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Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

Started byAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
First post2016-07-14 23:20 +0000
Last post2016-07-16 20:31 +0000
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  Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:20 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 19:22 -0400
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:50 +0000
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 21:51 -0400
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:00 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:55 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:23 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-14 18:59 -0500
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:51 +0000
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-14 21:20 -0500
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-15 14:19 +1200
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-14 21:31 -0500
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:29 -0400
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 16:36 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 14:33 +0200
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:20 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:21 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 20:37 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:57 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 23:06 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:08 +0000
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:29 -0400
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 10:03 -0400
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:38 -0400
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 11:17 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 12:41 -0400
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:32 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:12 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:36 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:58 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:52 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-07-15 11:26 -0400
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:31 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:37 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? ElfinArc6 <eflinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:40 -0500
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 20:04 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Meanie <meanie.brat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 16:39 -0400
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 03:47 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 14:45 +0200
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:19 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 18:57 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:33 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 22:53 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 09:06 +0200
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 07:37 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:20 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 19:29 -0400
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 00:17 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 01:25 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:03 +0000
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:11 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:05 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 21:26 -0400
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:43 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:07 +0000
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:13 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:22 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-19 16:31 -0700
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 19:37 -0400
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:09 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:56 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-20 04:42 -0400
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 15:53 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 12:18 -0400
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:12 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 13:21 -0400
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:44 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-19 19:08 -0700
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:03 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 23:23 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:44 +0000
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:02 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:06 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:04 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:34 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:03 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:10 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-20 09:11 +0200
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:34 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 23:28 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:56 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:25 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-19 03:51 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 04:32 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 01:01 -0400
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 05:14 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 10:56 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:19 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:07 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 03:05 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 04:42 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 05:00 +0000
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 05:22 +0000
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 05:35 +0000
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 05:45 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 01:50 -0400
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 06:05 +0000
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 10:55 -0400
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-19 08:45 -0700
                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 13:20 -0400
                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 18:30 -0400
                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 22:41 +0000
                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 02:44 +0000
                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 02:27 +0000
                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 22:56 -0400
                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 14:55 -0400
                                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-20 12:38 -0700
                                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 15:46 -0400
                                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-20 13:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 14:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 02:25 +0000
                                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 00:15 -0400
                                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 04:47 -0400
                                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 14:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 18:44 +0000
                                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 18:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 19:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 18:31 -0400
                                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 18:46 -0400
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                                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 04:44 +0000
                                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? crankpuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 05:03 -0600
                                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 14:11 +0000
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                                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 18:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 19:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:19 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 21:43 +0000
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                                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 11:35 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 16:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 13:23 -0600
                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 06:18 +0000
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:17 +0000
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:55 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 21:56 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:04 +0000
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-07-15 01:32 -0400
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:32 +0000
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:37 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 13:17 -0700
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 03:58 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 10:42 +0200
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:34 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 01:08 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:12 +0000
    SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? (was: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?) Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 20:07 +0000
      Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 04:29 +0000
      Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 02:42 -0400
        Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:31 +0000

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#32204

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-07-19 06:18 +0000
Message-ID<dv5v0rFl7e0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#32198
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2016 05:35:57 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Us? You don't speak for anyone else here, you bloated gas bag. 
> 
>  iOS users like you feel they need to lie 

Projection.

>> Your "facts" are lies. 
> 
> It's interesting you say that.

Nah. You aren't interested in anything but trolling.

>> Troll on. It's all you know how to do.
> 
> I actually have graduate-level degrees, so I know how to do lots of things.

Too bad for you then that all you do here is troll.

> However, what interests me is trolling.

Yes, that's readily apparent.

> Do you feel you represent the thinking of the average iOS user?

I'd never be as presumptuous as you to claim anyone represents the
majority.

>> Lame trolling like this is the only thing you know how to do, and you even
>> suck at that.
> 
> Why do you feel that way about me?

It's true.

> I assume you're an average iOS user.

You'd be wrong. Way wrong.

> Oh, I do believe you.

Mmhmm, I'm sure you do.

> I used to be puzzled about how iOS users' think.

You still have no clue.

> the
> average iOS user is totally different than most other technical people.

Still trotting out that lame line... You are boring.

