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  Note pad Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 13:34 +0000
    Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 14:40 +0100
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 15:52 +0000
      Re: Note pad Davidm <davidm_uk-notme@hotmail.com> - 2021-01-01 16:11 +0000
        Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:37 +0000
          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 20:55 +0100
            Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 20:43 +0000
              Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 22:33 +0100
                Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 13:36 +0100
                    Re: Note pad AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-02 08:40 -0700
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:49 +0000
                        Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 20:38 +0100
                          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                      Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 20:36 +0100
                    Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 17:09 +0000
                      Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 21:01 +0100
                        Re: Note pad AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-02 14:36 -0700
                          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 22:55 +0100
                        Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-03 22:54 +0100
                            Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 00:21 +0000
    Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 09:50 -0600
      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:19 +0000
        Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 10:56 -0600
          Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 17:32 +0000
            Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 11:49 -0600
              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 19:32 +0000
                Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 17:44 -0600
                  Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 00:17 +0000
                    Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 18:36 -0600
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 04:53 +0000
                    Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 01:47 +0000
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 05:06 +0000
                        Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 05:34 +0000
                          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 17:09 +0000
                            Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 19:12 +0000
                              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                            Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-03 02:49 +0000
                              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 21:55 +0000
                                Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-03 17:44 -0600
                                  Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 01:05 +0000
                                    Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 01:49 +0000
      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 02:19 +0000
    Re: Note pad VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-01 10:12 -0600
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:33 +0000
    Re:Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-02 14:43 +0100
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:44 +0000
        Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-03 10:29 +0100
          Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-03 11:05 +0100
          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 21:55 +0000
            Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-05 21:37 +0100
              Re: Note pad  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 23:58 +0000
                Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-07 18:03 +0100
    Re: Note pad Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:18 +0000

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#72994

On 1/3/21 3:55 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 02:49:48 +0000, philo wrote:
> 
>> Success!
>> The program APP Backup & Restore had a setting to find system apps.
>> And I now have QuickMemo+ backed up.
> 
> Good. I knew it would work to back up _any_ installed app, even system
> apps.
> 
> What was the full name of the APK that it backed up?
> 
>> Now if I get a new Android without the app..
>> I can install it.
> 
> Just a warning that any one free APK works on any other Android phone under
> two circumstances, which only happen less than 1% of the time:
> 1. If the manufacturer of the app _limited_ it to a specific phone, or,
> 2. If the SDK version of the app no longer works on a newer Android version
> 
> In my humblest of experiences, where I must have extracted thousands of
> APKs over the years for re-use on other Android devices, this happens only
> a handful of times.
> 
>> Again thank you!
>> Really nice to know this.
> 
> I am glad to help as I was starting to wonder if you were a troll, so I'm
> glad you reported back.
> 
> It's a favorite tactic of the "highwinds" trolls (such as "T", "micky",
> "Bod", and a few others I'm watching closely) to ask a question that they
> simply fabricate, and then to throw hurdle after hurdle into the responses
> aimed at graciously helping them.
> 
> Not even clicking nor reading (or comprehending) the cites provided is a
> classic child-like game that the Apple apologists do all the time, by the
> way, as do the infantile trolls, where they don't even attempt the
> solutions so kindly suggested of them (e.g., you still haven't bothered to
> list the full name of the app you have, which is trivial to do if you
> followed my directions).
> 
> So I'm glad you reported success.
> o What is the name of the APK you extracted?
> 



Full name is:


QuickMemo+-com.lge.qmemoplus-800000026-v8.0.26.apk

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#72998

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 17:44:20 -0600, philo wrote:

> Full name is:
> QuickMemo+-com.lge.qmemoplus-800000026-v8.0.26.apk

That helps a lot.

o The unique name of the app is, perhaps <com.lge.qmemoplus>
as per:
o what is com.lge.qmemoplus
<https://forums.androidcentral.com/ask-question/892398-what-com-lge-qmemoplus.html>
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/backup-all-quickmemo-notes.3903280/>
<https://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/VS930/JB/Userguide/basics_QuickMemo.html>

Let's see if that's on Google Play:
o <https://play.google.com/store/search?q=com.lge.qmemoplus&c=apps>

It didn't seem to be there, but other hits were found on the net:
o How to Use QuickMemo+ on Your LG G4
<https://www.verizon.com/support/lg-g4-quick-memo-plus-video/>

You can download a variety of versions off of Google Play, but I wouldn't:
o LG QuickMemo+ 7.0.27 (Android 8.0+) By LG Electronics, Inc.
<https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/lgelectronics/quickmemo/quickmemo-7-0-27-release/quickmemo-7-0-27-android-apk-download/>

At this point in time, you're all set.
o You can copy that APK to any other Android phone to install

