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Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people

Started byArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
First post2021-01-09 10:11 +0000
Last post2021-01-10 10:58 +0000
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  Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 10:11 +0000
    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 13:01 +0000
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-09 08:16 -0500
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-09 09:34 -0700
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-09 12:35 -0500
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-09 11:09 -0700
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:49 +0000
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:34 +0000
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-09 12:41 -0800
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 17:47 +0000
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-09 14:29 +0100
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-09 12:56 -0500
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-09 21:29 +0100
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 21:03 +0000
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:24 +0000
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-01-09 08:58 -0500
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:27 +0000
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-09 12:38 -0800
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-09 09:12 -0700
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-09 18:03 +0000
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-09 12:16 -0700
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:53 +0000
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-10 11:45 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 14:03 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 09:54 -0700
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 17:02 +0000
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 10:36 -0800
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 12:26 -0700
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 12:20 -0800
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 15:20 -0700
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 23:29 +0000
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 10:38 +1100
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 17:40 -0700
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 12:52 +1100
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 20:08 -0700
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 14:22 +1100
                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 13:51 +0000
                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 05:45 +1100
                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 09:38 +0000
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 03:26 +1100
                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 19:56 +0000
                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 07:15 +1100
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-14 10:15 -0700
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 18:42 +0000
                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 16:39 +1100
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-11 09:58 +0000
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-11 10:27 -0700
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 22:44 -0800
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 19:00 +1100
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-11 10:27 -0700
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-11 17:51 +0000
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 13:33 +0000
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 08:40 -0800
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 20:22 +0000
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 10:53 +1100
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 18:01 -0700
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 12:59 +1100
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 20:08 -0700
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 14:11 +1100
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-10 20:19 -0700
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 15:01 +1100
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:51 +0100
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:19 +0100
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 10:56 +1100
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-11 16:34 +0000
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-11 10:35 -0700
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-11 19:24 +0000
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 04:39 +1100
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:39 +0000
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 20:29 +0000
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 10:38 +0000
      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 10:58 +0000
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-10 08:55 -0500
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 15:41 +0000
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 21:48 +0000
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-10 19:47 -0500
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-11 15:22 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 13:35 +0000
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 10:05 -0500
        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-11 16:20 +0000
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-11 13:05 -0500
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-11 18:15 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 21:48 -0800
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 10:13 -0500
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 15:23 -0800
          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 15:47 -0800
            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 13:11 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 15:17 +0000
              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 10:19 -0500
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-12 08:14 -0800
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-12 13:41 -0500
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 05:51 +0700
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2021-01-12 15:58 -0700
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-12 18:15 -0500
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 07:46 +0700
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-17 21:24 -0800
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 14:31 -0500
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-12 14:47 -0800
                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 15:26 -0800
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-13 08:07 -0700
                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 08:37 -0800
                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 12:31 -0500
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-13 10:14 -0800
                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 10:49 -0800
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-13 11:32 -0800
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 16:07 -0500
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 15:51 -0800
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-13 18:57 -0500
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-17 21:39 -0800
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-17 22:24 -0800
                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 06:02 -0800
                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-17 21:32 -0800
                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-18 09:10 -0500
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-18 08:22 -0800
                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 09:06 -0800
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-18 12:51 -0500
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 09:58 -0800
                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-18 18:24 +0000
                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Anonymous Reactionary <anonymous@internet.everywhere> - 2021-01-20 00:18 +0000
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-18 18:23 +0000
                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-18 14:14 -0600
                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 07:49 +1100
                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 13:21 -0800
                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 08:42 +1100
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-18 16:16 -0600
                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 09:22 +1100
                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 14:23 -0800
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 14:21 -0800
                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 10:01 +1100
                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 15:27 -0800
                                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 13:13 +1100
                                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 18:27 -0800
                                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 13:46 +1100
                                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 18:52 -0800
                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-18 13:05 -0800
                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 08:30 +1100
                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-18 15:46 -0600
                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 09:19 +1100
                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-20 12:14 -0800
                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-20 13:03 -0800
                                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 08:25 +1100
                                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-20 13:38 -0800
                                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-20 21:44 +0000
                                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 10:44 +1100
                                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-21 19:19 +0000
                                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-21 11:39 -0800
                                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:52 +1100
                                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-22 03:55 +0000
                                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-22 03:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-21 22:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:50 +1100
                                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-22 03:58 +0000
                                            Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-20 15:30 -0600
                                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-20 21:46 +0000
                                                Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 10:48 +1100
                                                  Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-21 19:20 +0000
                                                    Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 08:01 +1100
                                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-22 03:59 +0000
                                                        Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 15:19 +1100
                                                          Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-01-22 16:35 +0000
                                              Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 10:40 +1100
                                      Re: Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2021-01-18 14:14 -0800
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#73228 — Washington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 10:11 +0000
SubjectWashington Post claims cellphone surveillance data is being collected in the capitol to identify people
Message-ID<rtbvgd$10f7$1@neodome.net>
This is NOT a political post (save that infantile garbage for the trolls).
o This is verbatim from the Washington Post, dateline today, the facts
  being about cellphone records being used to track people's activities.

