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| First post | 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000 |
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Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:53 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 18:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 07:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 11:14 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 18:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 02:05 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-04 01:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 07:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-02 22:47 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 21:22 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 11:21 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 15:27 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 19:31 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 17:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 20:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-15 02:01 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 16:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-17 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 20:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-18 01:34 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-19 21:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 01:16 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 04:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 15:45 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 16:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 19:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-21 17:36 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-21 17:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 11:34 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 09:00 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-22 07:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 10:59 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 19:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 15:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 19:49 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-12 02:20 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 04:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vs84bb$2fbe$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:04:58 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : >>> Nobody else but Apple prevents installer re-use on HW-compatible devices. >>> >>> Just Apple. It's just one of the many ways Apple fucks their own >>> customers. >> >> How does it "fuck" them, exactly? > > Ahahahahahahaha. In case those lurking aren't aware, Alan Baker is an Apple troll who denies anything about Apple that he hates which, in this case, is that only Apple fucks every single customer up the ass EVERY time they install an IPA. On non-toy operating systems (e.g., Windows, Android, Linux, etc.), if you install a free app on one machine, you can install that same app on another (as long as we're assuming compatible hardware & underlying API versions). But on the toy operating system from Apple, every single IPA has your unique Apple ID (or family plan ID) locked into the app - even free apps. Since Apple directly ties *EVERY SINGLE APP TO YOU!* that you've added to your iOS device (via your mandatory AppleID required to install that app), Apple is well known to track that app usage directly to your own actions! Apple *lies* when Apple says there is more privacy on iOS when nobody can track all your app usage on any other operating system but Apple's iOS. While Apple's lies do harm (because people pay for a privacy they can't get), it's way worse than that when you try to re-use those IPAs on another device, when that other device MUST be one registered to your own Apple ID. No other operating system vendor but Apple fucks their customer like that. On Android, every free APK can be re-used on *any* compatible device. Same with Windows. Same with Linux. Only Apple fucks their customer with every single app that is installed. a. Apple's lies about privacy (there's less privacy on iOS than Android) b. Apple's app tracking (look it up!) c. Apple's lock against reuse (of free apps!)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7u5lblxjel.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147467 |
On 2025-03-29 07:35, Marion wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:04:58 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : ... > No other operating system vendor but Apple fucks their customer like that. > > On Android, every free APK can be re-used on *any* compatible device. > Same with Windows. Same with Linux. > > Only Apple fucks their customer with every single app that is installed. > a. Apple's lies about privacy (there's less privacy on iOS than Android) > b. Apple's app tracking (look it up!) > c. Apple's lock against reuse (of free apps!) But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. On all systems, you can install commercial software only on the machines the license entitles you. If it is one machine, then it is a single, one, machine. It is perfectly fair for Apple to provide commercial software. Many companies do the same for other operating systems. Nobody is obligated to provide their software as free. It is their choice, and no, you can not blame or insult them for that. Just don't buy it. That's your choice as customer. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vs9bce$lhf$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147468 |
