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| Started by | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| First post | 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000 |
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:23 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:56 +1000
anonymous sims in EU (was: Who pays for a phone..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-07-23 20:21 +0200
Re: anonymous sims in EU tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 20:04 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:27 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:00 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:26 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:00 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:22 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-22 10:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:06 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-07-22 13:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:08 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 14:36 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:12 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:34 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:58 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 17:51 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 09:57 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:32 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Wolfgang Barth <barthwo@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-24 15:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-24 09:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:17 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:18 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:47 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:46 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:50 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 06:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-04 16:21 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:30 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-04 19:33 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-06 09:39 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:41 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-04 17:25 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:26 +1000
voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-05 20:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 15:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 12:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 16:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:24 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-21 19:45 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:17 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-24 17:49 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-24 19:03 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 09:52 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 22:28 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-25 08:17 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-10-25 18:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 18:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:16 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:24 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:13 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:09 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 18:33 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-26 08:07 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-10-25 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-25 17:10 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-10-26 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:27 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:11 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-26 21:24 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 23:18 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-10 00:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:19 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:10 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:43 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-11 00:21 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:57 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-11 09:57 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:20 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 11:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 16:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:04 +0200
security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:26 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:14 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 11:42 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 18:47 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 14:22 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 07:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-14 11:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 06:53 +0700
what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 14:13 +0000
Re: what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:20 +0700
Re: what's entrapment Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-18 22:06 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:43 +0700
prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:42 +0000
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:08 +0700
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-16 17:14 +0200
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-17 22:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 13:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-12 18:31 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 22:44 -0400
why disclose personal info (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:20 +0000
Re: why disclose personal info David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-15 15:12 +0100
Re: why disclose personal info Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-15 15:08 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:23 -0700
accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-15 09:50 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-15 16:36 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:55 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-15 14:44 -0500
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 19:34 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 09:54 +0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-18 11:02 +1000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-22 12:55 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:08 +0200
security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-24 00:48 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-24 14:18 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 19:59 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-25 13:40 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2015-08-25 12:31 -0400
Re: security vs. manners lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-25 16:38 +0000
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:29 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 10:19 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 11:45 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 13:53 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 14:39 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 16:56 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 16:08 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 17:33 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 17:32 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 19:51 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 18:59 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-27 08:42 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-27 09:24 -0500
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 22:52 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:57 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 15:36 +0100
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-25 21:04 -0400
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 03:25 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:26 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:18 -0700
Re: security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-25 08:36 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-16 23:19 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-17 18:08 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 17:22 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-17 23:15 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-18 17:11 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-18 23:03 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 13:53 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:49 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 17:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 19:51 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:56 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 20:51 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 21:48 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:29 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 15:40 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 21:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:04 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:58 +1000
do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 +0200
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Elias <elias@nowherenohow.com> - 2015-08-08 10:02 -0500
