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From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?

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  From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-11 19:43 +0000
    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-11 19:48 +0000
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-11 20:19 +0000
    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-12 08:11 +0200
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 13:50 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-12 18:39 +0200
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 17:58 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2018-10-12 13:11 -0500
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 23:05 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-12 15:14 -0400
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 23:13 +0000
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-12 19:40 -0400
                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 00:40 +0000
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 10:16 -0400
                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 14:24 +0000
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 11:08 -0400
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 15:28 +0000
                            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 11:46 -0400
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 16:09 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-12 23:15 +0200
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 23:17 +0000
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-13 09:04 +0200
                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:54 +0000
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 14:32 +0000
                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 15:25 +0000
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 15:54 +0000
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-14 01:00 +0000
                            Advice for Arlen Holder MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2018-10-14 14:19 +0100
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Sam Hill <sam@example.com> - 2018-10-12 19:23 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-12 23:33 +0200
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2018-10-12 15:15 -0700
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 23:31 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 23:26 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-10-12 15:50 -0500
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 00:47 +0000
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Danny DeVito <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2018-10-12 20:59 -0400
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 02:08 +0000
                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Danny DeVito <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2018-10-12 22:30 -0400
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 02:38 +0000
                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-13 10:18 +0200
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:27 +0000
                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-13 18:11 +0200
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 16:28 +0000
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-13 18:56 +0200
                            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 21:06 +0000
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-14 00:13 +0200
                                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 23:43 +0000
                                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-14 09:04 +0200
                                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-14 18:01 +0000
                                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-14 21:56 +0200
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-10-13 00:12 -0500
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 06:44 +0000
    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-12 10:28 +0000
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2018-10-12 16:04 +0200
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 16:21 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-12 16:26 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 09:37 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:43 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 14:32 +0000
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 15:35 +0000
                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 11:51 -0400
                  Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 16:08 +0000
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 16:20 +0000
                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 17:48 +0000
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 21:22 +0000
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-10-13 20:42 -0500
                            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-24 10:28 +0000
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-14 18:01 +0000
                            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2018-10-14 16:49 -0700
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-15 08:34 +0200
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Knarf Gewtools <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-15 14:23 +0000
                                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-10-15 13:28 -0400
                                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Knarf Gewtools Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-15 19:50 +0000
                                  [OT] HowTo: Ignore thread started by poster (was: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-17 17:58 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] HowTo: Ignore thread started by poster (was: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-05 06:42 +0000
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-10-13 20:35 -0500
                    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 13:47 -0400
                      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 18:09 +0000
                        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 14:32 -0400
                          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 18:49 +0000
                            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 16:20 -0400
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 23:29 +0000
                              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-14 17:50 +0000
                                Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-14 23:54 -0400
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 01:58 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 03:27 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 04:44 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 10:07 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:53 +0000
              Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 14:20 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-10-13 10:02 +0200
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 10:01 +0000
            Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:36 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-13 13:27 +0000
    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-14 01:30 +0000
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-16 00:19 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-16 12:26 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-16 14:00 +0000
    Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-19 23:38 +0000
      Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-20 14:37 +0000
        Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-21 20:26 +0000
          Re: From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-22 19:54 +0000
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#56518 — From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-11 19:43 +0000
SubjectFrom Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?
Message-ID<ppo959$pq7$1@news.mixmin.net>
From Windows, how can we run a DOS command on the Android filesystem?
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9648761dir.jpg>

For example:
How can we run a Windows command-line "dir" from Windows on Android?*

Setup:
1. The Android phone is set to "MTP" 
2. I plug the Android phone into Windows via USB for r/w access to Windows
3. This creates a clickable r/w connection for my Android phone on Windows
4. I can easily see, copy, read, & write all the files from Windows:
   o This PC\lgstylo3plus\Internal storage\
   o This PC\lgstylo3plus\SD card\
5. But how do I open the command line from Windows, on Android to run:
   dir /s/a/l/on/b This PC\lgstylo3plus\Internal storage\0data\apk\*

The reason I ask is simply to create accurate text Android app inventories.