On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote : > But Apple is a commercial system. Hi Carlos, Both Android & iOS are unique in a way that no other operating system is: Android is unique in that every app installed has its installer autosaved. Which is a good thing. iOS is unique in that every app installed is locked to a single Apple ID. Which is a bad thing. Apple *lied* when they claim iOS is more private than Android when, in fact, Apple tracks your use of every app by a unique ID inserted by Apple. No other operating system would *dare* to track its users so invasively. Just Apple. > They do not provide free software. We're talking about free app installers that the user downloads & installs. We're talking about what's *different* about Android from other operating systems, such as that installer APK is always sitting on the file system. That's unique to Android. And that's a good thing. Because that free installer can be re-used at will. Note that on every operating system other than iOS, you can re-use a free installer on any compatible machine - so what's UNIQUE to Android is the fact that the free installer is ALWAYS auto-saved to the device itself. > On all systems, you can install > commercial software only on the machines the license entitles you. Re-use of commercial apps is an (almost) completely different topic. While payware app installers are also auto-saved on Android, that only allows the user who bought the app to re-use it within the terms of the purchase. So, of course payware apps are locked to "something" to prevent re-use. We're only talking here about free apps, mostly that the user installed (although for Android, the re-use extends also to installed system apps). > If it is one machine, then it is a single, one, machine. We're talking about what's unique to Android for free apps, which is: a. Every app installer (free or otherwise) is auto-saved on Android b. No other operating system auto-saves that installer, by design On my Android, as you know, I have about 900 free apps installed. There is the original installer saved on Android for every single one. That's how Android works. Android never deletes the original APK for installed apps. And that is a good thing. Because it allows re-use. Specifically for free apps that have a "last known good version" APK. So even if the specific app or specific version is no longer in the repositories, the user can use that app for himself & for billions of others for as long as the hardware it's being re-used on is compatible. That's a good thing. > It is perfectly fair for Apple to provide commercial software. Many > companies do the same for other operating systems. Nobody is obligated > to provide their software as free. It is their choice, and no, you can > not blame or insult them for that. Just don't buy it. That's your choice > as customer. Almost everything about iOS is bad for the user in terms of app re-use. On every other operating system other than iOS, if the user downloads and installs a free application, that app installer, if saved, still works on *billions* of other similar devices (let's always assume they're compatible in terms of hardware & API levels for the purpose of this discussion). Only on iOS does a free installer only work for one user & one user only. That's unique to iOS. And that's a bad thing. And only on iOS, does the mothership insert a unique tracking ID into every app, and then Apple uses that tracking ID to invade your privacy every day. The extent of that privacy invasion inserted on every app is unique to iOS. And that's a bad thing. -- We could get into details of family sharing but that's a minor complexity.
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| From | Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vs9n14$29b0t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147469 |
Marion wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >> But Apple is a commercial system. > > Hi Carlos, > > Both Android & iOS are unique in a way that no other operating system is: > > Android is unique in that every app installed has its installer autosaved. > Which is a good thing. > iOS is unique in that every app installed is locked to a single Apple ID. > Which is a bad thing. > > Apple *lied* when they claim iOS is more private than Android when, in > fact, Apple tracks your use of every app by a unique ID inserted by Apple. > > No other operating system would *dare* to track its users so invasively. > Just Apple. > >> They do not provide free software. > > We're talking about free app installers that the user downloads & installs. > > We're talking about what's *different* about Android from other operating > systems, such as that installer APK is always sitting on the file system. > > That's unique to Android. > And that's a good thing. > > Because that free installer can be re-used at will. > > Note that on every operating system other than iOS, you can re-use a free > installer on any compatible machine - so what's UNIQUE to Android is the > fact that the free installer is ALWAYS auto-saved to the device itself. > >> On all systems, you can install commercial software only on the >> machines the license entitles you. > > Re-use of commercial apps is an (almost) completely different topic. > > While payware app installers are also auto-saved on Android, that only > allows the user who bought the app to re-use it within the terms of the > purchase. > > So, of course payware apps are locked to "something" to prevent re-use. > > We're only talking here about free apps, mostly that the user installed > (although for Android, the re-use extends also to installed system apps). > >> If it is one machine, then it is a single, one, machine. > > We're talking about what's unique to Android for free apps, which is: > a. Every app installer (free or otherwise) is auto-saved on Android > b. No other operating system auto-saves that installer, by design > > On my Android, as you know, I have about 900 free apps installed. > There is the original installer saved on Android for every single one. > > That's how Android works. Android never deletes the original APK for > installed apps. > And that is a good thing. > > Because it allows re-use. > Specifically for free apps that have a "last known good version" APK. > > So even if the specific app or specific version is no longer in the > repositories, the user can use that app for himself & for billions of > others for as long as the hardware it's being re-used on is compatible. > > That's a good thing. > >> It is perfectly fair for Apple to provide commercial software. Many >> companies do the same for other operating systems. Nobody is obligated >> to provide their software