 "The goal for Congressional leaders will be to allow evidence to be
  collected without creating a precedent that could enable future
  surveillance of legislative business."

 "The Capitol, more than most buildings, has a vast cellular and wireless
  data infrastructure of its own to make communications efficient in a
  building made largely of stone and that extends deep underground and has
  pockets of shielded areas. Such infrastructure, such as individual cell
  towers, can turn any connected phone into its own tracking device."

o Police let most Capitol rioters walk away. 
  But cellphone data and videos could now lead to more arrests
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/08/trump-mob-tech-arrests/>

 "Phone records make determining the owners of these devices trivially
  easy. Congressional investigators and federal prosecutors can also
  identify devices and users who may have connected wittingly or
  automatically to congressional guest WiFi networks"

 "Efforts to get cellular, Wifi and video data could be complicated by the
  constitutional boundaries between executive-branch prosecutors and the
  Congressional leaders who have authority over the Capitol. But given the
  shared interest in investigating Wednesday's incident thoroughly, that's
  unlikely to be a serious barrier"

 "The ability of law enforcement to use similar tools is significantly more
  profound because of the availability of cell-tower records "
-- 
Note: They used other methods also, including driver license photos
(none of which are advertised to be used for surveillance purposes)
"The FBI's software can scan through a database that includes more than 641
million photos of Americans' faces, largely taken from jail mug shot
photos, visa applications and driver's licenses"

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#73229

FromDieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com>
Date2021-01-09 13:01 +0000
Message-ID<rtc9fb$31t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73228
On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 10:11:25 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:

> This is NOT a political post (save that infantile garbage for the
> trolls).
> o This is verbatim from the Washington Post, dateline today, the facts
>   being about cellphone records being used to track people's activities.
[...]

I live in Denmark and have an Android phone. About once a month I
get an email from google, with a link where I can see where I have
been every day, in a form of maps. This is fine with me, but there
are errors. Once that map reckoned I had been a certain route the
previous day, which was totally wrong, grabbed out of the air. It WAS
a route I often take, but not on that day. Again, this might just be
funny, but people have been convicted on the basis of such records,
when it was not true, so generally this is a worry.

Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?
-- 
Dieter Britz

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#73230

From"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
Date2021-01-09 08:16 -0500
Message-ID<rtcabh$bvs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73229
"Dieter Britz" <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote

| Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?


  It's my understanding that you can turn it off if...

1) You don't use any apps that depend on location
data. Restaurant finders, Uber, maps, etc.

2) You believe that Google has ever told you the
truth about anything and that off could possibly
mean off in a Google product.

  Of course, that wouldn't affect the constant pinging
of cell towers so that you can receive phone calls.

  I wouldn't expect anything different from iPhones.
Apple, also, has nothing but contempt for their
customers and was once caught storing text-based
location records. I guess the main difference is that
Apple fans are more likely to think of spying as a
service.

  You can turn off your phone. I use a Tracphone
and leave it completely off except when I actually
need to make a call. The charge lasts for months.
But, of course, most people would not see the
sense of having a phone that works as a phone. :) 

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#73234

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2021-01-09 09:34 -0700
Message-ID<rtclvh$1nf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73230
On 1/9/2021 6:16 AM, Mayayana wrote:

> I use a Tracphone and leave it completely off except when I actually
> need to make a call.

