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Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo

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First post2024-05-05 14:47 -0400
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  Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-05-05 14:47 -0400
    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-05 21:23 +0200
      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> - 2024-05-05 13:42 -0600
      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-05 17:06 -0400
        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-05-05 19:04 -0500
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2024-05-05 21:49 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2024-05-05 22:30 -0400
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-06 02:56 +0000
    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-05 22:20 +0200
      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-05 17:04 -0400
        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 09:04 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-06 08:16 +0000
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-06 10:45 -0700
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 10:54 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 18:55 +0200
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 13:33 -0400
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:38 +0200
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 08:53 +0200
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 10:12 +0200
                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 17:28 +0200
                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 19:07 +0200
                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 11:49 +0200
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 12:31 +0200
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-08 12:09 -0400
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-08 16:22 +0000
                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-09 23:24 +0000
                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-09 17:28 -0700
                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-05-10 19:16 +0200
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-05-10 19:24 +0200
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-05-10 13:51 -0400
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-10 18:30 +0000
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Peter Piper <peterpiper@nospam.invalid> - 2024-05-10 19:01 +0000
                                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-10 20:54 +0000
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-10 22:40 +0200
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-10 11:34 -0700
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-10 13:47 -0700
      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 10:04 +0200
        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-06 10:23 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 11:41 +0100
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-08 12:36 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 10:59 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-06 18:24 +0000
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-06 13:49 -0700
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 17:04 -0400
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 09:05 +0200
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 17:33 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 16:28 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 17:02 -0400
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:44 -0400
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-10 01:39 +0000
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 09:08 +0200
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-07 08:27 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-08 12:43 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 08:53 +0200
        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:51 +0200
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 11:02 -0400
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-06 16:24 +0000
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 19:13 +0200
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 13:37 -0400
                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:08 +0200
                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 16:56 -0400
                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 09:17 +0200
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-07 08:29 -0400
                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-10 01:38 +0000
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-06 23:49 +0000
                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 09:40 +0200
                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-07 15:18 +0000
                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 18:42 +0200
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 18:35 +0000
                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-07 22:11 +0200
                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 13:53 +0000
                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 17:36 +0200
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-08 16:17 +0000
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 17:37 +0000
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:26 +0200
                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-08 09:05 -0700
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-08 09:39 -0700
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-08 20:16 +0100
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-08 15:31 -0400
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-08 12:57 -0400
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-08 17:23 +0000
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-08 12:10 -0700
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-05-08 16:38 -0500
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-08 16:21 -0700
                                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-09 14:01 +0200
                                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-09 08:57 -0700
                                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-09 09:13 -0700
                                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-09 16:27 +0000
                                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-09 09:32 -0700
                                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-09 11:07 -0700
                                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-09 11:24 -0700
                                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-09 17:31 -0700
                                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-09 17:43 -0700
                                                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-05-09 18:06 -0700
                                                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-10 09:58 -0700
                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-08 02:08 +0000
                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-10 21:34 +0000
                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-10 14:55 -0700
                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-10 22:21 +0000
                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-11 04:08 +0000
                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-11 04:38 +0000
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-11 13:58 +0000
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-11 15:51 +0000
                                      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-11 16:59 +0000
                                        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-11 19:39 +0000
                                          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-11 20:00 +0000
                                            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-11 21:21 +0000
                                              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-11 22:10 +0000
                                                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) - 2024-05-24 17:35 +0000
                                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-11 17:43 +0200
                                    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-05-11 15:53 +0000
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 19:03 +0200
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 13:35 -0400
                Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:10 +0200
                  Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-05-06 16:59 -0400
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 16:19 +0100
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-05-06 19:10 +0200
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-06 10:50 -0700
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-06 10:49 -0700
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 09:13 +0200
    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-05-06 02:09 -0400
      Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 12:10 +0100
        Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-05-06 07:56 -0400
          Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 15:06 +0100
            Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-05-06 14:56 -0400
              Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-07 07:02 +0000
    Re: Be careful - they can lift a fingerprint off a digital photo Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 11:34 +0100

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#140956

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-05-08 17:23 +0000
Message-ID<v1gjf1.77s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#140947
In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or just
> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
> 
> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth."  Carry on.

  I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)

  But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
'that':

[Edited by me:]

   Feel free to explain/substantiate why [that] that face-ID was secure
   then, and [then] how it's still secure now - even with technology
   going forward.