as free. It is their choice, and no, you can >> not blame or insult them for that. Just don't buy it. That's your >> choice as customer. > > Almost everything about iOS is bad for the user in terms of app re-use. > > On every other operating system other than iOS, if the user downloads and > installs a free application, that app installer, if saved, still works on > *billions* of other similar devices (let's always assume they're compatible > in terms of hardware & API levels for the purpose of this discussion). > > Only on iOS does a free installer only work for one user & one user only. > > That's unique to iOS. > And that's a bad thing. > > And only on iOS, does the mothership insert a unique tracking ID into every > app, and then Apple uses that tracking ID to invade your privacy every day. > > The extent of that privacy invasion inserted on every app is unique to iOS. > And that's a bad thing. Nah, apple and android both screw their customers, just in different ways. But neither has been as successful as Trump.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsaoed$14o2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147470 |
On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:00:13 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : >> The extent of that privacy invasion inserted on every app is unique to iOS. >> And that's a bad thing. > > Nah, apple and android both screw their customers, just in different > ways. But neither has been as successful as Trump. I don't disagree that both Apple & Google (and Microsoft too) screw their customers trying to make a buck off of them, but what's unique isn't that. What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. And that's good. What's unique to iOS that no other operating system does is Apple deceitfully inserts a unique tracking ID into every app you install. And that's bad.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vscm5u$2nsik$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147472 |
On 2025-03-29 23:30, Marion wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:00:13 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : > > >>> The extent of that privacy invasion inserted on every app is unique >>> to iOS. >>> And that's a bad thing. >> >> Nah, apple and android both screw their customers, just in different >> ways. But neither has been as successful as Trump. > > I don't disagree that both Apple & Google (and Microsoft too) screw their > customers trying to make a buck off of them, but what's unique isn't that. > > What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android > saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. > > And that's good. Unless you need the space...
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| From | Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vsdfgi$1erf6$1@matrix.hispagatos.org> |
| In reply to | #147474 |
On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:04:13 -0700, Alan wrote: >> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >> >> And that's good. > > Unless you need the space... With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. Here's a 128GB high quality SanDisk 200MB/s sdcard for twenty bucks. https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Extreme-UHS-I-Memory/dp/B09X7FXHVJ/ If that is too small, here's a fast 512GB card for thirty-five bucks. https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-microSDXC-Nintendo-Switch-MB-ME512SA-AM/dp/B0CWPPMD8W/ How much does it cost to double storage space on a typical iPhone?
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m4v45jFhthU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147478 |
Bill Powell, 2025-03-31 09:16: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:04:13 -0700, Alan wrote: > >>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>> >>> And that's good. >> >> Unless you need the space... > > With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. Only, if you can use MicroSD cards *and* if you configure the card to be used as "internal memory". Otherwise they only get added as external storage and can *not* be used to install apps on them. And since MicroSD cards tend to work much less reliable than internal memory, you may also experience problems when using them this way. And if the card does not work any longer, this usally means you have to setup at least all affected apps again and sometimes your whole device starting with a fresh installation, because you can not just replace the card *after* you have configured it as "internal memory". A better approach is to get a device with enough internal memory for all your apps and their data (even mainstream devices provide at least 128 GB or more nowadays) and use an MicroSD card for additional data like pictures, music etc. only. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vsee4p$lv1j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147481 |
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 11:04:51 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >>>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>>> >>>> And that's good. >>> >>> Unless you need the space... >> >> With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. > > Only, if you can use MicroSD cards *and* if you configure the card to be > used as "internal memory". That's just wrong. https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/using-an-sd-card/ > Otherwise they only get added as external storage and can *not* be > used to install apps on them. There are two use models for sdcards. Integrated Storage (also known as Internal Expansion) & Removable Storage (also known as Portable Storage). https://support.google.com/android/answer/12153449?hl=en > And since MicroSD cards tend to work much less reliable than internal > memory, you may also experience problems when using them this way. While anything can fail, your argument against removable storage is first wrong, and now faulty. https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-SD-Card-on-Android Your argument is wickedly against trains because truck tires can go flat? > And > if the card does not work any longer, this usally means you