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  Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows  Arlen_Holder <a%rle%20nh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-11-11 17:31 +0000
    Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 14:48 +0000
      Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-17 20:14 +0000
        [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. (was: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 21:14 +0000
          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-17 22:54 +0000
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 19:53 -0500
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-18 03:57 +0000
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-18 16:14 +0000
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 14:31 -0500
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-18 03:27 +0000
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-18 19:14 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-19 03:39 +0000
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:22 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-19 03:52 +0000
          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-18 21:54 +0100
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-19 12:13 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-19 08:45 -0500
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-19 15:49 +0100
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-19 10:13 -0500
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-19 20:23 +0000
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:12 +0100
                    Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:04 -0500
                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 14:59 +0100
                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-21 09:30 -0500
                          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 23:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 09:41 -0500
                          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 10:02 -0500
                            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 10:07 -0500
                              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 10:18 -0500
                                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 10:25 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 13:10 -0500
                                    Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:10 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 15:42 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:47 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 15:44 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-21 21:43 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 23:12 +0100
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-20 16:44 +0000
      Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 15:29 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-17 15:34 -0500
          Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:12 +0100
            Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:04 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 15:39 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 21:58 +0000
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:15 +0100
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:07 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:21 -0500
          Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-20 16:34 +0000
            Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:04 +0100
              Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-22 13:09 +0100

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#57380 — Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows

Hi Frank,
Happy Armistice Day!

I wish to attempt your freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows.

The reason I want to attempt it is:
o To be able to back up Android to Windows more efficiently, and, 
o To better understand the solution you keep saying I have ignored, and,
o To document your solution so that _everyone_ can benefit (as always).

Since I'm different than almost everyone here in that when I can do
something, I make sure _everyone_ can do it too, this will have benefits to
everyone - and not just me - especially if it has rsync-like capabilities
to back up only those files which have changed during interim automated
backups.

What do I/we need to do, Frank, to run your proposed solution to:
o Back up the entire visible file system (or select chunks),
o Automatically, if possible (manually if not),
o Using freeware which, if possible, only backs up changed files.

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#57606

Arlen_Holder <a%rle%20nh.older@no.spam.net> wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> Happy Armistice Day!
> 
> I wish to attempt your freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows.
> 
> The reason I want to attempt it is:
> o To be able to back up Android to Windows more efficiently, and, 
> o To better understand the solution you keep saying I have ignored, and,

  Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.

> o To document your solution so that _everyone_ can benefit (as always).
> 
> Since I'm different than almost everyone here in that when I can do
> something, I make sure _everyone_ can do it too, this will have benefits to
> everyone - and not just me - especially if it has rsync-like capabilities
> to back up only those files which have changed during interim automated
> backups.
> 
> What do I/we need to do, Frank, to run your proposed solution to:
> o Back up the entire visible file system (or select chunks),
> o Automatically, if possible (manually if not),
> o Using freeware which, if possible, only backs up changed files.

  For obvious reasons, I didn't see your post until now (when I was
looking up some newsreader functionality in Thunderbird which gave me an
unfiltered view).

  You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

<news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

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#57612

On 17 Nov 2018 14:48:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>   Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.

Hi Frank,
Happy mid-month Nanowrimo party day!

You clearly said you had a solution that I "ignored".

Since the only "solutions" I ignore are those that are (a) in-feasible or
(b) imaginary, I simply asked you for your solution.

So I could test it out for myself.

As you know, I only care about actual solutions.
You know, the real ones. 

The ones that actually work on a computer (& not only in the ether).

And, as you are well aware, most of the trolls have only imaginary
solutions, e.g., like those Diesel or Nil or nospam or Snit or ... (the
list goes on and on and on).

You are aware that I only speak facts, and that I back up my facts, with
references, cites, quotes, snapshots, tutorials, comparisons, etc.

It takes a _lot_ of effort to do that, Frank ... but I do it because:
o I care that people get the facts, and, 
o I care about my credibility (I have never once been shown to be wrong).

When it comes to facts, Frank, I'm always (almost) always right.
Simply because facts are funny that way. 
Everyone (who possesses an adult mind) agrees on facts. 

