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Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick?

Started byYousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>
First post2018-10-06 21:32 -0400
Last post2018-10-07 20:09 -0700
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  Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400
    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 13:40 +0200
      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 08:30 -0400
        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 15:20 +0200
        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 15:58 +0200
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:54 +0200
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-07 20:55 +0200
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:06 +0200
                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:40 +0000
                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 19:02 -0400
                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:49 +0000
                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 04:33 +0200
                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:22 -0400
                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 12:49 -0400
                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:01 +0200
                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 19:48 -0400
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 02:55 +0200
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:19 -0400
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:41 +0200
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:45 -0700
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 16:50 +0200
                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:24 -0700
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 11:27 -0400
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:08 +0200
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 17:58 +0200
                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:50 +0200
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:00 -0700
                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:06 +0200
                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:00 -0400
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:31 -0400
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:53 +0200
                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:38 -0400
                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 21:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 22:39 -0400
                                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 19:47 -0700
                                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:38 -0700
                                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
                                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:25 -0700
                                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 14:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:56 -0700
                                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 15:18 -0700
                                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 19:02 -0400
                                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 18:47 -0700
                                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 19:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 02:46 -0700
                                                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 09:42 -0700
                                                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 10:14 -0700
                                                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 11:39 -0700
                                                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 17:05 -0700
                                                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 18:30 -0700
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-12 06:59 +0200
                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:33 -0700
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 15:46 -0400
                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 22:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 20:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:13 -0400
                                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 16:32 -0700
                                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-15 14:39 -0400
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:38 -0700
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:04 -0400
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:59 +0200
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:46 -0700
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:08 -0700
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:07 -0400
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:48 -0700
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:43 +0200
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:16 -0700
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 23:09 +0200
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:46 -0700
                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 12:51 +0200
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 14:03 +0000
                                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:12 +0200
                                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:02 +0000
                                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:01 +0200
                                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 15:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:07 -0700
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:23 -0700
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:18 -0400
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:35 -0700
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:11 -0400
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:25 -0700
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:50 +0200
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:24 -0400
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0200
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:34 -0700
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0200
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:47 -0700
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:11 +0200
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:09 +0200
                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:08 -0400
                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:10 +0200
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:11 +0000
                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0200
                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:36 -0400
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0200
                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:21 -0400
                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:39 +0200
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:44 -0700
                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:30 -0400
                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:35 -0700
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-10-11 10:44 -0400
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200
                                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 01:46 -0400
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:52 -0700
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:11 +0200
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:36 -0700
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:50 -0700
                                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 12:19 -0400
                                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:17 -0400
                                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:17 -0700
                                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:26 -0700
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:10 -0400
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:32 +0000
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:08 -0400
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-08 06:30 +0200
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:49 +0200
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:39 +0200
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:24 -0400
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:09 -0400
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:31 +0200
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0400
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:45 +0200
                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-08 03:40 -0400
                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:56 +0200
                      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:32 -0400
                        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:45 +0200
                          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 13:32 -0400
                            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:12 +0200
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:22 +0000
                                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-10-10 12:01 +0300
                                  Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:16 +0200
                              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:38 -0400
                    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-08 07:47 -0700
      Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2018-10-07 13:04 -0400
        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 17:28 +0000
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-07 18:50 +0100
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:26 +0200
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
        Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:34 +0200
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:46 +0200
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:13 +0000
              Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:46 +0200
                Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:52 +0000
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:17 -0400
          Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
            Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:48 +0200
    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 17:29 -0700
    Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700

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#56535

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-12 01:38 -0700
Message-ID<pppmhj$5ml$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56528
On 10/11/2018 7:47 PM, 123456789 wrote:

<snip>

> However things are different now. They sold me my current Motorola at
> the full $630 price and my phone service is charged separately. NO
> contract. I currently pay $20/mo for my line and $35/mo for 2GB of data
> for a total of $55/mo. (That includes the usual nationwide (US) free
> roaming and unlimited talk and text.)