have to > setup at least all affected apps again and sometimes your whole device > starting with a fresh installation, because you can not just replace the > card *after* you have configured it as "internal memory". Your argument is like you saying we have to use a freight train instead of a truck to move goods and then you complain that trucks get flat tires. The reason your first argument is dead wrong is that you argue against trucks because freight trains are constrained to railroad tracks. https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-microsd-card/ The reason your second argument is faulty is that there's redundancy in truck tires & failures are few & far between that they're still useful. > A better approach is to get a device with enough internal memory for all > your apps and their data (even mainstream devices provide at least 128 > GB or more nowadays) and use an MicroSD card for additional data like > pictures, music etc. only. Your entire argument is first dead wrong & second overly pessimistic. You want to get a good memory card where it has met standards & reviews. https://www.amazon.com/Memory-Cards-Top-Brands/s?keywords=Memory+Cards You argue that you need to buy a warehouse because your argument is you can only transport goods using freight trains (which are severely constrained to railroad tracks) but then you state the reason you must buy an entire warehouse is because truck tires don't last forever, so you can't even use trucks. You must buy a huge warehouse to store your stuff. Put back in direct terms, almost nobody uses sdcards for Internal Expansion. They use sdcards for Portable Storage. You need to look up the difference before you make wrong & false arguments. https://www.kentfaith.ca/blog/article_how-to-use-a-sd-card-on-android_3608
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m502h3F5hdmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147485 |
Isaac Montara, 2025-03-31 17:59: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 11:04:51 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote: > >>>>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >>>>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>>>> >>>>> And that's good. >>>> >>>> Unless you need the space... >>> >>> With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. >> >> Only, if you can use MicroSD cards *and* if you configure the card to be >> used as "internal memory". > > That's just wrong. > https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/using-an-sd-card/ No - you contradict yourself below... >> Otherwise they only get added as external storage and can *not* be >> used to install apps on them. > > There are two use models for sdcards. Integrated Storage (also known as > Internal Expansion) & Removable Storage (also known as Portable Storage). > https://support.google.com/android/answer/12153449?hl=en Exactly - this is what I talked about. Why do you say, I am wrong, when you confirm exactly what I explained? >> And since MicroSD cards tend to work much less reliable than internal >> memory, you may also experience problems when using them this way. > > While anything can fail, your argument against removable storage is first > wrong, and now faulty. https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-SD-Card-on-Android What's your problem? > Your argument is wickedly against trains because truck tires can go flat? What? [...] > Your entire argument is first dead wrong & second overly pessimistic. No, it is based on nearly 20 years of experience with that. Do you want all my dead microSD cards? I can give you many examples of cards which died over the years. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vsf5lc$1f7ni$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147487 |
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:42:58 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Your entire argument is first dead wrong & second overly pessimistic. > > No, it is based on nearly 20 years of experience with that. Do you want > all my dead microSD cards? I can give you many examples of cards which > died over the years. I didn't mean to offend you. I was just explaining that there are two possible common uses of sdcards on Android devices, one of which is to extend the memory but almost nobody bothers doing that nowadays. The second usage is what everyone who puts a card in their phone does. It is instant "extra storage" which is cheap and reliable. You can say you have "many examples" of cards that failed just as the rest of us (including me) have "many examples" of cards that did not fail on us. I've never had a card fail. Does that mean anything? Not much. It just means that putting the card inside the phone works wonders for me. If I wanted to, it's easy to back up as almost all PCs have sd drives. If putting the card inside your phone isn't working for you, then maybe your phone is a Pixel? If so, that's your fault for buying Google phones. Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. Can you guess why?
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vsisfl$1cfuj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147493 |
Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote: > Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. > Can you guess why? ooooh ooooh oooh (raises hand and flags down the professor)... Let me guess. Apple gives you 5GB of "free" cloud storage for your 256GB device, which means you have to multiply that 5GB by about 50 times to store your stuff. If you want to expand your storage about 200GB, both Apple & Google will charge you the same low low incredibly low (act fast!) monthly fee of only a mere pittance of $2.99 per month, which is about $36 for a year (which, incidentally, is about how much any similar sized sd card would have cost). But then you need that storage for ten years (or whatever), so now that one-time NRE of ~$36 would have saved you ~$360 dollars paying for storage. Since both Apple & Google benefit to the tune of a few hundred dollars per each person who owns their devices has to pay them, it makes sense why they don't spend the couple of bucks it would cost for them to put an sdslot in.
