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  Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 13:19 -0800
    Re: Endless wrangling VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-07 16:47 -0600
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 15:42 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 15:56 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 16:14 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:43 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:42 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 15:33 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 07:41 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 16:38 +0100
                  Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:58 -0700
              Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 09:53 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 12:04 -0700
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 14:23 -0700
                  Re: Endless wrangling philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-10 13:37 -0600
                    Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:48 -0700
                      Re: Endless wrangling philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-10 21:10 +0000
                        Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-11 06:51 -0700
                          Re: Endless wrangling philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-11 08:04 -0600
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:40 +0100
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 16:00 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-08 22:38 +0000
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 16:21 -0700
              Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 09:22 -0800
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:47 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:39 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-07 23:42 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-08 08:10 +0100
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 23:22 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-08 08:23 -0500
        Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:37 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2021-01-08 13:13 -0700
    Re: Endless wrangling Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 14:33 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:20 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 11:03 +0000
          Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 10:41 -0800
    Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 09:08 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 13:31 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:54 +0100
          Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 14:04 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 23:20 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-11 16:34 +0000
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-11 23:25 +0100
          Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 15:47 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:31 +0000
            Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-09 08:57 -0800
              Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 21:15 +0000
              Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-09 23:36 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 20:52 -0800
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-10 12:36 +0100
            Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-10 09:36 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 06:39 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:22 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 12:48 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 20:37 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-08 23:55 -0600
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 06:44 +0000
        Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-09 08:45 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 21:20 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:29 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 03:34 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 21:37 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 06:46 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-11 21:51 +0100
      Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-11 14:05 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-11 23:26 +0100
        Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 03:47 +0100
        Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 13:19 +0000
          Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-12 08:27 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 19:02 +0000
            Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 20:24 -0800

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#73217

On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 01:29:44 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> *The _adults_ on this newsgroup never come to the defense of other adults.*

What's telling is that not a _single_ adult came to my defense on Steve's bullshit
o Even those I've spent hours upon hours helping solve their issues.

Is every adult a coward on this newsgroup, deferring to the trolls?
o Does nobody ever bother to defend truth on this newsgroup?

Is everyone so inured to bullshit that nobody calls people out on it?
o Or is everyone a coward who wouldn't stand up for anyone.

Especially someone who has given a zillion hours of effort to this ng.
o Always striving to add value, and testing all the software claimed.

See a separate thread on this topic as I don't want to usurp this thread:
o Why don't the adults on this newsgroup stand up to the trolls?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/xhVMRLiOxo0>
-- 
Posted because no adult stood up to the worthless trolls' bullshit.

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#73219

On 01/08/2021 05:29 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Hi The Real Bev,
>
>     Whom do you know on this newsgroup who supports their facts with cites
>     more than I do, The Real Bev?

Doesn't concern me.  You post a LOT of useful information for which I'm 
grateful.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have
    never experienced any prob

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#73223

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:37:47 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> Doesn't concern me.  You post a LOT of useful information for which I'm 
> grateful.

OK.

That tells me everything I need to know about you.

Forget me helping you ever again as I detest cowards.

And anyone else who doesn't stand up to the bullshit Steve spews.

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#73384

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:19:08 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further 
> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of 
> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet 
> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course) 
> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.

This is why g0D invented kill filters. Use them at your own discretion;
we don't need to know who's in yours and who's not. If all the adults do
the same, the noise just goes away.

-- 
s|b

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#73391

On 1/11/2021 12:51 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:19:08 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
> 
> This is why g0D invented kill filters. Use them at your own discretion;
> we don't need to know who's in yours and who's not. If all the adults do
> the same, the noise just goes away.

True. However sometimes it's helpful to share filter rules with those 
that may not be familiar with how newsgroup readers work.