$55 plus taxes and fees for 2GB of data? OMG. In my area, the taxes and 
fees add about another 20% so that plan would be $66 per month.

For $20.75 per month (taxes and fees included), you can get 2GB of LTE 
data, unlimited low-speed data, plus the usual nationwide (US) free 
roaming and unlimited talk and text, on Verizon's network 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/132310276900>.

However there are caveats:
      1. You have to pay for a whole year of service at once to get that
         price but even the 30 day plan is only $30 per month
         <https://www.ebay.com/itm/131953089331>
      2. No international or domestic roaming
      3. No Wi-Fi calling (yet)

These were caveats I could live with because:
      1. The cost savings are enormous by paying for a whole year at
         once.
      2. I use either global SIM cards or country-specific SIM cards when
         traveling outside the country and Verizon's native coverage is
         so pervasive that it's extremely rare I would ever need to roam
         domestically
      3. Using Google Voice you always have Wi-Fi calling (though you
         would not be getting incoming calls to your cellular number).

They don't throttle data (until you reach your high-speed limit). I just 
checked and I got 63.0 Mb/s down, 28.5 Mb/s up.

VoLTE calling works, but you have to contact RedPocket to turn it on.

Actually it can be less than $20.75. eBay periodically has 15% off sales 
so you could get it for $17.64 per month.

Amazon also sells RedPocket and is an even better deal (but no 15% off 
sales).

For $255 per year you get 3GB of LTE data, unlimited low-speed data, 
plus the usual nationwide (US) free roaming and unlimited talk and text, 
on Verizon's network <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D50H1L2>. For 30 days 
of service it's more, $29.75 per month 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D50H0WM>

They send you SIM cards for all four U.S. networks, you just use the one 
you want, but you wouldn't buy this plan for T-Mobile or AT&T because 
they have plans with more data that work on T-Mobile or AT&T but not on 
Verizon or Sprint.

The other caveat is that Verizon won't finance a phone unless you have 
Verizon service. So you have to either pay for a phone in full or 
finance it through Apple or Samsung or other direct seller if they exist.

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#56553

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
Message-ID<ppql4i$m8h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56535
On 10/12/2018 1:38 AM, sms wrote:
> On 10/11/2018 7:47 PM, 123456789 wrote:

> [123456789 pays] $55 plus taxes and fees for 2GB of data? OMG.

The $55/mo was the Verizon price for one phone. There are two phones in
my house so for the following comparison my actual cost per phone is
$37.50/mo.

($20/phone x 2 + $35 shared data = $75 total. $75/2 = $37.50 per phone)

> For $20.75 per month (taxes and fees included),

Paying by the month as I do brings Red Pocket up to $30/mo

Doing the math Red Pocket would save me 25 cents a day. Hell, I spend 5
bucks a day on sodas... ;)

> you can get 2GB of LTE data, unlimited low-speed data,

I have faux unlimited now. I never come close to my 2GB limit. So FOR ME
unlimited data is completely unnecessary.

> [Red Pocket has] No Wi-Fi calling (yet)

WiFi calling has saved my butt on numerous occasions, usually when I'm
stuck in a room deep inside a hotel.

> The cost savings are enormous by paying for a whole year

I have never liked contracts. Paying a year ahead and being locked into
a one year contract are the same IMO. If things go south I like the
ability to leave IMMEDIATELY.

> Verizon's native coverage is so pervasive that it's extremely rare I 
> would ever need to roam domestically

Yep. Verizon's coverage is great. More than once I've been the only
one in a group with a signal.

> Using Google Voice you always have Wi-Fi calling (though you would 
> not be getting incoming calls to your cellular number).

A hassle I'm not willing to do for a 25 cent/day discount. YMMV.

> Amazon also sells RedPocket and is an even better deal

Some of the Red Pocket reviews on Amazon aren't that great. I certainly
wouldn't want some of those hassles. I've never had one problem with
Verizon since I got my first analog cell phone many years ago. That's
worth much more than 25 cents a day TO ME. YMMV.