I want an editable list containing these four items per line:
a. Common name
b. Installation URL
c. Unique name
d. Sub version

I can create that information in a text file, using a set of workarounds.

Windows Workarounds:
A: On Windows, I can copy the "apk" directory from Android to Windows. 
   Once it's on Windows, I can easily run a Windows command on the files.
   dir /s/a/l/on/b C:\data\backup\lgstylo\phone\apk\*.apk > applog.txt

Android Workarounds:
A. I can send all installed app names & URLs to an editable file using:
   [My Apps] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spencerstudios.applist
B. I can view all the installed app names & versions on the screen using:
   [Applications Info] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.majeur.applicationsinfo
C. I can create a directory of installed APKs & their subversions using:
   [App Backup & Restore] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup
D. On Android, I can open up any terminal emulator to run the "ls" command:
 [Terminal Emulator] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jackpal.androidterm
 ls -l /sdcard/0data/apk/*.apk > applog.txt

*But how, from Windows, can we run that DOS dir command on the Android filesystem?*
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#56520

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-11 19:48 +0000
Message-ID<ppo9e3$qik$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56518
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:43:38 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> I want an editable list containing these four items per line:
> a. Common name
> b. Installation URL
> c. Unique name
> d. Sub version
> 
> I can create that information in a text file, using a set of workarounds.

The alternative solution to the Windows experience required to answer the
original question ... 

Would be if someone experienced on Android knows of a free Android utility
that creates an editable file containing an ad-hoc inventory of all
installed programs.

The editable inventory file would only need to contain:
 a. Common name (optional)
 b. Installation URL (optional)
 c. Unique name (mandatory)
 d. Sub version (mandatory)

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#56521

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-11 20:19 +0000
Message-ID<ppob81$tcl$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56520
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:48:20 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> The editable inventory file would only need to contain:
>  a. Common name (optional)
>  b. Installation URL (optional)
>  c. Unique name (mandatory)
>  d. Sub version (mandatory)

I just tested by dualbooting to Ubuntu where the command line works fine on
the Android filesystem from Linux - but not from Windows (for some reason):
  <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6181360dir01.jpg>

So the technical question for Android/Windows experts is simply:
   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9648761dir.jpg>

A: How to get an editable app/version inventory using a free Android app 
   o Text file containing the installed app unique name + subversion
or
B. How to get the Windows DOS commands to work on an Android filesystem\
   o dir /s/a/l/on/b This PC\lgstylo3plus\Internal storage\0data\apk\*

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#56533

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2018-10-12 08:11 +0200
Message-ID<pppdv3$fbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56518
Arlen,

> How can we run a Windows command-line "dir" from Windows on Android?*

Simple answer ? Find yourself a program which talks to the Android API on 
one side, and accepts the word "DIR" as a command on the console side. 
Good luck with that.

Another easy way, but would take some effort on your behalf: you could also 
take those "Android Workarounds" steps and put them into a batchfile (or 
other kind of script language) and name it DIR.BAT (or similar).

-or-

You could learn how op use the Andriod API (in whatever programming language 
you like, scriptable or compilable) and write it yourself.

As for those "Installation URL", "Unique name", "Sub version" ?  How do you 
*now* get them ?   Probably not from those copied APKs.   But maybe that 
info is stored *inside* those APKs, and you only need to extract it from 
there.  The same here.  See if you can find yourself a programming language 
that can peer into those files to extract what you want/need.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I would suggest you do not spend too much time on the first option.   Your 
request is too "niche", and the chance that such a program actually exists 
is low. *Especially* one which will also display that extra info you 
mentioned.