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#73393

On 11/01/2021 23.05, sms wrote:
> On 1/11/2021 12:51 PM, s|b wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:19:08 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
>>
>> This is why g0D invented kill filters. Use them at your own discretion;
>> we don't need to know who's in yours and who's not. If all the adults do
>> the same, the noise just goes away.
> 
> True. However sometimes it's helpful to share filter rules with those
> that may not be familiar with how newsgroup readers work.

Yes. And sometimes it is not trivial to figure the optimal header string
to filter on.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73407

Am 11.01.21 um 23:05 schrieb sms:
> On 1/11/2021 12:51 PM, s|b wrote:
>> This is why g0D invented kill filters. Use them at your own discretion;
>> we don't need to know who's in yours and who's not. If all the adults do
>> the same, the noise just goes away.
> 
> True. However sometimes it's helpful to share filter rules with those 
> that may not be familiar with how newsgroup readers work.

They work the same way e-mail-clients work. Especially the
filter-functionality.

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#73416

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 1/11/2021 12:51 PM, s|b wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:19:08 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> > 
> >> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
> >> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
> >> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
> >> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
> >> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
> > 
> > This is why g0D invented kill filters. Use them at your own discretion;
> > we don't need to know who's in yours and who's not. If all the adults do
> > the same, the noise just goes away.
> 
> True. However sometimes it's helpful to share filter rules with those 
> that may not be familiar with how newsgroup readers work.

  Yes, that might be very helpful, because until now I haven't figured
out how to killfile this 'sms' character!

  But seriously, when discussing filter rules, let's try not to mention
'who' (which name/nym or/and (pseudo) e-mail address) we're trying to
filter.

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#73428

On 1/12/2021 5:19 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>
>    Yes, that might be very helpful, because until now I haven't figured
> out how to killfile this 'sms' character!
> 
>    But seriously, when discussing filter rules, let's try not to mention
> 'who' (which name/nym or/and (pseudo) e-mail address) we're trying to
> filter.

Okay.

But I will point out that in Thunderbird (and other newsgroup readers), 
using "contains" instead of "is" in a filter rule is usually a better 
approach because often the nymshifting trolls will only slightly change 
their nym so a single rule can cover multiple nyms.

Sometimes they'll stick a special character into their nym, but you can 
also filter just on that special character.

It generally requires only a few rules to clean up a newsgroup. When I 
was filtering using "is" I had a long list of rules since every time our 
favorite troll would nymshift I added another rule.

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#73435

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/2021 5:19 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> >    Yes, that might be very helpful, because until now I haven't figured
> > out how to killfile this 'sms' character!
> > 
> >    But seriously, when discussing filter rules, let's try not to mention
> > 'who' (which name/nym or/and (pseudo) e-mail address) we're trying to
> > filter.
> 
> Okay.
> 
> But I will point out that in Thunderbird (and other newsgroup readers), 
> using "contains" instead of "is" in a filter rule is usually a better 
> approach because often the nymshifting trolls will only slightly change 
> their nym so a single rule can cover multiple nyms.

  Yes, my newsreader uses (implied) 'contains' by default and you've to
add special characters to make it into an 'is'. Ain't regular
expressions grand! :-)

> Sometimes they'll stick a special character into their nym, but you can 
> also filter just on that special character.
> 
> It generally requires only a few rules to clean up a newsgroup. When I 
> was filtering using "is" I had a long list of rules since every time our 
> favorite troll would nymshift I added another rule.

  Yes, it now has only one entry (which contains multiple expressions
just to be on the safe side),

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#73471

On 01/12/2021 08:27 AM, sms wrote:

> Sometimes they'll stick a special character into their nym, but you can
> also filter just on that special character.

One of the guys in one of the groups I used to read included invisible 
backspace characters in his name.  It was absolutely impossible to copy it.

> It generally requires only a few rules to clean up a newsgroup. When I
> was filtering using "is" I had a long list of rules since every time our
> favorite troll would nymshift I added another rule.

I always use 'contains'.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."
    -- U.S. Supreme Court, McIntyre v Ohio Elections,1995

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