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#56560

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-12 12:25 -0700
Message-ID<ppqsf2$dnm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56553
On 10/12/2018 10:20 AM, 123456789 wrote:

<snip>

> Some of the Red Pocket reviews on Amazon aren't that great. I certainly
> wouldn't want some of those hassles. I've never had one problem with
> Verizon since I got my first analog cell phone many years ago. That's
> worth much more than 25 cents a day TO ME. YMMV.

Interesting math.

The reality is that since you've been with Verizon since the days of 
AMPS you're pretty safe in committing to 12 months of service 
considering the enormous cost savings.

You're currently paying $37.50 plus taxes and fees per line, so it's 
probably about $45 per line (it would be more in my area where taxes and 
fees are about 23% but I used 20%).

2GB on RedPocket is as low as $17.64 per line so you're spending about 
$27 more per line per month, or about $657 more per year for two lines.

As much as you may like Verizon as a company, that's $657 a year that 
you might be able to put to better use.


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#56564

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-12 14:51 -0700
Message-ID<ppr505$1g6p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56560
On 10/12/2018 12:25 PM, sms wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 10:20 AM, 123456789 wrote:

>> Some of the Red Pocket reviews on Amazon aren't that great. I 
>> certainly wouldn't want some of those hassles. I've never had one 
>> problem with Verizon since I got my first analog cell phone many 
>> years ago. That's worth much more than 25 cents a day TO ME. YMMV.

> Interesting math.

True math. If you found anything wrong with it I'm sure you would have
said something more than "Interesting math".

> The reality is that since you've been with Verizon since the days of
>  AMPS you're pretty safe in committing to 12 months of service

I hated the contracts and am glad they're gone. Course I did like those
"cheap" phones... ;)

> You're currently paying $37.50 plus taxes and fees per line

Taxes and fees vary by jurisdiction. I left them off for a valid one on
one comparison.

> 2GB on RedPocket is as low as $17.64 per line so you're spending 
> about $27 more per line per month,

I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any of
their $1 USB cables either.

> or about $657 more per year for two line

$657 sounds like a lot until you figure I spend around $1500/yr on sodas...

> As much as you may like Verizon as a company, that's $657 a year that
> you might be able to put to better use.

28 one star (really bad) reviews out of 35 is not worth it TO ME at any 
price. YMMV.

> https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.redpocket.com

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#56565

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-12 14:56 -0700
Message-ID<ppr5b2$14g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56564
On 10/12/2018 02:51 PM, 123456789 wrote:

> I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any of
> their $1 USB cables either.

Should have gone to the 99-Cents-Only Store;  theirs work fine!

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    If he had any brains, he'd take them out and play with them.

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#56567

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-12 15:18 -0700
Message-ID<ppr6kh$85n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56565
On 10/12/2018 2:56 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 02:51 PM, 123456789 wrote:

>> I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any
>> of their $1 USB cables

> Should have gone to the 99-Cents-Only Store;  theirs work fine!

Perhaps. Watch out for the cheap USB-C cables though. They can kill your
stuff.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/cheap-usb-c-cables-could-kill-your-phone-or-laptop/


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#56568

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-12 19:02 -0400
Message-ID<121020181902549795%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#56567
In article <ppr6kh$85n$1@dont-email.me>, 123456789 <12345@12345.com>
wrote:

> 
> >> I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any
> >> of their $1 USB cables
> 
> > Should have gone to the 99-Cents-Only Store;  theirs work fine!
> 
> Perhaps. Watch out for the cheap USB-C cables though. They can kill your
> stuff.

yep, and cheap usb-a cables may not work correctly, although unlikely
to cause damage.

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#56575

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-12 17:35 -0700
Message-ID<pprekt$fes$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56565
On 10/12/2018 2:56 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 02:51 PM, 123456789 wrote:
> 
>> I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any of
>> their $1 USB cables either.
> 
> Should have gone to the 99-Cents-Only Store;  theirs work fine!

I've found that the el-cheapo 28AWG cables don't work well for fast 
charging. The 22AWG cables are about $2 each.