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 15:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsjkvd$25mtr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147508 |
On 4/2/25 1:28 AM, Peter wrote: >Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote: > >> Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. >> Can you guess why? > >ooooh ooooh oooh (raises hand and flags down the professor)... >Let me guess. > >Apple gives you 5GB of "free" cloud storage for your 256GB device, which >means you have to multiply that 5GB by about 50 times to store your stuff. >If you want to expand your storage about 200GB, both Apple & Google will >charge you the same low low incredibly low (act fast!) monthly fee of only >a mere pittance of $2.99 per month, which is about $36 for a year (which, >incidentally, is about how much any similar sized sd card would have cost). I pay Google 2 bucks/mo US for 1GB. Not a big $$$ deal for me. YMMV. I use it for off site backup (like if the house burns down) and it is also conveniently available to any of my devices pretty much anywhere if wanted or needed. A card just wouldn't provide the same service or use, although I do keep one locally in case Google burns down. >But then you need that storage for ten years (or whatever), so now that >one-time NRE of ~$36 would have saved you ~$360 dollars paying for storage. >Since both Apple & Google benefit to the tune of a few hundred dollars per >each person who owns their devices has to pay them, it makes sense why they >don't spend the couple of bucks it would cost for them to put an sdslot in. Most all the Google Android devices I've owned over the years were made by somebody else. And they made the SD slot decision, not Google. An example would be this Chrome OS tablet I'm posting with made by Lenovo. It has no SD slot and the culprit is...yup...Lenovo...
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 15:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsjmic$27cmc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147511 |
On 4/2/25 8:26 AM, AJL wrote: >On 4/2/25 1:28 AM, Peter wrote: >>Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote: >> >>> Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. >>> Can you guess why? >> >>ooooh ooooh oooh (raises hand and flags down the professor)... >>Let me guess. >> >>Apple gives you 5GB of "free" cloud storage for your 256GB device, which >>means you have to multiply that 5GB by about 50 times to store your stuff. > > >>If you want to expand your storage about 200GB, both Apple & Google will >>charge you the same low low incredibly low (act fast!) monthly fee of only >>a mere pittance of $2.99 per month, which is about $36 for a year (which, >>incidentally, is about how much any similar sized sd card would have cost). > >I pay Google 2 bucks/mo US for 1GB. Typo. Should be 100GB > Not a big $$$ deal for me. YMMV. I use > it for off site backup (like if the house burns down) and it is also > conveniently available to any of my devices pretty much anywhere if wanted > or needed. A card just wouldn't provide the same service or use, although I > do keep one locally in case Google burns down. > > >>But then you need that storage for ten years (or whatever), so now that >>one-time NRE of ~$36 would have saved you ~$360 dollars paying for storage. > > >>Since both Apple & Google benefit to the tune of a few hundred dollars per >>each person who owns their devices has to pay them, it makes sense why they >>don't spend the couple of bucks it would cost for them to put an sdslot in. > >Most all the Google Android devices I've owned over the years were made by > somebody else. And they made the SD slot decision, not Google. An example > would be this Chrome OS tablet I'm posting with made by Lenovo. It has no > SD slot and the culprit is...yup...Lenovo... > >
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vsjr1p$2bu7g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147512 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>I pay Google 2 bucks/mo US for 1GB. > > Typo. Should be 100GB > >> Not a big $$$ deal for me. YMMV. I use >> it for off site backup (like if the house burns down) and it is also >> conveniently available to any of my devices pretty much anywhere if wanted >> or needed. A card just wouldn't provide the same service or use, although I >> do keep one locally in case Google burns down. My only problem with that thought process is that it's a justification for NOT having something. It's like a guy with only one leg justifying why he's hopping all the time. Phones with the sdcard slot can hop just like you do. The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. They want to cut off your leg so that you buy their prosthetic device.