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#140959

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-05-08 12:10 -0700
Message-ID<v1gimn$4kqn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140956
On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> 
>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or just
>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>> 
>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth."  Carry on.
> 
>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)

All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!

>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
> 'that':

No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm sure 
he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it occasionally 
requires double thats, so be it.

I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had 
had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." though,

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "It is never fallacious to properly cite Donald Knuth in
    lieu of providing your own argument."         --Sun Tzu

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#140962

FromHank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Date2024-05-08 16:38 -0500
Message-ID<v1grcl$6ar4$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140959
The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or just
>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>
>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth."  Carry 
>>> on.
>>
>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
> 
> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
> 
>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
>> 'that':
> 
> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm sure he 
> did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it occasionally requires 
> double thats, so be it.
> 
> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had had 
> had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." though,
> 

Shouldn't we all be squabbling about apple minutia?

After all that's the purpose of this group.

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#140963

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-08 16:21 -0700
Message-ID<v1h1cv$7vt9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140959
On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or just
>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>
>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth."  
>>> Carry on.
>>
>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
> 
> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
> 
>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
>> 'that':
> 
> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm sure 
> he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it occasionally 
> requires double thats, so be it.
> 
> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had 
> had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." 
> though,
> 

I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...

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#140966

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-05-09 14:01 +0200
Message-ID<9hqugkxa1o.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#140963
On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or 
>>>> just
>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>
>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth." 
>>>> Carry on.
>>>
>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>
>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>
>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
>>> 'that':
>>
>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm 
>> sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>
>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had 
>> had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." 
>> though,
>>
> 
> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...

I gave up on it on first sight.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#140972

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-09 08:57 -0700
Message-ID<v1irpf$o5fi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140966
On 2024-05-09 05:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or 
>>>>> just
>>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth." 
>>>>> Carry on.
>>>>
>>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>>
>>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>>
>>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
>>>> 'that':
>>>
>>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm 
>>> sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>>
>>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had 
>>> had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." 
>>> though,
>>>
>>
>> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...
> 
> I gave up on it on first sight.
> 

Alright, alright.

Jim, where John had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a 
better effect on the teacher.

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#140974

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-05-09 09:13 -0700
Message-ID<v1isnd$oer0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140972
On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 05:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', or 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth." 
>>>>>> Carry on.
>>>>>
>>>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>>>
>>>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>>>
>>>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a single
>>>>> 'that':
>>>>
>>>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm 
>>>> sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>>>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had had 
>>>> had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher." 
>>>> though,
>>>
>>> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...
>> 
>> I gave up on it on first sight.
> 
> Alright, alright.

This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'.  Ignorant 
and sloppy.

> Jim, where John had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a
> better effect on the teacher.

OK.  Punctuation, at least periods, should have been included.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Truly, our society's bellyaching sissies are in an elite category.
    They are like the Navy SEALS of offendedness. They demonstrate
    unmatched skill, dedication, and dexterity in imagining new and
    exciting ways to be insulted."                       --Matt Walsh

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#140976

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2024-05-09 16:27 +0000
Message-ID<la4bs3FhpnkU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#140974
On 2024-05-09, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>> 
>> Alright, alright.
>
> This is not a word.

It's certainly an informal and nonstandard form of "all right", but it
is definitely a word.

Merriam-Webster says:
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alright>

---
alright - adverb or adjective
al·right (ˌ)ȯl-ˈrīt  ˈȯl-ˌrīt
Synonyms of alright
: ALL RIGHT
  If people stay strong and keep pushing we'll be alright.
  —Keith Ellison

  Alright, I give in.
  —Sallie Tisdale
  
  Alright already, get in the squad car and solve the darn crime.
  —Ken Tucker
  
  It's cheap, alright.
  —Chris Hodenfield
  
all right or alright?: Usage Guide

Although the spelling alright is more than a century and a half old,
some critics have insisted alright is all wrong. Nevertheless, it has
its defenders and its users, who perhaps have been influenced by analogy
with altogether and already. Alright is less common than all right but
is frequently found in informal writing and fictional dialogue.

  Starting at a slower pace is perfectly alright.
  —Alia Haley

  "Alright, it is a bargain. I will help you."
  —Harold Bell Wright

It is sometimes also used in more formal writing.

