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Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile

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First post2016-07-09 06:36 +0000
Last post2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
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  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-09 06:36 +0000
    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-09 02:42 -0400
      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-09 07:04 +0000
        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-09 03:16 -0400
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-09 07:41 +0000
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 05:03 +0000
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 05:10 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:37 -0400
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 05:40 +0000
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:44 -0400
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 06:45 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 02:21 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 02:25 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 16:14 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 12:35 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 18:23 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:10 -0400
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 19:24 +0000
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:31 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:47 -0700
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 13:26 -0400
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 20:07 -0400
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 20:29 -0400
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-12 02:31 -0400
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 02:56 -0400
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-14 23:03 -0500
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 08:50 -0400
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:40 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:42 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 05:03 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 01:19 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 18:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 19:13 -0400
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 09:07 +0200
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:19 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 18:49 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 22:53 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2016-07-19 07:33 +0200
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 05:35 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 16:56 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-21 02:12 +1000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 14:56 -0400
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 19:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-21 15:25 +1000
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 10:46 +0200
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 10:58 +0200
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 13:19 -0700
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 22:15 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 00:56 -0400
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:39 +0000
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-12 08:27 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 22:03 -0700
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 08:17 +0100
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 03:56 -0400
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:44 -0700
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 15:58 +0100
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:16 -0700
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 20:40 +0000
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:51 -0400
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 21:32 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-12 14:40 -0700
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 21:57 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-12 16:59 -0700
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-12 17:21 -0700
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-13 13:37 +1200
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 20:46 -0700
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 05:12 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 17:46 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 22:07 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 18:13 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 06:35 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-12 08:24 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-11 13:31 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 16:10 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 12:35 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 18:20 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:10 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-09 22:23 -0700
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 07:01 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-10 17:06 +0000
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 17:48 +0000
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:37 -0400
    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-09 16:14 +0100
      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:37 -0400
        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 07:16 +0000
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 07:24 +0000
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 10:41 +0100
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 07:30 -0700
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 18:11 +0100
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:18 -0400
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-12 05:47 -0600
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 19:54 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 11:24 -0400
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-12 05:54 -0600
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 20:35 +0000
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 10:42 +0100
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 16:28 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 12:35 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 16:55 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:18 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:16 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 11:49 -0700
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:25 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 18:04 -0700
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 01:52 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 18:09 +0100
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:18 -0400
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:30 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 14:38 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:29 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 15:38 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:57 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:31 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 19:59 +0100
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:33 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 15:38 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 20:03 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 18:29 -0700
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:15 +0000
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 20:50 -0700
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 15:38 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 16:31 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 08:25 +0100
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:02 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 16:18 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 19:17 +0100
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:10 -0400
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 20:21 +0000
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 19:18 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 03:50 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:02 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 16:20 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 09:21 +0100
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:32 -0400
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 11:24 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 16:39 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 12:44 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:33 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 14:38 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-11 10:00 +1200
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 08:42 +0100
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:02 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-11 13:32 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 19:19 +0100
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:10 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 08:03 +0100
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 03:56 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-12 08:19 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 09:34 +0100
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-12 08:17 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 09:36 +0100
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:39 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 19:22 +0100
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:10 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-12 09:17 +1200
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 01:20 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-12 13:41 +1200
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 02:08 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 08:05 +0100
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-12 19:19 +1200
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 08:46 +0100
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-13 08:55 +1200
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-13 09:09 +0100
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 04:40 -0400
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-13 11:54 +0100
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 12:44 -0400
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 22:24 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 18:30 -0400
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:11 -0700
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 04:38 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:20 -0700
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 03:40 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 21:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 08:42 +0200
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 09:54 +0200
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 21:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 08:43 +0200
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-20 04:01 -0400
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:40 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 09:27 +0200
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:02 +0200
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 03:40 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-14 09:10 +0100
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 04:34 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:12 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:15 -0400
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 18:41 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:11 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 18:53 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-14 18:13 +1200
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 07:59 -0700
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 14:09 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:08 +0200
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:12 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:12 +0000
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 22:17 +0000
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 18:30 -0400
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 09:35 +0200
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 03:47 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 10:08 +0200
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 04:34 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:12 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:20 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 19:57 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-15 09:01 +1200
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:16 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:17 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-14 17:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:38 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-14 19:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:17 +0200
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 17:27 -0400
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:12 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 20:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 21:50 -0400
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:09 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:23 +0200
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:20 +0200
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-16 10:15 +1200
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:16 -0700
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 17:25 -0700
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 17:51 -0700
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 20:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:15 +0000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-15 19:38 -0500
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:15 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 20:52 -0400
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:15 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-16 14:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 22:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 19:20 -0400
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:11 -0400
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-17 23:09 -0400
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-17 23:17 -0400
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 03:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-16 16:26 -0700
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:11 -0400
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-16 17:17 -0700
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:29 -0400
                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:06 +0000
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 10:13 +0200
                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 08:53 +0200
                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-20 08:53 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:42 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 14:56 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 18:55 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 18:30 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 16:04 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 12:54 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 19:33 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 12:59 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 16:10 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:29 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 18:45 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:51 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-22 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 14:03 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:29 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 19:10 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 22:54 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 07:58 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-23 20:51 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 15:25 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 05:25 -0600