My phone takes around 30 seconds to boot up from being off. A PITA if I
had to do it all the time. Another PITA for me would be keeping track of
the Voicemails since my extended family is now well over 60 members. And
doctor callbacks? But as always DSFDF.

> The charge lasts for months.

Wireless chargers make charging phones very easy to do these days. My
battery generally lasts for a few days. Course YMMV depending on your
phone type and use.

> But, of course, most people would not see the sense of having a phone
> that works as a phone. :)

All the phones I've had going back to the 40's generally worked two way
24/7. Else they were considered broken.

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#73237

From"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
Date2021-01-09 12:35 -0500
Message-ID<rtcpgs$snm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73234
"AJL" <noemail@none.com> wrote

| > The charge lasts for months.
|
| Wireless chargers make charging phones very easy to do these days. My
| battery generally lasts for a few days. Course YMMV depending on your
| phone type and use.
|

 I don't find the charging a hassle. But I keep the phone
in the car and might not use it for weeks. So the long
charge is nice.

  I know what you mean about the slow boot. It seems
ridiculous. But maybe that's the time to check for signals?
It doesn't bother me because I just don't use the phone
daily. For anyone who does, I don't see any way to
maintain privacy. Even if you kept it in a metal case, you'd
still have to take it out to make calls... Once you start
giving out the number you're stuck.

  I sometimes have people who feel resentful that I give
them a landline phone #, as though I wasn't giving them
the real number. I tell them that I can find out my
cellphone number if they like, and give it to them, but
that I'll never get their phone messages and will probably
never, ever read a text. That shuts them up. :)


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#73240

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2021-01-09 11:09 -0700
Message-ID<rtcrg5$bvr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73237
On 1/9/2021 10:35 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> "AJL" <noemail@none.com> wrote
>
> | > The charge lasts for months. | | Wireless chargers make charging
> phones very easy to do these days. My | battery generally lasts for a
> few days. Course YMMV depending on your | phone type and use. |
>
> I don't find the charging a hassle. But I keep the phone in the car
> and might not use it for weeks. So the long charge is nice.

Ah. My cell is now my only phone so I need to keep it turned on and have
it around. I have it hooked by Bluetooth to my cordless phones at home
so still have the convenience of a landline.

> I know what you mean about the slow boot. It seems ridiculous. But
> maybe that's the time to check for signals? It doesn't bother me
> because I just don't use the phone daily. For anyone who does, I
> don't see any way to maintain privacy.

I doubt there is much privacy these days. My doctor has me on their
servers. Likewise my credit cards. Likewise my phone company. Likewise
the government. Likewise my online tax service. Likewise my HOA.
Likewise my insurance. Likewise my bank. Likewise Google. Likewise,
likewise, likewise.

> Even if you kept it in a metal case, you'd still have to take it out
> to make calls... Once you start giving out the number you're stuck.

I have do not disturb set to only answer calls on my contact list. I
also use Verizon's free call blocker. So I'm seldom bothered by unwanted
calls or voicemails.

> I sometimes have people who feel resentful that I give them a
> landline phone #, as though I wasn't giving them the real number.

I just got rid of my landline a few weeks ago. I Should have done it
years ago.

> I tell them that I can find out my cellphone number if they like, and
> give it to them, but that I'll never get their phone messages and
> will probably never, ever read a text. That shuts them up. :)

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#73251

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 20:49 +0000
Message-ID<rtd4so$59e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73240
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:09:10 -0700, AJL wrote:

> I doubt there is much privacy these days. 

There is less, but you can gain more if you're intelligent about it.
o The single biggest step, IMHO, is to _not_ set Android to a google account
   <https://i.postimg.cc/G2n0qDpt/settings07.jpg>

IMHO, you lose nothing, and gain everything by that single step.
o There's more to privacy; but that one step is fundamentally sound.

As just one example, you don't let Google have all your contacts:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/cHbmNtJ2/contacts01.jpg>

Many more examples abound... 
o Privacy is for those who are intelligent, and, who don't just give up.

> I have do not disturb set to only answer calls on my contact list. I
> also use Verizon's free call blocker. So I'm seldom bothered by unwanted
> calls or voicemails.