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 21:28 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:23 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-08-06 07:00 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:59 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 15:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 18:50 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:12 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:40 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:24 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:22 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:35 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-06 14:36 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:18 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:31 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:04 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:44 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:36 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-10 20:05 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-25 22:45 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-27 13:47 +0000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-27 10:20 -0400
q) campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? a) education Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0000
comp.mobile.android "The Sorceress of Qar" <sorceress@qar.qanar.com> - 2015-08-27 09:23 -0500
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-27 13:01 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201509.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-09-06 00:12 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 16:21 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-22 23:11 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:54 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-22 23:40 -0500
Bev's reverse logic (was: leader's campaigns..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-09-03 09:22 +0200
Re: Bev's reverse logic David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0100
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-23 08:49 -0400
small campaign donations (was: leader's campaigns..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-31 16:06 -0400
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-12 04:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-05 18:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 16:02 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-06 18:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-07 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-10 08:51 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-10 22:28 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 08:53 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 01:06 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 10:25 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 17:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-12 09:54 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 19:00 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-06 16:14 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 09:49 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 11:46 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 18:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 08:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 12:56 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 11:57 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:04 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 12:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 06:09 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 13:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:39 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:09 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:27 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 14:58 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 16:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 08:32 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 08:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:37 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 15:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 16:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 22:35 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 00:03 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:01 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 23:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:05 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 09:28 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:14 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 09:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 07:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:56 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:52 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas David Solimano <david@solimano.org> - 2015-08-06 22:52 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:59 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:03 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 05:34 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:04 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Dieghettino <d@casa.mia> - 2015-07-26 06:41 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:45 +1000
non-EU travellers must carry passports (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-01 20:26 +0200
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-01 21:33 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 23:11 -0400
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-04 14:25 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:05 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 07:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-04 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 12:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:36 +1000
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-05 20:05 +0000
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:19 -0700
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:46 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:10 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 14:58 -0400
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-08 08:48 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:45 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:04 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:51 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:30 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:24 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mpu0hm$p3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21709 |
On 08/05/2015 01:41 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev > <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the >> proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn >> thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. >> Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care >> enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. > > That's the typical rhetoric of the privileged about the less > privileged. You don't have to be "privileged" to vote, you just have to want to. Eligibility is a secondary requirement :-( > Read the links I provided in a message I posted just a few minutes ago. I read several. They all seem to be long on opinion -- including opinions about statistics -- and short on actual investigative facts. My son lived with us for a while and registered to vote. He was still carried on the rolls long after (10 years at least) he moved away. Had my husband wanted he could have returned later in the day and voted under our son's name. We told the people that he had moved away long ago and the name was gone by the next election. If I paid attention to my neighbors' names (the rolls are sorted by address) I could have voted for any of the ones who moved away or died whenever I wanted. Would that form of fraud have shown up in any of the studies? I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG difference in the results, and probably has already done so. How would this form of fraud be detected? There are responsibilities involved in citizenship. Doing what's necessary to vote is one of them. Repeat: if you care enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. -- Cheers, Bev ========================================== All the toilets were stolen out of the police station. The police have nothing to go on.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2ga0jFd6hdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21710 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mpu0hm$p3v$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 01:41 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >> In article <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev >> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the >>> proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn >>> thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. >>> Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care >>> enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. >> >> That's the typical rhetoric of the privileged about the less >> privileged. > > You don't have to be "privileged" to vote, you just have to want to. > Eligibility is a secondary requirement :-( > >> Read the links I provided in a message I posted just a few minutes ago. > > I read several. They all seem to be long on opinion -- including opinions > about statistics -- and short on actual investigative facts. > > My son lived with us for a while and registered to vote. He was still > carried on the rolls long after (10 years at least) he moved away. Had my > husband wanted he could have returned later in the day and voted under our > son's name. We told the people that he had moved away long ago and the > name was gone by the next election. The point tho is that few are in that situation and bother with that sort of voter fraud because there is no point in doing that. > If I paid attention to my neighbors' names (the rolls are sorted by > address) I could have voted for any of the ones who moved away or died > whenever I wanted. Yes, but again, that wouldn’t affect the result of the election, so few bother to do that. > Would that form of fraud have shown up in any of the studies? > > I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been > 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I > could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me > to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling > place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG > difference in the results, and probably has already done so. > > How would this form of fraud be detected? It isn't going to be common enough to matter. > There are responsibilities involved in citizenship. Doing what's > necessary to vote is one of them. Repeat: if you care enough about > something you'll figure out a way to do it. But the point is that the sort of voter that the parties deliberate encourage to vote by making it easy for them to vote on election day can't do that for them so they won't be able to vote.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21716 |
