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  Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 19:54 -0800
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 04:32 +0000
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2021-01-05 18:55 +1300
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 14:02 +0000
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:07 -0800
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:30 +0000
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Dee <d@d.d> - 2021-01-05 12:12 +0000
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 14:03 +0000
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:16 -0800
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:30 +0000
          Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:45 -0800
            Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:51 +0000
              Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:52 -0800
                Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:58 +0000
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-05 12:35 -0600
          Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-05 13:46 -0500
          Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 15:28 -0800
            Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 23:59 +0000
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-05 09:35 -0600
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:44 -0800
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:48 +0000
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-05 10:54 -0800
          Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 15:40 -0800
            Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 23:59 +0000
            Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-05 19:09 -0500
              Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 16:39 -0800
                Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-05 16:41 -0800
                  Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 19:11 -0800
                    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-06 09:27 -0800
                      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-06 10:17 -0800
                        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 20:25 -0800
                          Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-07 11:54 -0800
                            Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 14:59 -0800
                Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-06 02:22 +0000
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-05 08:37 -0800
      Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 19:30 -0800
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-06 14:13 +0000
        Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-06 14:14 +0000
    Re: Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-05-25 08:35 -0700

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#73038 — Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on during sleep

Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a few 
texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.

Are there settings I haven't found.

I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera, play 
store, maps...

Also wondering why my power usage skyrockets if I enable "ultra power 
savings" mode.


Galaxy S5
android 6.0.1
Verizon through PagePlus

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#73039

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:54:17 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> his phone for calls

Adults on this newsgroup should be aware that Bob F. is a troll.
o Any time spent on this thread would be a waste of your time.

Don't believe me?
o Look here at Bob F's infantile political posts to a REPAIR ng:
  <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>

We've asked him to stop trolling to which he told us to fuck off.
o He claims he has a right to troll.

Be forewarned.
o This Bob F. often posts in tandem with its "micky" & "T" socks:
  micky <https://i.postimg.cc/4Nyd369x/micky01.jpg>
  T: <https://i.postimg.cc/52nK78Ph/Troll-Named-T.jpg>
  Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>
-- 
Posted out of the goodness of my heart because I care about this ng.

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#73041

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:54:17 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on

> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a few 
> texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
> 
> Are there settings I haven't found.
> 
> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera, play 
> store, maps...
> 
> 
> Galaxy S5
> android 6.0.1
> Verizon through PagePlus


My first guess would be that your device's Location Services is set 
to use WiFi scanning, among other things, to determine your location.  
When WiFi is turned off and Location Services wants to find your 
location, Location Services will temporarily turn on WiFi and scan 
for nearby WiFi hotspots to help determine your location.

To adjust the settings for your device's Location Services, see the
Samsung support page at 
<https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/how-do-i-switch-on-my-location-and-change-my-location-settings/>,
then expand and read the section "Setting location accuracy".

Also see the Samsung support page at 
<https://www.samsung.com/ca/support/mobile-devices/galaxy-s5-neo-what-location-settings-gps-are-available-on-my-samsung-galaxy-s5-neo/>



-- 
Kind regards
Ralph
🦊 

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#73045

On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 18:55:15 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

> ning, among other things,

Jesus Christ, why are these trolls infesting the Android newsgroup now?
o This "Ralph Fox" is a notorious infantile troll of the REPAIR newsgroups.

What I call the "highwinds" puppet master is throwing its socks at us.

Adults note its modus operandi is:
a. They post fabricated "issues" spending no effort whatsoever
b. (e.g., did you see the crap its "philo" sock threw at us yesterday?)
c. They spend _zero_ effort backing up their fabrications
d. They often post back with their sock puppets (e.g., this "Ralph Fox")
   (who, by the way, is also known as "Fox's Mercantile", another troll)
e. Often, as we saw with its "philo" sock, they add imaginary hurdles
f. All so that they can earn a seat at the table.

Once they're at the table they inundate the ng with infantile politics.
o Just watch.
-- 
Adults, please note: This Ralph Fox is a notorious troll of the REPAIR ngs.