If it won't install, it's only one of two reasons (both rare):
a. LG designed the app to only work on one phone type
b. LG designed the phone to not work on the later Android releases

When you doubleclick on the APK on another phone, it's called "sideloading"
o Pretty much you can _trust_ the app if it was pre-installed by LG.

o How to sideload an APK or install an Android app from outside the Play Store
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-sideload-an-apk/>

o How to safely sideload apps on your Android device
<https://phandroid.com/2020/08/10/how-to-sideload-apps/>

o How to Sideload Apps on Android
<https://www.howtogeek.com/313433/how-to-sideload-apps-on-android/>

o Android 101: How to Install an APK on Android (Sideloading Apps)
<https://www.thecustomdroid.com/how-to-install-apk-on-android/>

Note I didn't read any of those 'cuz I know how to sideload; but also
because most of those tutorials spend 99.9% of their time worrying about
the safety of the APK where in your case, you're pretty safe if it was
an LG app that LG pre-installed on your phone (IMHO).
-- 
You only need to read one (they'll all likely say the exact same thing).

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#73001

This "philo" is a sock of "micky" as far as I can tell.
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/PE2vt6TTBK4/m/7N1lhQv4CQAJ>

Until I realized he was the same infantile troll of "micky", I was
wondering who was that stupid, such that he threw fabricated hurdles into
everything he said, and he proved absolutely nothing, and he didn't seem to
do any work in any post.

TO me, it seemed as if he was a credibility troll, just trying to earn a
seat at the Android table, until he could then infest this newsgroup with
his inevitable infantile political crap like he does on the REPAIR ng.

Given this "philo" is a sock of "micky", I suggest we have no further
contact with it.
-- 
I care about this newsgroup by defending against the infantile trolls.

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#73004

Update:

I spent a couple of hours trying to "help" this infantile "philo" troll
o Where I was wondering with every post why it wasn't doing anything

It was just throwing up hurdle after hurdle after hurdle...
o None of which made any sense (it was simply fabricating everything)

And I wasted my valuable time faithfully trying to help it.
o Fucking worthless pieces of shit these "philo" trolls (a "micky" sock)

Here are just _some_ of the many infantile political trolls of this "philo"
sock, where you'll note he posts to the same threads as the "micky" sock, 
often within seconds...
o <https://i.postimg.cc/cCNm2fFZ/philo01.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/XNwxFDvv/philo02.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/YqR3DGYK/philo03.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/QdMq28JB/philo04.jpg>

Look at the similarity with its "micky" "T" and "Bob F." socks:
o micky <https://i.postimg.cc/4Nyd369x/micky01.jpg>
o T: <https://i.postimg.cc/52nK78Ph/Troll-Named-T.jpg>
o Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>
-- 
I care about this newsgroup by defending against the infantile trolls.

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#72897

Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the best simple note pad app? I have tried one,
> and it has bells & whistles, which irritate. I want one
> that is just a plain sheet I can make notes in, nothing more.

Your smartphone (unidentified) didn't come with a text app, like
QuickMemo+ (that came with my LG V20 a long time ago).  Did you check
the app drawer to see if you already have a text app?

There are note apps that will sync across devices, but your description
excluded such a feature.  Without cloud sync, you'll have to save the
text file to some common storage (e.g., SD card) that you can access via
Bluetooth, wifi, or USB cable to transfer to elsewhere if you want the
text file somewhere other than the smartphone where you created it (if
even to retain a copy should your phone die, get damaged, lost, stolen,
or burned up).

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#72900

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 10:12:50 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> Your smartphone (unidentified) didn't come with a text app, like
> QuickMemo+ (that came with my LG V20 a long time ago).  Did you check
> the app drawer to see if you already have a text app?

Hi Vanguard,

The OP says he wants the simplest text app he can find.
o Just any old app won't work for that requirement, IMHO.

(Trust me, I've tested a lot of 'em, and there are still more to test!)

> There are note apps that will sync across devices, but your description
> excluded such a feature. 

The OP seems to want "simple".
o That's why I suggested Simple Mobile Tools' app, among other simple ones.

If the OP wants _both_ simple & freedom to sync where he wants, I'd suggest
a free open source app with no ads and which is completely Google free...

Something like Joplin, for example, is both FOSS & has sync for example:
o Joplin <https://joplinapp.org/>

Although I will repeat that there are so many note taking apps that we
really must start with a well detailed requirements list to be of any use
to the OP (e.g., must it save to a text format to any desired location?). 