                                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-24 23:56 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 20:43 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 02:36 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 22:55 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 05:02 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-25 10:02 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-25 10:29 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-25 10:29 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 17:07 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-25 13:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-26 05:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-26 09:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 08:41 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-26 21:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-27 10:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-27 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-28 04:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-29 02:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-28 04:26 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-28 12:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-28 15:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-28 15:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-29 02:44 +0000
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-29 07:37 +0100
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                                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-26 23:32 +1000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-26 09:47 -0400
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                                                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-26 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-26 09:47 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-25 03:09 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:03 -0600
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                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 06:58 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 13:53 -0400
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                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 20:44 -0400
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                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 18:44 -0700
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                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 19:21 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 22:03 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-23 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 01:19 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-24 19:11 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 02:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 22:23 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 03:08 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 23:31 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 06:38 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 22:54 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 01:01 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 01:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 22:54 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-23 14:38 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 13:53 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 16:10 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 10:59 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 18:55 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 18:30 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 16:04 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-22 09:28 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 16:04 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 12:54 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-22 19:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 16:10 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 19:18 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-22 22:02 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-22 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:44 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-25 15:45 +0200
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-16 21:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:11 -0400
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:05 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-16 13:58 +1200
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 19:04 -0700
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-16 18:51 +1200
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:15 +0000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:16 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:16 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:50 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-15 18:48 +1000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:55 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-17 15:59 +1000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-17 18:35 +1000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:19 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:05 -0400
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 00:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 03:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 09:38 -0400
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 09:38 -0400
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 12:50 -0400
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:35 +0000
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 14:40 -0400
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 14:40 -0400
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:24 -0400
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 21:57 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:22 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 22:19 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-16 11:53 -0600
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:12 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 09:41 +0200
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 22:36 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:11 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 04:00 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 00:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:05 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:08 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:18 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 22:43 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 22:45 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-16 20:11 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 04:19 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 00:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:06 -0400
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-14 09:06 +0100
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 04:34 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:20 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:21 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 00:00 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:37 +0100
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 08:50 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:24 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 00:30 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 20:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 21:51 -0400
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:11 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:05 -0700
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:25 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:34 +0100
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:19 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:21 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:13 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:30 -0400
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 16:33 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 04:28 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:12 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:42 +0100
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 06:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 14:17 +0100
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:33 -0400
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-14 09:13 +0100
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 04:34 -0400
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-14 05:52 -0700
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:48 +0100
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 12:37 +0200
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 14:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 09:16 -0400
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                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:05 -0400
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                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 09:38 -0400
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 12:50 -0400
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:20 +0000
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 14:40 -0400
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 15:12 -0400
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:08 +0000
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Bernard <alexandrebernard@numericable.fr> - 2016-07-13 18:36 +0000
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 14:41 -0400
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-14 10:01 +1200
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:29 -0400
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 05:04 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 03:40 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:29 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:21 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:30 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:31 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:22 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:34 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:23 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:36 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:25 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-14 19:32 -0700
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:37 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:27 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:41 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:43 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 22:45 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 18:56 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 06:59 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:05 -0400
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:18 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 09:45 +0200
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:35 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 20:41 -0400
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 06:58 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-17 14:06 -0400
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:18 +0000
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 10:35 +0200
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 04:51 -0400
                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 22:07 +0000
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 18:29 -0400
                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 09:54 +0200
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 04:07 -0400
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-14 10:10 +0200
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-14 16:08 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:07 +0000
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 13:19 +0200
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 09:00 +0200
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 07:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-19 07:11 -0600
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 15:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-19 19:44 -0600
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:51 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 18:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-20 08:58 +0200
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 11:01 +0200
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 11:04 +0200
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 15:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 19:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:11 +0000
                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 05:23 +0000
                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 15:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 19:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:10 +0000
                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 18:30 -0400
                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankpuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 06:48 -0600
                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-22 17:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 14:31 -0600
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-22 22:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 07:50 -0600
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 13:53 -0400
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 05:14 -0600
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 12:24 -0400
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 06:27 -0600
                                                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-26 09:47 -0400
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-23 20:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 05:22 -0600
                                                                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-24 12:24 -0400
                                                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 06:35 -0600
                                                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 20:57 -0400
                                                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 07:56 -0600
                                                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 13:53 -0400
                                                                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 05:17 -0600
                                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:44 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 08:11 +0000
                                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 13:24 +0200
                                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 16:19 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 03:56 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-11 15:12 -0700
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 18:20 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-11 15:43 -0700
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 18:49 -0400
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-11 16:17 -0700
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 19:19 -0400
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-11 16:41 -0700
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 01:24 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 08:06 +0100
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 03:56 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-12 08:40 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-12 11:48 +0100
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-07-12 08:59 +1200
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-12 01:27 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 11:43 -0700
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 14:49 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:41 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:05 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:10 -0400
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 20:46 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 17:07 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-10 18:13 +0100
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:18 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 17:22 +0000
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:25 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 14:49 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:50 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 15:57 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:38 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:24 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:32 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-11 20:51 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 21:26 -0400
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-12 06:04 -0600
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-12 16:07 -0400