On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: > "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been >> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling >> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >> >> How would this form of fraud be detected? > > It isn't going to be common enough to matter. Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. City population in 2014: ~140,000 Last election results: 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) Candidate 1 8549 54.3 Candidate 2 7170 45.6 District 1 City Councilperson 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) Candidate 1 1185 48.9 Candidate 2 1238 51.0 If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right. -- Cheers, Bev $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Polish loan sharks: they loan you money and then skip town.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2gdi0Fe084U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21717 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: > >> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>> been >>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>> polling >>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>> >>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >> >> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. > > Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. That isn't the elections that are the reason for the demand to show photo ID before you can vote. > City population in 2014: ~140,000 > Last election results: > > 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) > NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) > Candidate 1 8549 54.3 > Candidate 2 7170 45.6 > > District 1 City Councilperson > 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting > NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) > Candidate 1 1185 48.9 > Candidate 2 1238 51.0 > > If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were > running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register > some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You > think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mq02v2$ktc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21718 |
On 08/05/2015 11:35 PM, JHY wrote: > > > "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... >> On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: >> >>> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>>> been >>>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >>>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >>>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>>> polling >>>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>>> >>>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >>> >>> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. >> >> Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. > > That isn't the elections that are the reason for the > demand to show photo ID before you can vote. So what? Local fraud is still fraud, and is probably a lot more serious at the local level. What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to do something illegal? >> City population in 2014: ~140,000 >> Last election results: >> >> 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) >> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >> Candidate 1 8549 54.3 >> Candidate 2 7170 45.6 >> >> District 1 City Councilperson >> 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting >> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >> Candidate 1 1185 48.9 >> Candidate 2 1238 51.0 >> >> If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were >> running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register >> some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You >> think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right. -- Cheers, Bev ------------------------------------------------------------------ It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <1dy4vpvgj8bg9.1neopy5x758xf$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #21758 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:46:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote: > What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy > to do something illegal? Probably the same thing that's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to lay hands on guns for doing something illegal :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2hsquFprqsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21758 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mq02v2$ktc$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 11:35 PM, JHY wrote: >> >> >> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: >>> >>>> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>>>> been >>>>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps >>>>> I >>>>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay >>>>> me >>>>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>>>> polling >>>>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>>>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>>>> >>>>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >>>> >>>> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. >>> >>> Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. >> >> That isn't the elections that are the reason for the >> demand to show photo ID before you can vote. > > So what? So it isn't the reason the Repugs are demanding photo ID before you can vote. > Local fraud is still fraud, There isn't any evidence of the sort of voter fraud you are talking about at the local level, essentially because its just too difficult to organise and few elections end up with as close as a result as the ones you listed so they would have to put a massive effort into doing that in most of the district elections and hardly ever get a useful result when doing that, so they don’t. and is probably a lot more serious > at the local level. What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to > do something illegal? Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that drive them to and from where they vote because they wouldn’t otherwise bother to vote and that does penalise the one party that has most of those voters, those who have no need for a photo ID except to vote. >>> City population in 2014: ~140,000 >>> Last election results: >>> >>> 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) >>> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >>> Candidate 1 8549 54.3 >>> Candidate 2 7170 45.6 >>> >>> District 1 City Councilperson >>> 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting >>> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >>> Candidate 1 1185 48.9 >>> Candidate 2 1238 51.0 >>> >>> If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were >>> running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register >>> some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You >>> think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right.
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| From | Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De> |
| In reply to | #21781 |
JHY wrote: > Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day > for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that > drive them to and from where they vote Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? Axel
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2lddnFlirmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21828 |
Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote > JHY wrote >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the >> day for those who are encouraged to vote by the >> groups that drive them to and from where they vote > Why don't they have it anyway? Because most jurisdictions don't require everyone to carry ID at all times like the european police states do. > If someone does me harm or damage, perhaps > even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to > see his ID and know whom to claim damges from. And in most jurisdictions there is no legal requirement to show ID when someone else does that, not even with the police. The main exception is with car accidents and obviously those who don't drive have no need to carry ID, let alone photo ID. > In Britain or America not even the police > can ascertain someboy's identity. That isn't true of vehicle drivers and it isn't true of just Britain and America either, its just as true of almost all the non european police states too. > Is that reasonable? Yes, we feel that it is because we aren't into police states.