T-Mobile also has a free scam call blocker, or so they say.
o T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/G6ZWN1SiJSs/>

> I just got rid of my landline a few weeks ago. I Should have done it
> years ago.

See also:
o How does incoming caller ID work - and more specifically - can caller ID source data be controlled?
   <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/GMKskP4h0Cs/>
-- 
Unlike apologists & trolls, I back up the facts I claim such that my
credibility on facts is 100%.

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#73247

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<rtd418$1nnq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73234
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 09:34:58 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I use a Tracphone and leave it completely off except when I actually
>> need to make a call.
> 
> My phone takes around 30 seconds to boot up from being off

IMHO, on Android, it's trivial to leave location off by default.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/g0ncf3dK/settings04.jpg>

Particularly when you already have location set on a per-app basis
o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg>

1. When you use an app in the DENIED list, it can't ask for location.
2. If you use an app in the "ONLY WHEN USED" list, it will ask you.
3. Likewise with the "ALLOWED ALL THE TIME" list (which is empty).

Easy peasy.
o I don't use iOS all that much lately so the iOS users will have to 
  let the rest of us know if they too have that kind of location privacy.
-- 
Posted to disseminate my knowledge to others who can benefit from facts.

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#73250

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2021-01-09 12:41 -0800
Message-ID<rtd4du$aja$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73247
On 2021-01-09 12:34 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 09:34:58 -0700, AJL wrote:
> 
>>> I use a Tracphone and leave it completely off except when I actually
>>> need to make a call.
>>
>> My phone takes around 30 seconds to boot up from being off
> 
> IMHO, on Android, it's trivial to leave location off by default.
> o <https://i.postimg.cc/g0ncf3dK/settings04.jpg>
> 
> Particularly when you already have location set on a per-app basis
> o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg>
> 
> 1. When you use an app in the DENIED list, it can't ask for location.
> 2. If you use an app in the "ONLY WHEN USED" list, it will ask you.
> 3. Likewise with the "ALLOWED ALL THE TIME" list (which is empty).
> 
> Easy peasy.
> o I don't use iOS all that much lately so the iOS users will have to
>    let the rest of us know if they too have that kind of location privacy.
> 

We do.

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#73238

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 17:47 +0000
Message-ID<rtcq89$sul$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73230
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 08:16:20 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

>   I wouldn't expect anything different from iPhones.
> Apple, also, has nothing but contempt for their
> customers and was once caught storing text-based
> location records. I guess the main difference is that
> Apple fans are more likely to think of spying as a
> service.

IMHO: Apple sold out its (admittedly loyal) customers in a split second.

Does anyone here know this fact?
 "Apple now receives an estimated $8 billion to $12 billion in annual 
  payments... in exchange for building Google's search engine into 
  its products." 

 "It is probably the single biggest payment that Google makes to anyone 
  and accounts for 14 to 21 percent of Apple's annual profits." 

Think of how UNGODLY that sum of money is...
o Clearly Google isn't paying Apple billions by getting nothing out of it

As you know, my credibility on facts is 100% accurate, so for every fact I
cite, please expect to see proof (unlike apologists who only bullshit):
o Google Pays Apple $8-12 Billion Per Year to be Default iOS Search Engine
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/yU6d7f670Ho>

IMHO: Apple sold out its (admittedly loyal) customers in a split second.
-- 
One bug.... and the entire untested core iOS house of cards falls down.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA> 
Google asked "Was it really that easy?", to which the answer was "Yes", 
of course, (Apple is all MARKETING with the lowest R&D in all high tech!)

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#73231

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-01-09 14:29 +0100
Message-ID<rmnoch-gpn.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#73229
On 09/01/2021 14.01, Dieter Britz wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 10:11:25 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:
> 
>> This is NOT a political post (save that infantile garbage for the
>> trolls).
>> o This is verbatim from the Washington Post, dateline today, the facts
>>   being about cellphone records being used to track people's activities.
> [...]
> 
> I live in Denmark and have an Android phone. About once a month I
> get an email from google, with a link where I can see where I have
> been every day, in a form of maps. This is fine with me, but there
> are errors. Once that map reckoned I had been a certain route the
> previous day, which was totally wrong, grabbed out of the air. It WAS
> a route I often take, but not on that day. Again, this might just be
> funny, but people have been convicted on the basis of such records,
> when it was not true, so generally this is a worry.

