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  removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 21:19 -0400
    Re: removed support for SD cards Bob <Bob@the.builder> - 2016-07-15 03:11 -0500
      Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 04:30 -0400
        Re: removed support for SD cards David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 11:02 +0100
          Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 08:50 -0400
            Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 10:09 -0400
              Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:38 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 11:22 -0400
                  Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 12:41 -0400
                    Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 14:15 -0400
                      Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:50 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:35 -0400
                  Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
                    Re: removed support for SD cards tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 01:55 -0400
                      Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 08:11 -0400
                        Re: removed support for SD cards tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 19:25 -0400
                          Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:04 -0400
              Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:14 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 08:45 -0400
                  Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 23:26 -0400
                    Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-19 09:16 -0400
            Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 09:33 +0200
              Re: removed support for SD cards David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-18 10:02 +0100
                Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 09:38 -0400
                  Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 18:07 +0200
                    Re: removed support for SD cards David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-18 17:23 +0100
                    Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 12:50 -0400
                      Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 19:17 +0200
            Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 09:45 +0200
              Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 09:38 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 18:17 +0200
                  Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 12:50 -0400
                    Re: removed support for SD cards Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 19:23 +0200
                    Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 00:14 -0400
                      Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 00:45 -0400
        Re: removed support for SD cards The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 09:05 -0700
          Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:45 -0400
            Re: removed support for SD cards The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 12:44 -0700
              Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:49 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2016-07-15 20:17 +0000
                  Re: removed support for SD cards The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:54 -0700
                    Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 18:43 -0400
            Re: removed support for SD cards PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 08:48 -0400
      Re: removed support for SD cards crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-16 12:25 -0600
    Re: removed support for SD cards crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-16 12:23 -0600
      Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 19:34 -0400
        Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:04 -0400
          Re: removed support for SD cards tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-17 23:45 -0400
            Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 00:38 -0400
              Re: removed support for SD cards Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 01:29 -0400
                Re: removed support for SD cards nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 01:32 -0400

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#31856

On 07/15/2016 01:17 PM, lew wrote:
> On 2016-07-15, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <nmbeej$5bs$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>><bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >>> But I learned a couple days ago it doesn't take OTG connections.  On
>>> >>> the Go, would have let me connect a keyboard directly, or a harddrive
>>> >>> etc.   But I stil may be able to mirror the  thing on the PC.
>>> >>
>>> >>Are you sure?  I need a special OTG adapter for my tablet and phone.  It
>>> >>looks like a short USB extension cable, but it's not.
>>> >
>>> > So it works for you.  On your old Blu?  What model again?
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I can't remember.  I assumed that they ALL worked with OTG,
>>> but I guess I could be wrong (unlikely though it might be).
>>
>> you assumed wrong. not all phones support otg, although there's no need
>> for that for a keyboard.
>
> Then the user also need to get a free otg driver for android from
> Play store; had to do that on an android tablet.

Mine is 'Camera Fi'.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will
    all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less.

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#31940

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:54:33 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 07/15/2016 01:17 PM, lew wrote:
>> On 2016-07-15, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <nmbeej$5bs$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>>><bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>> But I learned a couple days ago it doesn't take OTG connections.  On
>>>> >>> the Go, would have let me connect a keyboard directly, or a harddrive
>>>> >>> etc.   But I stil may be able to mirror the  thing on the PC.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Are you sure?  I need a special OTG adapter for my tablet and phone.  It
>>>> >>looks like a short USB extension cable, but it's not.
>>>> >
>>>> > So it works for you.  On your old Blu?  What model again?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I can't remember.  I assumed that they ALL worked with OTG,
>>>> but I guess I could be wrong (unlikely though it might be).
>>>
>>> you assumed wrong. not all phones support otg, although there's no need
>>> for that for a keyboard.
>>
>> Then the user also need to get a free otg driver for android from
>> Play store; had to do that on an android tablet.

I'm having trouble figuring that out, biut I'll get back to you in a
day or so with a specific question

Okay, I have one.    Using the app, USB Driver for Android
"Universal Android Phone or Android Tablet Driver for Windows XP,
Vista, 7, 8, 10 (x86 and x64).

Extract adbdriver.zip to your internal storage. You can find it on
your computer with USB cable via MTP.