>> Too bad you'll learn nothing from it. Then again we don't expect much from
>> a brain dead moron troll like you.
> 
> Actually, I've already learned a *lot* 

Only in your delusion.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#32303

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
Message-ID<nmmrta$1fh0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#32204
On 19 Jul 2016 06:18:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I'd never be as presumptuous as you to claim anyone represents the
> majority.

What's interesting is that you feel I'm "presumptuous", when my only claim
is that I'm an average Android user and I've often said I know very little
about iOS.

Yet, you feel that's being presumptuous.

Why do you think that?

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#32316

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-07-20 05:17 +0000
Message-ID<dv8frvF98f0U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#32303
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2016 06:18:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> I'd never be as presumptuous as you to claim anyone represents the
>> majority.
> 
> What's interesting is that you feel I'm "presumptuous", when my only claim
> is that I'm an average Android user and I've often said I know very little
> about iOS.
> 
> Yet, you feel that's being presumptuous.
> 
> Why do you think that?

Another hard fail. *yawn*

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#31813

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
Message-ID<nmbarv$2f7$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31741
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:29:08 -0400, FPP wrote:

> Has he ever touched an iPhone?   What the fuck is he blathering on about?

Despite Jolly Roger saying an 8 year old can jailbreak an iPhone from start
to finish in five minutes, I've jailbroken an iPhone (an iPhone 3) to get
it to work on T-Mobile.

I've set up iPads so well that I'm not embarrassed to show my desktop,
while *everyone* here is embarrassed to show the lack of abilities to
organize the desktop has them "just give up".

I've set up Android also, many times.
And I buy phones as gifts.

I've just helped (with your help) a kid migrate from a Nexus 5 to an iPhone
6s, and half my family is on Apple equipment (mostly the women). 

In fact, they *gave* me the iPads because they knew I could never justify
the price, even though I give out more equipment than they do, in general.

So, I know iOS. 
I make iOS do what "I" want it to do.

That takes more intelligence than it does to stay within the walled garden,
because I have to fight the decisions from Apple all the time, just to get
file access and interoperability.

So, yes, I know iOS.

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#31703

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 01:55 +0000
Message-ID<nm9fpn$1apt$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31681
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> REFERENCE:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
> Subject: Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <nm76ha$1u9e$1@gioia.aioe.org>

There were a few duplications so here's an improved list of the things that
Android can do that iOS can't, to answer the question someone asked:
- Ability to load software outside the Apple ecosystem 
- Ability to change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Ability to control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Ability to traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Ability for free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"
- Ability to use the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Ability to redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)
- Ability to perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Ability to organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Ability to hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Ability to have icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Ability to create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Ability to automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal
- Ability to use bitTorrent applications at will
- Ability to automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Ability to *use* those installers on similar mobile devices offline
- Ability to have a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used app

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#31705

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 21:56 -0400
Message-ID<140720162156160935%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31703
In article <nm9fpn$1apt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> There were a few duplications so here's an improved list of the things that
> Android can do that iOS can't, to answer the question someone asked:

repeating it doesn't make it true.

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#31707

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 02:04 +0000
Message-ID<nm9gan$1b88$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31705
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:56:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

> repeating it doesn't make it true.

I only tell the truth.
And I back up everything I say.

Someone asked what Android can do that iOS can't do.
I answer the question off the cuff.

The cleaned up list of a dozen and a half things is below.
Which of the following can be done on a current out-of-the-box iOS device?

- Load software outside the Apple ecosystem 
- Change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Add a free second-line telephone numbers such as "Sideline"
- Install the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Redirect files & types of files at will (File Redirector)
- Perform detailed wardriving (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Automatically record calls in juristictions where it's legal
- Use bitTorrent applications to download torrent files
- Automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices 
- Use a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

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#31711

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
Message-ID<140720162209238150%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31707
In article <nm9gan$1b88$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > repeating it doesn't make it true.
> 
> I only tell the truth.
> And I back up everything I say.

no you don't

you make up shit as you go along.

> Someone asked what Android can do that iOS can't do.
> I answer the question off the cuff.

and you got almost all of it wrong.

next time, do a tiny bit of research instead of looking like a complete
utter moron.