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#56543

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-12 13:50 +0000
Message-ID<ppq8ri$d37$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56533
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:11:26 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

> As for those "Installation URL", "Unique name", "Sub version" ?  How do you 
> *now* get them ?   Probably not from those copied APKs.   But maybe that 
> info is stored *inside* those APKs, and you only need to extract it from 
> there.  The same here.  See if you can find yourself a programming language 
> that can peer into those files to extract what you want/need.

Hi Rudy,

My hope is that there is someone on this ng who knows more than I do.
By that, my hope is that someone _already_ has solved this issue, Rudy.

If there is an _experienced_ person here who already has run a DOS command
on the Android filesystem connected via USB using a method that is easier
than the method outlined below - _that_ is what I wish to learn about.

If they don't have a ready-made solution to the question in the subject
line, Rudy, then they probably can't help since I already have a
workaround, as I already explained, Rudy.

Moving forward, I just ran an experiment by factory resetting my Android
phone (which I generally do roughly about monthly anyway), in order to
distinguish which apps are considered "system apps" & which are considered
"carrier-installed apps".

This helps us all distinguish those two varieties from the third type of
app, which is a "user installed" app as shown below by running the APK
backup program three times, using three different destination settings:
 /sdcard1/data1/software/system_apk  (which contained 487 APKs)
 /sdcard1/data1/software/carrier_apk (which contained 28 APKs)
 /sdcard1/data1/software/user_apk    (which contains 159 APKs)

That's roughly 500 pre-installed APKs plus about 150 user APKs per device.

Once I have those files on Android, my workaround to obtaining a unique
editable list is to copy those APKs to Windows so that I can run:
   dir /s/a/l/on/b > apk_inventory.txt

It would just be nice to find someone on this newsgroup who knows more than
I do who has _already_ solved the problem of running a DOS command on the
Android filesystem, that is _easier_ to do than to copy the files over to
Windows and then run that DOS command on them.

To obtain _that expert knowledge_, is the reason for this thread.

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#56552

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2018-10-12 18:39 +0200
Message-ID<ppqiok$hu3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56543
Arlen,

> My hope is that there is someone on this ng who knows more than I
> do.

You mean, like where to download that program ?    Have you already googled
for it yourself ?

> By that, my hope is that someone _already_ has solved this issue,
> Rudy.

As I said, that might be possible, but as its a niche something don't get
your hopes up for it.  *Especially* not whith the requirements you
mentioned.

> If they don't have a ready-made solution to the question in the
> subject line, Rudy, then they probably can't help

I suggest you take that (not being to help you by offering you an URL to the 
product) as a given.

> It would just be nice to find someone on this newsgroup who knows more
> than I do

The problem is that pretty-much *all* your questions are like that.  No
indication to what you did yourself to find an answer. Just a summing up of
what you have on your screen and than some requirements.

> To obtain _that expert knowledge_, is the reason for this thread.

How do you think those people gained *their* knowledge ?    Have you ever 
thought about that ?

Also, if you think that just knowing where to get/download that program is 
"expert knowledge" you do not put your goals high, do you ?   I mean, if 
that product exists commercially just a run-of-the-mill store clerk would 
possibly know it.    If its some (semi) hobby project I could imagine a 
person randomly browsing GitHub also could.

All I see is someone who has ideas, and than thinks he should, instead of
googeling his ass of for a couple of hours (or days), use these newsgroups
as his personal knowledge database.    And that breeds resentment.

Currently *I* resent you.

I don't think you are aware of it (how could you), but when you asked for
that geoPDF stuff I was actually researching the subject to see if something
could be whipped up - until I realized that that (reasearching) was exactly
what *you* should have been doing - and giving no indication that you ever
tried.    You where *that* close of having taken advantage of me. :-(

So, sit your ass infront of your 'puter, search for something, *anything*
that could be helpfull in completing your current task AND POST THE RESULTS
(URLs will do nicely).   As long as you're not coming up with stuff which
could possible lead the way to your sought solution I have no other choice
than to conclude that you refuse to put any effort into it yourself (and
thus that you are simply trying to leech us for all we are worth)

And that is exerbated by the fact that you did ask a two-part question for
which I didn't even need 30 seconds to google both of its answers.   That
simply proves that, at that time, you did not even *try* to find the answer
yourself.