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#73058

On 1/4/2021 9:55 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:54:17 -0800, Bob F wrote:
> 
>> Galaxy s5 uses 15% battery on WiFi with Wifi turned off and never on
> 
>> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a few
>> texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
>>
>> Are there settings I haven't found.
>>
>> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera, play
>> store, maps...
>>
>>
>> Galaxy S5
>> android 6.0.1
>> Verizon through PagePlus
> 
> 
> My first guess would be that your device's Location Services is set
> to use WiFi scanning, among other things, to determine your location.
> When WiFi is turned off and Location Services wants to find your
> location, Location Services will temporarily turn on WiFi and scan
> for nearby WiFi hotspots to help determine your location.

Location Services are off unless I am using google maps, which is almost 
never these days.

I see that "Recent location requests" come from google play services.

> 
> To adjust the settings for your device's Location Services, see the
> Samsung support page at
> <https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/how-do-i-switch-on-my-location-and-change-my-location-settings/>,
> then expand and read the section "Setting location accuracy".
> 
> Also see the Samsung support page at
> <https://www.samsung.com/ca/support/mobile-devices/galaxy-s5-neo-what-location-settings-gps-are-available-on-my-samsung-galaxy-s5-neo/>
> 
> 
> 

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#73063

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:07:18 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> are off unless I am using google

This Bob F is a troll... (and this entire thread, is a troll), IMHO.

Don't believe me on Bob F being a troll?

These are his infantile political posts to a group that is not political.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg> Bob F infantile posts

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#73044

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in
news:rt0ntb$gpl$1@dont-email.me: 

> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a
> few texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
> 
> Are there settings I haven't found.
> 
> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera,
> play store, maps...
> 
> Also wondering why my power usage skyrockets if I enable "ultra
> power savings" mode.
> 
> 
> Galaxy S5
> android 6.0.1
> Verizon through PagePlus

How old is the battery? The older the battery, the quicker it will 
drain. 

Dee

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#73046

On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 12:12:51 GMT, Dee wrote:

> older the battery, the qui

Sock after sock after sock after sock... 

This is exactly how it ruined the a.h.r newsgroup.

Same socks in fact.

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#73059

On 1/5/2021 4:12 AM, Dee wrote:
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:rt0ntb$gpl$1@dont-email.me:
> 
>> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a
>> few texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
>>
>> Are there settings I haven't found.
>>
>> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera,
>> play store, maps...
>>
>> Also wondering why my power usage skyrockets if I enable "ultra
>> power savings" mode.
>>
>>
>> Galaxy S5
>> android 6.0.1
>> Verizon through PagePlus
> 
> How old is the battery? The older the battery, the quicker it will
> drain.
> 
> Dee
> 

I bought the battery a year or 2 ago.

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#73064

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:16:14 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> ery a year or 2 a

Go away troll...
o Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>

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#73068

On 1/5/2021 9:30 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:16:14 -0800, Bob F wrote:
> 
>> ery a year or 2 a
> 
> Go away troll...
> o Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>
> 

Pot, kettle, black.

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#73070

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:45:34 -0800, Bob F wrote:

>> Go away troll...
>> o Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>
>> 
> 
> Pot, kettle, black.

These infantile trolls always fail the simplest test of bullshitters.
o *Name just one*

I was _waiting_ for that response, you infantile troll.
o All bullshitters fail the simple basic "name just one" test.

Here's the proof you're an infantile bullshitting troll, "Bob F."

Point to a _single_ thread of mine, in the last year, to this newsgroup,
that you can consider a troll, Bob F. 

*Name just one*

Here's _another_ test of your bullshitting trolling, Bob F.
o Name just one _tutorial_ you've posted to this ng in the past year.

*Name just one*

Here's another test of your bullshitting, Bob F.
o Name a _single_ thread of value from you to this ng in the last year.

*Name just one*
-- 
These infantile trolls always fail the simplest test of bullshitters.

