go. >> >> good. > > She's an octogenarian who loves Apple equipment after being thoroughly > confused for years by all the PCs we bought her over the years, starting > with one of the early windows operating systems. > > She doesn't even use her PC anymore. She thinks the iPad has changed > her life. So that's good. > > She never could find a file on the PC, even if she received it in the > mail just moments before. But, for some strange reason, she can > find more things on Apple equipment; but, she still lets the computer > do whatever it wants so she's fearfully afraid of deleting things, > mostly for fear it will be something she needed. > > So she keeps everything. And it's a mess. > > So, she aks *me* how to do stuff, and when I ask you for help, the > answer usually (but not always) is that it can't be done. > > Maybe I misunderstood the answer here, but, as far as I can tell, > with her not having any other equipment but the iOS devices, it > can't be done for her to tell what date she downloaded it. > > I usually wait a few days when I ask you guys the question, so, I > just told her the answer and she was disappointed. But we move on. What you should tell her is that she doesn't need to worry about the date it was installed. If she doesn't need the app, she can delete it. She can always re-install it later easily from the App Store. I'm pretty sure nospam or someone else already stated this. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 10:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58f2b$55044fdf$43da7656$3199@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46450 |
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:35:05 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > What you should tell her is that she doesn't need to worry about the > date it was installed. If she doesn't need the app, she can delete it. > She can always re-install it later easily from the App Store. I'm pretty > sure nospam or someone else already stated this. I saw that, and I knew that, and in fact, I told her that before she even asked me about the date. Her problem is that she's afraid of deleting the wrong thing. She can't recover from an erroneous deletion like you or I can. Heck, you or I can wipe out the entire operating system and it wouldn't be cause for concern. So, you have to remember she's even older than Michelle and not at all able like you or I am to recover from a mistake. So, all she wanted to know was how to figure out WHEN she installed something. Turns out, it can't be done. And that's that, like so many things on this equipment. There is no workaround. Anyway, unless it can be done, this particular question has found its answer from those who know the answers. And that's good.
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <550463b1$0$36594$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #46451 |
In article <58f2b$55044fdf$43da7656$3199@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > >Her problem is that she's afraid of deleting the wrong thing. She >can't recover from an erroneous deletion like you or I can. I thought you were available to help her. >So, you have to remember she's even older than Michelle and not >at all able like you or I am to recover from a mistake. And, of course, you get snide about Michelle yet again. >So, all she wanted to know was how to figure out WHEN she installed >something. Turns out, it can't be done. And that's that, like so many >things on this equipment. There is no workaround. And there it is...your standard slam against iOS. I knew it was coming. Please tell us, why exactly do you keep trying to disguise your identity by cowardly changing user IDs every time you start a new thread?
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 11:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bab34$550464c7$43da7656$4152@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46455 |
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:37:05 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: > I thought you were available to help her. By phone only. She often worries that she can't figure out how to recover from a mistake until she has a chance to talk to me or to one of her other grandchildren.
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 12:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1db81$55046959$43da7656$4151@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46455 |
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:37:05 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: > why exactly do you keep trying to disguise your identity It's not for you. If I wanted to hide from the likes of you, I certainly could. Easily. But I don't bother. Clearly. Nope. Nospam knows every time (well, actually about half the time, but he's the most astute guy here, other than Rod Speed and perhaps the less omnipresent David Empson, Alan Browne and Savage Duck, all of whom I hold the greatest respect for. It's for the bots. The mass accumulators. Those that will tie in the metadata details of all your posts, more cleverly than GG does, as you noted already (GG is pretty lame). The main way to avoid the metadata vacuum is to change the meta data. It's a well calculated technical process, and, if you find a flaw in it, let me know, because you're *not* making this association by the meta data! You're making that claim based purely on social cues. Of course, they *could* do the social mining, which you just did; but, if I were worried about that, I'd easily change syntax and a myriad of details and I'd use horrid punctuation and various cultures' vernacular, etc., but I'm not about to go to *that* much trouble just to avoid the automated meta-data vacuums. BTW ... it's never to avoid the killfile, as anyone is welcome to plonk me (I wish JR would figure this out sooner though). There's no need to killfile me, because all my threads ask reasonable questions and, for the most part, I avoid the off-topic tangents (e.g., between nospam & Rod Speed). You will note that any of my threads are reasonable, and most have no answer, merely because I have usually already tried to find the answer - and it wasn't forthcoming on the web. For example, you can't record on the iPad, and you can't find out the date the app was installed, and you can't even get useful WiFi statistics; but, you *can* get a half decent breadcrumbing app (only if you pay for it) yet some of them stink to high even (even if you do pay for them). Perhaps the best thing I learned was that the iOS lovers are a loyal bunch, who care a lot about their "brand", of which you are apparently one. They don't like to hear about any deficiencies in iOS, for the most part, and they make up excuses for its deficiencies - which is a true testament to its brand loyalty which I admire. This loyalty hampers their thought processes though, as they most often feel that there's no need for things, such as a simply copy over wire or a simple shortcut to a document on the desktop or a simple access to a single desktop of apps, or even a simple way to organize apps. This brand loyalty has its limits of course, as they can't even fathom how powerful a launcher can be, since they're perfectly content with the one and only launcher that iOS provides. They can't even conceive of a need for a simple wire transfer of a single file, because they're so comfortable with the iTunes model (of which, the less I state, the better). However, to your (plural) credit, many of the problem sets that I proposed, which I had thought had no answer from the beginning (else, I would have found the answer myself), actually *had* either an answer (such as totally free USA phone calls to and from the iPad without need of a cellular payment) or they had a viable workaround, such as editing arrows using Preview, neither of which I would have learned without the astute help from this (very) loyal brand of iOS lovers. So, kudos to the iOS intelligentsia, for the advancement of the capabilities of iOS-based products and their associated apps (and for figuring me out, but that isn't hard to figure out).