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#31604

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-13 22:24 +0000
Message-ID<nm6f2f$16jl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31586
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:44:24 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you aren't interested in feature differences between different phones.
> you're only interested in criticizing apple while ignoring just about
> every other phone maker.

As you know, I *am* interested in buying a phone for an August birthday as
a gift for a child would *love* an Apple iPhone.

If I choose a baseline as an iPhone 6s as the iPhone to get her, what *one*
Android phone would you suggest I compare with that iPhone that is the
*closest* possible to a one-to-one feature comparison.

Note I'm not asking about price (that will be easy to determine based on
your selection); so I'm not asking for a price-to-price phone.

I'm asking for the closest feature-to-feature one-to-one comparison.

What one Android phone do you suggest I compare with the Apple 6s?

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#31607

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-13 18:30 -0400
Message-ID<130720161830018007%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31604
In article <nm6f2f$16jl$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > you aren't interested in feature differences between different phones.
> > you're only interested in criticizing apple while ignoring just about
> > every other phone maker.
> 
> As you know, I *am* interested in buying a phone for an August birthday as
> a gift for a child would *love* an Apple iPhone.

i wasn't responding to you.

stop snipping and taking things out of context.

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#31613

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-13 19:11 -0700
Message-ID<nm6scs$ff9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#31604
On 07/13/2016 03:24 PM, Aardvarks wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:44:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> you aren't interested in feature differences between different phones.
>> you're only interested in criticizing apple while ignoring just about
>> every other phone maker.
>
> As you know, I *am* interested in buying a phone for an August birthday as
> a gift for a child would *love* an Apple iPhone.

She's a child.  She'd "love" an iPhone.  She will regard anything else 
as a disappointment to be borne with as good grace as possible, assuming 
she's a GOOD child.  Perhaps she can learn something about price and 
value, perhaps not.

> If I choose a baseline as an iPhone 6s as the iPhone to get her, what *one*
> Android phone would you suggest I compare with that iPhone that is the
> *closest* possible to a one-to-one feature comparison.
>
> Note I'm not asking about price (that will be easy to determine based on
> your selection); so I'm not asking for a price-to-price phone.
>
> I'm asking for the closest feature-to-feature one-to-one comparison.
>
> What one Android phone do you suggest I compare with the Apple 6s?

Good luck with whatever you get.


-- 
Cheers,
Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do.
  They don't have the energy.  If they had that much energy,
  they'd have indoor plumbing by now."         -- Ann Coulter

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#31617

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-14 04:38 +0000
Message-ID<nm7505$1stc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31613
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:39 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> She's a child.  She'd "love" an iPhone.  She will regard anything else 
> as a disappointment to be borne with as good grace as possible, assuming 
> she's a GOOD child.  Perhaps she can learn something about price and 
> value, perhaps not.

They're all good kids, so, while they LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS, I agree with you
that they need to learn how to make intelligent decisions, some of which
involve tradeoffs where they have to weigh what they get against what they
lose against what they gain in price.

In the prior case, they can get 2 Nexus 6 phones plus $150 in spending
money - or - they can get an iPhone 6s. 

What do they gain in raw figures:
- two phones & 150 bucks
What do they lose?
- fingerprint sensor & a "better" camera (more video options)

Of course, it's hard to compare because one is the (far more restrictive,
yet probably "safer") Apple Ecosystem, while the other is the (far more
open, yet, probably less safe) Android Ecosystem.

PS: I'm still waiting for nospam (or anyone who is actually open minded) to
suggest the *closest* Android phone to the iPhone 6s to make this
comparison to in terms of raw specs. It's not easy to find the closest
phone but it's really easy to find phones that aren't the closest.

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#31620

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-13 22:20 -0700
Message-ID<nm77ef$900$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#31617
On 07/13/2016 09:38 PM, Aardvarks wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:39 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> She's a child.  She'd "love" an iPhone.  She will regard anything else
>> as a disappointment to be borne with as good grace as possible, assuming
>> she's a GOOD child.  Perhaps she can learn something about price and
>> value, perhaps not.
>
> They're all good kids, so, while they LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS, I agree with you
> that they need to learn how to make intelligent decisions, some of which
> involve tradeoffs where they have to weigh what they get against what they
> lose against what they gain in price.

You have to figure out what's important to her, which is probably 
different from what's important to you.

I'm in the throes of converting from 32-bit slackware 14.2 to 64-bit 
14.2.  What's NOT working is Picasa, which really runs under wine. 
We've installed the stuff that allows running 32-bit programs, but it 
doesn't seem to be perfect.  Since Picasa is what I've been using to 
edit/share photos since 2007 I'm not happy at having to switch to 
something else.  The switch from picasaweb to google photos is traumatic 
enough.  Christ, I may have to learn GIMP!  More complete, less 
user-friendly.  Did I mention I want EASY?  And then there's google 
earth, another problem even in my 32-bit system(s) and always requiring 
some sort of stupid tweak to get it to run.

Hubby doesn't do photos and isn't really interested in google earth 
aside from its initial novelty a couple of years ago.  FEH!

> In the prior case, they can get 2 Nexus 6 phones plus $150 in spending
> money - or - they can get an iPhone 6s.

Maybe being able to take a selfie is her big thing.  Or the pokemon 
thing that people are playing with now.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
  maintaining a free civil government."
        -- letter from Thomas Jefferson to Baron vonHumboldt, 1813

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#31625

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 03:40 -0400
Message-ID<140720160340088282%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31620
In article <nm77ef$900$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I'm in the throes of converting from 32-bit slackware 14.2 to 64-bit 
> 14.2.

you're still running a 32 bit operating system in 2016? wtf? 

> What's NOT working is Picasa, which really runs under wine. 
> We've installed the stuff that allows running 32-bit programs, but it 
> doesn't seem to be perfect.  Since Picasa is what I've been using to 
> edit/share photos since 2007 I'm not happy at having to switch to 
> something else. 

too bad for you, as picasa is dead.

> The switch from picasaweb to google photos is traumatic 
> enough. 

nonsense. it's a step forward.

> Christ, I may have to learn GIMP!  More complete, less 
> user-friendly. 

since photoshop won't run on linux, you're stuck with crap like the
gimp. 

> Did I mention I want EASY? 

then why are you running linux?

> And then there's google 
> earth, another problem even in my 32-bit system(s) and always requiring 
> some sort of stupid tweak to get it to run.

use google maps.

> Hubby doesn't do photos and isn't really interested in google earth 
> aside from its initial novelty a couple of years ago.  FEH!

so what. what does that have to do with what you do?

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#31648

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-14 21:33 +0000
Message-ID<nm90eo$pl7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31620
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:20:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> You have to figure out what's important to her, which is probably 
> different from what's important to you.

You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that kids need to learn
value.

Just like I learned FAR more about Android and phone specs by trying to get
a 4GB phone to work, you learn nothing if you start with the most expensive
phone that money can buy. 

That phone does everything, and, just like the NFC antenna in my batteries
that I never use, the most expensive phones are jam-packed full-to-the-brim
with useless features to fluff out a marketing list somewhere.

The trick, as you also noted, is to find the features you care about, and
then get *them* for the best value for your dollar.

That will never happen with iOS.
It will never happen on the most expensive Android phones either.