It ended up on my SD card, biut what difference does it make if it has
not be unzipped?   And if inside is an .exe file.   So I can copy it
to the PC?  I copied it anyhow, so I could see what was inside.  

If it sits on the PC, how will it help me connect a keyboard to the
phone? 


This app let to    ADB Driver Installer

And I can see adbdriver.zip in the 	sdcard/usb_driver directory on
my phone, but what good does it do if it hasn't been unzipped, and do
I install it on the phone or the PC?    If on the phone, how do I
unzip it? 

Inside is just this url name:
http://adbdriver.com/documentation/how-to-install-adb-driver-on-windows-8-10-x64.html
and an adbdriverinstaller.exe file.  11 megs.    Should I run it?   I
can already copy files from the phone by cable, though I still can't
use the Mobizen mirror app. 

I'm confused.  ;-(
>
>Mine is 'Camera Fi'.

I thought that was a marine camera. 

I did all these tests before I ran the app above, USB Driver for
Android, but I'm sure I haven't accomplished anything with that yet. 

I thought I would test the phone again for OTG, but I just can't
figure out which program I used the last time, and I deleted it so
there is no record.  (There is no Recycle Bin, is there?) 

So I tried OTG? and, connected by cable to the PC, it says 
YES!  OTG is supported
Getting USB service, ok
Checking feature android.hardware.usb.host... ok
Getting USB DdeviceList... ok
Iterating devices:  none found (ok if no devices are connected).  I
don't think the PC is a device, but I'm going to try another app. 

OTG Troubleshooter says No, even with keyboard attached.
It says Yes, USB Host Support
            NO,  No USB device detected in Android (or Linux) 
Device Cod:j6010_blu_82  Hardware:mt6582 USB Hubs: 1


I went back to OTG? with the keyboard attached and it still said None
found, so I guess it was wrong when it said OTG "is supported", if
it's only somewhat supported but still doesn't work. 

A very remote chance t his keybard doesn't work but I plugged it in
the PC and ggggggdggyyy666 indeed it does.   A very remote chance both
the OTG cable I got and the all metal connector I got don't work. 

So the only thing left is that I need a driver? 

USB Driver for Android.  These are the instructions:

1. Download USB Driver for Android from Google Play.

2. Connect your device to your computer using a USB cable.

3. Make sure your device’s screen is unlocked.

4. Open the USB Driver for Android app.

5. Touch EXTRACT

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#32056

On 7/15/2016 2:45 PM, Micky wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:05:18 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Samsung is one of the few manufacturers who currently recognise this (but
>>>> are not alone)
>>> The Blu phone I just bought, which may be being closed out, takes an
>>> SD card, up to 64 gig.
>>>
>>> I need the storage for off-line maps**, not a full 64G but more than
>>> the internal storage is.   And it's good that I can install 3
>>> different map programs plus google maps and maps for each without
>>> worrying about space.    **And easy backup to cloud, laptop won't make
>>> that need be less.   $18 to 22 now for 64Gig.  $8-12 for 32gig.
>>>
>>>
>>> But I learned a couple days ago it doesn't take OTG connections.  On
>>> the Go, would have let me connect a keyboard directly, or a harddrive
>>> etc.   But I stil may be able to mirror the  thing on the PC.
>> Are you sure?  I need a special OTG adapter for my tablet and phone.  It
>> looks like a short USB extension cable, but it's not.
> So it works for you.  On your old Blu?  What model again?
>
> I was only speaking for my model, Studio X Plus, but I'm pessimistic
> about any Blu phone doing this.  I know about mine because
> a) I bought 5 connectors for $2.30, including shipping, with no wire
> at all, just the  two pieces of  metal,
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015GZOHKW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> and tried a usb keyboard and couldn't make it work.
> b) then I dl'd an app** which will check if it will work, and it said
> iirc that I had the api, but was missing something else to make it
> work.
> c) later in the mail  came an OTG cable, but I haven't had time to
> check  that yet.  Of course I woudl have had time if I thought it
> might work, but I rate the odds as not impossible but lower than 1%.
> d) I had read 2 weeks earlier that not all phones will do this.  **But
> the app only works if you can connnect with an OTG connector.   But I
> thought it was worth risking under $4.  I may give 4 of the connectors
> to friends, if I can find even one who would use one.