  The first two years of the medical school were alright.
  —Gertrude Stein
---

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#140977

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-09 09:32 -0700
Message-ID<v1itqk$oadp$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140974
On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-09 05:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', 
>>>>>>> or just
>>>>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth." 
>>>>>>> Carry on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>>>>
>>>>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a 
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> 'that':
>>>>>
>>>>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm 
>>>>> sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>>>>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had 
>>>>> had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the 
>>>>> teacher." though,
>>>>
>>>> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...
>>>
>>> I gave up on it on first sight.
>>
>> Alright, alright.
> 
> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'.  Ignorant 
> and sloppy.

Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?

Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?

:-)

> 
>> Jim, where John had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a
>> better effect on the teacher.
> 
> OK.  Punctuation, at least periods, should have been included.

No. That was the POINT: to find how to punctuate it.

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#140978

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-05-09 11:07 -0700
Message-ID<v1j3cm$q4j6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140977
On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-09 05:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat dat', 
>>>>>>>> or just
>>>>>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the truth." 
>>>>>>>> Carry on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a 
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> 'that':
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like "I'm 
>>>>>> sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>>>>>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had 
>>>>>> had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the 
>>>>>> teacher." though,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...
>>>>
>>>> I gave up on it on first sight.
>>>
>>> Alright, alright.
>> 
>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'.  Ignorant 
>> and sloppy.
> 
> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?

I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.

> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?

I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during my 
literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" appeared at 
about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating either laziness or 
ignorance.

Bite me.

> :-)
> 
>> 
>>> Jim, where John had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a
>>> better effect on the teacher.
>> 
>> OK.  Punctuation, at least periods, should have been included.
> 
> No. That was the POINT: to find how to punctuate it.

OK, I concede.  I failed miserably.  It happens now and again.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity
     is not thus handicapped."
                 -- Elbert Hubbard, American author

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#140979

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-09 11:24 -0700
Message-ID<v1j4dp$qbr8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140978
On 2024-05-09 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-09 05:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-09 01:21, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-08 12:10, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/8/24 10:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/24 6:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >    I deleted "that that", which we Dutch would say ('dat 
>>>>>>>>> dat', or just
>>>>>>>>> > 'dat'), but English speakers won't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes we do, or at least I do.  "I believe that that is the 
>>>>>>>>> truth." Carry on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I *said* "English speakers", didn't I!? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All my life, and certainly in the top 1% -- I've been tested!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    But seriously, in the relevant context, at most it would be a 
>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> 'that':
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.  People frequently leave out the 'that' in sentences like 
>>>>>>> "I'm sure he did it" but I regard that as sloppy at best.  If it 
>>>>>>> occasionally requires double thats, so be it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to read an explanation of Alan's "Jim where John had 
>>>>>>> had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the 
>>>>>>> teacher." though,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll give everyone a little longer to ruminate on it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave up on it on first sight.
>>>>
>>>> Alright, alright.
>>>
>>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'.  
>>> Ignorant and sloppy.
>>
>> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?
> 
> I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.
> 
>> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?
> 
> I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during my 
> literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" appeared at 
> about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating either laziness or 
> ignorance.
> 
> Bite me.

Language evolves. Learn to deal with it. "Already" came straight from 
"all ready", and the meaning is not subtly different.

Similarly "alright" doesn't mean precisely what "all right" means.

> 
>> :-)
>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, where John had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a
>>>> better effect on the teacher.
>>>
>>> OK.  Punctuation, at least periods, should have been included.
>>
>> No. That was the POINT: to find how to punctuate it.
> 
> OK, I concede.  I failed miserably.  It happens now and again.

I'm sure it does.

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#140983

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-05-09 17:31 -0700
Message-ID<v1jptu$v59n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140979
On 5/9/24 11:24 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alright, alright.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'.  
>>>> Ignorant and sloppy.
>>>
>>> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?
>> 
>> I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.
>> 
>>> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?
>> 
>> I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during my 
>> literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" appeared at 
>> about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating either laziness or 
>> ignorance.
>> 
>> Bite me.
> 
> Language evolves. Learn to deal with it. "Already" came straight from
> "all ready", and the meaning is not subtly different.
> 
> Similarly "alright" doesn't mean precisely what "all right" means.

No, it means EXACTLY the same.  There's a difference between evolution 
and sloppiness/ignorance.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping.