TL;DR:
Show us what you yourself did to find a solution to your own problem(s).
Up until that moment at least I will not (even try to) help you, and will 
keep warning others of your "putting effort into something is good, as long 
as its not mine" approach.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#56554

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-12 17:58 +0000
Message-ID<ppqnbh$5te$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56552
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:39:45 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

> Have you already googled for it yourself ?

Rudy,
Jesus Christ Rudy Wieser.
*I'm sick of utter morons like you prove to be every time you post.*

This isn't my first rodeo with worthless children like you Rudy Wieser.

The day you actually add adult _value_ to any thread, would be a big deal.
Worse, the day you stop saying stupid things is a day we rejoice.
HINT: I provided tons of links - you moron.

It's tough dealing with utter morons like you Rudy Wieser.
All you do is _prove_ you own the brain of a small child.

You're _worthless_ Rudy.
But worse than worthless, is I have to spend energy squashing you like I
would squash vermin on the kitchen floor.

Go away Rudy. You're a child Rudy. You have no value to adults. Rudy.

*You prove your posts are worthless _every_ single time you post, Rudy.*

Grow up Rudy. 
If you post again, please _try_ to post like an adult would.
HINT: That means you have to add on-topic technical value.

Saying "Google" is not on-topic technical value.
It's what you childish morons say because you have no value.

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#56555

Fromjoe <none@domain.invalid>
Date2018-10-12 13:11 -0500
Message-ID<ppqo5a$ril$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56554
On 10/12/2018 12:58 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:39:45 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
>> Have you already googled for it yourself ?
> 
> Rudy,
> Jesus Christ Rudy Wieser.
> *I'm sick of utter morons like you prove to be every time you post.*

Arlen, if you actually used google you might find
https://superuser.com/questions/369959/how-do-i-access-mtp-devices-on-the-command-line-in-windows
which tells you why it doesn't work by default.

You might also find
http://www.mtpdrive.com/
which could be a solution.

But, you seem to lazy to look for yourself.

Instead you prefer to berate people.
> 
> This isn't my first rodeo with worthless children like you Rudy Wieser.
> 

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#56569

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-12 23:05 +0000
Message-ID<ppr9c3$9st$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56555
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:11:56 -0500, joe wrote:

> Arlen, if you actually used google 

Hi "joe",

The _less_ you and the other proven morons post, the easier it will be to
move the technical ball forward, "joe".

I am hoping that the "experienced" people on this ng, together, those of us
who are intelligent, can solve it finally, for the masses.

As always, that means a free unrestricted solution is required (not
crippleware or trialware, which is _always_ out of the question).

> you might find
> https://superuser.com/questions/369959/how-do-i-access-mtp-devices-on-the-command-line-in-windows
> which tells you why it doesn't work by default.

I already provided _plenty_ of links from "google", 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/vmWWLzPHKt0/NdDvXWZKBQAJ>
which show this is an unsolved-as-yet age-old problem for the masses.

> You might also find
> http://www.mtpdrive.com/
> which could be a solution.

That's well known cripple ware trialware.

> But, you seem to lazy to look for yourself.

The difference between you and me, "joe", is that all you _can_ do, is play
childish games. I move the ball forward doing things _nobody_ else can do,
and I do that in little steps at a time, "joe".

You have a long history, "joe", of acting like a child, where you think
that running a google is sheer genius, when you didn't find anything we
didn't already know about years ago by your idiotic post.

> Instead you prefer to berate people.

This isn't my first rodeo with morons like you "joe".
a. When you act like an adult - I treat you like an adult.
b. When you act like a child - I treat you as a child.

I'm a mirror, "joe". A mirror.
You, "joe", have _never_ once acted like an adult on Usenet (AFAIK).