The BLU Pure XL comes with an OTG connector.  It supports it. It's a 
nice little feature to have, IMO.

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#31911

Bob wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:19:31 -0400, Micky wrote:
> 
>> "While Google has removed support for SD cards since the release of
>> ICS,
>> 
>> Is this version 4?   Why would they get rid of SD cards?  Did
>> internal memory go up by 64gB?
>> 
>> " some OEMs (namely Samsung) have gone against that and continue to
>> include an SD slot for expandable storage. This is a good thing for
>> many reasons; users can store pictures, movies, music, contacts
>> and/or documents on here and not have to worry about their internal
>> storage being taken up. "
>> 
>> So is getting rid of SD  as stupid as it sounds?
> 
> Yes! Until such time as all phones offer large storage capacities at a
> reasonable cost and also permit a much better/easier backing up to
> cloud/ pc/laptop than currently exists especially for those who live
> in the sticks with *very* slow BB speeds and limited signal on data
> for mobiles.
> 
> Samsung is one of the few manufacturers who currently recognise this
> (but are not alone)

There's more money to be made by fleecing the city-folks, they leave us 
hillbillys wondering what the fuck good Siri is when it works off and on 
very very slowly on the days when atmospheric conditions are favorable.

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#31910

Micky wrote:

> "While Google has removed support for SD cards since the release of
> ICS,
> 
> Is this version 4?   Why would they get rid of SD cards?  Did internal
> memory go up by 64gB?
> 
> " some OEMs (namely Samsung) have gone against that and continue to
> include an SD slot for expandable storage. This is a good thing for
> many reasons; users can store pictures, movies, music, contacts and/or
> documents on here and not have to worry about their internal storage
> being taken up. "
> 
> So is getting rid of SD  as stupid as it sounds?

Not if you expect to make more money from selling cloud services than 
you can make from some tiny margin between sdcard reader and increased 
price for a model with sdcard reader, it doesn't.

Apple is leading the way on the project of beating drums behind the 
lemmings after carefully arranging the rocks at the bottom, numerous 
other concerns are harmonizing on the bongos; I think the whole idea of 
a cloud-centric thin-client (as demonstrated by Chrome) is nuts, because 
if somebody hacks the right subcomponents, there goes the whole deal, 
but it's definitely a profitable business from what I can see.

[remainder of rant kindly omitted]

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#31947

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:23:23 -0600, crankypuss
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Micky wrote:
>
>> "While Google has removed support for SD cards since the release of
>> ICS,
>> 
>> Is this version 4?   Why would they get rid of SD cards?  Did internal
>> memory go up by 64gB?
>> 
>> " some OEMs (namely Samsung) have gone against that and continue to
>> include an SD slot for expandable storage. This is a good thing for
>> many reasons; users can store pictures, movies, music, contacts and/or
>> documents on here and not have to worry about their internal storage
>> being taken up. "
>> 
>> So is getting rid of SD  as stupid as it sounds?
>
>Not if you expect to make more money from selling cloud services than 
>you can make from some tiny margin between sdcard reader and increased 
>price for a model with sdcard reader, it doesn't.
>
>Apple is leading the way on the project of beating drums behind the 
>lemmings after carefully arranging the rocks at the bottom, numerous 
>other concerns are harmonizing on the bongos; I think the whole idea of 
>a cloud-centric thin-client (as demonstrated by Chrome) is nuts, because 
>if somebody hacks the right subcomponents, there goes the whole deal, 
>but it's definitely a profitable business from what I can see.

Darn. 

>[remainder of rant kindly omitted]

Even if I were willing to use the cloud, it's only available if you
have a data plan or are near wifi, isn't that right?  That lets me
out.   I guess I'll stick with whatever brand still has them, or I
won't change phones. 

