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  EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 03:32 +0000
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:43 -0800
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 10:05 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-29 11:32 +0100
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-12-29 09:24 -0600
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2024-12-29 09:40 +0000
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2024-12-29 11:24 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-29 12:24 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:31 -0700
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:50 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:46 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:04 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:27 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:38 -0800
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:42 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:45 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 -0500
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:40 -0800
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:44 +0100
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-30 15:56 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:11 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:17 +0100
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 00:58 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:42 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0100
                                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:36 +0000
                                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:18 +0100
                                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:15 +0000
                                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
                                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-31 22:25 +0000
                                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:16 +0100
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 08:47 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:25 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:49 -0800
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:05 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 22:34 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-12-31 07:04 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 23:05 -0800
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:22 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 04:50 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 20:58 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-12-30 18:03 +1300
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 05:06 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 22:36 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:26 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Charles - 2024-12-30 17:41 -0500
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:11 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:20 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:33 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:51 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:24 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:19 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:14 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:13 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:46 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:25 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:07 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:32 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:24 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:39 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:48 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-31 16:03 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:20 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-30 06:21 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 09:00 -0500
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-12-29 16:18 +0100
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 12:25 -0500
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:03 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:02 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-31 08:39 -0500
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:58 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 10:01 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:41 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:20 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:50 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:53 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:36 +0100
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:10 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:26 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:42 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:28 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:00 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:15 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:19 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:47 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 22:22 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:36 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:41 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:32 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:18 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-02 09:53 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 10:34 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-04 11:18 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 21:43 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 14:45 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:37 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:47 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 22:55 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 12:56 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:48 -0800

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#145757 — EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force

Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.

 *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
 <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>

This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.

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#145759

On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
> 
> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- 
> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
> 
> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.

How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?

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#145770

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:43:27 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>> 
>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- 
>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>> 
>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>
>How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?

I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
software etc have to be compatible. 

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#145772

On 29/12/2024 11:05, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:43:27 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>>
>> How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
> 
> I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
> suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
> software etc have to be compatible.

For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but my 
wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.

On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port 
allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....

Dave

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#145777

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:32:14 +0100, David Wade wrote:

>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>
>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>>>
>>> How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
>> 
>> I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
>> suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
>> software etc have to be compatible.
> 
> For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but my 
> wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
> 
> On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port 
> allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....

The connector matters not only for the compatibility of the cabling, but
also the protocols (currently most often PD and QC), and even more so, for
inter operability with accessories such as with universal wired headphones.

Apple purposefully destroys inter operability (for their profit & avarice).

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#145787

On 2024-12-29 07:24, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:32:14 +0100, David Wade wrote:
> 
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>>>> universal-
>>>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>>>> force.
>>>>
>>>> How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
>>>
>>> I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
>>> suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
>>> software etc have to be compatible.
>>
>> For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but 
>> my wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
>>
>> On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port 
>> allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....
> 
> The connector matters not only for the compatibility of the cabling, but
> also the protocols (currently most often PD and QC), and even more so, for
> inter operability with accessories such as with universal wired headphones.
> 
> Apple purposefully destroys inter operability (for their profit & avarice).

LOL!

Another Arlen sock puppet!

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#145786

On 2024-12-29 02:32, David Wade wrote:
> On 29/12/2024 11:05, Scott wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:43:27 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for 
>>>> too long.
>>>>
>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>>> universal-
>>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>
>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>>> "terrified" of
>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>>> force.
>>>
>>> How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
>>
>> I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
>> suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
>> software etc have to be compatible.
> 
> For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but my 
> wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
> 
> On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port 
> allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....

When Apple introduced the Lightning (not "LightEning") port in 2012, 
they did so because it was a better option than the USB connectors 
available at the time; both reversible for ease of use and stronger than 
the available mini/micro USB connectors available (and also design so 
that if too much force was put on it, the plug would break and not the 
port in the device).

This means that for more than a decade people have been purchasing 
Lightning accessories to use with their phones. For Apple to have too 
quickly changed from Lightning to USB would have been a huge disservice 
to its customers.

And "interaction" is not the same thing as "interoperation".

Changing the charging port doesn't make a device running iOS any more 
"interOPERABLE" with an Android device (or any other non-iOS device).