I don't think that people can be convicted on the basis of such
"records", because what you are seeing is the google interpretation of
the data it has, not the actual data.

The authorities would likely collect the information records from the
cell towers, and if available, compare with the GPS data from the phone
itself collected by Google.

> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?

Yes and no. You can turn it off in the maps, I think.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73239

From"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
Date2021-01-09 12:56 -0500
Message-ID<rtcqpd$6if$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73231
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

|
| The authorities would likely collect the information records from the
| cell towers, and if available, compare with the GPS data from the phone
| itself collected by Google.
|

  I suspect that these days they're also contracting with
data brokers. Companies have been set up to buy and
sell data, so that someone who writes an app might be
able to get paid something in exchange for data they've
collected.

  The whole thing has gone mad. A friend was logging into
something commercial the other day and it asked her about
things like former addresses and cars she'd owned, in order
to confirm her ID. That seems to indicate they're buying
credit agency data. I've only seen the US govt ask such questions.

  Or maybe they're buying from data brokers who bought from...
One of the questions asked her to pick an address she
recognized. The only familiar one was her son's house. So
they somehow knew that was her son and knew where he
lived, despite him having a different last name.

  I got an email recently from my health insurance company.
It was a link to useless tips about COID vaccine. Trying to
keep the rabble patient while we wait for our shots. The link
was rigged to go to
fgsfulfillment.com, with identifying parameters tacked on, which
would then forward to my insurers site. My insurer is subject
to HIPAA medical privacy law. But who is fgsfulfillment?
I'm still not sure. The domain is privately registered. Other
clues I found seem to indicate a company owned by an Indian
man. Or maybe it's Financial Graphic Services, whatever that
means. Their site seems to be hosted by one onx.com, so
this shadow company handling medical data don't even
have their own servers!

  When I go directly to my insurance company site there's
still Google Tag Manager on their page. So they can't share
my data, but they can. Fortunately, I've got almost everything
Google in my HOSTS file, but most people do not. And Google
partners with PRISM. No extent of detail in spyware data
should be surprising anymore. 

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#73246

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-01-09 21:29 +0100
Message-ID<tagpch-3s7.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#73239
On 09/01/2021 18.56, Mayayana wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> 
> |
> | The authorities would likely collect the information records from the
> | cell towers, and if available, compare with the GPS data from the phone
> | itself collected by Google.
> |
> 
>   I suspect that these days they're also contracting with
> data brokers. Companies have been set up to buy and
> sell data, so that someone who writes an app might be
> able to get paid something in exchange for data they've
> collected.
> 
>   The whole thing has gone mad. A friend was logging into
> something commercial the other day and it asked her about
> things like former addresses and cars she'd owned, in order
> to confirm her ID. That seems to indicate they're buying
> credit agency data. I've only seen the US govt ask such questions.
> 
>   Or maybe they're buying from data brokers who bought from...
> One of the questions asked her to pick an address she
> recognized. The only familiar one was her son's house. So
> they somehow knew that was her son and knew where he
> lived, despite him having a different last name.
> 
>   I got an email recently from my health insurance company.
> It was a link to useless tips about COID vaccine. Trying to
> keep the rabble patient while we wait for our shots. The link
> was rigged to go to
> fgsfulfillment.com, with identifying parameters tacked on, which
> would then forward to my insurers site. My insurer is subject
> to HIPAA medical privacy law. But who is fgsfulfillment?
> I'm still not sure. The domain is privately registered. Other
> clues I found seem to indicate a company owned by an Indian
> man. Or maybe it's Financial Graphic Services, whatever that
> means. Their site seems to be hosted by one onx.com, so
> this shadow company handling medical data don't even
> have their own servers!
> 
>   When I go directly to my insurance company site there's
> still Google Tag Manager on their page. So they can't share
> my data, but they can. Fortunately, I've got almost everything
> Google in my HOSTS file, but most people do not. And Google
> partners with PRISM. No extent of detail in spyware data
> should be surprising anymore. 