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#140984

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-09 17:43 -0700
Message-ID<v1jqik$v70f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140983
On 2024-05-09 17:31, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/9/24 11:24 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-09 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alright, alright.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'. 
>>>>> Ignorant and sloppy.
>>>>
>>>> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?
>>>
>>> I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.
>>>
>>>> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?
>>>
>>> I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during my 
>>> literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" appeared 
>>> at about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating either laziness 
>>> or ignorance.
>>>
>>> Bite me.
>>
>> Language evolves. Learn to deal with it. "Already" came straight from
>> "all ready", and the meaning is not subtly different.
>>
>> Similarly "alright" doesn't mean precisely what "all right" means.
> 
> No, it means EXACTLY the same.  There's a difference between evolution 
> and sloppiness/ignorance.
> 

No. It doesn't.

I say that something is "all ready", it means that it is "ready in every 
respect".

"Already" clearly means:

'before or by now or the time in question'

Similarly, "all right" means "correct in ever respect", and while 
"alright" is closer in meaning, it is clearly used to ask whether 
something is just ACCEPTABLE as opposed to the former.

Furthermore:

'The merging of all and right to form the one-word spelling alright is 
first recorded toward the end of the 19th century'

So you're a little behind the times, my love.

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#140986

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-05-09 18:06 -0700
Message-ID<v1jru4$vhc9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140984
On 5/9/24 5:43 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 17:31, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 5/9/24 11:24 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-09 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright, alright.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'. 
>>>>>> Ignorant and sloppy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?
>>>>
>>>> I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.
>>>>
>>>>> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?
>>>>
>>>> I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during my 
>>>> literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" appeared 
>>>> at about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating either laziness 
>>>> or ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> Bite me.
>>>
>>> Language evolves. Learn to deal with it. "Already" came straight from
>>> "all ready", and the meaning is not subtly different.
>>>
>>> Similarly "alright" doesn't mean precisely what "all right" means.
>> 
>> No, it means EXACTLY the same.  There's a difference between evolution 
>> and sloppiness/ignorance.
>> 
> 
> No. It doesn't.
> 
> I say that something is "all ready", it means that it is "ready in every
> respect".
> 
> "Already" clearly means:
> 
> 'before or by now or the time in question'
> 
> Similarly, "all right" means "correct in ever respect", and while
> "alright" is closer in meaning, it is clearly used to ask whether
> something is just ACCEPTABLE as opposed to the former.

"All right" SHOULD mean everything ship-shape and Bristol fashion, but 
it doesn't.  It's just assent.  Similar to okay (OK), but different.

> Furthermore:
> 
> 'The merging of all and right to form the one-word spelling alright is
> first recorded toward the end of the 19th century'
> 
> So you're a little behind the times, my love.

But it fell out of use until the ignorant and slovenly picked it up 
again.  Remember The Wire?  The Baltimore thugs slopped it up even more 
by dropping all the consonants. Even Idris Elba, "Stringer" Bell. I am 
unable to spell the result, but since everybody watched The Wire there's 
no need.


-- 
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    Rule 18:  Always tip your hat before striking a lady.

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#141004

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-10 09:58 -0700
Message-ID<v1ljn5$1f6rm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#140986
On 2024-05-09 18:06, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/9/24 5:43 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-09 17:31, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 5/9/24 11:24 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-09 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 5/9/24 9:32 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-09 09:13, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/9/24 8:57 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright, alright.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not a word.  In the same category as 'irregardless'. 
>>>>>>> Ignorant and sloppy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who appointed you grammarian to the internet?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did.  Weren't you paying attention?  Please try to keep up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is "already" a word? "Always"? Maybe "already" is almost a word?
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, there are a lot of proper al- words.  Nonetheless, during 
>>>>> my literacy the expression has been "all right" and "alright" 
>>>>> appeared at about the same time as thumb-spelling, indicating 
>>>>> either laziness or ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bite me.
>>>>
>>>> Language evolves. Learn to deal with it. "Already" came straight from
>>>> "all ready", and the meaning is not subtly different.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly "alright" doesn't mean precisely what "all right" means.
>>>
>>> No, it means EXACTLY the same.  There's a difference between 
>>> evolution and sloppiness/ignorance.
>>>
>>
>> No. It doesn't.
>>
>> I say that something is "all ready", it means that it is "ready in every
>> respect".
>>
>> "Already" clearly means:
>>
>> 'before or by now or the time in question'
>>
>> Similarly, "all right" means "correct in ever respect", and while
>> "alright" is closer in meaning, it is clearly used to ask whether
>> something is just ACCEPTABLE as opposed to the former.
> 
> "All right" SHOULD mean everything ship-shape and Bristol fashion, but 
> it doesn't.  It's just assent.  Similar to okay (OK), but different.