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#73071

On 1/5/2021 9:51 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:45:34 -0800, Bob F wrote:
> 
>>> Go away troll...
>>> o Bob F <https://i.postimg.cc/wvff63gX/bobf01.jpg>
>>>
>>
>> Pot, kettle, black.
> 
> These infantile trolls always fail the simplest test of bullshitters.
> o *Name just one*
> 
> I was _waiting_ for that response, you infantile troll.
> o All bullshitters fail the simple basic "name just one" test.
> 
> Here's the proof you're an infantile bullshitting troll, "Bob F."
> 
> Point to a _single_ thread of mine, in the last year, to this newsgroup,
> that you can consider a troll, Bob F.
> 
> *Name just one*
> 
> Here's _another_ test of your bullshitting trolling, Bob F.
> o Name just one _tutorial_ you've posted to this ng in the past year.
> 
> *Name just one*
> 
> Here's another test of your bullshitting, Bob F.
> o Name a _single_ thread of value from you to this ng in the last year.
> 
> *Name just one*
> 

You do nothing but troll in A.H.R.

Enough said, troll.

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#73073

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:52:59 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> You do nothing but troll in A.H.R.
> 
> Enough said, troll.

To the _adults_ on this newsgroup, notice this "Bob F." troll's response.

I asked it to name just one tutorial it wrote to c.m.a, in the past year
o And it couldn't name even one.

I asked it to name just one thread of value to c.m.a in the past year
o And it couldn't even name one.

I asked it to point to a single thread of mine it considers a troll in c.m.a.
o And it couldn't even name one.

My point about these worthless pieces of shit (e.g., "T", "philo", "micky",
"Bob F." (by the way, they _often_ post to the _same_ trolls, often within
mere seconds, congratulating their socks on their successful trolling.

When we politely asked them to stop trolling, they told us to fuck off.
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/ZqfJDrckXlQ> 1st request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/OqmfDmv-rEE> 2nd request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/TImHM2egkaY> 3rd request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/XphN4AkKzFA> 4th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/aPnh6Okku8k> 5th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/vO2WvHzFIVU> 6th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/uP5dZ6Nkbzo> 7th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/ZqfJDrckXlQ> 8th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/XphN4AkKzFA> 9th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/aPnh6Okku8k> 10th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/vO2WvHzFIVU> 11th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/uP5dZ6Nkbzo> 12th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/mvt8sFNsL4A> 13th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/s-wHIpd1Y_A> 14th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/y7kHl6T1ou8> 15th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/owzGhUTzVy8> 16th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/biJijnd396U> 17th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/jBbcZbz1QAc> 18th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/1GseU5suCrU> 19th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/CAqIPuUurCM> 20th request
o <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/oYI2T7K7vzc> 21st request


Why does it matter that I point out that this entire thread is a troll?
o Because good hearted helpful people are _wasting_ their time on it.

Just as the hours I spent yesterday trying to help "philo" was wasted
o I couldn't understand why he kept throwing up hurdles after hurdles

It was just toying with us.
o Which is what this entire thread is.

It's a troll, toying with us.
o And every moment we spend on it is time not spent helping real people.
-- 
The effort we waste on these infantile trolls is not spent helping others.

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#73076

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dee wrote:
> 
>> How old is the battery? The older the battery, the quicker it will
>> drain.
> 
> I bought the battery a year or 2 ago.

I've not found a smartphone whose battery does not gas when left plugged
in all the time.  The internal charger is supposed to stop charging, but
it continually tops off which will heat the battery which makes it gas.  

Is the battery removable (by just popping off the back cover, and not by
disassembly)?  If so, take a look at the battery.  Does it look pregnant
(bulging)?

In every smartphone that I've had, I leave it connected to the charger
(USB port) when it's at home on my desk.  In about a year, or a little
more, I'll find the battery is bulging, and have to replace it to get
the back cover back on.  For me, the cost ($7-10) is okay per year to
let me have an always charged battery ready when I take the phone away
from home.  In fact, I get smartphones with replaceable batteries so I
can carry a spare to swap in when the current one is too low.  Much
easier to tote a spare battery inside a small ziplock bag (almost the
same size as the battery) in my fob pocket than that haul around a power
bank (which I do take on trips because it's about 5 times the capacity
of a single battery).  My first clue to the battery becomed aged (not by
years, but due to gassing which is electrolyte degradation) is the
uptime diminishes.  The phone, once removed from the charger, has
shorter and shorter on-power running time.  When it gets to about half a
day, I check the battery, see it bulging, and put in a spare that I
already pre-purchased just for this scenario.  When I replace the
battery, I buy another spare.  I think I have 2 spares right now, plus
the one in the phone.

