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  Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-02 11:24 -0700
    Re: Two Questions Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-02 18:53 +0000
    Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-02 22:03 +0100
      Re: Two Questions Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-03 01:15 +0000
        Re: Two Questions micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-02 23:04 -0500
      Re: Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-03 08:30 -0700
    Re: Two Questions micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-02 22:57 -0500
      Re: Two Questions Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 14:15 +0000
        Re: Two Questions Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 14:25 +0000
          Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 15:46 +0100
          Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-03 16:01 +0100
            Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:21 +0000
        Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:28 +0000
          Re: Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-03 11:58 -0700
            Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:14 +0100
          Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:11 +0100
            Re: Two Questions Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-03 19:25 +0000
              Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:38 +0100
            Re: Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-04 08:21 -0700
              Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 16:36 +0000
                Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 19:46 +0100
                  Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:54 +0000
                    Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 20:10 +0100
                      Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 19:22 +0000
                        Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 20:57 +0100
                        Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 23:26 +0000
                          Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 00:53 +0100
                            Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 08:10 +0000
                              Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:45 +0100
                                Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 11:10 +0000
                                Re: Two Questions Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-05 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 15:22 +0100
                                Re: Two Questions micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-06 00:13 -0500
                                  Re: Two Questions sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-06 00:53 -0600
                                  Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:18 +0100
                          Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:13 +0000
                  Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 19:08 +0000
                    Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 21:00 +0100
                Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:52 +0000
                Re: Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-05 08:42 -0700
                  Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 18:32 +0000
      Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 15:50 +0100
      Re: Two Questions Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-03 08:36 -0700
    Re: Two Questions Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 07:54 +0000
      Re: Two Questions micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-03 13:16 -0500
        Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:19 +0100
          Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-03 22:24 +0100
            Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 22:54 +0100
              Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 02:07 +0100
                Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 03:10 +0100
                  Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:26 +0100
                    Re: Two Questions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:08 +0000
                    Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:58 +0100
                      Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 15:46 +0100
                      Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 15:53 +0100
                        Re: Two Questions sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-04 09:57 -0600
                          Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-07 08:57 +0100
                            Re: Two Questions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:38 +0100
                              Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-07 14:54 +0100
                              Re: Two Questions micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-09 09:20 -0500
                                Re: Two Questions Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-09 18:41 +0100
                            Re: Two Questions sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-07 08:13 -0600
    Re: Two Questions "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-12-04 22:38 +0100

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#144894

On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


>>> Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently.
>>> Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>>
>> Thanks, but much more than I'm  willing to spend. I hope to never need
>> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.
> 
>    You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
> 
>    My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).

For that price, it may not include much data.



https://www.movistar.es/tarifas-moviles/prepago/

- Prepaid plus tariff. Now with 40 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited 
national calls and 200 minutes of international calls.

- Premium prepaid tariff. Now with 80 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited 
national calls and 400 minutes of international calls.

- Total prepaid tariff. Now with 140 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited 
national calls and also in the EU.

- Habla 6 prepaid tariff. This is the simplest voice-only tariff and the 
default tariff in general in the prepaid mode.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

They don't say prices. I found them at a newspaper, for the past summer.


<https://www.lavanguardia.com/andro4all/operadoras/movistar-multiplica-por-cuatro-los-gb-de-sus-tarifas-prepago-este-verano>

     Plus (10 euros): from 10 GB to 40 GB. Also includes unlimited 
national calls and 200 minutes for international calls.
     Premium (15 euros): from 20 GB to 80 GB. Also includes unlimited 
national calls and 400 minutes of international calls.
     Total (20 euros): from 35 GB to 140 GB. In addition, there are 
unlimited national calls and unlimited calls within the European Union.



Another provider.

<https://www.vodafone.es/c/particulares/es/productos-y-servicios/movil/prepago-y-recargas/tarjetas-prepago/>

Prepago S
50G
unlimited national calls
400 minutes international

10€ 28 days.


Prepago M
100G
unlimited national calls
800 minutes international

15€ 28 days.



Prepago L
150G
unlimited national calls
1200 minutes international

20€ 28 days.


Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is 
an international call.

They mail you the SIM free or charge, but I don't know if to the USA.


Prepago XL
170G
unlimited national calls
1600 minutes international

30€ 28 days.


Prepago XXL
200G
unlimited national calls
2000 minutes international

40€ 28 days.



Then there are the small providers. Here there is a comparison:
<https://selectra.es/internet-telefono/movil/prepago>


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144898

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is 
> an international call.

Really? Is that typical?

My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts. 

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#144905

On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>> an international call.
> 
> Really? Is that typical?
> 
> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
> 

I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144907

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
> >> an international call.
> > 
> > Really? Is that typical?
> > 
> > My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
> > and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
> 
> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.

  Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
cost.)

  But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
do for an in-country call.

  So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
not more expensive than an in-country call.

