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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-10-05 09:21 -0700 |
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Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 09:21 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 15:46 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 09:35 +1300
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 16:40 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 08:02 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-10-05 20:45 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 23:04 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 14:05 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 08:04 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 18:48 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 10:18 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-10-05 23:12 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:16 +1300
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 17:09 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-06 02:10 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 19:51 +1300
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 19:35 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 08:11 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 17:00 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-06 09:30 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 04:00 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-06 15:32 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 10:05 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-06 19:01 -0500
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 12:00 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-06 18:48 -0500
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwood2@btopenworld.com> - 2013-10-08 06:40 -0500
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-09 09:05 +1300
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-06 21:00 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 19:55 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-07 08:28 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-10-06 14:26 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 07:57 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-06 02:47 -0400
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2013-10-06 12:07 +0000
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 08:19 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Jon <jon@no-email.org> - 2013-10-06 17:34 +0100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 04:05 +1100
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Prancer <prancer@prancer.commatose> - 2013-10-06 10:22 -0700
Re: Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-07 09:10 +1300
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 09:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Two years after Steve Jobs' death, how's that new CEO working out? |
| Message-ID | <michelle-7E8A6F.09211905102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
His answer might surprise you. <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/05/tim_cook_and_apple_two_years_after_ steve_jobs_death/> -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 15:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <52506c9e$0$10761$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #28038 |
On 13-10-05 12:21, Michelle Steiner wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/05/tim_cook_and_apple_two_years_after_ > steve_jobs_death/ It should be noted that at either the June or September keynote, Cook mentioned the great collaboration within the teams. Not so subtle hint that things had changed since the corporate re-org. The article does make one mistake though. When comparing gaps between the totally new products, he mentions it has only been 2 years since death or Mr Jobs. But his death was not a new product. The last new product was the iPad (and it can be argued that the last totally new product is really the iPhone since the iPad is just a bigger iPhone without voice support).
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 09:35 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061020130935042382%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #28039 |
In article <52506c9e$0$10761$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-10-05 12:21, Michelle Steiner wrote: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/05/tim_cook_and_apple_two_years_after_ > > steve_jobs_death/ > > It should be noted that at either the June or September keynote, Cook > mentioned the great collaboration within the teams. Not so subtle hint > that things had changed since the corporate re-org. > > The article does make one mistake though. When comparing gaps between > the totally new products, he mentions it has only been 2 years since > death or Mr Jobs. > > But his death was not a new product. The last new product was the iPad > (and it can be argued that the last totally new product is really the > iPhone since the iPad is just a bigger iPhone without voice support). If you really want to get silly, it could be argued that the iPhone / iPad is really just a Newton running Mac OS X, and since OS X was bought from NExT, the "last new product" from Apple was actually the Newton. ;-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 16:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051020131640517126%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28040 |
In article <061020130935042382%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > If you really want to get silly, it could be argued that the iPhone / > iPad is really just a Newton running Mac OS X, and since OS X was > bought from NExT, the "last new product" from Apple was actually the > Newton. ;-) no, it can't.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 08:02 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbbd3aFir1oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28039 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote > Michelle Steiner wrote >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/05/tim_cook_and_apple_two_years_after_steve_jobs_death/ > It should be noted that at either the June or September keynote, > Cook mentioned the great collaboration within the teams. Not > so subtle hint that things had changed since the corporate re-org. > The article does make one mistake though. When comparing > gaps between the totally new products, he mentions it has > only been 2 years since death or Mr Jobs. > But his death was not a new product. Yes, but it is the time during which Cook was driving the bus. > The last new product was the iPad Yes. > (and it can be argued that the last totally new product is really the > iPhone since the iPad is just a bigger iPhone without voice support). Nope, tablets are just as different to phones as say the iphone is to the ipod touch. You can claim that the iphone is just an ipod touch with voice support and that would be accurate. It is very different for that reason tho. Although you can certainly claim that the ipod touch is just the iphone with some capability missing. Its much close to that than the ipad is.