My aunt just asked me to repair her old Samsung Galaxy Core Prime phone.
She leaves that one plugged in all the time with a wifi connect to
webcam for her house.  The battery bulged so much that the innards got
disconnected to the case.  I don't see a means of repairing the phone
since it won't snap back together (after putting in a new battery).  The
bulging battery was about twice its thickness and spongy due to the
gassing, and destroyed the phone.  Hers took around 3 years before the
battery so bulged to damage the phone that she asked me to fix the
split-apart phone.  The battery still worked, but its bulging destroyed
the phone.  All lithiums outgas.  You can only reduce it, not eliminate
it.  For typical use where the phone is on the charger for just
overnight and then off the charger during the day, the battery loses the
ability to charge (wanes in capacity) before users notice the bulging.

Sorry, don't know if the permanently-sealed batteries and the charger
inside the sealed phones are any better.  I won't be getting one of
those until they are no longer available with user-replaceable
batteries.  While the lithium battery has its own over-voltage
protection, overly low-voltage disable, and perhaps other safety
features, consumer-grade lithiums do not have an outgassing detector.
Offgassing occurs due to breakdown of the electrolyte.  Batteries, by
their definition, are degenerative power source.  Being chemical means
they degrade.

With average ownership of smartphone being 2 years (yeah, consumers are
that well trained in the newer-is-better mantra, and many are leased
instead of bought outright), the manufacturers figure they don't need
the batteries to last much longer than that, or even more than about a
month beyond the warranty.  The sealed phones can often be dismantled to
replace the battery, but you'll damage the water-resistant seal and have
to unsolder the old and solder in the new battery.

From a glance at the specs for your phone, looks like you're lucky in
that its battery is replaceable.  3 years is about the average lifespan,
so you're getting due for a new battery.  Also, if saying you bought a
new battery a year, or two, ago means that's not when you bought the
phone but separately purchased a battery, be aware there are counterfeit
batteries out there.  You want to make sure you get a genuine Samsung
replacement battery, and never used, too.  The counterfeits are made to
look almost identical to the genuine batteries.  For me, while there are
other-brand batteries, so they are selling under their name and not
Samsung's, I still lump these "compatibles" with counterfeits.  They
rely on consumers thinking "a battery is a battery".  Nope, different
brands have different electrolyte formulations, built-in logic, and
other features.  Make sure it says Samsung.  Then check the quality of
the shine of the labels.  Check if the printing is sharp or fuzzy.
Pricing is sometimes a good indicator, too, but I've seen compatibles
selling for higher than what a genuine can be bought.

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#73078

In article <xsa3y203iwqf$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> In every smartphone that I've had, I leave it connected to the charger
> (USB port) when it's at home on my desk.  In about a year, or a little
> more, I'll find the battery is bulging, and have to replace it to get
> the back cover back on. 

you must be buying low quality phones with low quality batteries, or
have incredibly bad luck.

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#73092

On 1/5/2021 10:35 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dee wrote:
>>
>>> How old is the battery? The older the battery, the quicker it will
>>> drain.
>>
>> I bought the battery a year or 2 ago.
> 
> I've not found a smartphone whose battery does not gas when left plugged
> in all the time.  The internal charger is supposed to stop charging, but
> it continually tops off which will heat the battery which makes it gas.

I try to keep it in the range of 30-85% charge. When I see it below 40, 
I charge it back up to the 80's. I have the charger on a 1 hour 
mechanical bath fan timer, and can usually guess the needed time within 
a few %. I cycle it to full charge maybe once a month.

> 
> Is the battery removable (by just popping off the back cover, and not by
> disassembly)?  If so, take a look at the battery.  Does it look pregnant
> (bulging)?