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| From | DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <chudsah11oiar9l9870upg2goa5k7s4pqn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21828 |
In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: >JHY wrote: >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that >> drive them to and from where they vote > >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? Are you required to carry papers at all times? And if so, do you have discretion as to when and where you present them? -- We have a two party system, the democratic party, which is a party of no ideas, and the republican party, which is a party of bad ideas. -- Lewis Black
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2p06aFi1geU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21860 |
DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote: > In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger > <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: > > >JHY wrote: > >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day > >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that > >> drive them to and from where they vote > > > >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, > >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and > >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the > >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? > > Are you required to carry papers at all times? For The Netherlands, Germany is probably similar: Yes. BTW, in many cases, it's not 'papers', but a credit-card sized ID-card. > And if so, do you have > discretion as to when and where you present them? This is a too broad a question to fully answer. But in general you have to present them to 'officials' - i.e. police, etc. - upon request. That's the 'police state' interpretation/*theory*, which is so popular with some people. In *reality*, I've *never* been asked to present ID to any 'official', in the *10 years* that this law exists [1]. And I do *not* carry my ID, because the chance to have to present ID, is very low and the fine - *if* I would ever get it, is only some 90 Eoro (US$100). So, I'm *so* sorry to disappoint the privacy loons, but *that* is the extend of our 'police state's! [1] It probably helps to be a somewhat behaving person.
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| From | Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 00:18 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <o7nesa9509qvfh1pfgi0jcfhlmv3knsj84@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21864 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote: >> In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger >> <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: >> >> >JHY wrote: >> >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day >> >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that >> >> drive them to and from where they vote >> > >> >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, >> >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and >> >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the >> >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? >> >> Are you required to carry papers at all times? > > For The Netherlands, Germany is probably similar: > > Yes. BTW, in many cases, it's not 'papers', but a credit-card sized >ID-card. > >> And if so, do you have >> discretion as to when and where you present them? > > This is a too broad a question to fully answer. But in general you >have to present them to 'officials' - i.e. police, etc. - upon >request. > > That's the 'police state' interpretation/*theory*, which is so popular >with some people. > > In *reality*, I've *never* been asked to present ID to any 'official', >in the *10 years* that this law exists [1]. And I do *not* carry my ID, >because the chance to have to present ID, is very low and the fine - >*if* I would ever get it, is only some 90 Eoro (US$100). > > So, I'm *so* sorry to disappoint the privacy loons, but *that* is the >extend of our 'police state's! > >[1] It probably helps to be a somewhat behaving person. Yes but the major reason that you are not affected is because you are, er, middle aged and the preferred ethnic group. The "police state" aspect will be clear to young people, blacks and Muslims. Australians have successfully resisted an identity card but not a "police state". In Victoria police are allowed to do "random" searches for weapons at specified railway stations. Guess which railway stations are targeted and who gets searched every time.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 17:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2pi6bFml78U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21869 |
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote: > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > >DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote: > >> In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger > >> <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: > >> > >> >JHY wrote: > >> >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day > >> >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that > >> >> drive them to and from where they vote > >> > > >> >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, > >> >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and > >> >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the > >> >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? > >> > >> Are you required to carry papers at all times? > > > > For The Netherlands, Germany is probably similar: > > > > Yes. BTW, in many cases, it's not 'papers', but a credit-card sized > >ID-card. > > > >> And if so, do you have > >> discretion as to when and where you present them? > > > > This is a too broad a question to fully answer. But in general you > >have to present them to 'officials' - i.e. police, etc. - upon > >request. > > > > That's the 'police state' interpretation/*theory*, which is so popular > >with some people. > > > > In *reality*, I've *never* been asked to present ID to any 'official', > >in the *10 years* that this law exists [1]. And I do *not* carry my ID, > >because the chance to have to present ID, is very low and the fine - > >*if* I would ever get it, is only some 90 Eoro (US$100). > > > > So, I'm *so* sorry to disappoint the privacy loons, but *that* is the > >extend of our 'police state's! > > > >[1] It probably helps to be a somewhat behaving person. > > Yes but the major reason that you are not affected is because you are, > er, middle aged and the preferred ethnic group. The "police state" > aspect will be clear to young people, blacks and Muslims. > > Australians have successfully resisted an identity card but not a > "police state". In Victoria police are allowed to do "random" searches > for weapons at specified railway stations. Guess which railway > stations are targeted and who gets searched every time. Couldn't agree more! That only proves that the requirement to carry an ID card is not the problem. The *real* problems are, as you describe, quite different. I won't go into the 'profiling'/'targeting' aspects, because those aren't black and white - pardon the pun - either.