> Without cloud sync, you'll have to save the
> text file to some common storage (e.g., SD card) that you can access via
> Bluetooth, wifi, or USB cable to transfer to elsewhere if you want the
> text file somewhere other than the smartphone where you created it (if
> even to retain a copy should your phone die, get damaged, lost, stolen,
> or burned up).

Transferring any file to/from Android to/from any desktop is trivial, e.g.,
o NitroShare <https://github.com/nitroshare>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.nitroshare.android>

In summary, the OP only asked for "simple" but to help him better, more
requirements must be specified, such as:
a. Sync
b. Save as text
c. Save to any given location
etc.
-- 
Posted to help others, as always, out of the goodness in my heart.

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#72937

Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> What is the best simple note pad app? I have tried one,and it has bells & whistles, which irritate. I want onethat is just a plain sheet I can make notes in, nothing more.

Asking what application is the best
is like asking what meal is the best.
The only one who knows the answer
is the one who is asking.

Search for some, try them and keep the one you like the most. Note
 keepers like many application categories have plenty of reviews
 and top N lists. You may check 2 of them:

https://www.techradar.com/best/best-note-taking-apps-android

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-note-taking-apps-for-android
-205356/

For notes, I use Google Keep and QuickEdit as plain text editor,
but people's priorities differ a lot.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

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#72949

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 14:43:32 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

> Asking what application is the best
> is like asking what meal is the best.
> The only one who knows the answer
> is the one who is asking.

Hi Poutnik,

You _always_ say that. :)
o But I would change what you say, a little bit.

As what you say is not completely correct, in my humble opinion.

Note that I test a _lot_ of software, by the way, which you probably know.
o Where, in the past year alone, I've installed over a thousand apps alone
  <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg> 1600 APKs extracted

That's a full 16 GB of apps which were on my phone in one year alone
o Given I've only had the phone for about a year overall
  <https://i.postimg.cc/cLXyGjTH/apk02.jpg> 16GB of archive storage

If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say YouTube watching...
o I'd have absolutely no problem telling you firmly that it's NewPipe

If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say typical SMS/MMS...
o I'd have almost no problem telling you firmly that it's "Pulse SMS"

If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for oh, say, Truecrypt containers
o I'd have to say EDS Lite as I don't know of any other app that does it

If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say snapping photos...
o I'd have not too much problem telling you it's the Google Cam APK port

If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say audio transcription
o Again, I'd not have much problem saying it's the Google recorder port

However, to your point, if you ask _me_ what's the best app for, oh, say,
note taking, I'd have to say I alone have about fifty of them installed,
and I still don't know, myself, which is the "best" app for any given need.

Notice what I'm trying to explain to you, Poutnik, where I know you have a
Chemistry degree (and I have plenty of science & engineering too), where if
a person can handle facts like we can, we can _certainly_ let them know
what the best app is for a given task... 

But... 

But... 

But... 

The "given task" is the issue here, where "some" apps (like note taking)
are a "given task" that is ambiguous; whereas in the examples above I
purposefully chose apps where the "given task" can be easily assumed.

In summary, you always claim that it's impossible to say which is the
"best" app, and, in theory, I agree with you but in practice I do not. 

> Search for some, try them and keep the one you like the most. Note
>  keepers like many application categories have plenty of reviews
>  and top N lists. You may check 2 of them:
> 
> https://www.techradar.com/best/best-note-taking-apps-android
> https://www.androidauthority.com/best-note-taking-apps-for-android
> -205356/
> 
> For notes, I use Google Keep and QuickEdit as plain text editor,
> but people's priorities differ a lot.

BTW, saying "QuickEdit" only works if that's the only one on Google Play.

Is _this_ the "QuickEdit" you suggest we test out?
o QuickEdit Text Editor Writer & Code Editor, by Rhythm Software, Contains Ads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rhmsoft.edit>

Or this one?
o QuickEdit for XenMobile, by Citrix
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.citrix.worxedit.xenmobile>

Probably not this one as it's Quick Edit(or)?
o Quick Editor, by kakitiro, Contains Ads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kakitiro.quickapps.quickeditor>

But to your point, as I test almost all the suggested software on this
newsgroup, I tested the Rhythm Software "QuickEdit" app and didn't like it
but that's because I have a "free, no ads" requirement for software which
others might not have.

I like that it has an auto-save feature, and its own file browser, and it
can set the CR/LF syntax for text files, and default encoding, etc.; but I
don't like that it's not free without ads, and more importantly for me, it
must save to a specified location on the Android external sdcard.

This bolsters your point that each person has a different idea of what's
"best" for them; but some things are best for everyone (see my examples 
above) or at least are best for "most people" or for the "typical user".