Language evolves. Deal with it.

"All right" and "alright" have different meanings.

Deal with that too.

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#140936

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2024-05-08 02:08 +0000
Message-ID<la055dFsue1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#140928
On 2024-05-07, R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly,
>
>>> Feel free to explain/underbuild why that that face-ID was secure
>>> than, and than how its still secure now - even with technology going
>>> forward.
>>
>> Is that supposed to be English?
>
> What ?  Thats too hard for you to understand ?  Not "English" enough
> for your taste ?

You also don't put a space between the end of a sentence and the last
punctuation mark. So it seems you don't have a very good grasp of
English overall. Whoever taught you English really did you dirty.

>> "SSL can be cracked, therefore Face ID is insecure" is a new sentence
>> I hadn't anticipated reading this morning. Thanks for the giggle.
>
> Oh well, someone "doesn't understand" a simple example.  How
> delightfully new.

More like a bad allegory. Nobody here has claimed Face ID is the most
secure thing on the planet. What people are objecting to is the tired,
old, crusty trolls trying to claim its supposedly "insecure" just
because someone with tons of time, money, and will power might be able
to crack it. These trolls are weak and boring to anyone who has seen
them before.

>> You're clearly not a sincere person.
>
> Goodness!  After having read that "I can't understand a word of what
> you're saying" drivel that was exactly what I was thinking about you.

"No, you"? Is that the best response you have, really?

> Regards, 
> Rudy Wieser

Bye now.

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#141018

FromAndrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date2024-05-10 21:34 +0000
Message-ID<v1m3tv$i6f$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#140936
Jolly Roger wrote on 8 May 2024 02:08:45 GMT :

> More like a bad allegory. Nobody here has claimed Face ID is the most
> secure thing on the planet.

It's even worse when you learn iOS is the most exploited phone OS in
history. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    *No phone has ever had more zero-day holes than the iPhone.* 

Which is why the phrase "To own an iPhone is to already be hacked" is true.

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#141019

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-05-10 14:55 -0700
Message-ID<v1m544$1j4ie$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#141018
On 2024-05-10 14:34, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 8 May 2024 02:08:45 GMT :
> 
>> More like a bad allegory. Nobody here has claimed Face ID is the most
>> secure thing on the planet.
> 
> It's even worse when you learn iOS is the most exploited phone OS in
> history. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
> 
>      *No phone has ever had more zero-day holes than the iPhone.*
> 
> Which is why the phrase "To own an iPhone is to already be hacked" is true.

LOL!

You are a zealot, Arlen!

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#141020

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2024-05-10 22:21 +0000
Message-ID<la7kv7F2ibsU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#141018
On 2024-05-10, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 8 May 2024 02:08:45 GMT :
>
>> More like a bad allegory. Nobody here has claimed Face ID is the most
>> secure thing on the planet.
>
> It's even worse when you learn iOS is the blah blah blah

You're a broken record. Literally useless.

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#141021

FromAndrew <andrew@spam.net>
Date2024-05-11 04:08 +0000
Message-ID<v1mqvb$h10$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#141020
Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 22:21:27 GMT :

> You're a broken record. Literally useless.

And yet, it's a fact the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

No phone has more zero-day holes than the iPhone, Jolly Roger.

Since you get all your information about Apple only from Apple
advertisements, you're not aware of any of the facts about Apple.

All you know about is Apple's (brilliant) biometric marketing gimmicks.

Apple's advertisements make its gullible users *feel safe*, as Apple will
never tell you in its ads that to own an iPhone is to already be hacked.

Especially given Apple is the only common consumer operating system vendor
who only supports a single release at any one time. Yes, ONE RELEASE ONLY!

https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

You won't find the fact Apple's support is the most limited in the industry
in any of Apple's (rather brilliant) advertisements, now will you?

All you'll find in Apple advertisements are Apple's fantastic new emoji!

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