Some facts are contentious only in that the proof is sketchy, e.g., the
Mpemba effect, as just one example.

But most facts we speak about on Usenet aren't that difficult to prove.

Only people like Diesel have that problem, where
o Their imaginary solutions are kept only to them, and, where
o They won't tell us unless we _beg_ them for the solution, and even then
o They want to "make us work" for that solution, and, even then, 

Sigh. The number of imaginary solutions outnumbers real ones by a lot!

So let's try out your solution, Frank, since you did say I "ignored" it,
did you not?

>   You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
> response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
> the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.
> 
> <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

Given that message id, and planting it into the search engine...
 Message-ID: <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

What am I doing wrong in searching to find it?
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2544251howardknight.jpg>

Am I working hard enough yet for your solution Frank?

(Why can't you simply post the URL to it like I always do?)
 http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
 http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com

Did you _test_ that Message ID Frank? Or did I paste it in wrong?

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#57619 — [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. (was: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows)

arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> wrote:
> On 17 Nov 2018 14:48:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> >   Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.
> 
> Hi Frank,
> Happy mid-month Nanowrimo party day!
> 
> You clearly said you had a solution that I "ignored".

  As I said in the other thread where you posted crap about me [1],
you're confusing two different and totally unrelated topics.

[1]

Subject: Re: Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general]

[Usual obnoxious, pompous and *incorrect* twattery deleted.]

> >   You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
> > response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
> > the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.
> > 
> > <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> 
> Given that message id, and planting it into the search engine...
>  Message-ID: <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

  It's a news URL. The message-ID is the part after 'news:'.
  
  I've asked you before if you knew what a news URL is. You dodged the
question and hence missed an opportunity to learn. So now you failed
again. There's a lesson there somewhere.

  So here we go:

  A news URL can have several formats. The format used here is:

<news:message-ID>

  '<' and '>' are the normal URL delimiters.

  'news:' indicates that it's a news (NetNews) URL, in the same vein
(sp?) as 'http:' indicates a 'web' URL.

  Note that I spelled 'message-ID' with a lower case 'm', because it is
the *content* of the 'Message-ID:' header, not the name of the header.

  It's less ambiguous to use '<news:MID>', but if one uses that, most
people ask "What does 'MID' mean?" and the whole thing starts over
again.

  So specifically:

  The header in my post is:

Message-ID: <pspvm9.7tc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

  From that we take the 'message-ID/MID':

<pspvm9.7tc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

  And now we convert the 'message-ID/MID' into a news URL by
inserting/prepending 'news:':

<news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

  Which is what I gave you.

> What am I doing wrong in searching to find it?
>  <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2544251howardknight.jpg>

  You left the 'news:' bit in.

> Am I working hard enough yet for your solution Frank?

  Don't be a prat! With your attitude, there's no justification for you
to try to be funny.

> (Why can't you simply post the URL to it like I always do?)
>  http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
>  http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com

  Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
showing webpages!?

  Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.

  In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.

  If you're still using Dialog as your newsreader 'behind the scenes',
look in it's documenation on how to lookup/display an article via/from a
news URL or ask in news.software readers.

  Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
appreciate my effort.

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#57622 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>   Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
> time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
> appreciate my effort.

Hi Frank Slootweg,
Thanks for explaining the news:<url> syntax which I have never used prior.

As you're well aware, my "usenet reader" is "vi" (now gVim) written 
years ago, using scripts, so the actual posting is done, literally, 
via "telnet" to a port such as 119.

I agree with you that, for most people, that "news:<url>" should be
sufficient, where I would expect no more of you than that URL, I agree.