In summary, while you're correct in theory that there is no "best" app, 
in practice, we can "often" find a pretty damn good app, which, if we hone
that with the needs (e.g., simple note taking plus sync) can then at least
eliminate apps that don't have those minimum required features.

Perhaps we should ask for "recommended" apps, instead of best apps?
-- 
Posted out of the goodness of my heart, to discuss adult topics on Usenet.

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#72967

 Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> Wrote in message:
 
> Hi Poutnik,You _always_ say that. :)

:-) And I suppose I will always do, unless somebody makes me to
 change the opinion.

Any debate over it implies we share the general definition of 
 "the best", not limited to software,
otherwise we would talk about different things, talking about the best.

The scope of being the best is as wide as the scope of the shared
 equivalent criteria for it and their evaluation too, leading to
 the same result.

If best applications for given purpose had existed, it would have
 been easily determined which ones, *independently* on opinions
 AND there would have been  no hot debates why those. Like there
 are no hot debates which of 10 m, 20 m, 30 m tall trees is the
 tallest one.

Being best is not an attribute of an object itself, but it is an
 attribute of the subject-object relation. Existence of different
 subjects means different relations to the object, some of them
 having the attribute "being the best for purpose
 X".

> If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say YouTube watching...o I'd have absolutely no problem telling you firmly that it's NewPipe.
 
Yes, but it is your criteria, your evaluation, your best. And of
 those who share it. ( I do for now, but that is coincidence
 )

The same applies to  other examples, not being limited to software.
 
> BTW, saying "QuickEdit" only works if that's the only one on Google Play

Thanks for the correction,I have meant by Rhythm, not being aware
 there are more.
Note that I have written I use it, not that it is best application.

I could write it is best by my opinion and for me for now, because
 I have evaluated so. 
But the scope of this best is limited,
as the criteria and evaluation, including subconscious ones, is
 limited to me and those who share it.
.
>  what's"best" for them; but some things are best for everyone (see my examples above) or at least are best for "most people" or for the "typical user".

This is again your criteria and evaluation, that is valid only in
 their shared scope.
You can more or less successfully predict evaluation of others,
 but you cannot decide it for them. They may or may not share your
 opinion.

"Being best for person Y for purpose X" is an attribute of a
 ternary relation of 2 subjects and 1 object.
Again many possibilities. 5 people can have up to 5 different
 opinions what backpack I should buy for particular purpose. And
 up to 5 other different opinions for other purpose and/or for
 other person.

> Perhaps we should ask for "recommended" apps, instead of best apps?

Exactly.
 In fact, I suppose the majority want to  ask for this, if asking
 for the best.

If you asked in video processing forum forum.doom9.org, what is
 the best application for H264 encoding, DVD authoring or video
 processing, you would get at first warning by moderators,
 
and later at repeated occurrences eventually temporary or
 permanent ban.
As not asking for best ones is prevention of flame wars.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

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#72968

Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> Wrote
 in message:

>> Perhaps we should ask for "recommended" apps, instead of best apps?

> Exactly. In fact, I suppose the majority want to  ask for this, if asking for the best.

P.S.: I guess my prior post could be summarised as

best(1) as the conditional result of subjective comparison
best(2) as the recommended choice, based on best(1).

and that users  ask for best(2).

-- 
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

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#72987

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 10:29:05 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

> :-) And I suppose I will always do, unless somebody makes me to
>  change the opinion.

Hi Poutnik,
We agree that there is no such thing as "the best" app, just as there's no 
such thing as the "best country" or the "best car" or the "best OS", etc.

I only disagree with you on the _finality_ of your assessment, which is 
that you seem to consider the answer to the question to be futile, whereas 
I think there are generally accepted answers which will suffice.

One claim of mine, suggesting a few simple apps, overwhelms in value ten 
thousand of your posts claiming there is no such thing as a best app.
o Even as you're technically correct. 

For example, there's no such thing as "the best government", but I would 
claim that a "democracy" is usually better than a "dictatorship", given the 
basic needs of the people in each (but where some dictatorships, e.g., the 
aforementioned Franco and Tito as per my discussion with Carlos, seem to 
have benefited the people at the time they needed it).

In summary, I think a "recommended app" for a given purpose is not futile.
o Your response seems to me to always be one of utter despair.

I don't share your negative view of "the best app" for a given task.
o That's our main difference, which is in the utility of the suggestions
 
> Any debate over it implies we share the general definition of 
>  "the best", not limited to software,
> otherwise we would talk about different things, talking about the best.

While I agree, there are _clearly_ best in class apps "most" would agree
1. Google Maps
2. NewPipe
3. DiskUsage
4. TrailSense
5. Google Recorder APK port
6. Google Gcam APK port
7. VLC
8. Let's Print Droid
9. Cellular-Z
10. App Manager
11. Termux
12. Nova launcher
etc.