That's why nospam keeps comparing them - because that's the *only* way the
Apple Ecosystem can be artificially made to seem to come out anywhere near
even against the Android Ecosystem.

> I'm in the throes of converting from 32-bit slackware 14.2 to 64-bit 
> 14.2.  What's NOT working is Picasa, which really runs under wine.

Wine. Ug. I swore off Wine years ago. For important stuff, I make use of
grub to dual boot (and share a partition between the two operating
systems).
 
> We've installed the stuff that allows running 32-bit programs, but it 
> doesn't seem to be perfect.  Since Picasa is what I've been using to 
> edit/share photos since 2007 I'm not happy at having to switch to 
> something else. 

I edit screenshots all the time - but not photos, but there's a guy here,
Savageduck, who is an expert in editing photos (but he only knows the Apple
Ecosystem). 

> The switch from picasaweb to google photos is traumatic 
> enough.  Christ, I may have to learn GIMP!  

Oh no! Not The GIMP!

> More complete, less user-friendly.  Did I mention I want EASY?  And then there's google 
> earth, another problem even in my 32-bit system(s) and always requiring 
> some sort of stupid tweak to get it to run.

Funny thing about Google Earth on Ubuntu. It crashes and then you do the
insanity thing. Run it twice. It works the second (or third time). Go
figure. That's a known workaround.
 
> Hubby doesn't do photos and isn't really interested in google earth 
> aside from its initial novelty a couple of years ago.  FEH!

I do a lot of backcountry hiking. Google Earth is great for planning
routes, especially since I don't use trails, where chaparral (which is
nearly impenetrable stuff) is easy to see in Google Earth and impossible on
a normal topo map.
 
> Maybe being able to take a selfie is her big thing.  Or the pokemon 
> thing that people are playing with now.

I am ecstatic that the sister of this kid will have two more fun years with
her phone. Her previous two were in the Wild West of the free open Android
Ecosystem, and now she will try two years in the barbed-wire fenced in
Apple Ecosystem. 

I doubt she'll even notice the difference because she's a kid.
She'll just be happy that she has what every other kid has.

That's fine. Sage wisdom will come with experience.

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#31745

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-15 08:42 +0200
Message-ID<nma0ju$j0v$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#31648
Am 14.07.2016 um 23:33 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:20:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> You have to figure out what's important to her, which is probably
>> different from what's important to you.
>
> You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that kids need to learn
> value.
>
> Just like I learned FAR more about Android and phone specs by trying to get
> a 4GB phone to work, you learn nothing if you start with the most expensive
> phone that money can buy.

Wrong.

> That phone does everything, and, just like the NFC antenna in my batteries
> that I never use, the most expensive phones are jam-packed full-to-the-brim
> with useless features to fluff out a marketing list somewhere.

They might be useless for you, but for others they're important. If you 
disagree, please tell me one feature of a top-class phone *nobody* 
needs. And I literally mean nobody!

> The trick, as you also noted, is to find the features you care about, and
> then get *them* for the best value for your dollar.

That's a reasonable approach. Why don't you take it then for this case 
as well? ;-)

> That will never happen with iOS.

Wrong on any account.

> It will never happen on the most expensive Android phones either.

Again wrong.

Isn't it funny seeing you say a sensible thing in one sentence and then 
contradict yourself right in the next sentence? :-) I find that 
hilarious... :-)

> That's why nospam keeps comparing them - because that's the *only* way the
> Apple Ecosystem can be artificially made to seem to come out anywhere near
> even against the Android Ecosystem.

You're the one who started to compare on a feature-list basis if I may 
remind you. nospam just tried to make that comparison one between apples 
and apples, and not one between apples and pears. And rightfully so.

If you don't like the Apple ecosystem (and apparently have hardly any 
clue about it), why do you keep coming back on it? Simply ignore it and 
live happily ever after. Nobody's forcing you to take any Apple device 
into account for any purpose... You're anyways just following your 
settled opinion that Android is always better and (i.e.) cheaper. Stick 
to it, that's perfectly fine with me (and certainly most others around 
here). No need to keep coming back for confirmation (which you won't get 
the way you want to have it, as the world is not black and white, but 
many, many shades of grey).

Best regards,

Michael

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#31843

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-15 19:56 +0000
Message-ID<nmbf5r$957$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31745
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:42:07 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

>> Just like I learned FAR more about Android and phone specs by trying to get
>> a 4GB phone to work, you learn nothing if you start with the most expensive
>> phone that money can buy.
> 
> Wrong.

Hi Michael,
I respectfully understand your sentiment, but if you never fixed a motor on 
a car, then changes are you've never learned how to fix the motor of a car.

If you've never had to build a fire without matches, then you probably 
haven't learned all that much about building a fire sans matches.

And, if you've never done any winter camping, you haven't learned a dozen 
tricks that it takes to better handle winter camping.

Same thing goes here. If you've never had to make 4GB work to store *more* 
than 4GB of programs, then you probably haven't learned all that much about 
how Android stores and runs programs.

> They might be useless for you, but for others they're important. If you 
> disagree, please tell me one feature of a top-class phone *nobody* 
> needs. And I literally mean nobody!


Unlike you, I'm reasonable.
Nobody can find a feature on a high end phone that *nobody* can use.
I can't either. I'm not God.

For example, I never use NFC on my own phone - but I'm sure plenty of other 
people do.

So what matters in any price:performance comparison is a comparison of the 
performance features that matter, to you. For example, if I did want NFC, I 
would likely want NFC to work with *all* others - not just Apple Pay.

However, if someone else is ensconced 100% within the walled garden, I can 
easily see that they might not care that Apple NFC might not work outside 
the walled garden.

Unlike you, I have the ability to understand that other people care about 
different things (and that's OK).

What's not ok is lying about the features just to protect your Apple image.