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#144911

On 2024-12-04 20:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>>>> an international call.
>>>
>>> Really? Is that typical?
>>>
>>> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
>>> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>>
>> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.
> 
>    Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
> in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
> when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
> NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
> cost.)
> 
>    But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> do for an in-country call.
> 
>    So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> not more expensive than an in-country call.

That's good to know. I heard grumbling from companies starting to or 
wanting to charge more and limit the amount of roaming.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144914

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>>>> an international call.
>>> 
>>> Really? Is that typical?
>>> 
>>> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
>>> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>> 
>> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.
> 
>   Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
> in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
> when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
> NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
> cost.)
> 
>   But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> do for an in-country call.
> 
>   So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> not more expensive than an in-country call.

Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home. 

All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
abroad. 

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#144916

On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

...

> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
> 
> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
> abroad.

Absolutely.

But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants 
to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the 
prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.

And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them. 
Hopefully they don't geofence.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144930

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>> 
>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>> abroad.
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants 
> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the 
> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.

True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
is +33. What's Spain?

> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them. 
> Hopefully they don't geofence.

I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
especially in touristy areas. 

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#144934

On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>>
>>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>>> abroad.
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
>> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
>> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.
> 
> True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
> is +33. What's Spain?

+34

Italy I don't know. Ah, +39

https://countrycode.org/italy

>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
> 
> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
> especially in touristy areas.

That's true.

But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that 
would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do 
from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to 
fool the system.

gps would match, phone number not.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144936

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>>>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>>>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>>> 
>>>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>>>> abroad.
>>> 
>>> Absolutely.
>>> 
>>> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
>>> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
>>> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.
>> 
>> True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
>> is +33. What's Spain?
> 
> +34
> 
> Italy I don't know. Ah, +39
> 
> https://countrycode.org/italy
> 
>>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>> 
>> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
>> especially in touristy areas.
> 
> That's true.
> 
> But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that 
> would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do 
> from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to 
> fool the system.
> 
> gps would match, phone number not.

That was for one restaurant in California iirc. I doubt other places would
restrict their custom like that. 

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#144939

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:

> On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>>>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>>>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>>>
>>>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>>>> abroad.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>>
>>> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
>>> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
>>> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.
>> 
>> True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
>> is +33. What's Spain?
> 
> +34
> 
> Italy I don't know. Ah, +39
> 
> https://countrycode.org/italy
> 
>>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>> 
>> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
>> especially in touristy areas.
> 
> That's true.
> 
> But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that 
> would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do 
> from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to 
> fool the system.
> 
> gps would match, phone number not.


I found restaurants in Greece somtimes wouldn't answer foreign
 numbers so I always made reservations with a local SIM. Mainly
 because the older staff (the owner's mother, or grandmother even)
 were not confident in English.  A few words of greek were
 required. Taxis, no such problem IME - so long as you can
 describe where you are. 
-- 
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#144941

On 2024-12-05 13:48, Dave Royal wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
>> On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:

...

> I found restaurants in Greece somtimes wouldn't answer foreign
>   numbers so I always made reservations with a local SIM. Mainly
>   because the older staff (the owner's mother, or grandmother even)
>   were not confident in English.  A few words of greek were
>   required. Taxis, no such problem IME - so long as you can
>   describe where you are.

Taxis in Spain are using apps, so that solves the spoken language barrier.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144973

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:45:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>
>>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>> 
>> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
>> especially in touristy areas.
>
>That's true.
>
>But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that 
>would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do 
>from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to 
>fool the system.
>
>gps would match, phone number not.
>
>
I thought my story was related when I clicked Reply, but maybe not. 

Anyhow, I wanted to buy dinner for my family when visiting them in
Florida, and my nephew or someone knew the name of the restaurant, and I
think my nephew found it on the web and we ordered a lot of Chinese
food.  For some reason I checked and the restaurant, with the same name,
same spelling, was in Milwaukee.   I called before they could cook it
and they refunded he money.  They said it had happened before. 
 


>Cheers, Carlos.

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#144976

On 12/5/2024 11:13 PM, micky wrote:
> 
> Anyhow, I wanted to buy dinner for my family when visiting them in
> Florida, and my nephew or someone knew the name of the restaurant, and I
> think my nephew found it on the web and we ordered a lot of Chinese
> food.  For some reason I checked and the restaurant, with the same name,
> same spelling, was in Milwaukee.   I called before they could cook it
> and they refunded he money.  They said it had happened before.

Come to bed, micky.......