While I haven't touched a newsreader in years, I installed one which asked:
o What do you want to do with this message id?
  a. Locally search for this MsgID in all groups?
  b. Locate article at Google Groups
  c. Try to retrieve this article from a newsserver

With your helpful clarification, I was able to find the article using:
 <pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
Which, on Howard Knight's lookup, brought me to:
 <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpql56t.8k8.1%40ID-201911.user.individual.net%3E>

Once I had that URL, I could construct a conventional URL:
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/biXD3Zv0AwAJ>

Which brings us to this exact post using a conventional URL:
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/raXereNjBwAJ>

As you know, I always follow the maxim:
o If a poster acts like an adult, I treat them as an adult
o If a poster acts like a child, I treat them as a child

I don't have to prove they act like a child; all I do it point out that
what they write proves they act like a child. 

You see Frank, one thing I _know_ is _always_ a fact, is that I'm a mirror. 
You (and many Usenet posters) don't believe this, and yet, you can't find a
single instance in my thousands of posts where I "drew first blood".

You _always_ say that, Frank - and I _always_ prove you're wrong.
Just like you were just now Frank.

Since I'm an adult, I simply provide facts proving what I say is a fact:

In that thread, organized the way Google does (so it's reproducible):
o Post 1: Arlen; What do you use to backup & share your installed apps?
o Post 2: visiblink; Thanks for the references to APK Extractor
o Post 3: Cresswell; +1 for APK Extractor
o Post 4: Frank; +1 because it saves the APKs in the Download folder! 
o Post 5: Frank; I use Astro which does the same
o Post 6: Arlen; More information and links and detilas & focus on the OP
o Post 7: Arlen; Update, limitations of the F-Droid APK Extrator
o Post 8: Frank; *Nope, the "doubly stupid" here is you*. 

Do you see facts Frank? 
Or are facts always invisible to you, Frank?

You're like the guy who gets a speeding ticket who blames the cops.
You're like the bank robber who blames the news for publishing his crime.

Who _always_ "draws first blood" Frank?
HINT: It's _never_ me. It's _always_ you, Frank.
I simply "respond" to what you write. 

Let's move forward, in facts, like *adults* do.

Post 9: Arlen; Instead of playing silly games, I prefer to move forward
Post 10: Arlen; More details to supplement the previous post of details
Post 11: Frank; "*You*, OTOH *are* playing *stupid* games, by trying to
dodge this issue of not reading / not learning and trying to divert to your
ever so stupid game of drawing first blood. " 

Wow. Look at this. Again, you *again* out of the blue call me names and
accuse me of "drawing first blood" when I expressly avoided your childish
comments and stayed perfectly on topic.

Now Frank, I don't care about the name calling (that's just childish); but
what I care about are facts.

You _always_ say I "draw first blood" and yet, the proof I provide _always_
shows that _you_ do it. Not me.

You know why I know the proof will _always_ do that?
HINT: I have a strategy in Usenet and tactics that follow it.
Part of those tactics are to treat adults like adults, Frank.

Let's move on with the facts, shall we?
Post 12: visiblink; helpful information about ragib.appbackup.pro 
Post 13: Arlen; helpful information about sharing data
Post 14: Arlen; thanks to visiblink & helpful supporting links
Post 15: Frank;  Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless' 

OK Frank. After you "drawing first blood" twice, you _finally_ add a
purposefully helpful comment, or so it seems.

However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
*obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync>
1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others
4. It is limited to a shared folder(s?) on your PC
   - You press "Add Computer"
   - It scans for computers but fails on "Netbios" (predictably), saying
     "Netbios name not available (port 137 is blocked)"
     "Sync may not function properly"
5. This message goes on for about 250 IP addresses...
   192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5, ... 192.168.1.253
6. I run an ipconfig on the desktop, which reports 192.168.1.22
7. I enter the following into the SyncMe Wireless GUI:
   Computer Name: 192.168.1.22
   Domain: 192.168.1.22
   User: uname
   Password: passwd
8. I press "OK"; it says 
   "Validating computer information, it may take a few seconds"
9. It says: "Connection reset"
10. I try again (sometimes, with computers that matters), but it says:
   "Unexpected error class java.to.StreamCorruptedException"

I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere... (the wife is
calling me)... 