Even if folks do not agree on those "best in class" apps, absolutely none 
of them are bad apps so they're all worth downloading for someone who is 
testing out apps to find the one they like the best.

That's how we differ. 
o I think your responses, while well meant, are utterly useless

Worse than your responses being utterly useless, they're actually 
detrimental to the cause of finding a good app.

I'd rather see you ask for what the requirements are, before you say there 
are no best in class apps; and I'd rather you suggest a few apps which are 
best in class, than you claiming that there is no such thing.

Sure, the other person may not agree with you, as, for example, I don't 
particularly like the privacy implications of "Here Maps" as you seem to 
think it's a great app (and yes, I know, you have a friend there somehow).

But Here Maps is not a bad map app, so it's fine that you recommend it.
o Which is my point.

My point is simple:
a. It's better to recommend an app that fits the OP's request
b. Than to tell the OP to go fuck himself and look it up all by himself

For example, I suggested the OP use "Simple Mobile Tools'" note app.
o Given the OP's only requirement be that the app is simple.

In my humble opinion, while you're completely correct there is no best app, 
my advice to the OP was worth ten thousand of your repeated posts claiming 
there is no such thing.

It just is.
o Ten thousand of your repeated claims are ten thousand worthless posts

One claim of mine, suggesting a few simple apps, overwhelms in value ten 
thousand of your posts claiming there is no such thing as a best app.
o Even as you're technically correct. 

> The scope of being the best is as wide as the scope of the shared
>  equivalent criteria for it and their evaluation too, leading to
>  the same result.

While you're technically correct, to claim there is no answer to the OP's 
question is worthless, even if you claim it ten thousand times or more.

One single post pointing the OP to a note taking app that is "simple" 
(which was the OP's only stated requirement, as I recall) is worth more 
than ten thousand of your repeated posts claiming there is no answer to the 
question.

Even as you are technically correct.

> If best applications for given purpose had existed, it would have
>  been easily determined which ones, *independently* on opinions
>  AND there would have been  no hot debates why those. Like there
>  are no hot debates which of 10 m, 20 m, 30 m tall trees is the
>  tallest one.

Well, I listed a dozen apps offhand, and I can likely list a score more 
that would be pretty close to "best in class" where there wouldn't be much 
of a debate, don't you agree?

I have apps like "Create Shortcut" and "Pulse SMS" and "App Drawer" and 
"EDS lite" and "Keepass2Android" and "Button Mapper" and "NitroShare" and 
"KDE Connect" and "Wigle WiFI" and "OSMAnd~" and "Stellarium", etc. on my 
system (I just took a quick look and all of those are damn good apps).

Sure, for any one app category I might have a few of the "best in class" 
apps, e.g., in my StarMaps section of my MAP folder, I have:
o Stellarium
o Star Chart
o Sky Map
o Constellations
o Planisphere

Where almost any of them could qualify as a recommended app, depending on 
any particulars the OP might want to add to hone down the list. 

If you asked me what's the best, I'd say "Stellarium"; but if you then said 
you wanted to see just the constellations individually, I'd say 
"Constellations"; but if you had asked to see the entire sky in one view, 
I'd suggest "Planisphere"; but if you asked for a simplified view of the 
sky with constellations more obvious than stars I'd suggest "Sky Map"; and 
if you had asked for distances to the stars I'd suggest "Star Chart", etc.

Here's how a conversation with an OP would go with your attitude:
Q: Which is the best star chart for looking at the sky?
A: There isn't any.

Here's how a conversation with an OP would go with my attitude:
Q: Which is the best star chart for looking at the sky?
A: I'd suggest either "Stellarium" or "Star Chart" for starters.

While your answer is technically correct, it's utterly useless to the OP.
o While mine is technically incorrect, it at least provides utility.

Which is my point.

> Being best is not an attribute of an object itself, but it is an
>  attribute of the subject-object relation. Existence of different
>  subjects means different relations to the object, some of them
>  having the attribute "being the best for purpose
>  X".

See above.
a. Your answer is worthless; yet I agree it's technically correct.
b. My answer is useful; even as I agree it's technically incorrect.
> 
>> If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say YouTube watching...
>> o I'd have absolutely no problem telling you firmly that it's NewPipe.
>  
> Yes, but it is your criteria, your evaluation, your best. And of
>  those who share it. ( I do for now, but that is coincidence
>  )
> The same applies to  other examples, not being limited to software.

I disagree with you completely and fully in that you likely can't name a 
single feature of the YouTube app which is better than that of NewPipe.