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| From | Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 20:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051020132045557978%invid@loclanet.com> |
| In reply to | #28042 |
In article <bbbd3aFir1oU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote > > > (and it can be argued that the last totally new product is really the > > iPhone since the iPad is just a bigger iPhone without voice support). > > Nope, tablets are just as different to phones as say the iphone is to the > ipod touch. You can claim that the iphone is just an ipod touch with voice > support and that would be accurate. It is very different for that reason > tho. > > Although you can certainly claim that the ipod touch is just the iphone > with some capability missing. Its much close to that than the ipad is. > The Touch came after the iPhone, and is indeed just the iPhone with the phone part removed. I consider them the same product, where as the iPad is different. -- Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!" 'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 23:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5250d34d$0$47835$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #28046 |
On 13-10-05 20:45, Invid Fan wrote: > The Touch came after the iPhone, and is indeed just the iPhone with the > phone part removed. I consider them the same product, where as the iPad > is different. I consider the iPod Touch far closer to iPad than to iPhone. However, the iPad does have the option of cellular support (with voice disabled) which the iPod Touch doesn't have. The main difference is that it uses apps tailored for iphone instead of those tailpred for larger screens of iPad.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 14:05 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbc2dhFmq9vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28046 |
Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote > Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote >>> (and it can be argued that the last totally new product is really the >>> iPhone since the iPad is just a bigger iPhone without voice support). >> Nope, tablets are just as different to phones as say the iphone is to the >> ipod touch. You can claim that the iphone is just an ipod touch with >> voice >> support and that would be accurate. It is very different for that reason >> tho. >> Although you can certainly claim that the ipod touch is just the iphone >> with some capability missing. Its much close to that than the ipad is. > The Touch came after the iPhone, and is indeed > just the iPhone with the phone part removed. Yes, but clearly not a TOTALLY NEW PRODUCT. > I consider them the same product, where as the iPad is different. Only in the sense that the screen is different. Still not anything like a TOTALLY NEW PRODUCT.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 08:04 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbbd7jFirqdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28038 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote > His answer might surprise you. Nope. > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/05/tim_cook_and_apple_two_years_after_steve_jobs_death/> You can certainly make a case that Apple needs someone like Cook driving the entire bus rather than someone like Jobs who did a relatively lousy job of organising the manufacturing side.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 18:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5250973a$0$49433$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #28043 |
The vertiginous rise to $700 was likely due to hopes by speculators of the next-best-iToy-since-sliced-bread and they were fueling this by predicting AAPL would rise above $1000 within weeks, and predicting Apple's irish leprechauns would have problems handling all that cash flowing into the pot-of-gold. The iPhone 5 was used as a report card for Tim Cook as it was "his" first iPhone. People had expected a revolution, both because of the speculators, and because after the 4s, people were expecting a radical change as had happened between 3Gs and 4. Wall Street Casino Analysts were quick to declare doom, short the stock and then issue a constant stream of bad news and disapointements (remember how Apple broke sales records for the first weekend of 5, yet these analysts declared it a disapointement and predicted Apple's doom) As the speculators left AAPL, they shorted the stock for one last quick buck and then continued to issue bad predictions to drive AAPL down. This made Tim Cook look bad because it happened under his tenure. But was it really his fault ? Looking back, where Apple erred is in the summer before the 5 came out. It should have moderated expectations to cool down the wild speculators. But doing so at the same time Jobs was leaving and handing over to Cook would have been seen as admission that the era of success at Apple was over with departure of Jobs. What is significant about the change from Jobs to Cook is the transformation of Apple Inc. into a more mature company with less cowboy "gut feeling" leadership. That this happened at the same time as the smartphone also became mature is more of a bad timing/coincidence than cause/effect, but it may turn out to be good in the long term because under Cook, Apple is likely better managed and you need that when your products enter a maturing phase. I think Michelle or someone else did bring a good argument about delay between major new products. While under Cook, Apple appears better managed with fewer conflucts etc, Cook has yet to demostrate Apple's continued ability to come ouit with something totatlly new. And thios is where timing becomes importrant. It may be too soon to judge him on that, but give a year or two, and then it becomes fair game to judge him on ability to innovate. The one HUGE difference I see between Jobs and Cook is that Jobs might have been able to convince Hollywood to play ball with Apple's TV ambitions, whereas Cook might not. Building a 60" iphone you hang on a wall is easy. Everyone does it, and guess what, I am not sure anyone is actually making money selling large TVs. Sharp almost went belly up, Sony not making money, and I think LG and Samsung have gotten together to reduce costs. If Apple is to make any money on TV, it will be because it will have negotiated access to content. And that requires a Reality Distortion Field to convince legacy managers in Hollywood to take the leap of faith, abandon legacy TV distribution and jump in bed with Apple. Not sure anyone within Apple has what it takes to do that. My guess is that Apple realised this isn't close and is working on something else. (I had speculated on the iBriefs underwear, but it could also be the iDishwasher. the iToaster etc. Perhsonally, I think the iStereo is where Apple should go. Besically a glorified Apple TV with high quality surround amplifier and plenty of plugs to support all the AV equipment one has as well as perhaps the iTuner inside to listen to FM and AM radio. User interface could be on a front panel or any iDevice via W-Fi.