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#145769

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:

> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.

> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>

> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.

“By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”

The EU is terrified of mountains. It still remembers the billions thrown at
inefficient French farmers, who among others produced a butter mountain
(and its liquid equivalent, the wine lake), all sold off cheaply to
third-world countries. Except the wine lake, which was turned into
industrial alcohol.


-- 
Spike

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#145773

> 
> “By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
> 

I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
no charger was included

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#145774

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:24:25 +0000, Abandoned Trolley
<that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>> 
>> “By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
>> 
>
>I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
>no charger was included

I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
sockets.

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#145778

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:

>>> 
>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>> 
>>
>>I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
>>no charger was included
> 
> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
> sockets.

After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

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#145779

On 2024-12-29 16:31, Nick Cine wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>> no charger was included
>>
>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>> sockets.
> 
> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

«Apple has gradually added USB-C ports to its other hardware over the 
past few years. It was the first to put USB-C on a laptop in 2015. Then 
iPads started the transition from Lightning to USB-C. You can say the 
iPhone was inevitably going to be next in line, but Apple has been 
collecting licensing fees from third parties that make accessories 
utilizing the Lightning port through the company's Made for iPhone (MFi) 
program. Why lose out on all that cash? Apple's hand was forced by the 
European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets, 
and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the 
end of 2024.»

Interoperability :-)


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145782

Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :

> Apple's hand was forced by the 
> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets, 
> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the 
> end of 2024.

Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

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#145785

On 2024-12-29 09:46, Andrew wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
> 
>> Apple's hand was forced by the European Union, which passed a law in 
>> 2022 requiring phones, tablets, and cameras sold in the region to come 
>> equipped with a USB-C port by the end of 2024.
> 
> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

Cite, please!

And Apple was the first to add USB-C to its laptops and started using it 
on iPads in 2018. (And yes, if anyone thinks I'm making that up, I will 
provide the citations).

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#145794

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
> 
>> Apple's hand was forced by the 
>> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets, 
>> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the 
>> end of 2024.
> 
> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
pretty useless if they didn't. 

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#145797

On 2024-12-29 10:27, Chris wrote:
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
>>
>>> Apple's hand was forced by the
>>> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
>>> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
>>> end of 2024.
>>
>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
> 
> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
> pretty useless if they didn't.

When has Arlen ever been honest about this fact?

:-)

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#145820

Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
> 
> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
> pretty useless if they didn't.

Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.

1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
   (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.

Apple murdered interoperability.


FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.

Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)... 

But... 

You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to do it
(even with the iTunes bloatware abomination). 

But wait... there's more... 

That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.

Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE IDs!

The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.

FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
   (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)

Apple murdered interoperability.

Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.

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#145822

On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>> intention
>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>
>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>> pretty useless if they didn't.
> 
> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
> 
> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.

False.

> 
> Apple murdered interoperability.
> 
> 
> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.

False.

Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.

> 
> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...

False.

> But...
> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to do it
> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
> But wait... there's more...
> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.

Nope. False.

> 
> Fancy that.
> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE IDs!

Completely false.

> 
> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
> 
> FACT:
> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
> 
> Apple murdered interoperability.
> 
> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.

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#145829

On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>>> intention
>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>
>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>
>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>
>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
> 
> False.
> 
>>
>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>
>>
>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
> 
> False.
> 
> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
> 
>>
>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>> additional
>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>> holes!)...
> 
> False.
> 
>> But...
>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to 
>> do it
>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>> But wait... there's more...
>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
> 
> Nope. False.
> 
>>
>> Fancy that.
>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE 
>> IDs!
> 
> Completely false.
> 
>>
>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> FACT:
>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>
>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>
>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
> 
> 
> 
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

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#145831

On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>>>> intention
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about 
>>> iOS.
>>>
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>
>> False.
>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> False.
>>
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>>
>>>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>>> holes!)...
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> But...
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to 
>>> do it
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>
>> Nope. False.
>>
>>>
>>> Fancy that.
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT 
>>> APPLE IDs!
>>
>> Completely false.
>>
>>>
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>
>>
>>
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

'Import to your Windows PC

You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your 
computer and using the Apple Devices app:

Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust 
This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>

Done!

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