And even so, NewPipe is damn good by all accounts I've ever seen.
o Have you _ever_ seen a bad review of NewPipe?

I haven't.

The point is that this is a conversation with an OP from you:
Q: What's the best youtube app replacement?
A: There isn't any.

The point is that this is a conversation with an OP from me:
Q: What's the best youtube app replacement?
A: Try NewPipe.

>> BTW, saying "QuickEdit" only works if that's the only one on Google Play
> 
> Thanks for the correction,I have meant by Rhythm, not being aware
>  there are more.

On Android, there are _always_ more. :)

> Note that I have written I use it, not that it is best application.

To the point of the best note taking app, you'll note I have something like 
fifty of them installed myself, and I still don't know which is the best.

In a way, they all suck.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/htxGtgZp/notepad01.jpg> 

> I could write it is best by my opinion and for me for now, because
>  I have evaluated so. 
> But the scope of this best is limited,
> as the criteria and evaluation, including subconscious ones, is
>  limited to me and those who share it.

Again, I repeat you are technically correct.
o But being technically correct is worthless to any given OP.

Here's what you said, essentially, to the OP's question:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note-taking app?
A: There aren't any; look it up.

Here's what I said, essentially, to the OP's question:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note-taking app?
A: Try SimpleMobileTools' note taking app (which is designed to be simple).

My point of view is that you telling a thousand OP's that there is no such 
thing as a "best app" is technically correct a thousand times, but it's 
also worthless a thousand times.

Me or Carlos or Vanguard, et al., suggesting just _one_ simple note taking 
app is worth a thousand of your (technically correct) claims that none 
exist.

And that's my point.
o It's not whether you're correct or not - it's whether you're useful.

I try to be useful to most OP's
o (except to trolls - whom I try to get them to go away).

>>  what's"best" for them; but some things are best for everyone 
>> (see my examples above) or at least are best for "most people" 
>> or for the "typical user".
> 
> This is again your criteria and evaluation, that is valid only in
>  their shared scope.
> You can more or less successfully predict evaluation of others,
>  but you cannot decide it for them. They may or may not share your
>  opinion.

To my main point, I'm trying to be useful more so than technically correct.

You're technically correct in this dialog which you always do:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note taking app?
A: They don't exist.

I'm technically incorrect, but useful, when the dialog goes this way:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note taking app?
A: Try SimpleMobileTools' note taking app <http://simplemobiletools.com>
 
> "Being best for person Y for purpose X" is an attribute of a
>  ternary relation of 2 subjects and 1 object.
> Again many possibilities. 5 people can have up to 5 different
>  opinions what backpack I should buy for particular purpose. And
>  up to 5 other different opinions for other purpose and/or for
>  other person.

See above.
a. You're technically correct; but that is useless to the OP.
b. I'm technically incorrect; but I'm trying to be useful to the OP.

Is it better to be technically correct or useful to the OP?
o Your choice.

>> Perhaps we should ask for "recommended" apps, instead of best apps?
> 
> Exactly.
>  In fact, I suppose the majority want to  ask for this, if asking
>  for the best.

Here we fully agree, but most OP's don't put much effort into a post.
o We're kind'a stuck with lazy OP's, whether we like it or not.

We can try to wheedle out of the OP's (like I did with philo today) one by 
one to get them to lift a finger to _try_ what we suggest (philo still 
hasnt' been able to tell us the unique name of QuickMemo+ but he finally 
did extract it - but it took a _Lot_ of prodding on my part to get him to 
do so).

You and I are extremely well educated and extremely technically competent, 
even as we aren't formally educated in Android (at least I'm not).

But we're intelligent people, capable of handing things like, oh, say, 
Biochemistry and Organic Chemistry, where testing note taking apps pales in 
comparison in terms of comprehensive skills to a single summary page at the 
end of each chapter of Morrison and Boyd, for example.

Between you and me, almost everyone save for a handful on Usenet seem to be 
dumber than a rock, if you ask me, in terms of their ability to comprehend 
even the simplest of the most basic of technical things.

And yet, some of them, like you, are far better at it than I am, where I 
assess my intelligence at about at least normal ranges (having studied and 
worked aside truly intelligent people in Ivy League schools and in Silicon 
Valley startups).

But most people on this newsgroup, and certainly on the child-like Apple 
newsgroups, appear to be as dumb as stones in a stream, if you ask me.

Such is life on Usenet.
 
> If you asked in video processing forum forum.doom9.org, what is
>  the best application for H264 encoding, DVD authoring or video
>  processing, you would get at first warning by moderators, 
> and later at repeated occurrences eventually temporary or
>  permanent ban.
> As not asking for best ones is prevention of flame wars.