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#57623 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

PLEASE STOP, YOU TWO!!!

arlen michael holder wrote on 11/17/2018 5:54 PM:
> On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
>>   Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
>> time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
>> appreciate my effort.
> 
> Hi Frank Slootweg,
> Thanks for explaining the news:<url> syntax which I have never used prior.
> 
> As you're well aware, my "usenet reader" is "vi" (now gVim) written 
> years ago, using scripts, so the actual posting is done, literally, 
> via "telnet" to a port such as 119.
> 
> I agree with you that, for most people, that "news:<url>" should be
> sufficient, where I would expect no more of you than that URL, I agree.
> 
> While I haven't touched a newsreader in years, I installed one which asked:
> o What do you want to do with this message id?
>   a. Locally search for this MsgID in all groups?
>   b. Locate article at Google Groups
>   c. Try to retrieve this article from a newsserver
> 
> With your helpful clarification, I was able to find the article using:
>  <pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> Which, on Howard Knight's lookup, brought me to:
>  <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpql56t.8k8.1%40ID-201911.user.individual.net%3E>
> 
> Once I had that URL, I could construct a conventional URL:
>  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/biXD3Zv0AwAJ>
> 
> Which brings us to this exact post using a conventional URL:
>  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/raXereNjBwAJ>
> 
> As you know, I always follow the maxim:
> o If a poster acts like an adult, I treat them as an adult
> o If a poster acts like a child, I treat them as a child
> 
> I don't have to prove they act like a child; all I do it point out that
> what they write proves they act like a child. 
> 
> You see Frank, one thing I _know_ is _always_ a fact, is that I'm a mirror. 
> You (and many Usenet posters) don't believe this, and yet, you can't find a
> single instance in my thousands of posts where I "drew first blood".
> 
> You _always_ say that, Frank - and I _always_ prove you're wrong.
> Just like you were just now Frank.
> 
> Since I'm an adult, I simply provide facts proving what I say is a fact:
> 
> In that thread, organized the way Google does (so it's reproducible):
> o Post 1: Arlen; What do you use to backup & share your installed apps?
> o Post 2: visiblink; Thanks for the references to APK Extractor
> o Post 3: Cresswell; +1 for APK Extractor
> o Post 4: Frank; +1 because it saves the APKs in the Download folder! 
> o Post 5: Frank; I use Astro which does the same
> o Post 6: Arlen; More information and links and detilas & focus on the OP
> o Post 7: Arlen; Update, limitations of the F-Droid APK Extrator
> o Post 8: Frank; *Nope, the "doubly stupid" here is you*. 
> 
> Do you see facts Frank? 
> Or are facts always invisible to you, Frank?
> 
> You're like the guy who gets a speeding ticket who blames the cops.
> You're like the bank robber who blames the news for publishing his crime.
> 
> Who _always_ "draws first blood" Frank?
> HINT: It's _never_ me. It's _always_ you, Frank.
> I simply "respond" to what you write. 
> 
> Let's move forward, in facts, like *adults* do.
> 
> Post 9: Arlen; Instead of playing silly games, I prefer to move forward
> Post 10: Arlen; More details to supplement the previous post of details
> Post 11: Frank; "*You*, OTOH *are* playing *stupid* games, by trying to
> dodge this issue of not reading / not learning and trying to divert to your
> ever so stupid game of drawing first blood. " 
> 
> Wow. Look at this. Again, you *again* out of the blue call me names and
> accuse me of "drawing first blood" when I expressly avoided your childish
> comments and stayed perfectly on topic.
> 
> Now Frank, I don't care about the name calling (that's just childish); but
> what I care about are facts.
> 
> You _always_ say I "draw first blood" and yet, the proof I provide _always_
> shows that _you_ do it. Not me.
> 
> You know why I know the proof will _always_ do that?
> HINT: I have a strategy in Usenet and tactics that follow it.
> Part of those tactics are to treat adults like adults, Frank.
> 
> Let's move on with the facts, shall we?
> Post 12: visiblink; helpful information about ragib.appbackup.pro 
> Post 13: Arlen; helpful information about sharing data
> Post 14: Arlen; thanks to visiblink & helpful supporting links
> Post 15: Frank;  Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless' 
> 
> OK Frank. After you "drawing first blood" twice, you _finally_ add a
> purposefully helpful comment, or so it seems.
> 
> However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
> one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
> *obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
>  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync>
> 1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
> 2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
> 3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others
> 4. It is limited to a shared folder(s?) on your PC
>    - You press "Add Computer"
>    - It scans for computers but fails on "Netbios" (predictably), saying
>      "Netbios name not available (port 137 is blocked)"
>      "Sync may not function properly"
> 5. This message goes on for about 250 IP addresses...
>    192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5, ... 192.168.1.253
> 6. I run an ipconfig on the desktop, which reports 192.168.1.22
> 7. I enter the following into the SyncMe Wireless GUI:
>    Computer Name: 192.168.1.22
>    Domain: 192.168.1.22
>    User: uname
>    Password: passwd
> 8. I press "OK"; it says 
>    "Validating computer information, it may take a few seconds"
> 9. It says: "Connection reset"
> 10. I try again (sometimes, with computers that matters), but it says:
>    "Unexpected error class java.to.StreamCorruptedException"
> 
> I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere... (the wife is
> calling me)... 
> 