My strategy is to move the technical ball forward, "joe".
My tactics are to alienate the morons like you "joe" (and others).

The _less_ you and the other morons post, the easier it will be to move the
technical ball forward, "joe".

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#56558

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-12 15:14 -0400
Message-ID<Mo6wD.507133$tK2.504054@fx42.iad>
In reply to#56554
On 2018-10-12 13:58, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:39:45 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
>> Have you already googled for it yourself ?
> Rudy,
> Jesus Christ Rudy Wieser.
[...]

Jesus Christ, Arlen Holder. Put a sock in it. Your repeated rants 
against people who "don't add technical knowledge" are getting more than 
tiresome.

Best wishes (really!),

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#56570

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-12 23:13 +0000
Message-ID<ppr9r9$aqo$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56558
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:14:52 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

> Jesus Christ, Arlen Holder. Put a sock in it. Your repeated rants 
> against people who "don't add technical knowledge" are getting more than 
> tiresome.

Hi Wolf K,

*The _less_ you worthless vermin post, the more we'll move forward.*

You have _never_ once added any technical value to _any_ thread.
You _can't_ add any technical value.
You're a worthless piece of imbecilic vermin, Wolf K.

*You can _never_ add on-topic value to any technical thread, Wolf K.*

Am I clear yet?
Or do I need to explain what you are more clearly, Wolf K?

Why you insist on proving you can't add value, is beyond me.

This isn't my first rodeo where you morons are 99% of any tech thread.
My goal, if it's not obvious to you morons, is to _alienate_ you.

*I clearly want you utter worthless morons, Wolf K, to "go away".*
You morons, Wolf K, are welcome to infest some other thread. 

You morons all use the "chit chat" model of worthless posts.
My posta are asking _hard_ questions, Wolf K.

You can't answer hard questions, Wolf K.
You're a moron, Wolf K.

The moment you worthless chitchat vermin realize I _mirror_ your posts, is
when I begin to alienate you so that the _intelligent_ experienced people
here (if any), can help move the technical ball forward.

When you act like an adult, Wolf K., I treat you as an adult.
It's just that you never seem to act like an adult, Wolf K.

To wit:
a. Your post wasted everyone's time.
b. My post is intended to alienate you (and all worthless vermin).
c. As such, both our posts simply waste everyone's time.

*The _less_ you worthless vermin post, the more we'll move forward.*

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#56574

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-12 19:40 -0400
Message-ID<EhawD.184298$lM2.86854@fx39.iad>
In reply to#56570
On 2018-10-12 19:13, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:14:52 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> 
>> Jesus Christ, Arlen Holder. Put a sock in it. Your repeated rants
>> against people who "don't add technical knowledge" are getting more than
>> tiresome.
> Hi Wolf K,
> 
> *The_less_  you worthless vermin post, the more we'll move forward.*
[...]

The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For 
everybody, but especially you.

Best wishes (really!),


-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#56576

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-13 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<ppretn$mc6$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56574
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:40:20 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

> The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For 
> everybody, but especially you.

Wolf K,

This isn't my first rodeo with you vermin worthless trolls.
I'm going to _try_ to treat you like an adult, using facts.

*Is it even possible, for you, Wolf K, to _comprehend_ facts?*

1. I asked a technical question, which is a _hard_ question to answer.
2. Almost _nobody_ has the technical skills, to answer my question.
3. Certainly _you_ don't have those skills - that is a given.

Hence, _everything_ you post, Wolf K, is worthless drive.
You just don't have the intelligence to move the technical ball forward.

Am I clear yet Wolf K?
Do you comprehend what I'm trying to get into your thick skull yet?

I will eventually solve this problem - but not from anything from you.

*You, Wolf K, do not have the synapses necessary to solve this problem.*

Please let me know if I need to be more explicit so that you understand.