> That's a reasonable approach. Why don't you take it then for this case 
> as well? ;-)

I did.
And I always do.


> You're the one who started to compare on a feature-list basis if I may 
> remind you. nospam just tried to make that comparison one between apples 
> and apples, and not one between apples and pears. And rightfully so.

There's nothing wrong with nospam's choice, except that he made it purely 
on price reasons.

He took the most expensive set of phones and compared them to the most 
expensive set of phones.

That seems reasonable, to many (dumb) people too. 
So I don't fault his logic because it's dumb logic.

I fault his logic because it's not a "real" comparison.
A real comparison of price:performance *chooses* the phones based on *both* 
categories.

Price is the dumbest of categories (which is why nospam chose it).
I chose performance to make the comparison of what's essentially equal.

For essentially the same performance (the Nexus 6 beats the iPhone 6 on 
things that don't matter all that much to him and the iPhone 6 beats the 
Nexus 6 on things that don't matter to me), the Nexus 6 is less than half 
the price of the iPhone 6.

What nospam wants to prove is otherwise, but he uses a dumb method to prove 
that. He uses price alone and ignores comparable performance. 

The intelligent trick is to find the performance that matters to you, and 
compare that, and when you find the two phones that meet your criteria - 
then (and only then) you look at price.

> If you don't like the Apple ecosystem (and apparently have hardly any 
> clue about it), why do you keep coming back on it? Simply ignore it and 
> live happily ever after. Nobody's forcing you to take any Apple device 
> into account for any purpose... 

My biggest concern is *understanding* why the Apple Apologists are an 
irrational group who will lie to protect their product line.

You don't see me lying to protect Android, do you?
I don't even like Android (it's a royal mess).

It's far more open than is iOS; but I won't lie to protect it.
Why do the Apple Apologists lie so much just to protect their image?
(Is image all they care about?)

? You're anyways just following your 
> settled opinion that Android is always better and (i.e.) cheaper. 

You clearly have a closed mind.
I don't even like Android.
It's far better than iOS for open ness, and it's far worse than iOS for 
privacy. It's far better than iOS for price, and it's far worse than iOS 
for simplicity. It's far better than iOS for flexibility and it's far worse 
than iOS for reliability.

I simply have an open mind.
You Apple Apologists seem to have a closed mind.

But, I do THANK YOU for your post because I just realized WHY you Apple 
Apologists have such a closed mind such that you feel you must lie to 
protect Apple's image.

> Stick 
> to it, that's perfectly fine with me (and certainly most others around 
> here). No need to keep coming back for confirmation (which you won't get 
> the way you want to have it, as the world is not black and white, but 
> many, many shades of grey).

What I'm trying to understand is WHY you Apple Apologists lie to protect 
your Apple image.

Why don't the Android Enthusiasts lie?
We don't lie because we don't care to protect the Android image.

Android sucks for lots of things.
Apple sucks for lots of things.
Android is great for lots of things.
Apple is great for some things.

I think the difference here, is that the Apple Apologists bought Apple 
equipment not for price:performance reasons - but for IMAGE reasons.

So, you lie to protect the image of the product image you bought into.

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#32047

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-18 09:54 +0200
Message-ID<nmi1uv$t80$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#31843
Am 15.07.2016 um 21:56 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:42:07 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>>> Just like I learned FAR more about Android and phone specs by trying to get
>>> a 4GB phone to work, you learn nothing if you start with the most expensive
>>> phone that money can buy.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> Hi Michael,
> I respectfully understand your sentiment, but if you never fixed a motor on
> a car, then changes are you've never learned how to fix the motor of a car.

If I needed to fix the motor of a car, you would be right. But that's 
not the point in question.

> If you've never had to build a fire without matches, then you probably
> haven't learned all that much about building a fire sans matches.
>
> And, if you've never done any winter camping, you haven't learned a dozen
> tricks that it takes to better handle winter camping.
>
> Same thing goes here. If you've never had to make 4GB work to store *more*
> than 4GB of programs, then you probably haven't learned all that much about
> how Android stores and runs programs.

You're starting with the wrong (resp. completely useless) hypothesis, 
that there's a point in squeezing so much data (of whichever type) into 
such a way outdated phone. Doing so (if you succeed at all) you'll 
certainly learn a lot, no doubt. But, and that was my point, that's by 
far not the only way to learn a lot about something! If I have a 128GB 
phone, what particular knowledge I gained from such a 4GB nightmare 
would I be likely to need? Right: Nothing. However, I might need types 
of information you might've never gained in your 4GB ordeal, and thus I 
will learn things without going through the 4GB exercise.

>> They might be useless for you, but for others they're important. If you
>> disagree, please tell me one feature of a top-class phone *nobody*
>> needs. And I literally mean nobody!
>
>
> Unlike you, I'm reasonable.
> Nobody can find a feature on a high end phone that *nobody* can use.
> I can't either. I'm not God.

And yet you claimed that some of the features of high-end phones are 
*only* there for the marketing brochures and their feature lists. You're 
contradicting yourself... ;-)

> For example, I never use NFC on my own phone - but I'm sure plenty of other
> people do.
>
> So what matters in any price:performance comparison is a comparison of the
> performance features that matter, to you. For example, if I did want NFC, I
> would likely want NFC to work with *all* others - not just Apple Pay.

For you (and others) that might be important, for others it might not. 
People are different.

> However, if someone else is ensconced 100% within the walled garden, I can
> easily see that they might not care that Apple NFC might not work outside
> the walled garden.

That's got nothing to do with a walled garden, the questions are simply:

1) Do I want to pay via NFC at all?
2) Is my credit card supported by Apple Pay?
3) Do the shops I want to pay in with Apple Pay support it?

IF you answer all three of the questions with yes, you could be 
perfectly happy with the Apple implementation - and it would've exactly 
nothing to do with the question whether it's a walled garden or not.

> Unlike you, I have the ability to understand that other people care about
> different things (and that's OK).