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#31949

In article <30hlobdtrnvtcavrb65a3v0fhetigkl8o9@4ax.com>, Micky
<NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >> "While Google has removed support for SD cards since the release of
> >> ICS,
> >> 
> >> Is this version 4?   Why would they get rid of SD cards?  Did internal
> >> memory go up by 64gB?
> >> 
> >> " some OEMs (namely Samsung) have gone against that and continue to
> >> include an SD slot for expandable storage. This is a good thing for
> >> many reasons; users can store pictures, movies, music, contacts and/or
> >> documents on here and not have to worry about their internal storage
> >> being taken up. "
> >> 
> >> So is getting rid of SD  as stupid as it sounds?
> >
> >Not if you expect to make more money from selling cloud services than 
> >you can make from some tiny margin between sdcard reader and increased 
> >price for a model with sdcard reader, it doesn't.
> >
> >Apple is leading the way on the project of beating drums behind the 
> >lemmings after carefully arranging the rocks at the bottom, numerous 
> >other concerns are harmonizing on the bongos; I think the whole idea of 
> >a cloud-centric thin-client (as demonstrated by Chrome) is nuts, because 
> >if somebody hacks the right subcomponents, there goes the whole deal, 
> >but it's definitely a profitable business from what I can see.
> 
> Darn. 
>
> >[remainder of rant kindly omitted]

you should have omitted the above part too.

> 
> Even if I were willing to use the cloud, it's only available if you
> have a data plan or are near wifi, isn't that right?  That lets me
> out.   I guess I'll stick with whatever brand still has them, or I
> won't change phones. 

if you don't have a data plan or wifi, then why are you even getting a
smartphone??

what do you expect it to do without any connectivity at all? you can't
even use a web browser or check email.

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#32027

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:04:45 -0400, nospam wrote:

> what do you expect it to do without any connectivity at all? ...

For starters: GPS, camera, SMS, telephony, Kindle for device, mp3-playing
-- none of those require cellular or wi-fi internet connectivity, remember? 

> ...  you can't
> even use a web browser or check email.

Those aren't things *everyone* does on a cell phone anyway. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#32035

In article <1by8dyijskox5$.1eygwfom1z87c$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > what do you expect it to do without any connectivity at all? ...
> 
> For starters: GPS, camera, SMS, telephony, Kindle for device, mp3-playing
> -- none of those require cellular or wi-fi internet connectivity, remember? 

sms and telephony absolutely requires connectivity.

gps greatly benefits from connectivity to rapidly obtain a first fix
and may need it to get map data.

kindle isn't the topic and if all you're going to do is listen to mp3
then get an ipod or other mp3 player. no need for a smartphone.

> > ...  you can't
> > even use a web browser or check email.
> 
> Those aren't things *everyone* does on a cell phone anyway. Cheers, -- tlvp

almost everyone does.

you're arguing just to argue, again.

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#32037

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:38:45 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <1by8dyijskox5$.1eygwfom1z87c$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
><mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>
>> 
>> > what do you expect it to do without any connectivity at all? ...
>> 
>> For starters: GPS, camera, SMS, telephony, Kindle for device, mp3-playing
>> -- none of those require cellular or wi-fi internet connectivity, remember? 
>
>sms and telephony absolutely requires connectivity.
>
>gps greatly benefits from connectivity to rapidly obtain a first fix
>and may need it to get map data.
>
>kindle isn't the topic and if all you're going to do is listen to mp3
>then get an ipod or other mp3 player. no need for a smartphone.
>
>> > ...  you can't
>> > even use a web browser or check email.
>> 
>> Those aren't things *everyone* does on a cell phone anyway. Cheers, -- tlvp
>
>almost everyone does.

But you don't have to.  That was one of your guiding principles when
you were on the other side of the argument. 
>
>you're arguing just to argue, again.

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#32038

In article <r9qoobp3r263jge6vjj26v42rpfhsru2nm@4ax.com>, Micky
<NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> 
> >> > what do you expect it to do without any connectivity at all? ...
> >> 
> >> For starters: GPS, camera, SMS, telephony, Kindle for device, mp3-playing
> >> -- none of those require cellular or wi-fi internet connectivity,
> >> remember? 
> >
> >sms and telephony absolutely requires connectivity.
> >
> >gps greatly benefits from connectivity to rapidly obtain a first fix
> >and may need it to get map data.
> >
> >kindle isn't the topic and if all you're going to do is listen to mp3
> >then get an ipod or other mp3 player. no need for a smartphone.
> >
> >> > ...  you can't
> >> > even use a web browser or check email.
> >> 
> >> Those aren't things *everyone* does on a cell phone anyway. Cheers, -- tlvp
> >
> >almost everyone does.
> 
> But you don't have to.  That was one of your guiding principles when
> you were on the other side of the argument. 

you're very, very confused.

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