Replaceable battery was my top requirement when I bought the phone used. 
The S5 and the V20 were my 2 top choices.

> 
> In every smartphone that I've had, I leave it connected to the charger
> (USB port) when it's at home on my desk.  In about a year, or a little
> more, I'll find the battery is bulging, and have to replace it to get
> the back cover back on.  For me, the cost ($7-10) is okay per year to
> let me have an always charged battery ready when I take the phone away
> from home.  In fact, I get smartphones with replaceable batteries so I
> can carry a spare to swap in when the current one is too low.  Much
> easier to tote a spare battery inside a small ziplock bag (almost the
> same size as the battery) in my fob pocket than that haul around a power
> bank (which I do take on trips because it's about 5 times the capacity
> of a single battery).  My first clue to the battery becomed aged (not by
> years, but due to gassing which is electrolyte degradation) is the
> uptime diminishes.  The phone, once removed from the charger, has
> shorter and shorter on-power running time.  When it gets to about half a
> day, I check the battery, see it bulging, and put in a spare that I
> already pre-purchased just for this scenario.  When I replace the
> battery, I buy another spare.  I think I have 2 spares right now, plus
> the one in the phone.

I do have a spare too, but have not used it except for quick tests.

> 
> My aunt just asked me to repair her old Samsung Galaxy Core Prime phone.
> She leaves that one plugged in all the time with a wifi connect to
> webcam for her house.  The battery bulged so much that the innards got
> disconnected to the case.  I don't see a means of repairing the phone
> since it won't snap back together (after putting in a new battery).  The
> bulging battery was about twice its thickness and spongy due to the
> gassing, and destroyed the phone.  Hers took around 3 years before the
> battery so bulged to damage the phone that she asked me to fix the
> split-apart phone.  The battery still worked, but its bulging destroyed
> the phone.  All lithiums outgas.  You can only reduce it, not eliminate
> it.  For typical use where the phone is on the charger for just
> overnight and then off the charger during the day, the battery loses the
> ability to charge (wanes in capacity) before users notice the bulging.
> 
> Sorry, don't know if the permanently-sealed batteries and the charger
> inside the sealed phones are any better.  I won't be getting one of
> those until they are no longer available with user-replaceable
> batteries.  While the lithium battery has its own over-voltage
> protection, overly low-voltage disable, and perhaps other safety
> features, consumer-grade lithiums do not have an outgassing detector.
> Offgassing occurs due to breakdown of the electrolyte.  Batteries, by
> their definition, are degenerative power source.  Being chemical means
> they degrade.
> 
> With average ownership of smartphone being 2 years (yeah, consumers are
> that well trained in the newer-is-better mantra, and many are leased
> instead of bought outright), the manufacturers figure they don't need
> the batteries to last much longer than that, or even more than about a
> month beyond the warranty.  The sealed phones can often be dismantled to
> replace the battery, but you'll damage the water-resistant seal and have
> to unsolder the old and solder in the new battery.
> 
>  From a glance at the specs for your phone, looks like you're lucky in
> that its battery is replaceable.  3 years is about the average lifespan,
> so you're getting due for a new battery.  Also, if saying you bought a
> new battery a year, or two, ago means that's not when you bought the
> phone but separately purchased a battery, be aware there are counterfeit
> batteries out there.  You want to make sure you get a genuine Samsung
> replacement battery, and never used, too.  The counterfeits are made to
> look almost identical to the genuine batteries.  For me, while there are
> other-brand batteries, so they are selling under their name and not
> Samsung's, I still lump these "compatibles" with counterfeits.  They
> rely on consumers thinking "a battery is a battery".  Nope, different
> brands have different electrolyte formulations, built-in logic, and
> other features.  Make sure it says Samsung.  Then check the quality of
> the shine of the labels.  Check if the printing is sharp or fuzzy.
> Pricing is sometimes a good indicator, too, but I've seen compatibles
> selling for higher than what a genuine can be bought.
> 

My batteries say Samsung, but even at the time I researched them, I 
found plenty of reports of fake Samsung batteries, and reports that 
Samsung no longer made them for that phone, that the only real ones 
would be years old.