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#57626 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

In message <psqd6g$m58$1@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> 
writes:
>PLEASE STOP, YOU TWO!!!

+1!
>
>arlen michael holder wrote on 11/17/2018 5:54 PM:
>> On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Imagine a world with no hypothetical situations...

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#57629 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 03:57:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> +1!

Hi J. P. Gilliver, 

What would _you_ do, if someone repeatedly...
o Begins the insults
o And then accuses _you_ of being one who began the insults?

Bear in mind, the circumstances are that you _never_ begin the insults.
Hence, that person _always_ begins the insults (in every single instance!).

And yet, repeatedly, that person accuses _you_ of beginning the insults!

What would _you_ do, in that case, John?

HINT: What I did was simply go to the thread, post by post, to prove that
it's _always_ that other person who does _exactly_ what that other person
accuses me of.

Most of the time I just ignore it.
But that just emboldens the other person to accuse me of doing what _they_
are doing (time and again).

*What would _you_ do, John, if this happened time and time and time again?*

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#57632 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE!

arlen michael holder wrote on 11/18/2018 11:14 AM:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 03:57:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> 
>> +1!
> 
> Hi J. P. Gilliver, 
> 
> What would _you_ do, if someone repeatedly...
> o Begins the insults
> o And then accuses _you_ of being one who began the insults?
> 
> Bear in mind, the circumstances are that you _never_ begin the insults.
> Hence, that person _always_ begins the insults (in every single instance!).
> 
> And yet, repeatedly, that person accuses _you_ of beginning the insults!
> 
> What would _you_ do, in that case, John?
> 
> HINT: What I did was simply go to the thread, post by post, to prove that
> it's _always_ that other person who does _exactly_ what that other person
> accuses me of.
> 
> Most of the time I just ignore it.
> But that just emboldens the other person to accuse me of doing what _they_
> are doing (time and again).
> 
> *What would _you_ do, John, if this happened time and time and time again?*
> 

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#57624 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:54:25 -0000 (UTC), arlen michael holder wrote:

> I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere..

Since I only deal with reality, here are the screenshots:
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4423528syncme01.jpg>

Downloaded and installed...
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync>
   "Copy, move, sync and backup your mp3, pictures and documents 
    over WiFi, USB tethering, cellular VPN or wired network 
    to your computer or NAS device."

These are the errors I get using SyncMe on my network:
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8394922syncme02.jpg>

Yes, the desktops each have a shared folder with login known to me.

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#57631 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> wrote:

[...]

  I'm out of here. I can well do without your continuous
misrepresentations, outright lies, insults, 'justification' of your
abuse, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

  Just one short and final remark which hopefully makes you see how far
off track you are at - sadly many - times:

[...]

> Post 15: Frank;  Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless' 
[...]
> However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
> one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
> *obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
>  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync>
> 1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
> 2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
> 3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others

  Earth to 'Arlen': My post *started* with:

<quote>

[This response is not about backing up APKs, but about backup/syncing in
general:]

</quote>

  See the word "not"!? So *of course* it wasn't about 1./2./3.. I *said*
it wasn't about that!