We're still waiting for you to show this ability. So far all we read 
from you were rantings that things (i.e. on Apple devices) are not as 
*you* wanted them. If people told you that others have different 
preferences than you, you failed in being able to accept that. And 
you've shown that time after time, the regulars here are my witnesses.

> What's not ok is lying about the features just to protect your Apple image.

I'm lying? Do you really want to go there again???

>> That's a reasonable approach. Why don't you take it then for this case
>> as well? ;-)
>
> I did.
> And I always do.

Very questionable, if not outright false.

>> You're the one who started to compare on a feature-list basis if I may
>> remind you. nospam just tried to make that comparison one between apples
>> and apples, and not one between apples and pears. And rightfully so.
>
> There's nothing wrong with nospam's choice, except that he made it purely
> on price reasons.
>
> He took the most expensive set of phones and compared them to the most
> expensive set of phones.

And there was a reason behind that: Similar prices inherently (in this 
business) means rather similar feature lists.

> That seems reasonable, to many (dumb) people too.
> So I don't fault his logic because it's dumb logic.
>
> I fault his logic because it's not a "real" comparison.
> A real comparison of price:performance *chooses* the phones based on *both*
> categories.

Yet you *never* came up with any performance comparison, just with some 
irrelevant specs. And i.e. in case of the clock speed of the CPU this is 
(almost) completely useless, as different CPU designers were able to get 
different power from any instruction cycle. Even though almost all CPUs 
in smartphone are based in the general ARM design.

> Price is the dumbest of categories (which is why nospam chose it).
> I chose performance to make the comparison of what's essentially equal.

You may've chosen performance, but you never ever came up with any 
performance comparison beyond sheer technical data.

> For essentially the same performance (the Nexus 6 beats the iPhone 6 on
> things that don't matter all that much to him and the iPhone 6 beats the
> Nexus 6 on things that don't matter to me), the Nexus 6 is less than half
> the price of the iPhone 6.
>
> What nospam wants to prove is otherwise, but he uses a dumb method to prove
> that. He uses price alone and ignores comparable performance.

Please come up with reliable performance figures first!

> The intelligent trick is to find the performance that matters to you, and
> compare that, and when you find the two phones that meet your criteria -
> then (and only then) you look at price.

Good idea, why don't you execute on it?

>> If you don't like the Apple ecosystem (and apparently have hardly any
>> clue about it), why do you keep coming back on it? Simply ignore it and
>> live happily ever after. Nobody's forcing you to take any Apple device
>> into account for any purpose...
>
> My biggest concern is *understanding* why the Apple Apologists are an
> irrational group who will lie to protect their product line.

And you call "the Apple Apologists are an irrational group who will lie 
to protect their product line" an open minded approach? You must be 
*very* lonely in your strange world...

> You don't see me lying to protect Android, do you?

I see you wiggling, changing topics all the time, ...

> I don't even like Android (it's a royal mess).

Then why do you care in the first place? And no, please don't start the 
next thread on an Windows Mobile vs iOS comparison!

> It's far more open than is iOS; but I won't lie to protect it.
> Why do the Apple Apologists lie so much just to protect their image?
> (Is image all they care about?)

First you call me a liar on several occasions, now you call me a liar to 
protect some image of mine? You really should consider what kind of 
image of yours you giving here. But you were told about that many times 
already, you didn't change a thing, which in the end just confirms what 
everybody around here knows: You're a troll. And not even a good one.

> ? You're anyways just following your
>> settled opinion that Android is always better and (i.e.) cheaper.
>
> You clearly have a closed mind.

Oh, I do? Strange enough that many people around me actually thing of me 
as a very open-minded guy. :-)

> I don't even like Android.
> It's far better than iOS for open ness, and it's far worse than iOS for
> privacy. It's far better than iOS for price,

The latter is simply false. You don't pay for either Android, nor iOS.

> and it's far worse than iOS
> for simplicity. It's far better than iOS for flexibility and it's far worse
> than iOS for reliability.
>
> I simply have an open mind.

No.

> You Apple Apologists seem to have a closed mind.

No. Well, some may, but in general it's just the opposite. iOS users 
were open enough to understand the intrinsic logic of iOS, and to learn 
that it does have its advantages. You're the one not willing to accept 
that. If people try to tell you why (and where) the Apple approach is 
superior, you debunk that as lies of Apple fans. Yet I've never ever 
seen you reconsider your point of view... For me that's the exact 
opposite of an open mind.

> But, I do THANK YOU for your post because I just realized WHY you Apple
> Apologists have such a closed mind such that you feel you must lie to
> protect Apple's image.

And again you call me a liar, yet this time in order to protect Apple's 
image. Get your skulls checked!

>> Stick
>> to it, that's perfectly fine with me (and certainly most others around
>> here). No need to keep coming back for confirmation (which you won't get
>> the way you want to have it, as the world is not black and white, but
>> many, many shades of grey).
>
> What I'm trying to understand is WHY you Apple Apologists lie to protect
> your Apple image.
>
> Why don't the Android Enthusiasts lie?
> We don't lie because we don't care to protect the Android image.

This post is getting better line by line. Further up you claimed 
explicitly that you're not a fan of Android (and if I hadn't known 
better from your past postings, I might even have believed that). Yet 
here you explicitly say that you're an "Android Enthusiast". You're 
contradicting yourself, again.

> Android sucks for lots of things.
> Apple sucks for lots of things.
> Android is great for lots of things.
> Apple is great for some things.

Yet, whenever somebody dares to tell you about some advantage of Apple 
devices, you call him a liar.

> I think the difference here, is that the Apple Apologists bought Apple
> equipment not for price:performance reasons - but for IMAGE reasons.

For some that's certainly true. However, you find that with Android 
users just as well, plus people buying Android devices simply so they 
can tell "I didn't buy an Apple device!"

> So, you lie to protect the image of the product image you bought into.