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#56579

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-12 18:47 -0700
Message-ID<ppriro$vka$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56564
On 10/12/2018 2:51 PM, 123456789 wrote:

<snip>

> I hated the contracts and am glad they're gone. Course I did like those
> "cheap" phones... ;)

No one has said anything about contracts.

>> You're currently paying $37.50 plus taxes and fees per line
> 
> Taxes and fees vary by jurisdiction. I left them off for a valid one on
> one comparison.

What you did was not valid because most prepaid carriers bundle in the 
taxes and fees. It's a significant additional cost on postpaid.

>> 2GB on RedPocket is as low as $17.64 per line so you're spending about 
>> $27 more per line per month,
> 
> I was in the Dollar Tree store a few hours ago. I didn't buy any of
> their $1 USB cables either.

Good decision.

>> or about $657 more per year for two line
> 
> $657 sounds like a lot until you figure I spend around $1500/yr on sodas...

What do sodas have to do with the price of butter in China or throwing 
away $657 per year?

But since you mentioned sodas I can help you there too. It's an initial 
investment of about $200 but you'll save a lot of money. See 
<https://tinyurl.com/carbonation2>. Forget the Soda Stream.

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#56584

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-12 19:59 -0700
Message-ID<pprn3d$7jb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56579
On 10/12/2018 6:47 PM, sms wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 2:51 PM, 123456789 wrote:

>> I hated the contracts and am glad they're gone.

> No one has said anything about contracts.

I was responding to your sentence (which you snipped): "The reality is
that since you've been with Verizon since the days of AMPS you're pretty
safe in committing to 12 months of service."

"Committing to 12 months of service" = CONTRACT. Or 12 months of PREPAY
which is the same thing. With either you lose money if you want to leave
early for lousy service.

>> Taxes and fees vary by jurisdiction. I left them off for a valid 
>> one on one comparison.

> What you did was not valid because most prepaid carriers bundle in 
> the taxes and fees. It's a significant additional cost on postpaid.

The Red Pocket plan I was using for comparison clearly says: $30 + Taxes
& Regulatory Fees.

https://www.redpocket.com/plan/add/M030

>> $657 sounds like a lot until you figure I spend around $1500/yr on 
>> sodas...

> What do sodas have to do with the price of butter in China or 
> throwing away $657 per year?

I consider the cost of my daily sodas ($4+) chump change. However when
they add up to a yearly cost of $1500 it seems much worse than it really
is. Same for your $675/yr Red Pocket savings. Especially when the
savings gets me the hassle and lousy service that those poor Red Pocket
customers in the reviews were put through. No thanks.

> But since you mentioned sodas I can help you there too. It's an 
> initial investment of about $200 but you'll save a lot of money. See 
> <https://tinyurl.com/carbonation2>. Forget the Soda Stream.

Won't work for me. I drink my sodas when out and about. And when the
temperature is over 110F as it often is here my soda bill actually goes
up... 8-O

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#56597

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-13 02:46 -0700
Message-ID<ppseta$v8b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56584
On 10/12/2018 7:59 PM, 123456789 wrote:

> The Red Pocket plan I was using for comparison clearly says: $30 + Taxes
> & Regulatory Fees.
> 
> https://www.redpocket.com/plan/add/M030

There are no taxes and fees on Red Pocket. They are included. At least 
when you buy the service from Amazon or eBay.

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#56626

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-13 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<ppt795$kbl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56597
On 10/13/2018 2:46 AM, sms wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 7:59 PM, 123456789 wrote:

>> The Red Pocket plan I was using for comparison clearly says: $30 + 
>> Taxes & Regulatory Fees.

> There are no taxes and fees on Red Pocket.

Put on your specs and check the OFFICIAL Red Pocket site again. Though
they are sneaky and make it teeny tiny it clearly says "+ Taxes &
Regulatory Fees".

https://www.redpocket.com/plan/add/M030

> They are included.

Apparently NOT at the OFFICIAL Red Pocket site. And where better to go
for an OFFICIAL Red Pocket price comparison?