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 10:18 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbbl3lFke18U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28044 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote > The vertiginous rise to $700 was likely due to hopes by speculators of > the next-best-iToy-since-sliced-bread and they were fueling this by > predicting AAPL would rise above $1000 within weeks, and predicting > Apple's irish leprechauns would have problems handling all that cash > flowing into the pot-of-gold. > The iPhone 5 was used as a report card for Tim Cook as it was "his" > first iPhone. People had expected a revolution, both because of the > speculators, and because after the 4s, people were expecting a > radical change as had happened between 3Gs and 4. Wasn't going to happen, and wouldn't have even if Jobs had not died. > Wall Street Casino Analysts were quick to declare doom, short the stock > and then issue a constant stream of bad news and disapointements > (remember how Apple broke sales records for the first weekend of 5, yet > these analysts declared it a disapointement and predicted Apple's doom) > As the speculators left AAPL, they shorted the stock for one last quick > buck and then continued to issue bad predictions to drive AAPL down. > This made Tim Cook look bad because it happened under his tenure. > But was it really his fault ? > Looking back, where Apple erred is in the summer before the 5 came out. > It should have moderated expectations to cool down the wild speculators. > But doing so at the same time Jobs was leaving and handing over to Cook > would have been seen as admission that the era of success at Apple was > over with departure of Jobs. > What is significant about the change from Jobs to Cook is the > transformation of Apple Inc. into a more mature company with less cowboy > "gut feeling" leadership. That this happened at the same time as the > smartphone also became mature is more of a bad timing/coincidence than > cause/effect, but it may turn out to be good in the long term because > under Cook, Apple is likely better managed and you need that when your > products enter a maturing phase. But it remains to be seen what has happened as far as that other crucial thing for Apple, both recruiting enough of those who do produce the radical new products and allowing them to get Apple to do them successfully. Its far from clear how important Job's approach to dealing with people like that mattered yet. > I think Michelle or someone else did bring a good argument about > delay between major new products. While under Cook, Apple appears > better managed with fewer conflucts etc, Cook has yet to demostrate > Apple's continued ability to come ouit with something totatlly new. Because there isnt anything totally new that even Jobs could manage. It was easy to do that with the iphone because that is clearly a very important consumer product that Apple was not involved with, and that's true a lesser extent with the ipad and even the ipod. BUT there isnt anything else left like that now even if the sun did shine out of Cook's arse. > And thios is where timing becomes importrant. It may be too > soon to judge him on that, but give a year or two, and then it > becomes fair game to judge him on ability to innovate. No, because like I said, there is no revolutionary new product area that is even possible for Apple now. The watch just doesn't cut it because of its radical limitations on size alone unless someone can work out how to make to put images into your head etc. And even if they could, you still have a problem with getting what the user wants to tell the system to do into the watch too. And even if both those problems are fixed, its still better as a phone with a radically better user interface because it's a lot less vulnerable in your pocket than on your wrist. And even allowing you to control your TV with the iphone or ipod or ipad isnt a radically new product. > The one HUGE difference I see between Jobs and Cook is > that Jobs might have been able to convince Hollywood to > play ball with Apple's TV ambitions, whereas Cook might not. True. > Building a 60" iphone you hang on a wall is easy. > Everyone does it, and guess what, I am not sure > anyone is actually making money selling large TVs. Bet Samsung does. > Sharp almost went belly up, Sony not making money, and I > think LG and Samsung have gotten together to reduce costs. Doesn't mean they arent making money tho. > If Apple is to make any money on TV, it will be because it will have > negotiated access to content. And that requires a Reality Distortion > Field to convince legacy managers in Hollywood to take the leap of > faith, abandon legacy TV distribution and jump in bed with Apple. > Not sure anyone within Apple has what it takes to do that. Not convinced that anyone anywhere does either. > My guess is that Apple realised this isn't > close and is working on something else. Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt even trying to find a radical new product anymore. > (I had speculated on the iBriefs underwear, but > it could also be the iDishwasher. the iToaster etc. Cant see it myself. None of those would benefit from a radically new approach to the UI and that's all the iphone ever was. > Perhsonally, I think the iStereo is where Apple should go. I don't. That's all available now from lots of people just like it is with TVs. Nothing Apple can do is that radical now. > Besically a glorified Apple TV with high quality surround amplifier > and plenty of plugs to support all the AV equipment one has as > well as perhaps the iTuner inside to listen to FM and AM radio. Those are all buyable now. > User interface could be on a front panel or any iDevice via W-Fi. All buyable right now.