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| From | Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 23:19 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <55C7C3E1.DEA454FF@B.Maus.De> |
| In reply to | #21869 |
Gordon Levi wrote: > In Victoria police are allowed to do "random" searches > for weapons at specified railway stations. Guess which railway > stations are targeted and who gets searched every time. This may be bias but it need not be. The criterion is NOT whether (members of) all groups have the same chance of being searched, it is whether in all searches done there is the same proportion of successful searches for all groups. On many airports they prefer to search elderly white grannies rather than young muslim men, because the former tend to be much nicer about it and who doesn't want to have it easy in his job?
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| From | Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 23:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <55C7C1C9.53D1BFAE@B.Maus.De> |
| In reply to | #21860 |
DevilsPGD wrote: > Are you required to carry papers at all times? No, you're not, with certain exceptions like when legally carrying weapons. > And if so, do you have > discretion as to when and where you present them? Yes. I find it practical to have it on me and to show it. Like when I have damged somebody's property I can identify myself and leave. If not, he'd have to detain me to make sure of receiving damages. I don't ever have to show it to just anybody, but anyone who has suffered damage through me clearly has a valid right to ascertain who I am. The same goes for anyone entering a legal contract like car rental or hire purchase. They won't just let me leave taking along their property. Even in the oh so free United States and Britain I had to present my passport both on hiring a car and on opening a bank account. I really don't see the slightest problem with that. When buying something an paying cash in full I do it just as anonymously as you do, in fact far more so because cash is still more prevalent that cards over here by far, so all your handwaving about privacy turns out as just so much hypocricy. Axel
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| From | John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 08:43 +0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <2kvfsa5t4db75r21gs0lplfp9qf352ctsp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21885 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 23:10:33 +0200, Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote: >DevilsPGD wrote: >> Are you required to carry papers at all times? > >No, you're not, with certain exceptions like when legally carrying >weapons. > >> And if so, do you have >> discretion as to when and where you present them? > >Yes. I find it practical to have it on me and to show it. Like when I >have damged somebody's property I can identify myself and leave. If not, >he'd have to detain me to make sure of receiving damages. I don't ever >have to show it to just anybody, but anyone who has suffered damage >through me clearly has a valid right to ascertain who I am. The same >goes for anyone entering a legal contract like car rental or hire >purchase. They won't just let me leave taking along their property. Even >in the oh so free United States and Britain I had to present my passport >both on hiring a car and on opening a bank account. I really don't see >the slightest problem with that. >When buying something an paying cash in full I do it just as anonymously >as you do, in fact far more so because cash is still more prevalent that >cards over here by far, so all your handwaving about privacy turns out >as just so much hypocricy. > >Axel I find all this fall-de-rall about I.D. cards somewhat humorous. I spent 20 Years in the U.S. Air force and had to carry an I.D. card. I now live in Thailand and locals have to provide an I.D. card and a "house registration" in almost any official transaction, opening a bank account, renting something, when a policeman stops you, when dealing with almost any government agency, etc. I have to provide my passport. I visit other countries in S.E.A. that all require I.D. cards. In Vietnam during the war days a person that did not have an I.D. card on their purpose went straight to the jail house. Out of curiosity I just asked my wife (Thai citizen) about whether she worries about having to have an I.D. card and she said "why". Something like 40 years ago I was stationed in California and had to produce proof of identity to pass a check and my drivers license (from New Hampshire) did not have a photograph on it and no one would take my check. -- cheers, John B.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 13:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mqb249$mh9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21909 |
On 08/09/2015 06:43 PM, John B. wrote: > On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 23:10:33 +0200, Axel Berger > <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote: > >>DevilsPGD wrote: >>> Are you required to carry papers at all times? No, we're not. But if a cop really wants to know who you are and you can't produce some sort of acceptable explanation/paper, he can make life a living hell for you. >>No, you're not, with certain exceptions like when legally carrying >>weapons. >> >>> And if so, do you have >>> discretion as to when and where you present them? >> >>Yes. I find it practical to have it on me and to show it. Like when I >>have damged somebody's property I can identify myself and leave. If not, >>he'd have to detain me to make sure of receiving damages. I don't ever >>have to show it to just anybody, but anyone who has suffered damage >>through me clearly has a valid right to ascertain who I am. The same >>goes for anyone entering a legal contract like car rental or hire >>purchase. They won't just let me leave taking along their