[...]

  EOD.

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#57641 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On 18 Nov 2018 19:14:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> [This response is not about backing up APKs, but about backup/syncing in
> general:]

Frank,
You don't remember your own words, Frank.
You complained that I *ignored* your "solution", remember.

That's the whole point, Frank!
a. It had nothing to do with the APK backup, so it wasn't a solution, and, 
b. It doesn't work anyway.
   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4423528syncme01.jpg>
   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8394922syncme02.jpg>

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#57658 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2018 19:14:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> > [This response is not about backing up APKs, but about backup/syncing in
> > general:]
> 
> Frank,
> You don't remember your own words, Frank.

  Yes, I do. You OTOH don't know/remember left from right.

> You complained that I *ignored* your "solution", remember.

  Yes, but that was for a *different* issue (than *both* APK backup
*and* general backup). If you think otherwise, then *prove* it with a
direct quote (and URL of that source).

> That's the whole point, Frank!
> a. It had nothing to do with the APK backup, so it wasn't a solution, and, 

  Of course it wasn't. I *said* so, didn't I!?

> b. It doesn't work anyway.
>    <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4423528syncme01.jpg>
>    <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8394922syncme02.jpg>

  It works fine for me, but then I'm severely hindered by actual
expertise, experience, intelligence, etc., not to mention knowing how to
do research and troubleshoot.

  I think your screenshots give clues as to what may be causing your
problems. But I'm afraid you'll have to figure it out for yourself. You
no longer - if you ever did - deserve any further help from me, or
anybody for that matter.

  Have fun.

  EOD.

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#57642 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On 18 Nov 2018 19:14:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> [This response is not about backing up APKs, but about backup/syncing in
> general:]

Frank,
You don't remember your own words, Frank.
You complained that I *ignored* your "solution", remember.

And yet, you never once provided a solution.

That's the whole point, Frank!
a. What you say I "ignored" had absolutely nothing to do with the APK
backup, so it wasn't a solution, and, 
b. It doesn't work anyway.
   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4423528syncme01.jpg>
   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8394922syncme02.jpg>

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#57637 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 17/11/2018 22.14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> wrote:


(Trimming uninteresting (to me) stuff)


...
>>> <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
...
>   It's a news URL. The message-ID is the part after 'news:'.
>   
>   I've asked you before if you knew what a news URL is. You dodged the
> question and hence missed an opportunity to learn. So now you failed
> again. There's a lesson there somewhere.
> 
>   So here we go:
> 
>   A news URL can have several formats. The format used here is:
> 
> <news:message-ID>
> 
>   '<' and '>' are the normal URL delimiters.
> 
>   'news:' indicates that it's a news (NetNews) URL, in the same vein
> (sp?) as 'http:' indicates a 'web' URL.
> 
>   Note that I spelled 'message-ID' with a lower case 'm', because it is
> the *content* of the 'Message-ID:' header, not the name of the header.
> 
>   It's less ambiguous to use '<news:MID>', but if one uses that, most
> people ask "What does 'MID' mean?" and the whole thing starts over
> again.
> 
>   So specifically:
> 
>   The header in my post is:
> 
> Message-ID: <pspvm9.7tc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> 
>   From that we take the 'message-ID/MID':
> 
> <pspvm9.7tc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> 
>   And now we convert the 'message-ID/MID' into a news URL by
> inserting/prepending 'news:':
> 
> <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> 
>   Which is what I gave you.

Thanks :-)


I knew most of that, but not in explicit form.

I'm not new to "nntp", but I'm not an old hand here - mainly because I
did not have a modem nor a phone line to use it with till nearly this
century, so the explanation is interesting to me.


...
>   Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
> your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
> expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
> showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
> showing webpages!?
> 
>   Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
> 'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.