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#31743

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2016-07-15 01:32 -0400
Message-ID<150720160132072504%star@sky.net>
In reply to#31681
You can believe me when I tell you that I don't give a flying f**k
about you or about what your iOS ripoff can do. You wouldn't be
trolling the iPhone group if you weren't an Apple envier.

And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
group.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#31832

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 19:32 +0000
Message-ID<nmbdon$6rt$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31743
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:32:07 -0400, Davoud wrote:

> And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
> group.

But they won't even know what an Apple Apologist is.

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#31836

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-15 15:37 -0400
Message-ID<150720161537200707%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31832
In article <nmbdon$6rt$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
> > group.
> 
> But they won't even know what an Apple Apologist is.

whoosh.

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#31852

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2016-07-15 13:17 -0700
Message-ID<2016071513171763459-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#31832
On 2016-07-15 19:32:40 +0000, Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> said:

> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:32:07 -0400, Davoud wrote:
> 
>> And if your question is a psychology question, post it in a psychology
>> group.
> 
> But they won't even know what an Apple Apologist is.

...but they might have a pretty good take on what you are.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#31874

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-16 03:58 +0000
Message-ID<nmcbcc$18g8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31852
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:17:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> ...but they might have a pretty good take on what you are.

I'm a well balanced person when it comes to technical acumen, but I'm also
Aspergers, so, it's hard for me to deal with people who are Apple
Apologists because I don't have the social skills to deal with constant
duplicity.

Ask crankypuss what it's like dealing with the Apple Apologists versus with
slightly more normal people such as those on the Linux or Android or
English or Car groups that I frequent.

On all newsgroups, there are all types of people, but there isn't such a
preponderance of people who will lie to protect the image of their product
on the Linux and Windows and Android newsgroups are there are here.

I think I finally figured out why.

a. The people who bought the other operating systems bought on
price:performance, and they don't feel the need to defend their choice 

b. The people who bought in on iOS did so less on price performance
(obviously), and far more on pure "image", such that it bothers them
(immensely) whenever that image is portrayed realistically.

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#31758

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-15 10:42 +0200
Message-ID<nma7lp$pid$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#31681
Am 15.07.2016 um 01:20 schrieb Aardvarks:
> This is NOT a technical question.
> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>
> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*
>
> In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every
> day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and
> Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.

Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying 
anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm writing, 
that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly clear. But 
if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for a 
completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?

So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right 
away.

Michael

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#31833

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 19:34 +0000
Message-ID<nmbdsq$722$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31758
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:42:32 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying 
> anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm writing, 
> that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly clear. But 
> if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for a 
> completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?
> 
> So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right 
> away.

Which of the following do you say can be done on iOS out of the box?
- Load software outside the Apple ecosystem 
- Change the launcher to entirely change the look & feel
- Control what data programs have access to from other programs
- Traverse & modify the entire file system (or almost all of it)
- Install the "real" Tor Browser Bundle and "Obot" anonymous VPN
- Redirect files & types of files at will (using a File Redirector)
- Perform detailed wardriving scans (such as what WiGle WiFi does)
- Organize the desktop with icons on any grid whatsoever
- Hide *any* icon whatsoever no matter what the icon is
- Put icons in multiple places for logical organization
- Create empty named placeholder folders for organization
- Automatically record calls in jurisdictions where it's legal
- Use bitTorrent applications to download torrent files
- Automatically store installers offline to user storage
- Then *use* those offline installers on other similar mobile devices 
- Use a *fully-functional* "App Drawer" for rarely used apps

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#31885

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-16 01:08 -0400
Message-ID<nmcfgk$21a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#31758
On 2016-07-15 08:42:32 +0000, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> said:

> Am 15.07.2016 um 01:20 schrieb Aardvarks:
>> This is NOT a technical question.
>> This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.
>> 
>> *Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*
>> 
>> In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every
>> day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and
>> Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.
> 
> Bullshit! I never said that and you won't find *any* proof of me saying 
> anything different! If you can't read (and comprehend) what I'm 
> writing, that's your problem, not mine. My statements were perfectly 
> clear. But if you take the answer to one of your claims and take it for 
> a completely different claim of your, please tell who's lying here now?
> 
> So either you take your claim of me lying back, or I'm out of here right away.
> 
> Michael

I wouldn't give him the satisfaction.  It's not worth getting worked up 
over... nobody believes what he's saying anyway, least of all him.