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| From | Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-05 23:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051020132312255407%invid@loclanet.com> |
| In reply to | #28045 |
In article <bbbl3lFke18U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt > even trying to find a radical new product anymore. > Oh, I'm sure they're working on SOMETHING, some product that might not be ready for another decade. You say "mature market" as if there is only one market Apple is dealing with. Somewhere in Apple, a team is coming up with new products others haven't tried yet. Somewhere else in Apple, they're looking at products that have flopped in the past and seeing if they can finally get them good enough to be a success. They have the money, and tradition, to take the long view of development. To not, for example, release an unready Newton, but instead keep products in development until they actually are consumer ready. -- Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!" 'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 17:16 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061020131716322393%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #28049 |
In article <051020132312255407%invid@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote: > In article <bbbl3lFke18U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt > > even trying to find a radical new product anymore. > > > Oh, I'm sure they're working on SOMETHING, some product that might not > be ready for another decade. You say "mature market" as if there is > only one market Apple is dealing with. Somewhere in Apple, a team is > coming up with new products others haven't tried yet. Somewhere else in > Apple, they're looking at products that have flopped in the past and > seeing if they can finally get them good enough to be a success. They > have the money, and tradition, to take the long view of development. To > not, for example, release an unready Newton, but instead keep products > in development until they actually are consumer ready. iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-)
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 17:09 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbcd5oFonorU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28050 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote > Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote >> Rod Speed> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt >>> even trying to find a radical new product anymore. >> Oh, I'm sure they're working on SOMETHING, some product that might >> not be ready for another decade. You say "mature market" as if there is >> only one market Apple is dealing with. Somewhere in Apple, a team is >> coming up with new products others haven't tried yet. Somewhere else >> in Apple, they're looking at products that have flopped in the past and >> seeing if they can finally get them good enough to be a success. They >> have the money, and tradition, to take the long view of development. >> To not, for example, release an unready Newton, but instead keep >> products in development until they actually are consumer ready. > iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-) None of those are anything like that even if Apple does eventually have a product with one of those. They'd actually be much close to the iphone and ipod and ipad. I can't see an iWatch being that unless they can work out how to use it as the only sensor for all the biometrics that matter or the most important ones anyway. Because for anything else the format is just too limited. I cant see iTV being any better than Samsung TV unless Apple can work out how to get the industry to let them flog content like they do with the iTunes store etc and that doesn't look that likely IMO. iGlasses would certainly be a very useful and marketable product if they can make it work, particularly for those who already wear prescription glasses. But it remains to be seen if anyone can work out how to allow the user to specify what they want done with that format. I guess some combination of blinking and where you are looking might be viable, but that's been researched for a hell of a long time now for the profoundly disabled and nothing much has shown up there yet, and so its a tad unlikely that Apple will leave the rest of the world for dead there now.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 02:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5250fec5$0$59839$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #28050 |
On 13-10-06 00:16, Your Name wrote: > iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-) Nobody has mentioned iBelt. Think about it. Good location to put in stuff, and if the belt is well designed, you can hang your phone on it too. (The buckle would of course have the lighted Apple logo on it) Of course, Apple would have to work hard to make belts "cool" to wear for the young generation who wears pants halfway down to the knees. Another possibility: iWallet. A real wallet, but with battery and electronics in it. So your wallet also has an iPhone in it as well as your credit cards, ID and actual money.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 19:51 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <061020131951263798%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #28053 |