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#56608

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-13 10:16 -0400
Message-ID<27nwD.49471$sH2.8150@fx25.iad>
In reply to#56576
On 2018-10-12 20:40, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:40:20 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> 
>> The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For
>> everybody, but especially you.
> Wolf K,
> 
> This isn't my first rodeo with you vermin worthless trolls.
> I'm going to_try_  to treat you like an adult, using facts.

[snip usual cut'n'paste rant]

I repeat:

The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For
everybody, but especially you.

Best wishes (really!)

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#56610

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-13 14:24 +0000
Message-ID<ppsv7f$ggh$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56608
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:16:30 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

> The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For
> everybody, but especially you.

Wolf K,

Let's all see if you _can_ act like an adult, Wolf K.
Shall we?

Here is an on-topic technical question, for you, Wolf K:
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7687244dir06.jpg>

What's odd, Wolf K, is that _everything_ else works, _except_ ftpuse.
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7075400dir07.jpg>

I picked up the latest version of ftpuse v2.2 from the canonical site:
 <https://www.ferrobackup.com/download/FtpUseInst.exe>

I'm perplexed since it's clear the Android FTP server is working fine
otherwise with Windows. The reason I'm running ftpfuse is that I'm trying
to see if there is a trick that will allow ftpuse to mount the Android
filesystem over USB, which is the holy grail for Android/Windows
connectivity that nobody yet, has been able to accomplish (to my knowledge)
sans proprietary software.

Since you, Wolf K, repeatedly post to this _technical_ thread, I ask:
 *What happened when _you_ tested FTPUSE on your system, Wolf K?*

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#56613

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-13 11:08 -0400
Message-ID<WTnwD.119755$OM2.76992@fx37.iad>
In reply to#56610
On 2018-10-13 10:24, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:16:30 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> 
>> The less of your crappy cut'n'paste rants you post, the better. For
>> everybody, but especially you.
> Wolf K,
> 
> Let's all see if you_can_  act like an adult, Wolf K.
> Shall we?

[snip usual tantrum]

I am acting like an adult. You're not.

I hope you can begin to understand why yoour tantrums don't work, and 
never will. That's why I keep advising you to stop posting them.

Best wishes (really),


-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#56616

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-13 15:28 +0000
Message-ID<ppt2tv$mpr$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56613
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 11:08:38 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

> I am acting like an adult. You're not.

Hi Wolf K,

What can you tell us about this new "SAF" setting for Android?
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3168139ftpd.jpg>
Storage Type
 o Plain old filesystem
 o Super user (device must be rooted)
 o Android Storage Access Framework (SAF) (e.g., for sd card)
 o Read only SAF (faster !)

How would you, Wolf K, suggest we use SAF to mount the Android filesystem
on Windows over USB?

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#56618

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-13 11:46 -0400
Message-ID<4rowD.238025$cL2.77600@fx43.iad>
In reply to#56616
On 2018-10-13 11:28, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 11:08:38 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> 
>> I am acting like an adult. You're not.
> 
> Hi Wolf K,
> 
> What can you tell us about this new "SAF" setting for Android?
>   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3168139ftpd.jpg>
> Storage Type
>   o Plain old filesystem
>   o Super user (device must be rooted)
>   o Android Storage Access Framework (SAF) (e.g., for sd card)
>   o Read only SAF (faster !)
> 
> How would you, Wolf K, suggest we use SAF to mount the Android filesystem
> on Windows over USB?

What's your problem?

The data on my Android phone (8GB base + 64GB SD card) is completely 
accessible via USB on this W8.1 box as soon as it's connected. Always 
has been.

If your "problem" is ultimately about messing with the phone's operating 
system, I'm not interested. In fact, I think that's a dangerous thing to 
want to do.

Best wishes (really),

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#56622

From Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
Date2018-10-13 16:09 +0000
Message-ID<ppt5c7$r2k$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#56618
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 11:46:07 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

> What's your problem?