His kind lives for seeing his marks get flustered... so just tell him 
to fuck off, just killfile him.

It's much more satisfying - or has been for me, at least.
-- 
"Life sucks… buy a fucking helmet." - Denis Leary

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#31966

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-17 03:12 +0000
Message-ID<nmet20$d98$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31885
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:08:36 -0400, FPP wrote:

> I wouldn't give him the satisfaction.  It's not worth getting worked up 
> over... nobody believes what he's saying anyway, least of all him.

Here is a summary of the steps taken in this thread to solve the problem:

a. The kid charged the Verizon iPhone 6 and it worked fine in WiFI
b. We called T-Mobile and provided the old Verizon phone number
c. T-Mobile confirmed that was a Verizon phone number (not much else)
d. But T-Mobile warned the phone "could" be locked or blocked
e. However, another T-Mobile rep said it's unlikely to be locked
f. Likewise, nospam and other technically astute people agreed
g. Folks here recommended she install the wonderful MoveToiOS app
h. She installed that app on Android and moved from Android to iOS
i. That app didn't work the first time - but worked fine the 2nd time
j. Meanwhile, we ordered a T-Mobile nano SIM (which arrived within a week)
k. She installed that nano SIM and called 611 from the iPhone 6
l. T-Mobile only asked for the 20-character SIM card number
m. In a minute, the Verizon iPhone 6s was working fine on T-Mobile
o. The kid likes the new iPhone 6 *better* than the old Nexus 5
p. Specifically, the iPhone 6 takes "better pictures" (she says)
q. Everything else, she said, is "about the same"
r. She has been porting over the apps she cares about, one by one
s. The only app that is giving us trouble so far is Signal
t. She asked if she should port Signal over & I told her "no"
u. I told her the iPhone SMS app is "almost as secure" as Signal
v. I also told her to use her real email address (which is unusual)
w. And I mailed her a list of the best free iPhone utilities around
x. At this point, there is only one software problem
y. She can send me SMS from the iPhone SMS app 
z. But my SMS from Signal still goes to her Nexus 5 for some reason

Signal bug with the reset secure session setting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/d1ZPWP.jpg

Signal bug with the results of reset secure session setting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/w0afgH.jp

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#31849 — SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? (was: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?)

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 20:07 +0000
SubjectSOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? (was: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?)
Message-ID<nmbfq3$a68$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31681
I think I have the answer, and I thank Michael Eyd for helping me figure it
out.

HYPOTHESIS:

a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast feels
the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for
social esteem reasons.

b. The Android Enthusiast bought on price:performance; hence the Android
Enthusiast feels no need to lie to protect the image of the product they
bought into for practical reasons.

SUMMARY:
a. Esteem
b. Pragmatics

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#31880 — Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-16 04:29 +0000
SubjectRe: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?
Message-ID<nmcd81$1abb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31849
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast feels
> the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for
> social esteem reasons.

I think there's also the element of being safe inside the walled garden
which the Apple Apologists bought into.

A. The Apple Apologists bought on *image* (not price:performance)
B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled garden)

They abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms such as Linux & Android
because:

a. They're not trendy
b. They're not part of their herd

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#31892 — Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

Fromtlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date2016-07-16 02:42 -0400
SubjectRe: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?
Message-ID<1gc6ez7mwusqa.c8kwt94i3yfg.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#31849
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:07:32 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> a. The Apple Enthusiast bought on image; hence, the Apple Enthusiast
> feels the need to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into
> for social esteem reasons.

> b. The Android Enthusiast bought on price:performance; hence the Android
> Enthusiast feels no need to lie to protect the image of the product they
> bought into for practical reasons.

I don't buy that. Many's the Android Enthusiast who likewise bought an
over-priced Sammie Galaxy S high# "... on image; hence ... feels the need
to lie to protect the image of the product they bought into for social
esteem reasons." It's a ... goose ... gander ... situation.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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