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 18:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsju47$2f0je$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147513 |
On 4/2/25 10:10 AM, Peter wrote: >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > >>>I pay Google 2 bucks/mo US for 1GB. >> >> Typo. Should be 100GB >> >>> Not a big $$$ deal for me. YMMV. I use >>> it for off site backup (like if the house burns down) and it is also >>> conveniently available to any of my devices pretty much anywhere if wanted >>> or needed. A card just wouldn't provide the same service or use, although I >>> do keep one locally in case Google burns down. > >My only problem with that thought process is that it's a justification for >NOT having something. It's like a guy with only one leg justifying why he's >hopping all the time. Phones with the sdcard slot can hop just like you do. > >The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for >a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. Guess you missed my point (and fact). Unlike Apple iOS devices the vast vast majority of Android phones (and tablets etc) that run Google accounts and apps are NOT made by Google and thus Google has no say over whether the device has a slot or not. That is the *individual manufacturers* choice... >They want to cut off your leg so that you buy their prosthetic device.
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vskhk2$334o6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147514 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for >>a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. > > Guess you missed my point (and fact). Unlike Apple iOS devices the vast vast > majority of Android phones (and tablets etc) that run Google accounts and > apps are NOT made by Google and thus Google has no say over whether the > device has a slot or not. That is the *individual manufacturers* choice... Thanks for the clarification which I agree with you I had missed the point. There are 1,936 Android models (2020 to present), with a standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idCardslot=1 There are 986 Android models (2020 to present), without a standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 Out of 2,922 recent Androids in use today, 1/3rd have a standard slot. The biggest Android seller is Samsung, which outsold the iPhone every quarter for the past few years (except for a single quarter last year). So let's look at Samsung phones for the percentage that have the sdslot. There are 134 Samsung models with that industry standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 Compared to 44 Samsung models without the industry standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=3 Out of 178 recent Samsung models still in use today, 75% have the sd slot. We know Apple's strategy is to fleece the customer so it's zero percent. But what about Google whose strategy is also to fleece the customer? Just as with Apple, there are 0 Google phones with the standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=107&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back?
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 00:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vskl40$36nl8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147522 |
On 4/2/25 4:35 PM, Peter wrote: >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > >>>The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for >>>a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. >> >> Guess you missed my point (and fact). Unlike Apple iOS devices the vast vast >> majority of Android phones (and tablets etc) that run Google accounts and >> apps are NOT made by Google and thus Google has no say over whether the >> device has a slot or not. That is the *individual manufacturers* choice... > >Thanks for the clarification which I agree with you I had missed the point. > >There are 1,936 Android models (2020 to present), with a standard sd slot. >https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idCardslot=1 > >There are 986 Android models (2020 to present), without a standard sd slot. >https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 > >Out of 2,922 recent Androids in use today, 1/3rd have a standard slot. > >The biggest Android seller is Samsung, which outsold the iPhone every >quarter for the past few years (except for a single quarter last year). > >So let's look at Samsung phones for the percentage that have the sdslot. > >There are 134 Samsung models with that industry standard sd slot. >https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 > >Compared to 44 Samsung models without the industry standard sd slot. >https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=3 > >Out of 178 recent Samsung models still in use today, 75% have the sd slot. > >We know Apple's strategy is to fleece the customer so it's zero percent. >But what about Google whose strategy is also to fleece the customer? > >Just as with Apple, there are 0 Google phones with the standard sd slot. >https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=107&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 >So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what >over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the >best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). I guess it's how one reads your original statement. When one compares Apple and Google phones I think most folks think Android phones with Google installed. But you are correct if you mean only Google Pixel phones. I guess what threw me off is that would leave out the majority of the non-Apple market, many with no slots. Shouldn't they have required some of your wrath too? >I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of >fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back? I bought my Samsung phone over 5 years ago and I can't remember what my reasons were for buying it over other brands. But I can tell you it is still a virgin. I've never had any need to stick anything in it's slot...