Ok, this is interesting to me. How do I tell my news reader,
Thunderbird, to find a message by knowing the URL?  Because my
Thunderbird can only search (quick filter button) by "sender",
"recipient", or "subject". The body is not downloaded, so it can not
actually search there, it finds nothing. The button for "body" is there,
but does not work.

If Thunderbird caches contents (mine does not), then it searches bodies.


Instead, as I use Leafnode as local nntp proxy, I can go to
"/var/spool/news/message.id/*", where the "*" goes from "000" to "999".
Then I can use "find" or "mc" to find a particular file (as I do not
know how to deduce the "*" number).

So searching for file "<pspvm9.7tc.1*"  (yes, with the '<' included) I
may be lucky and find it - but it will only search in my local copy, not
on my "provider" news spool; thus if the message is old and thus purged
I will not find it.


Not found, after four minutes - I forgot to untick "using shell
patterns" in "mc", the '<' in the filename interferes.

Searching instead for "*pql56t.8k8*" finds it.

It is this file:

/var/spool/news/message.id/927/<pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

and now I can read it, but not in any news reader, but in "mc".


Do you have some direct method to find a news url more directly,
preferably searching directly on outside news server, not my local
cached copy?



>   In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
> the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
> up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.


Well, I go to Edit/Find/search messages, select "message-ID", then enter
the MID, and tick "run search on server" (an option I did not see years
before), then it does the search fast enough.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57660 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/11/2018 22.14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]

> ...
> >   Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
> > your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
> > expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
> > showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
> > showing webpages!?
> > 
> >   Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
> > 'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.
> 
> Ok, this is interesting to me. How do I tell my news reader,
> Thunderbird, to find a message by knowing the URL?  Because my
> Thunderbird can only search (quick filter button) by "sender",
> "recipient", or "subject". The body is not downloaded, so it can not
> actually search there, it finds nothing. The button for "body" is there,
> but does not work.

  As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.

  Note 'should'. I tried it yesterday and I can't get it to work. I've
set up TB's 'System Integration', (Windows) 'Internet Options'
(Programs (Set programs)) and 'Associate a file type or protocol with a
program', but it doesn't work.

  This used to work out-of-the-box with Outlook Express (when putting
the news URL in *Internet Explorer*'s URL box).

  The specific setting which *should* (IMO) do the trick, but doesn't
work for me is this (English Windows 8.1 version):

Control Panel -> Programs -> Default Programs -> Associate a file type
or protocol with a program

  This gives a very long list, first for all the 'Extensions' and at the
end for all the 'Protocols'.

  I the 'Protocols' list, there should be an entry:

Name	Description		Current Default
----	---------------------	---------------
NEWS	Thunderbird (News) URL	Thunderbird

  That implies that a news URL should be handled by Thunderbird, but
when I click on a news URL *in* TB, TB does not handle it, let alone
that a news URL *outside* TB will be handled by TB.

  If by any chance, you do not get the above entry in the 'Protocols'
list, then check this:

Thunderbird -> Tools -> Options -> 'Advanced' tab -> System Integration
-> Check Now...

  The 'System Integration' popup should say:

"Use Thunderbird as the default client for:
 V Email
 V Newsgroups"

  If you do not get this list, let me know.

  Sorry to be of so little help. As I said, it used to work for OE
(+IE).

  If anyone know how to get this to work for Thunderbird, please let us
 know.

[...]

> >   In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
> > the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
> > up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.
> 
> 
> Well, I go to Edit/Find/search messages, select "message-ID", then enter
> the MID, and tick "run search on server" (an option I did not see years
> before), then it does the search fast enough.

  Great! Thanks! I think I looked for something like that, but
apparently not good enough.

  So that's at least a workaround. It's still a search instead of a
direct lookup, but it's better than nothing.

  Now we 'only' need someone who can show us how to teach TB to do a
direct lookup of a news URL.

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#57670 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <psuct2.5u0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> 
>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
> 
>   Note 'should'. I tried it yesterday and I can't get it to work. I've
> set up TB's 'System Integration', (Windows) 'Internet Options'
> (Programs (Set programs)) and 'Associate a file type or protocol with a
> program', but it doesn't work.

that's because thunderbird is a buggy mess.