> At least when you buy the service from Amazon or eBay.

OK. Just to make you feel better I've recalculated with my taxes/fees
included. Turns out I would now save a whopping 30 cents a day for an
apparently really really lousy service. Whoopee... ;)

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.redpocket.com

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#56660

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-14 10:14 -0700
Message-ID<ppvtib$kur$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56626
On 10/13/2018 9:42 AM, 123456789 wrote:
> On 10/13/2018 2:46 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 10/12/2018 7:59 PM, 123456789 wrote:
> 
>>> The Red Pocket plan I was using for comparison clearly says: $30 + 
>>> Taxes & Regulatory Fees.
> 
>> There are no taxes and fees on Red Pocket.
> 
> Put on your specs and check the OFFICIAL Red Pocket site again. Though
> they are sneaky and make it teeny tiny it clearly says "+ Taxes &
> Regulatory Fees".

Sigh.

There are no extra fees when purchasing through Amazon or eBay.

I put together a spreadsheet on this which may help you.

Actually I was wrong, sorry. I was comparing the Verizon 2GB shared data 
plan which you have, to 2GB-3GB each line on RedPocket. Your savings 
would actually be greater than I originally stated with the RedPocket 
1GB/line plan.

If you paid RedPocket yearly, and took advantage of the periodic 15% 
discounts, your savings for two lines would be $782 per year, $65 per 
month, $2.14 per day.

If you paid RedPocket every 90 days, and didn't take advantage of the 
periodic 15% discounts, your savings for two lines would be $520 per 
year, $43 per month, $1.43 per day.

I did not do any comparisons to the cost of soda.

While this data will be of no interest to you, others may be interested 
in the comparison.

Spreadsheet is at:
<https://tinyurl.com/RedPocketVersusVerizon> or
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S3dzK5xmqxbBG4GRb7QiPwDYiR_266BHTX_Sv8d252E>

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#56667

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-14 11:39 -0700
Message-ID<pq02g9$104e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56660
On 10/14/2018 10:14 AM, sms wrote:
> On 10/13/2018 9:42 AM, 123456789 wrote:

> There are no extra fees when purchasing through Amazon or eBay.

IN MY EARLIER POST (Look 1 back):

To satisfy you I had recalculated adding my taxes and fees to make the
Amazon/eBay Red Pocket comparison fair. The difference was DAILY chump
change (IMO).

> If you paid RedPocket yearly...

IN MY EARLIER POST (Look 3 back):

Committing to 12 months of service = CONTRACT. Or 12 months of PREPAY
which is the same thing. With either you lose money if you want to leave
early for lousy service.

> If you paid RedPocket [xxx] your savings for two lines would be 
> [xxx].

IN MY EARLIER POST (Look 4 back):

28 one star (really bad) reviews out of 35 is not worth it AT ANY PRICE.

> I did not do any comparisons to the cost of soda.

Too bad. It helps to bring costs into perspective when they are compared
to the costs of the really important things in life...

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#56691

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-14 17:05 -0700
Message-ID<pq0ll5$31d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56667
On 10/14/2018 11:39 AM, 123456789 wrote:

<snip>

> Too bad. It helps to bring costs into perspective when they are compared
> to the costs of the really important things in life...

Just think about how much more soda you could buy with the $520-782 
yearly savings!

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#56692

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-14 18:30 -0700
Message-ID<pq0qjh$37b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56691
On 10/14/2018 5:05 PM, sms wrote:

> Just think about how much more soda you could buy

Not sure the kidneys can handle any more than the current soda load.

> with the $520-782 [Red Pocket] yearly savings!

And when they finally do give out, I'm gonna need a RELIABLE phone
service to call for help... ;)

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#56531

FromJoerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date2018-10-12 06:59 +0200
Message-ID<ppp9nt$59t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56508
Am 11.10.18 um 19:11 schrieb 123456789:
> On 10/11/2018 6:38 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> 
>> the majority have no idea what their phones cost, they're not paying
>> for it up front so it stays out of their minds.
> 
> Kinda like buying a car or house. And where would the economy be without
> time payments?