property. Even >>in the oh so free United States and Britain I had to present my passport >>both on hiring a car and on opening a bank account. I really don't see >>the slightest problem with that. >>When buying something an paying cash in full I do it just as anonymously >>as you do, in fact far more so because cash is still more prevalent that >>cards over here by far, so all your handwaving about privacy turns out >>as just so much hypocricy. I would have thought that in Germany the "Papieren, bitte" thing would have made the government rather sensitive about requiring ID. > I find all this fall-de-rall about I.D. cards somewhat humorous. I > spent 20 Years in the U.S. Air force and had to carry an I.D. card. I > now live in Thailand and locals have to provide an I.D. card and a > "house registration" in almost any official transaction, opening a > bank account, renting something, when a policeman stops you, when > dealing with almost any government agency, etc. I have to provide my > passport. I visit other countries in S.E.A. that all require I.D. > cards. In Vietnam during the war days a person that did not have an > I.D. card on their purpose went straight to the jail house. > > Out of curiosity I just asked my wife (Thai citizen) about whether she > worries about having to have an I.D. card and she said "why". > > Something like 40 years ago I was stationed in California and had to > produce proof of identity to pass a check and my drivers license (from > New Hampshire) did not have a photograph on it and no one would take > my check. I hold that people who don't have a big enough stake/interest in in the USA to do something that requires them to show ID probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. As soon as you can vote to have other people support you the system starts to crumble. -- Cheers, Bev ============================================================ If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. - Jack Handy
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| From | Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 00:21 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <55C923D4.99D16A38@B.Maus.De> |
| In reply to | #21929 |
The Real Bev wrote: > But if a cop really wants to know who you are and you > can't produce some sort of acceptable explanation/paper, he can make > life a living hell for you. And you really believe than in America you can tell police your name is Mickey Mouse and they'll just accept that and let you go? That's where ID really makes life much easier for us and far less hassle. Axel
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| From | John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 06:57 +0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <rbeisa141693c76cb4mc9c6e41mqhag5o7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21935 |
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:21:08 +0200, Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote: >The Real Bev wrote: >> But if a cop really wants to know who you are and you >> can't produce some sort of acceptable explanation/paper, he can make >> life a living hell for you. > >And you really believe than in America you can tell police your name is >Mickey Mouse and they'll just accept that and let you go? That's where >ID really makes life much easier for us and far less hassle. > >Axel I was under the impression that you must advise the police of your identification so googled it and find that some 25 states have a law that says they you must identify yourself if asked and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the law is permissible if a state implements it. -- cheers, John B.
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 09:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mqcuth$vc3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21938 |
"John B." <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rbeisa141693c76cb4mc9c6e41mqhag5o7@4ax.com... > On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:21:08 +0200, Axel Berger > <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote: > >>The Real Bev wrote: >>> But if a cop really wants to know who you are and you >>> can't produce some sort of acceptable explanation/paper, he can make >>> life a living hell for you. >> >>And you really believe than in America you can tell police your name >>is >>Mickey Mouse and they'll just accept that and let you go? That's where >>ID really makes life much easier for us and far less hassle. >> >>Axel > > I was under the impression that you must advise the police of your > identification so googled it and find that some 25 states have a law > that says they you must identify yourself if asked and the U.S. > Supreme Court has ruled that the law is permissible if a state > implements it. This is not so clear-cut. There are only four states that have a law that mandates that you must identify yourself when asked to by a law enforcement officer for any reason or no reason. In the other states, a police officer can ask for ID at anytime but you are under no obligation to provide it unless you are being detained and to be detained an officer must suspect you of committing a crime or that you are about to commit a crime. If you are detained for any other reason, that itself is illegal. Police do have ways, as we know, of making life difficult when you don't oblige to their demand even if they are unlawful demands. You have to make a choice whether to stand up for your rights or allow them to be violated. Having a camera to record the "event" helps. Still, there are cases where even that doesn't change things and police blatantly violate one's rights. It seems that there are only very few instances where an officer who does that ever suffers any consequences of it. The system of police departments investigating themselves when an officer is suspected of wrongdoing is problematic in itself.
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