>   Now we 'only' need someone who can show us how to teach TB to do a
> direct lookup of a news URL.

it's open source. feel free to fix it (along with its numerous other
problems).

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#57673 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 19/11/2018 13.13, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17/11/2018 22.14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> ...
>>>   Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
>>> your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
>>> expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
>>> showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
>>> showing webpages!?
>>>
>>>   Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
>>> 'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.
>>
>> Ok, this is interesting to me. How do I tell my news reader,
>> Thunderbird, to find a message by knowing the URL?  Because my
>> Thunderbird can only search (quick filter button) by "sender",
>> "recipient", or "subject". The body is not downloaded, so it can not
>> actually search there, it finds nothing. The button for "body" is there,
>> but does not work.
> 
>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.

It doesn't here.

Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.

> 
>   Note 'should'. I tried it yesterday and I can't get it to work. I've
> set up TB's 'System Integration', (Windows) 'Internet Options'
> (Programs (Set programs)) and 'Associate a file type or protocol with a
> program', but it doesn't work.
> 
>   This used to work out-of-the-box with Outlook Express (when putting
> the news URL in *Internet Explorer*'s URL box).
> 
>   The specific setting which *should* (IMO) do the trick, but doesn't
> work for me is this (English Windows 8.1 version):
> 
> Control Panel -> Programs -> Default Programs -> Associate a file type
> or protocol with a program
> 
>   This gives a very long list, first for all the 'Extensions' and at the
> end for all the 'Protocols'.
> 
>   I the 'Protocols' list, there should be an entry:
> 
> Name	Description		Current Default
> ----	---------------------	---------------
> NEWS	Thunderbird (News) URL	Thunderbird
> 
>   That implies that a news URL should be handled by Thunderbird, but
> when I click on a news URL *in* TB, TB does not handle it, let alone
> that a news URL *outside* TB will be handled by TB.
> 
>   If by any chance, you do not get the above entry in the 'Protocols'
> list, then check this:
> 
> Thunderbird -> Tools -> Options -> 'Advanced' tab -> System Integration
> -> Check Now...
> 
>   The 'System Integration' popup should say:
> 
> "Use Thunderbird as the default client for:
>  V Email
>  V Newsgroups"
> 
>   If you do not get this list, let me know.
> 
>   Sorry to be of so little help. As I said, it used to work for OE
> (+IE).
> 
>   If anyone know how to get this to work for Thunderbird, please let us
>  know.
> 
> [...]


Well, I forced "thunderbird", and did nothing (Linux here, but should
not matter much).



> 
>>>   In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
>>> the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
>>> up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.
>>
>>
>> Well, I go to Edit/Find/search messages, select "message-ID", then enter
>> the MID, and tick "run search on server" (an option I did not see years
>> before), then it does the search fast enough.
> 
>   Great! Thanks! I think I looked for something like that, but
> apparently not good enough.
> 
>   So that's at least a workaround. It's still a search instead of a
> direct lookup, but it's better than nothing.
> 
>   Now we 'only' need someone who can show us how to teach TB to do a
> direct lookup of a news URL.
> 

I think I tried on this or another computer some weeks back, and it
launched firefox, which did nothing or complained, I don't remember for
sure.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57674 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <m4vacf-sbi.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
> 
> It doesn't here.
> 
> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.

normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
thunderbird.

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#57679 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
news:191120181013335138%nospam@nospam.invalid Mon, 19 Nov 2018
15:13:33 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> In article <m4vacf-sbi.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> >   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
>> 
>> It doesn't here.
>> 
>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say
>> what application to open it with (choose other application). And
>> it does not suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
> 
> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
> thunderbird.

Aye. It's been a known issue with thunderchicken for years. Never 
fixed, amongst other things. Xnews has it's own share of.. unique 
gotchas, but, as long as the server actually has the article, it'll 
pull it up via clicking the news url link.

Despite Xnews data files not being officially documented, they're easy 
to reverse engineer and I like that. It also looks alot like 
NewsXpress, and, I used that for years prior.. so...



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