Again, you're 100% technically correct, as I've been to videohelp many 
times seeking a good audio editor (audacity) or a good video editor 
(shotcut), or a good feature-rich video player (vlc) or a good fast video 
player (MPC-BE) or a good reliable dvd burner (imgburn), or a good set of 
codecs (Klite codec packs) or a good video converter (handbrake) or a good 
video downloader (youtube-dl.exe), or a good codec identifier (g-spot), 
etc.

Note the difference between your likely answer and my likely answer:
Q: What's a good audio editor (audacity)
Q: What's a good video editor (shotcut)
Q: What's a good feature-rich video player (vlc)
Q: What's a good fast video player (MPC-BE) 
Q: What's a good reliable dvd burner (imgburn)
Q: What's a good set of codecs (Klite codec packs) 
Q: What's a good video converter (handbrake) 
Q: What's a good video downloader (youtube-dl.exe)
Q: What's a good codec identifier (g-spot)
etc.

Sure, you're technically correct answering all with your answer:
A: There isn't any.

But my answer at least provides "some" utility to the person asking
o And, better yet, none of my answers above would be bad answers.
-- 
Posted out of the goodness in my heart, to help others solve issues.

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#73089

Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> Wrote in message:

> ......

Arlen,

as you have read the very beginning and the very end of the post,
 and also the short P.S. post, 
you know that all depends on the intended or implied meaning of best.

If the OP means best=recommendation, it is OK. 
If the OP means best=comparative pseudoobjective evaluation, it is
 not so OK.

The same for the readers.
Asking for best is understood by some people reasonably and they
 provide their recommendations ( as I did as well
 ).
But some people are willing to argument for long hours, if the
 best is A or B or C.

Part of answering is teaching asking proper questions.
The good example are the site policies of many StackExchange Q/A sites
where many questions are rejected
until they are improved.
If a child asks how many wolves live in a herd, a parent corrects
 the child wolves live in packs. 
If an OP asks for a recommended app, it is clear what it means.

Be careful when making statements using always or never, as such a
 statement is frequently false.
( Note that I have not said always ).

Using good instead of best was kind of unfair,
as a subjective list of "good applications" is semantically very
 closed to a list of "recommended applications".

Saying that, a question "What is a good  application for purpose
 X" is very OK with me
 and I would provide several, if I was familiar with them 

----

BTW, even if all people on the Earth had said NewPipe is the best
 YT client for viewing YT videos ( without mentioning this
 purpose, Google would say it is not good for their business
 model, so not the best), then it is still not a property of the
 application, but of the relation of people to it.

One can also say the best client for watching YT videos is VLC or
 other player, using NP just as a downloader. :-).
This I do.

It would have to be specified as an online viewer category.
Then I would consider NP as the best online YT viewer.

BTW, Happy New Year 2021.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

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#73096

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 21:37:14 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

> all depends on the intended or implied meaning of best.

Hi Poutnik,

I agree.
o I never disagree with a sensible logical argument.
 
> If the OP means best=recommendation, it is OK. 
> If the OP means best=comparative pseudoobjective evaluation, it is
>  not so OK.

OK. I won't disagree with any logical viewpoint.
o All we really know is that the OP only asked for _simple_.

That's why my first suggestion was the note pad from Simple Mobile Tools:
o <https://www.simplemobiletools.com/>

> The same for the readers.
> Asking for best is understood by some people reasonably and they
>  provide their recommendations ( as I did as well
>  ).
> But some people are willing to argument for long hours, if the
>  best is A or B or C.

Understood.

That's why I gave the OP the URL, as always, to be purposefully helpful:
o <https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-Notes>

> Part of answering is teaching asking proper questions.

Hmmmm... you and I are very well educated...
o IMHO, most people who post to Usenet are not.

Just look at the subject line, for example...
o Where mine, for example, are more like that of a peer-reviewed paper

But this subject line is just "Note pad", and that's it.
o You can't make a rock intelligent. 

> The good example are the site policies of many StackExchange Q/A sites
> where many questions are rejected until they are improved.

Well, we "could" implement that policy here on c.m.a, but it would be work.
o As I said, most people who post have far less education than we do.

Worse, most appear to be rather stupid, if you ask me.
o That's two strikes, where the third is that they're rather lazy.

So that's three strikes... where I think there's no way to fix them.  
o Sadly to say.

> If a child asks how many wolves live in a herd, a parent corrects
>  the child wolves live in packs. 
> If an OP asks for a recommended app, it is clear what it means.