In article <5250fec5$0$59839$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-10-06 00:16, Your Name wrote: > > > iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-) > > Nobody has mentioned iBelt. Think about it. Good location to put in > stuff, and if the belt is well designed, you can hang your phone on it too. > > (The buckle would of course have the lighted Apple logo on it) > > Of course, Apple would have to work hard to make belts "cool" to wear > for the young generation who wears pants halfway down to the knees. Been there, done that ... <http://www.wechselwild.com/sites/default/files/styles/detailseite/publi c/product-images/motif_with_baer_black/142/14281--ibelt2_0.jpg> and <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3MCoQwTLKU> :-) > Another possibility: > > iWallet. A real wallet, but with battery and electronics in it. So > your wallet also has an iPhone in it as well as your credit cards, ID > and actual money. Been there, done that ... <http://www.iwalletusa.com/> See, nothing's new any more. ;-) Maybe the iCar is next. Steve Jobs is said to have been interested in making a car. These ones aren't too bad (if too Audi-like for the first one) ... <http://dl.maclife.com/1126_icar_profile_credit_1200.jpg> <http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/icar.jpg> and this one is just awful ... <http://realitypod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Apple-iMove-Concept-St udy-7-jpg_051815.jpg> but this one is probably the winner (as long as it's not raining) ... <http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/original_32453 5_qyti96fAgvzxLAo1n8JayH5rk.jpg> ;-)
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 19:35 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbclnlFqdtmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28053 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote > Your Name wrote >> iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-) > Nobody has mentioned iBelt. Because it ain't gunna fly for the average consumer. > Think about it. No thanks, that just makes my head hurt. > Good location to put in stuff, and if the belt is well > designed, you can hang your phone on it too. Most of us have stopped doing that now. > (The buckle would of course have the lighted Apple logo on it) How 60s... > Of course, Apple would have to work hard to make belts "cool" to wear > for the young generation who wears pants halfway down to the knees. Yeah, that is a bit of a problem. > Another possibility: > iWallet. A real wallet, but with battery and electronics in it. > So your wallet also has an iPhone in it as well as your credit > cards, ID and actual money. Makes a lot more sense to have the iphone do all that stuff instead.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 08:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-3375F4.08115206102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #28053 |
In article <5250fec5$0$59839$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > iWatch, iTV, ... or maybe iGlasses. ;-) > > Nobody has mentioned iBelt. Think about it. Good location to put in > stuff, and if the belt is well designed, you can hang your phone on it > too. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE> -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 17:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bbcclsFol1dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28049 |
Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt >> even trying to find a radical new product anymore. > Oh, I'm sure they're working on SOMETHING, Sure, but not a radical new product. They have never had one of those since the original computer and then the Mac. Everything since then has just been doing much better what is already a buyable product and very late with the iphone too. > some product that might not be ready for another decade. I don't think that is at all likely. They have never done that before. Even the original computer wasn't that either. > You say "mature market" as if there is > only one market Apple is dealing with. No, I was talking about all the markets that Apple is involved in and others that are likely markets that Apple might be interested in. > Somewhere in Apple, a team is coming up > with new products others haven't tried yet. I don't believe that given that they never have done anything like that. > Somewhere else in Apple, they're looking at products that have flopped in > the past and seeing if they can finally get them good enough to be a > success. Sure, but there isnt any real evidence that Apple has ever come up with a viable product that way. Even Siri isn't anything like that. The original Mac GUI wasn't either. > They have the money, and tradition, to take the long view of development. Sure, but that hasn't produced anything radically new. > To not, for example, release an unready Newton, but instead keep > products in development until they actually are consumer ready. They didn't even do that with the ipod or iphone or ipad or Mac.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-06 09:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-213042.09304306102013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28051 |
In article <bbcclsFol1dU1@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote > > >> Or realises that it's a mature market now and isnt > >> even trying to find a radical new product anymore. > > > Oh, I'm sure they're working on SOMETHING, > > Sure, but not a radical new product. Like you know. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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