I'm glad about EU privacy laws :-D


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73253

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 21:03 +0000
Message-ID<rtd5nf$i37$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73246
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 21:29:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I'm glad about EU privacy laws :-D

Hi Carlos, 
I too am glad about EU privacy laws, where, for example, apparently, in the
EU WhatsApp isn't able to strongarm Europeans (I think), but WhatsApp is
strongarming the American users, as detailed factually in this thread:
o WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/7ez5Oog7yiY/>

It could be that they know most Americans just use WhatsApp to converse
with Europeans (for reasons related to how Europeans are billed), where
they don't want the Europeans leaving the app, but the Americans won't if
they need to talk to Europeans (which would just be a clever move on their
part, but despicable, IMHO, nonetheless).

Moving forward on privacy, for better or for worse, California voters just
voted themselves a brand-new huge privacy agency (in California, the people
can make laws outside the legislature, which is an odd system, to be sure).
o California Proposition 24, Consumer Personal Information Law and Agency Initiative (2020)
<https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_24,_Consumer_Personal_Information_Law_and_Agency_Initiative_(2020)>

This privacy agency will be 1% of the California budget, which is huge, 
so it will be like CARB was to the EPA, I think, where it's the tail
wagging the dog, so to speak.
o AMENDS CONSUMER PRIVACY LAWS.
<https://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/propositions/24/>

California is so huge that it is a huge tail wagging the USA (and, in some
ways, the rest of the world), for better or for worse.
o Proposition 24: More data privacy
<https://calmatters.org/election-2020-guide/proposition-24-data-privacy/>

In summary, expect "California Privacy Laws" on the net to get stricter
and more enforced - when that brand new bureaucracy gets some traction.
-- 
Posted out of the goodness of my heart, where trolls post out of malice in
their soul.

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#73243

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 20:24 +0000
Message-ID<rtd3d7$1dul$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73231
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 14:29:31 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?
> 
> Yes and no. You can turn it off in the maps, I think.

Hi Carlos,

See the screenshots below which shows the utter power of location
permissions, which many iOS users probably don't even know about
(because most iOS users apparently are fed only by MARKETING BS):
o <https://i.postimg.cc/SKsjkwLC/maps03.jpg> Google Maps App(s)
o <https://i.postimg.cc/g0ncf3dK/settings04.jpg> Settings shortcut
o <https://i.postimg.cc/KcncSGXC/settings05.jpg> Permission Manager
o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg> Location permissions
o <https://i.postimg.cc/G2n0qDpt/settings07.jpg> No Google Account

As you're well aware, there's _more_ than just location services (e.g.,
there's WIFi and bluetooth, although WiFi was mentioned, but not bluetooth
- which is off topic for this thread unless the police are using Bluetooth
also for their public surveillance activities (certainly companies are);
but the Capitol Police also have extensive photo records to corroborate the
cellphone records with (which is off topic for this thread about cellphone
surveillance facts).

The point of this thread, of course, is to _protect_ yourself from
surveillance of everything you do (where it easily spills over into legal
activities also, e.g., the collection of IMEI's by FBI Cessnas overhead).

To your point, on Android, you can easily turn off location services.
o Even if you use them, AFAIK, you can turn off uploading to Google.
  
You can even put a shortcut on your desktop to those deep location
settings, which is what I do, to easily get to settings inside Android
(or inside of specific apps, such as with Google Maps App Settings).

In addition, in later Android (mine is Android 10) you can set each and
every app to use or not use location services, in a variety of ways:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg> 

Furthermore, while iOS essentially requires an iCloud account, Android
doesn't even need a Google Account, so there is no "location history" 
per se stored by the operating system or uploaded to Google Servers.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/G2n0qDpt/settings07.jpg> 

For Google Maps, if people are intelligent, you can get real time 
traffic and offline routing _without_ giving Google your location.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/SKsjkwLC/maps03.jpg> Google Maps App(s)
-- 
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to present facts to this ng.