Again you call me a liar, this time not for my image, not for the image 
of Apple, but for the product image. You can't even make up your mind 
why I would be lying.

And still, you haven't shown a single statement of mine, where I was lying.

Anyway, that's it for me. You called me a liar on several occasions, 
within this single post even several times. I asked (in other posts) for 
an excuse, but no, instead of rethinking your ways your getting only 
worse. I won't answer anymore to any of your senseless postings, neither 
here nor in the other parts of this thread. You're clueless, you're 
pathetic, you're narrow-minded. Actually, that's not even coming close: 
your mind is so closed, I'm wondering how even a single molecule of 
oxygen could get in there - but perhaps it doesn't? That would explain 
quite a lot...

Michael

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#32121

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-18 21:47 +0000
Message-ID<nmjipg$146c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#32047
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:54:06 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> You're starting with the wrong (resp. completely useless) hypothesis, 
> that there's a point in squeezing so much data (of whichever type) into 
> such a way outdated phone. Doing so (if you succeed at all) you'll 
> certainly learn a lot, no doubt. But, and that was my point, that's by 
> far not the only way to learn a lot about something! If I have a 128GB 
> phone, what particular knowledge I gained from such a 4GB nightmare 
> would I be likely to need? Right: Nothing. However, I might need types 
> of information you might've never gained in your 4GB ordeal, and thus I 
> will learn things without going through the 4GB exercise.

Hi Michael,
Remember, I buy more phones than most people buy.

You'll learn a lot more about handling of a corvette if you align it
yourself to reduce understeer than you'll ever learn simply pointing the
thing around curves using the steering wheel.

That's because I give them out as gifts.

If I wanted a phone for "myself", I would buy a high-end phone.
For example, I got the Samsung Galaxy SIII in 2012 or so.

For "me", while price:performance always matters, performance weighs
heavily over price (because I only buy 1 phone every 5 years or so).

But if I'm buying a phone as a gift for a kid, then what matters is the
best price:performance I can get.

And, one of the early price:performance considerations is the amount of
fixed internal storage.

You'll learn *nothing* about internal storage price performance if you
already have a 128GB phone.

That's because, with a 128GB phone, you won't have *any* of the problems
that you'll have with a 4GB phone.

I know this because I had a 16GB phone for years, and I learned more about
storage price:performance issues with the 4GB phones I tried to make work
than I did with my 16GB phone.

It's the nature of the beast. 

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#32207

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-19 08:43 +0200
Message-ID<nmki66$mb8$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#32121
Am 18.07.2016 um 23:47 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:54:06 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>> You're starting with the wrong (resp. completely useless) hypothesis,
>> that there's a point in squeezing so much data (of whichever type) into
>> such a way outdated phone. Doing so (if you succeed at all) you'll
>> certainly learn a lot, no doubt. But, and that was my point, that's by
>> far not the only way to learn a lot about something! If I have a 128GB
>> phone, what particular knowledge I gained from such a 4GB nightmare
>> would I be likely to need? Right: Nothing. However, I might need types
>> of information you might've never gained in your 4GB ordeal, and thus I
>> will learn things without going through the 4GB exercise.
>
> Hi Michael,
> Remember, I buy more phones than most people buy.
>
> You'll learn a lot more about handling of a corvette if you align it
> yourself to reduce understeer than you'll ever learn simply pointing the
> thing around curves using the steering wheel.
>
> That's because I give them out as gifts.
>
> If I wanted a phone for "myself", I would buy a high-end phone.
> For example, I got the Samsung Galaxy SIII in 2012 or so.
>
> For "me", while price:performance always matters, performance weighs
> heavily over price (because I only buy 1 phone every 5 years or so).
>
> But if I'm buying a phone as a gift for a kid, then what matters is the
> best price:performance I can get.
>
> And, one of the early price:performance considerations is the amount of
> fixed internal storage.
>
> You'll learn *nothing* about internal storage price performance if you
> already have a 128GB phone.
>
> That's because, with a 128GB phone, you won't have *any* of the problems
> that you'll have with a 4GB phone.
>
> I know this because I had a 16GB phone for years, and I learned more about
> storage price:performance issues with the 4GB phones I tried to make work
> than I did with my 16GB phone.
>
> It's the nature of the beast.

As usual you completely missed my point. Whether you do it on purpose or 
not I don't care, there's simply no point in a 'discussion' if the other 
one behaves the way you do.

Michael

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#32335

Fromtlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date2016-07-20 04:01 -0400
Message-ID<ixjar6v3bx5a.1lnwecntdn002.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#32121
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:47:29 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks digressed a moment from
phones to write:

> You'll learn a lot more about handling of a corvette if you align it
> yourself to reduce understeer than you'll ever learn simply pointing the
> thing around curves using the steering wheel.
> 
> That's because I give them out as gifts.

 :-) . I don't think your giving them out as gifts will help me learn "more
about [the] handling of a  corvette if I align it [my]self". But feel free
to give one of them out to me -- I've always had a hankering for a 'vette.

Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#32420

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-20 18:40 +0000
Message-ID<nmogi6$1rbe$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#32335
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:01:07 -0400, tlvp wrote:

>  :-) . I don't think your giving them out as gifts will help me learn "more
> about [the] handling of a  corvette if I align it [my]self". But feel free
> to give one of them out to me -- I've always had a hankering for a 'vette.

However, if I give you that corvette you seek, I will take the liberty of
reducing the understeer before you take delivery!

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#31622

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-14 09:27 +0200
Message-ID<nm7esv$i50$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#31617
Am 14.07.2016 um 06:38 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:39 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> She's a child.  She'd "love" an iPhone.  She will regard anything else
>> as a disappointment to be borne with as good grace as possible, assuming
>> she's a GOOD child.  Perhaps she can learn something about price and
>> value, perhaps not.
>
> They're all good kids, so, while they LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS, I agree with you
> that they need to learn how to make intelligent decisions, some of which
> involve tradeoffs where they have to weigh what they get against what they
> lose against what they gain in price.