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 13:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <140320151304350499%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46457 |
In article <1db81$55046959$43da7656$4151@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > There's no need to killfile me, because all my threads ask > reasonable questions and, for the most part, I avoid the > off-topic tangents (e.g., between nospam & Rod Speed). bullshit. you might *start* asking a reasonable question but you reject all answers, which is when it derails into a flamefest.
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| From | Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 14:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c0070$550489ae$43da7656$5154@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #46461 |
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:04:35 -0400, nospam wrote: > bullshit. you might *start* asking a reasonable question but you reject > all answers, which is when it derails into a flamefest. Wow. There's a kettle calling the pot black. What is it that you do with Rod Speed all the time? To be clear, I don't participate in flamefests. There's no value in a flamefest. All I want is the answer to the question. 1. I search for an answer on the web. 2. If I don't find the answer, I ask a question. 3. There is either an answer of yes or no regarding that question. 4. I test out all reasonable suggestions and report back. 5. I generally explain why unreasonable suggestions are unreasonable, from my standpoint. 6. That's what you're probably calling a "flamefest". 7. The minute it gets unproductive, I bow out. In summary, the only thing I do, that you might consider a "flamefest", is that I respond to most people, even when they're *not* responding to the original topic. Like this response. But that's not a flamefest; that's just being courteous and respectful.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 15:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <140320151541476390%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46470 |
In article <c0070$550489ae$43da7656$5154@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > To be clear, I don't participate in flamefests. bullshit. > There's no value in a flamefest. > > All I want is the answer to the question. > 1. I search for an answer on the web. > 2. If I don't find the answer, I ask a question. > 3. There is either an answer of yes or no regarding that question. > 4. I test out all reasonable suggestions and report back. > 5. I generally explain why unreasonable suggestions are unreasonable, > from my standpoint. > 6. That's what you're probably calling a "flamefest". > 7. The minute it gets unproductive, I bow out. maybe in your fantasy it is, but the reality is more like this: 1. you search for the wrong search terms and get bad results 2. you ask a question 3. it's answered 4. you reject the answer because it doesn't fit your way of doing things even though it's very easy, sometimes even automatic. 5. you come up with some new way of doing it vastly more complicated 6. you then bash apple because to do what you want is so hard, never realizing that it's only hard because you made it hard. easier methods exist but you refuse them.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 20:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmjij3Fi2o1U11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46478 |
On 2015-03-14, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > maybe in your fantasy it is, but the reality is more like this: > > 1. you search for the wrong search terms and get bad results > 2. you ask a question > 3. it's answered > 4. you reject the answer because it doesn't fit your way of doing > things even though it's very easy, sometimes even automatic. > 5. you come up with some new way of doing it vastly more complicated > 6. you then bash apple because to do what you want is so hard, never > realizing that it's only hard because you made it hard. easier methods > exist but you refuse them. Bingo. BTW, "Sunshine", changing your name once a week virtually ensures that anyone who has killed your posts under your old name will see your new posts under your new name. Filtering with other criteria risks false positives. After a while, keeping up with all of your name changes is frankly more trouble than you are worth. Don't whine that people here keep responding to your asinine posts when you actively avoid their filters. You can shove that complaint right up your own ass as far as I care. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 13:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <140320151359064035%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #46457 |
In article <1db81$55046959$43da7656$4151@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Sunshine <sunshine@my.antispam.invalid> wrote: > Perhaps the best thing I learned was that the iOS lovers are > a loyal bunch, who care a lot about their "brand", of which > you are apparently one. They don't like to hear about any > deficiencies in iOS, for the most part, and they make up > excuses for its deficiencies Oh, we care about deficiencies, we care more than Apple-haters do. But we don't care much for irrelevant ones, and don't care at all for imaginary or fabricated ones. You seem to relish in the irrelevant, fabricated, and imaginary ones.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 20:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmjj0dFi2o1U13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46455 |
On 2015-03-14, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > > Please tell us, why exactly do you keep trying to disguise your identity > by cowardly changing user IDs every time you start a new thread? You just answered your own question: he's a coward. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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