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#73232

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2021-01-09 08:58 -0500
Message-ID<ZDiKH.86919$R82.66311@fx46.iad>
In reply to#73229
On 2021-01-09 08:01, Dieter Britz wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 10:11:25 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:
> 
>> This is NOT a political post (save that infantile garbage for the
>> trolls).
>> o This is verbatim from the Washington Post, dateline today, the facts
>>    being about cellphone records being used to track people's activities.
> [...]
> 
> I live in Denmark and have an Android phone. About once a month I
> get an email from google, with a link where I can see where I have
> been every day, in a form of maps. This is fine with me, but there
> are errors. Once that map reckoned I had been a certain route the
> previous day, which was totally wrong, grabbed out of the air. It WAS
> a route I often take, but not on that day. Again, this might just be
> funny, but people have been convicted on the basis of such records,
> when it was not true, so generally this is a worry.
> 
> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?

Yes.


-- 
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
  man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
                                             -Samuel Clemens

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#73244

FromArlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date2021-01-09 20:27 +0000
Message-ID<rtd3ij$1gtk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#73232
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 08:58:17 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?
> 
> Yes.

Here is the setting for Android on my phone to set permission by app:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg> Location permissions

I use iOS so little nowadays, that others will have to screenshot
where (and if) the feature exists on iOS to turn location permissions
on or off by application, either
a. All the time
b. Only when the app is running
c. None of the time

It's up to the user when/if/how an app obtains "location" data.
-- 
Privacy is a basic right that takes intelligence to exercise fully.

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#73248

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2021-01-09 12:38 -0800
Message-ID<rtd485$8vl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73244
On 2021-01-09 12:27 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 08:58:17 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
>>> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?
>>
>> Yes.
> 
> Here is the setting for Android on my phone to set permission by app:
> o <https://i.postimg.cc/05dvXVDs/settings06.jpg> Location permissions
> 
> I use iOS so little nowadays,

And yet you never mention that when you're pretending extensive 
knowledge of it...

>  that others will have to screenshot
> where (and if) the feature exists on iOS to turn location permissions
> on or off by application, either
> a. All the time
> b. Only when the app is running
> c. None of the time

It exists.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ru70o8kor1oxp08/IMG_4325.PNG?dl=0>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbbeyyj3y8nq1wo/IMG_4326.PNG?dl=0>

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#73233

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2021-01-09 09:12 -0700
Message-ID<rtcklc$nfq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73229
On 1/9/2021 6:01 AM, Dieter Britz wrote:

> I live in Denmark and have an Android phone. About once a month I
> get an email from google, with a link where I can see where I have
> been every day, in a form of maps. This is fine with me, but there
> are errors. Once that map reckoned I had been a certain route the
> previous day, which was totally wrong, grabbed out of the air. It WAS
> a route I often take, but not on that day. Again, this might just be
> funny, but people have been convicted on the basis of such records,
> when it was not true, so generally this is a worry.
>
> Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?

I generally leave my phone's location setting off when I'm in familiar
local territory since it may feed my location to more than just
Google apps. But on trips I enjoy the services of Maps so need to turn
it on.

However I have paused my location history in: Google Dashboard > Your
Activity Data > Location History.

I also pause 'App and Web Activity' and 'YouTube History'.

Dunno if it does much good but it makes me feel better.

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#73241

FromChris Green <cl@isbd.net>
Date2021-01-09 18:03 +0000
Message-ID<8p7pch-c6nh.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>
In reply to#73233
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/2021 6:01 AM, Dieter Britz wrote:
> 
> > I live in Denmark and have an Android phone. About once a month I
> > get an email from google, with a link where I can see where I have
> > been every day, in a form of maps. This is fine with me, but there
> > are errors. Once that map reckoned I had been a certain route the
> > previous day, which was totally wrong, grabbed out of the air. It WAS
> > a route I often take, but not on that day. Again, this might just be
> > funny, but people have been convicted on the basis of such records,
> > when it was not true, so generally this is a worry.
> >
> > Is it possible to turn this "feature" off?
> 
> I generally leave my phone's location setting off when I'm in familiar
> local territory since it may feed my location to more than just
> Google apps. But on trips I enjoy the services of Maps so need to turn
> it on.
> 
I have an old[ish] Android phone that I use solely as a SatNav, since
it's on my 'bike it's a bit vulnerable so it has no SIM in it. With a
SatNav app such as Here! it works perfectly, no need for contact with
Google at all (it can't!).

-- 
Chris Green
ยท

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