What do you think of how I posed my query for file explorers recently?
o Survey of free ad free Android file explorer apps you use & why you like them
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SSOowSdK-8g>

I listed in the title the key requirements
o In the body, I listed over a score of useful functions, in priority order

Is _that_ how you'd suggest an _intelligent_ well-educated person would ask
the question?

> Be careful when making statements using always or never, as such a
>  statement is frequently false. ( Note that I have not said always ).

Yes. But. 
o Usenet is informal. 

IMHO, when we're informally speaking, we can get away with always & never.

If you and I were writing a legal contract, then we couldn't use those
words if they weren't explicitly correctly used, but this isn't a contract,
nor would it be readable by the other people on this ng if it were written
that way.

Likewise, Usenet isn't Morrison & Boyd such that our casual conversation
here doesn't have the accuracy of Lehninger's Principles of Biochemistry.

If we wrote everything like a textbook, you and I, who are well educated,
would understand everything, but we'd leave everyone else in the dust.

> Using good instead of best was kind of unfair,
> as a subjective list of "good applications" is semantically very
>  closed to a list of "recommended applications".

I agree, e.g., this is a thread of mine from a while ago:
o What's a good free desktop screen recorder? 
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/PmJ0dn3gots/>

I gave the handful of specific requirements in the body of the request.
o Which is pretty much how I structure a question on Usenet, such as...

o What free login free ad free local traffic apps & web shortcuts are in your homescreen navigation folder
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Dfy3UZL7JHI>

The key requirements are placed in the subject line.
o And more detailed requirements are often described further in the body.

> Saying that, a question "What is a good  application for purpose
>  X" is very OK with me
>  and I would provide several, if I was familiar with them

What do you think of the title of this thread, opened a month or so ago?
o Recommended decent freeware PDF viewer / reader for Android devices?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/2vxhkQ_SgOc> 

> 
> BTW, even if all people on the Earth had said NewPipe is the best
>  YT client for viewing YT videos ( without mentioning this
>  purpose, Google would say it is not good for their business
>  model, so not the best), then it is still not a property of the
>  application, but of the relation of people to it.

Um... er... ok.
o As any logical sensible person would, I don't disagree with logic.

Given we're both highly educated & intelligent, we both must recognize
there are always _plenty_ of ways to get the job done, e.g., if all we
wanted was the "audio" from a YouTube, we could do this (which I wrote):
o Tutorial using Audacity 2.4.2 to record Windows web browser streaming audio to MP3
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/-2_a3415BUQ/>

> One can also say the best client for watching YT videos is VLC or
>  other player, using NP just as a downloader. :-).
> This I do.

I agree with you that downloading a YouTube video also works fine.
o I do it all the time.

I have a thread for how to _easily_ download YouTube to watch on VLC:
o Quick tutorial for yet another easy method to download youtube video using Windows freeware (Secure browser & YouTube-dl.exe & NewPipe)
  <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/OXj3JqyTfh8>

The one thing I will _not_ do though, is suffer advertisements.
o Almost no app stays on my system if it hands me even a single ad.

o Unfortunately, on iOS, you're kind of stuck with advertisements: Searching/Viewing/Subscribing/Downloading/Stripping/etc. YouTube on iOS using a single free YouTube-like non-browser app with less intrusive advertisements
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/S0AJhAOKr3g/>

WHich is one (of many) pieces of evidence that iOS is a toy OS.
o IMHO

> It would have to be specified as an online viewer category.
> Then I would consider NP as the best online YT viewer.

Once the YouTube video is downloaded, there are plenty of ways to play it
but sometimes I have to modify it, e.g., rotate it 90 degrees, where, as
you might expect, I've written a tutorial for that too: 
o Tutorial to rotate an entire cellphone video 90 degrees in Shotcut freeware
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/rEZ07Z75cU0/>
-- 
The advantage of Usenet is we get different ideas from everyone.

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#73150

 Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> Wrote in message:

To summarize my opinion of your thread subjects:

Even if we often disagree with our personal criteria for app
 requirements, what is OK and natural,
I think your subjects are formulated very well.

Ability of asking good questions is as much important as ability
 to write good answers.

The important part of it is the title/subject formulation.
In the StackExchange context, I often write a comment like

 "Avoid titles saying everything and titles saying nothing."

or

"Question titles are like book titles. They distinguish questions
 from other questions, give hint about the content, but do not say
 the full story."

-- 
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

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#72938

On Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:34:20 +0000, Dieter Britz wrote:

> What is the best simple note pad app? I have tried one,
> and it has bells & whistles, which irritate. I want one that is just a
> plain sheet I can make notes in, nothing more.

Thank you all for your answers. I ended up installing Quick Notes
and so far it seems fine.

-- 
Dieter Britz

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