More solid and debt free. But this can never be achieved when the 
government is showing how to spend money of future generations today.

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#56517

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2018-10-11 12:33 -0700
Message-ID<ppo8hp$2ib$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56502
On 10/11/2018 6:38 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 10/11/2018 7:53 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> It's changing now, the laws in Canada have now made many of those
>>> practices illegal, but people are still mostly comfortable with getting
>>> their phones through their carrier, as the upfront cost is minimal.
>>> You'll see most people have $400-$1000 phones here.
>> Yes, that surprised me, seeing people using so expensive phones.
> 
> It's because the majority have no idea what their phones cost, they're 
> not paying for it up front so it stays out of their minds.
> 
> If the buy-your-own phone culture was more prevalent here, then most 
> people would be much more price conscious.
> 
>      Yousuf Khan

In the early days of cell phones, in California, it was illegal to 
require activation and a contract when selling phones. It was driving 
stores like Radio Shack crazy. Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s 
this law was changed. Without subsidized phones the cellular industry 
would never have flourished the way it has.

I think that one thing that has really also helped is the fact that "in 
the olden days" people were spending quite a bit of money each month on 
"long-distance" calls, but when the cell phone industry did not 
distinguish between local and long distance it helped mitigate the cost 
of having a mobile phone, along with not deducting minutes for 
"in-network" calls.

I also recall when people in my area were driving to Sacramento to buy 
phones and service because AT&T began offering included nationwide 
roaming on their "AT&T One Rate" plan, while the Bay Area carriers, 
Cellular One and GTE Mobilnet, were not including roaming. AT&T was 
upset about this because people with the non-local phones were roaming 
almost 100% of the time. See 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/sacramento$20roaming$20Cellular$20One$20AT$26T$20Bay$20Area/alt.cellular.nokia/f2UaS7UqT3w/uGch1Lm27ekJ> 
for an old discussion of this.

Eventually AT&T took over the Cellular One network 
<https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/AT-T-Buying-Cell-One-Ma-Bell-entering-Bay-Area-2770042.php>. 
This was the old AT&T Wireless, not Cingular which in California took 
over the old Pac Bell Wireless GSM network and then took over AT&T and 
renamed itself AT&T and sold off the GSM network to T-Mobile.


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#56519

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-11 15:46 -0400
Message-ID<111020181546487593%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#56517
In article <ppo8hp$2ib$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I think that one thing that has really also helped is the fact that "in 
> the olden days" people were spending quite a bit of money each month on 
> "long-distance" calls, but when the cell phone industry did not 
> distinguish between local and long distance it helped mitigate the cost 
> of having a mobile phone, along with not deducting minutes for 
> "in-network" calls.

originally, analog cellphones charged long distance fees (with choice
of long distance carrier, just like landlines) as well as roaming fees
when outside one's home area, which were $3/day on any day calls were
made or received (no data/text back then).

roaming also had to be manually activated, otherwise incoming calls
went to a reorder. that later became automatic with follow-me roaming,
except that didn't always work. there were also inbound roaming trunks
into which one could call wherever the receiving party was located to
avoid triggering roaming fees (usually xxx-roam, or 7626), normally a
long distance call for the caller.

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#56507

From123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Message-ID<ppo07l$f1k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56496
On 10/11/2018 4:53 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 11/10/2018 08.00, Yousuf Khan wrote:

>> people are still mostly comfortable with getting their phones
>> through their carrier, as the upfront cost is minimal. You'll see
>> most people have $400-$1000 phones here.

> Yes, that surprised me, seeing people using so expensive phones.

It's always good to have a large phone selection to choose from (says
one who bought a $600+ phone from Verizon). In my case the Motorola's
shatterproof screen sold me. I had/have a bad history with screens. So
far this phone has saved me hundreds. I'm past the two year mark now and
if I keep it long enough, and drop it enough, maybe it eventually will
save me enough to be a free phone... ;)

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