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#144983

On 2024-12-06 06:13, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:45:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>
>>>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>>>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>>>
>>> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
>>> especially in touristy areas.
>>
>> That's true.
>>
>> But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that
>> would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do
>>from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to 
>> fool the system.
>>
>> gps would match, phone number not.
>>
>>
> I thought my story was related when I clicked Reply, but maybe not.
> 
> Anyhow, I wanted to buy dinner for my family when visiting them in
> Florida, and my nephew or someone knew the name of the restaurant, and I
> think my nephew found it on the web and we ordered a lot of Chinese
> food.  For some reason I checked and the restaurant, with the same name,
> same spelling, was in Milwaukee.   I called before they could cook it
> and they refunded he money.  They said it had happened before.

Ow!



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144937

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> >   But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> > to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> > do for an in-country call.
> > 
> >   So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> > not more expensive than an in-country call.
> 
> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home. 

  Yes, I know and that's what I do as well. I just pointed out the
*need* to prepend the country code for "an international call", to
distinguish between "an international call" and an in-country call in
this context of in-EU roaming.

> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
> abroad. 

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#144904

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> >    You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> > If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> > little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
> > 
> >    My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> > you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> > i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> > swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> > use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).
> 
> For that price, it may not include much data.

  Huh? Later you give examples of 10-50GB for 10 Euro. That's quite a
bit of data and Ken said he mainly needs it to call a taxi (if needed)
and will use Wi-Fi in hotels.

[Examples deleted.]

> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is 
> an international call.

  Yes, but it is subject to free roaming and must be *charged* as an
in-country call. Or did Itlay (or Spain) leave the EU when I wasn't
paying attention!? :-)

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#144910

On 2024-12-04 20:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>>>     You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
>>> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
>>> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
>>>
>>>     My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
>>> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
>>> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
>>> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
>>> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).
>>
>> For that price, it may not include much data.
> 
>    Huh? Later you give examples of 10-50GB for 10 Euro. That's quite a
> bit of data and Ken said he mainly needs it to call a taxi (if needed)
> and will use Wi-Fi in hotels.

I found that out later.

Two years ago our card was 60 euros. I think it was unlimited, not sure. 
It was cheaper for them calling the USA or Canada than for me.


> 
> [Examples deleted.]
> 
>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>> an international call.
> 
>    Yes, but it is subject to free roaming and must be *charged* as an
> in-country call. Or did Itlay (or Spain) leave the EU when I wasn't
> paying attention!? :-)

:-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144897

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-12-03 17:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> rent a sim in the country I'm going to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A SIM for any EU country ought to allow free roaming to any other EU
>>>>> country, so the O/P won't need three SIMs.
>>>> 
>>>> And for the EU you probably don't need to rent a SIM, but just buy
>>>> one, probably with a pre-paid plan.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken said "I'll be in Europe (Spain, France, Italy)...". If he visits
>>>> them in that order, Carlos may be able to give some suggestions/pointers
>>>> for Spain. If Ken could indicate how much minutes/'texts'/GB he would
>>>> need per unit of time, that would help.
>>> 
>>> Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently. 
>>> Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>> 
>> Thanks, but much more than I'm  willing to spend. I hope to never need
>> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.
> 
>   You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
> 
>   My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).

An eSIM is much easier. That's what I used when I was in the US recently.
Cost $10 iirc. 

>   If you want more advice, *talk* to us. Sofar you have given very
> little information/feedback.

Ken actually needs to talk to his provider. They will be able to tell him
what is available on his current plan. 

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#144946

On 4 Dec 2024 16:36:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 2024-12-03 17:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >>> micky wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> rent a sim in the country I'm going to.
>> >>>
>> >>> A SIM for any EU country ought to allow free roaming to any other EU
>> >>> country, so the O/P won't need three SIMs.
>> >> 
>> >>    And for the EU you probably don't need to rent a SIM, but just buy
>> >> one, probably with a pre-paid plan.
>> >> 
>> >>    Ken said "I'll be in Europe (Spain, France, Italy)...". If he visits
>> >> them in that order, Carlos may be able to give some suggestions/pointers
>> >> for Spain. If Ken could indicate how much minutes/'texts'/GB he would
>> >> need per unit of time, that would help.
>> >
>> >Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently. 
>> >Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>> 
>> Thanks, but much more than I'm  willing to spend. I hope to never need
>> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.
>
>  You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
>If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
>little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
>
>  My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
>you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
>i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
>swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
>use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).


Thanks. It turns out that I had forgotten that I already have such a
SIM, one that I bought a year ago, for a trip I had to cancel.

>
>  If you want more advice, *talk* to us. Sofar you have given very
>little information/feedback.
>
>> >The best method is not asking the locals, but entering a shop that tends 
>> >to multiple brands in an immigrant district. My cousin did that in 
>> >Barcelona and surprised me by finding a very good deal I did not know about.
>> >
>> >Just a note: they will ask you to show an ID. This is counter-terrorism 
>> >measures since 9-11 and 11M

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