Hi Wolf K,

*You just posted the best proof that you own the mind of a child.*

You realize you just _proved_ you don't even comprehend the _simplest_ of
technical questions, Wolf K, don't you?

HINT: Read the subject line of this thread, Wolf K.
Yes. Read it. 
Comprehend it.

Yes, Wolf K. 
Even though you've posted multiple times to this thread, Wolf K, you proved
in each post that you _still_ don't even comprehend even the _simplest_ of
technical *question* (which are clearly outlined in the original post).

Read the subject line, Wolf K.
Read it again.
Think. Think. Think. Wolf K.

Think. If you can. About that subject line.

I don't need to prove you own the mind of a child, Wolf K.
You proved it yourself.

I _know_ full well, Wolf K, you can't ever add on topic technical value.
You never even once comprehended even the *subject* line, for God's sake.

You're _really_ that stupid, Wolf K.
You proved it yourself, thank you.

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#56562

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2018-10-12 23:15 +0200
Message-ID<ppr2t6$1d9f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#56554
Arlen,

> This isn't my first rodeo with worthless children like you Rudy Wieser.

It sure isn't your first rodeo.  But you keep making the same mistake(s) 
over-and-over again, as if your learn really *nothing* from our encounters. 
You do not like to be told something, so you still go for the messenger 
instead of the message.  Old hat actually, and rather predictable - having 
seen you do that and experienced it myself several times.

And you *again* evaded a straight answer.    Did you google for yourself ? 
We still do not know.  But for the moment I take the above response to be 
meaning a "No".

> The day you actually add adult _value_ to any thread

I'm sorry, this is a children-friendly place.  We certainly do not 
appriciate adult content being posted here. :-)

> HINT: I provided tons of links - you moron.

Yes, you did.  Your initial message in this thread is full of them.  All to 
*screenshots*.  NONE of them to material you googled, and which could 
possibly be part of/leading to the solution you are looking for.   Nothing. 
Zip.  Nada.

> But worse than worthless, is I have to spend energy squashing you like
> I would squash vermin on the kitchen floor.

You're not really good squashing vermin are you (which you probably never 
have done in the first place) ?  At least, you seem to have a hard time 
trying to squash me.  Than again, its rather possible you have not started 
yet, so apologies.  Could you warn me when you start ?  Otherwise I might 
fully miss it. :-)

And I wish you would spend some more time at solving your own problems, or 
*at least* doing some preliminary work in that regard AND POSTING IT, 
instead of (talking about) making some threatening movements towards some 
poor rodent.

> Go away Rudy. You're a child Rudy. You have no value to adults. Rudy.

No, no, and how would you know ?    Also, not a smart statement: I need only 
one adult to be valuable for and your whole claim is void.   Care to try 
again ?

> *You prove your posts are worthless _every_ single time you post, Rudy.*

Absolutily.  I mean, if someone with 10.000 tutorials on his name - every 
working day for 37 years straight - says it than it must be true, innit ?

> If you post again, please _try_ to post like an adult would.

Lol.   Says the one who lashed out like a little kid at most every person he 
doesn't like.

> HINT: That means you have to add on-topic technical value.

No, that is what you *want* to be posted, as that would benefit *you* the 
most.   Kiddo, you're so transparent that at times it feels you are not even 
really there. :-)

> Saying "Google" is not on-topic technical value.

Besides the problem that I didn't (not in the way you are trying to make is 
sound - context and all that), how is refusing to put effort into finding 
possible solutions to your own problems "on topic" ?    Not in any of the 
newsgroups you are postng your needfull "give-and-explain me *everything*" 
threads in, thats for sure.

> It's what you childish morons say because you have no value.

Kiddo, I said it before: as long as you refuse to show that you have put 
effort into finding possible solutions to your own problems I'm considering 
you a leech.

And the funny thing is, each-and-every time you try to have a go at me you 
are showing your possible victims to stay away from you.   In that regard 
you are in a so-called lose, lose situation :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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