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| Started by | Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> |
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| First post | 2024-12-05 14:15 -0800 |
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"Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-05 14:15 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-05 22:22 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-05 16:56 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-06 13:50 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-06 18:34 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-06 18:51 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-06 18:21 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-07 08:53 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-07 10:00 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-07 18:11 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-07 21:30 -0500
Re: "Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-08 06:59 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-08 07:41 -0800
Re: "Downloading en-US" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-06 19:00 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-06 19:09 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-06 19:47 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-07 09:46 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-07 12:23 -0500
Re: "Downloading en-US" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-07 18:32 -0500
Re: "Downloading en-US" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-08 10:10 +0000
Re: "Downloading en-US" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-08 09:03 -0500
Re: "Downloading en-US" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-08 18:42 +0000
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 10:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj3urk.5oo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145047 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg > <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > >[...] > > > >> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the > >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't > >> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView, > >> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it > >> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery > >> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for > >> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at > >> 100% battery health of that 80%. > > > > Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like > >BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So > >always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop. > > Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it > wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from > last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if > I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one. > My old battery had gone from > Battery capacity history > PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY > 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh > to (with many readings in between) > 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg /batteryreport', then that's a general Windows utility, not an Acer-specific one. OTOH, it reports a nice round number for 'DESIGN CAPACITY', so I think that is indeed the documented design capacity, instead of a calculated/ 'fabricated' one. Can you give us the name of the utility which you used? > I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems > longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5 > years. It seems longer. [...]
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 09:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ho7bljth93f9c9tlds4giikkdql1jimu5a@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #145065 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 8 Dec 2024 10:10:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> >[...] >> > >> >> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the >> >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't >> >> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView, >> >> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it >> >> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery >> >> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for >> >> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at >> >> 100% battery health of that 80%. >> > >> > Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like >> >BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So >> >always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop. >> >> Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it >> wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from >> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if >> I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one. >> My old battery had gone from >> Battery capacity history >> PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY >> 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh >> to (with many readings in between) >> 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh > > If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg >/batteryreport', Yes, > then that's a general Windows utility, not an >Acer-specific one. Ah, > OTOH, it reports a nice round number for 'DESIGN CAPACITY', so I think >that is indeed the documented design capacity, instead of a calculated/ >'fabricated' one. > > Can you give us the name of the utility which you used? What you said above. That's what google suggested, pointing to community.acer.com. I went back and looked some more, but there seems to be nothing especially for Acer. That's okay since this Acer laptop is being demoted to backup when the new one comes, and it's a Dell. (I still like Acer, no complaints about the two I've had.) One answer on community.acer.com suggested HWinfo64, and I got that and I've run it and it has a lot of info, most of it I suspect is copied from msinfo32, right. On the battery it says the wear level for this batter replaced a few months ago is 0%, the designed capacity is 26640mWh, and the fully charged capacity is the same. This reminds me of another question. When I got the new battery for the Acer, there were instructions on discharging it a long way and recharging, a couple times, to calibrate how much was in it. I couldn't bear to do that because I think it harms the battery, but more important, it seemed like there was no point silnce I leave it plugged in 95% of the time. So there is no point to my calibrating it, right? I do use the battery when maybe I take it to the other room (where I immediately plug it in), or when there's a power failure, for the whole neihborhood or because I kick the plug for the charger, to shut down without losing data. And I have software for an earlier XP laptop to adjust settings in the car, but it turned out for my car, a 2005 toyota, there were no settings of interest to me. I wanted the remote to unlock both doors without have to push it twice and one other thing I don't even remember. Those options are available on newer cars but not mine. I used the laptop battery for that, but it only took 15 minutes. (they sell cables to connect USB to the big connector under the dashboard, but the software wasn't easy to find. I think it's bootlegged, but the local Toyota dealer told me I needed a whole bunch of work I absolutely did not need, so I don't feel guilty. I had replaced some right front wheel parts and I took it in for a wheel alighment. They told me I needed a new boot about both left and right universal joints, even though I then checked the left one and it had no leaks and the right one only had 40 miles on it. Other things they lied about too.) >> I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems >> longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5 >> years. It seems longer. > >[...]
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 18:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj4sqa.95g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145067 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on 8 Dec 2024 10:10:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg > <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: [...] > >> Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it > >> wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from > >> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if > >> I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one. > >> My old battery had gone from > >> Battery capacity history > >> PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY > >> 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh > >> to (with many readings in between) > >> 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh > > > > If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg > >/batteryreport', > > Yes, That's good. For my (HP) laptop, 'powercfg /batteryreport' is 'lying' about the 'DESIGN CAPACITY', taking the 'FULL CHARGE CAPACITY' as the 'DESIGN CAPACITY'. So good that it's telling the truth for you. That only shows that not all laptops are made equal! :-) [...] > This reminds me of another question. When I got the new battery for the > Acer, there were instructions on discharging it a long way and > recharging, a couple times, to calibrate how much was in it. I couldn't > bear to do that because I think it harms the battery, but more > important, it seemed like there was no point silnce I leave it plugged > in 95% of the time. So there is no point to my calibrating it, right? No, calibrating the battery doesn't harm the battery. On the contrary, certain problems - like unexpectedly low capacity, charged percentage not matching reality (I had that this summer), etc. - can sometimes be fixed by calibrating. So if the information source is/sounds credible, you can follow that advice. > I do use the battery when maybe I take it to the other room (where I > immediately plug it in), or when there's a power failure, for the whole > neihborhood or because I kick the plug for the charger, to shut down > without losing data. And I have software for an earlier XP laptop to > adjust settings in the car, but it turned out for my car, a 2005 toyota, > there were no settings of interest to me. I wanted the remote to unlock > both doors without have to push it twice and one other thing I don't > even remember. Those options are available on newer cars but not mine. > I used the laptop battery for that, but it only took 15 minutes. As for there being any point recalibrating the battery, considering your usage: Probably not, but it can't hurt and it's not that much effort. But *if* you do it, do it right, i.e. follow the procedure fully and a few times, don't cut corners, because that won't help. [...]
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