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vsl7ve$3u4ki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147525 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what >>over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the >>best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). > > I guess it's how one reads your original statement. When one compares Apple > and Google phones I think most folks think Android phones with Google > installed. But you are correct if you mean only Google Pixel phones. I > guess what threw me off is that would leave out the majority of the > non-Apple market, many with no slots. Shouldn't they have required some of > your wrath too? I'm glad you clarified and I apologize for not fully understanding you. I think we're both communicating well now, given how conversations go. When you said 'Google', I didn't realize you had maybe meant 'Android'. When I think of a "Google phone", I think of the Pixel model only. But you were apparently thinking of Google's Android OS - which is fine. The beauty of Android is if you *want* the sdcard slot, you can get it. Most Android's sold are Samsung & 75% of the Samsung models have the slot. Maybe that's why most Android's sold are Samsungs in the first place. :) >>I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of >>fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back? > > I bought my Samsung phone over 5 years ago and I can't remember what my > reasons were for buying it over other brands. But I can tell you it is > still a virgin. I've never had any need to stick anything in it's slot... If you don't need the memory, the slot doesn't help or hurt you. But if you need the memory, NOT having the slot hurts you a lot. Fundamentally, everything else being equal, a phone without the slot is clearly a substandard phone to one that has the slot. That's pure logic. I'm use to people making the argument that a worse phone is better. But they don't know anything about basic logic since that makes no sense. A phone with the slot, everything else being equal, can not only do EVERYTHING that the phone without the slot can do, but it can do more. And what it can do no phone on the planet without a slot can hope to do. That's worth a lot when you need it; and it's worth nothing if you don't.
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 07:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vslc7c$28n3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147528 |
On 4/2/25 10:57 PM, Peter wrote: >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > >>>So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what >>>over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the >>>best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). >> >> I guess it's how one reads your original statement. When one compares Apple >> and Google phones I think most folks think Android phones with Google >> installed. But you are correct if you mean only Google Pixel phones. I >> guess what threw me off is that would leave out the majority of the >> non-Apple market, many with no slots. Shouldn't they have required some of >> your wrath too? > >I'm glad you clarified and I apologize for not fully understanding you. >I think we're both communicating well now, given how conversations go. >When you said 'Google', I didn't realize you had maybe meant 'Android'. I'm reading you and posting back in an Android group... >When I think of a "Google phone", I think of the Pixel model only. >But you were apparently thinking of Google's Android OS - which is fine. When an Android phone won't operate unless it's signed into Google it's not hard to think of it as a Google phone. I think many folks think that way and perhaps that's why I've never heard a Pixel owner refer to his phone a Google phone. Have you? >The beauty of Android is if you *want* the sdcard slot, you can get it. >Most Android's sold are Samsung & 75% of the Samsung models have the slot. > >Maybe that's why most Android's sold are Samsungs in the first place. :) > >>>I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of >>>fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back? >> >> I bought my Samsung phone over 5 years ago and I can't remember what my >> reasons were for buying it over other brands. But I can tell you it is >> still a virgin. I've never had any need to stick anything in it's slot... >If you don't need the memory, the slot doesn't help or hurt you. >But if you need the memory, NOT having the slot hurts you a lot. Yup. And the market has lots of phone choices for you slot needing folks. >Fundamentally, everything else being equal, a phone without the slot is >clearly a substandard phone to one that has the slot. That's pure logic. Not so much. It depends on the need of the customer. I have an iPhone user in my house that's been using for decades and no slot complaints. Fact is I'm not sure she would even know what we're talking about. >I'm use to people making the argument that a worse phone is better. >But they don't know anything about basic logic since that makes no sense. >A phone with the slot, everything else being equal, can not only do >EVERYTHING that the phone without the slot can do, but it can do more. Yup. It can also collect dust and crud. Same with the USB port I never use (wireless charging). Hopefully my next phone will be hole free. >And what it can do no phone on the planet without a slot can hope to do. >That's worth a lot when you need it; and it's worth nothing if you don't. As I said, 5+ years with no need of the holes on my phone. I suppose some will bitch when the power plug leaves too. Being modern I use my phone wirelessly, both charging and data. But as always the market will decide...
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