The battery I've been using has seemed fine, if I can keep things I do 
not need on the phone from powering up and eating the battery charge.

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#73097

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 15:28:53 -0800, Bob F wrote:

> my top requirem

Go away troll.

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#73051

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a few 
> texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
> 
> Are there settings I haven't found.
> 
> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera, play 
> store, maps...
> 
> Also wondering why my power usage skyrockets if I enable "ultra power 
> savings" mode.
> 
> Galaxy S5
> android 6.0.1
> Verizon through PagePlus

How are you determining the 15% battery usage is due to the wi-fi radio?
For my Android 8 LG V20 phone, Battery status shows usage by app, and I
have to go under Battery Usage to see consumption by radio (wifi,
cellular, Bluetooth, GPS), all apps, system, etc.  Is that where you see
15% used by the wifi radio?  Navigation to see radio battery usage might
differ on your phone.

With you enabling Samsung's ultra power savings mode, but seeing battery
consumption skyrocketing, I suspect you have an app that is desparately
attempting to get an Internet connection.  Have you reviewed battery
usage by app to see any are super high?

Whose web browser are you using?  If Chrome, that remains loaded and
running in the background despite you thought you exited it.  Same for
all other apps: they remain in background until the OS needs their
memory for a newly loaded process.  Unless you use a 3rd party task
manager, you don't get to exit any Android apps.  The OS decides when to
unload them.  However, some apps do have a real Exit function.  For
example, Mobile Firefox has a Quit option in its menu that will actually
unload the program.  With a web browser left running and loaded a
dynamic web page, could be the script is constantly changing the data.
If you look under Power Saving Exclusions, are any apps enabled (so they
are excluded from power savings)?

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#73067

On 1/5/2021 7:35 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Android 6. I use this phone for calls a time or 2 a week, and a few
>> texts per month. Data is turned off. Power savings mode on.
>>
>> Are there settings I haven't found.
>>
>> I "stop" everything I can that I don't use often, like camera, play
>> store, maps...
>>
>> Also wondering why my power usage skyrockets if I enable "ultra power
>> savings" mode.
>>
>> Galaxy S5
>> android 6.0.1
>> Verizon through PagePlus
> 
> How are you determining the 15% battery usage is due to the wi-fi radio?
> For my Android 8 LG V20 phone, Battery status shows usage by app, and I
> have to go under Battery Usage to see consumption by radio (wifi,
> cellular, Bluetooth, GPS), all apps, system, etc.  Is that where you see
> 15% used by the wifi radio?  Navigation to see radio battery usage might
> differ on your phone.

The 15% was listed on the "Battery" page - currently-

cell standby 19%
phone idle 13%
Wifi 12%
Android OS 9%
Android System 8%
Screen 3%
System UI 1%

> 
> With you enabling Samsung's ultra power savings mode, but seeing battery
> consumption skyrocketing, I suspect you have an app that is desparately
> attempting to get an Internet connection.  Have you reviewed battery
> usage by app to see any are super high?

In Application page:
Knox 7%
Help 7%
Settings 7%
Setup Wizard 7%
Voice recorder7% (Stopped)

Any idea what these thing do?

> Whose web browser are you using?  If Chrome, that remains loaded and
> running in the background despite you thought you exited it.  Same for
> all other apps: they remain in background until the OS needs their
> memory for a newly loaded process.  Unless you use a 3rd party task
> manager, you don't get to exit any Android apps.  The OS decides when to
> unload them.  However, some apps do have a real Exit function.  For
> example, Mobile Firefox has a Quit option in its menu that will actually
> unload the program.  With a web browser left running and loaded a
> dynamic web page, could be the script is constantly changing the data.
> If you look under Power Saving Exclusions, are any apps enabled (so they
> are excluded from power savings)?
> 

Firefox is loaded. Almost never used. Currently stopped.

I have wifi and mobile data turned off, except I might turn on wifi a 
few times a month.

HD phone is enabled because that's all Verizon accepts these days

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