In order to take that decision for her you would first of all need to 
understand *her* requirements, based on *her* usecase(s). Forget your 
reasoning, this is completely irrelevant if you want to make *her* happy 
(and not yourself).

> In the prior case, they can get 2 Nexus 6 phones plus $150 in spending
> money - or - they can get an iPhone 6s.
>
> What do they gain in raw figures:
> - two phones & 150 bucks
> What do they lose?
> - fingerprint sensor & a "better" camera (more video options)

She might get apps that aren't available on Android, she might get 
reputation for having an Apple device (instead of a cheap Android 
device), she might prefer the bigger security of iOS, the (far) better 
OS upgrades, the Apple Music offerings, the iTunes bookstore, ... Or 
not, I can't tell. Perhaps there are add-ons she would like to use, 
which are only available (to her) for iPhones, perhaps she wants to 
share some infrastructure already in place and prepared for iPhones, 
perhaps she owns a Mac (and synchronizing/backing up the iPhone there is 
much easier than for any Android device), ... Many possibilities, but 
for all I know about teenage girls, a feature comparison is very (very) 
likely not anywhere near the top of her priority list. Therefore it 
might be really better if you stopped being so obsessed by your shoot-out...

> Of course, it's hard to compare because one is the (far more restrictive,
> yet probably "safer") Apple Ecosystem, while the other is the (far more
> open, yet, probably less safe) Android Ecosystem.

What about simply asking her about *her* priorities? What about talking 
to her (if her priorities are not convincing enough for you to open the 
purse enough) and offering her to pay a part (in the amount of a 
comparably good Android device e.g.) of the iPhone, and she's to cover 
the rest? Be more flexible, and less obsessed by your own criteria. It's 
a gift after all, that meant to make the recipient happy, not you!

> PS: I'm still waiting for nospam (or anyone who is actually open minded) to
> suggest the *closest* Android phone to the iPhone 6s to make this
> comparison to in terms of raw specs. It's not easy to find the closest
> phone but it's really easy to find phones that aren't the closest.

Totally wrong approach. And therefore I won't go there.

Best regards,

Michael

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#31649

FromAardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date2016-07-14 22:11 +0000
Message-ID<nm92nb$tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31622
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:27:26 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> In order to take that decision for her you would first of all need to 
> understand *her* requirements, based on *her* usecase(s). Forget your 
> reasoning, this is completely irrelevant if you want to make *her* happy 
> (and not yourself).

You have kids?
You don't always give them what they want.
You give them what they need.

> She might get apps that aren't available on Android

We've been down that road so many times, it won't be any funnier going down 
that road again. You can hang on to the incorrect assumption that there are 
apps in the iOS Ecosystem that aren't in the Android Ecosystem, but the 
plain fact is that, in essence, the app selection is about the same.

Sure, there are far more apps in terms of numbers on Android, but how many 
calculator apps do you need?

And, sure, the Apple Ecosystem restricts entire classes of apps (see 
previous listing of types of apps disallowed in iOS), but, most of those 
apps are for special uses (e.g., automatic call recording).

In the pragmatic sense, despite the lack of sheer numbers and basic 
capabilities of the Apple Ecosystem, essentially the app selection "for a 
kid" is about the same for both ecosystems.

And, so far, based on what she has told me, she has already found a 1-to-1 
selection of apps on the iPhone 6 that she had on the Nexus 6 that she 
cared for.

> she might get 
> reputation for having an Apple device (instead of a cheap Android 
> device)

Let's not go there because the highly educated technorati I know here in 
the Silicon Valley wouldn't be caught dead with the inability to do things 
(e.g., wardriving) that are inherent in the iOS ecosystem.

However, for a kid, the cachet of her finally having the iPhone she always 
wanted is certainly a valuable asset (to a kid). 

> she might prefer the bigger security of iOS, 

The Apple Ecosystem is indeed "more secure" than the Android Ecosystem, 
although I doubt kids care all that much about the distinction. Those kinds 
of decisions come later in life, with experience (because there is *always* 
a tradeoff to be made between security and flexibility).

> the (far) better OS upgrades,

Again, I grant that the mere fact that the OS is upgraded for a longer 
period of time is valuable, in and of itself - however - there is nothing 
in those upgrades which allows them to do the things that Apple just won't 
allow them to do (e.g., you still can't organize your desktop any way you 
want, even though the old Androids have been doing that for years).

> the Apple Music offerings, the iTunes bookstore, ... 

Heh heh ... this child has been taught well, so, there will be no Apple 
Music offerings, and no iTunes bookstore, and no credit card, and never 
(ever!) will these kids pay for functionality that they can get for free.

I do realize that Apple users pay 2.5 times what Android users pay for 
in-app purchases - but not these kids - even when they're on Apple 
products. They know what they're doing - they're not saps - nor whales.

PT Barnum will have to just fleece someone else - not them!

> Perhaps there are add-ons she would like to use, 
> which are only available (to her) for iPhones, perhaps she wants to 
> share some infrastructure already in place and prepared for iPhones,

Maybe. We'll see. 
 
> perhaps she owns a Mac (and synchronizing/backing up the iPhone there is 
> much easier than for any Android device), ...

She is on Windows 10, as I bought her the Windows 8 computer for her, and 
we updated it to Windows 10 late last summer. She's not technical, so, for 
her, she just punches the buttons we give her.

> Many possibilities, but 
> for all I know about teenage girls, a feature comparison is very (very) 
> likely not anywhere near the top of her priority list. Therefore it 
> might be really better if you stopped being so obsessed by your shoot-out...

I already said very many times, she won't even notice the feature 
differences between the Apple Ecosystem and the Android Ecosystem.

She just wants an iPhone because that's what all the other kids have.

> What about simply asking her about *her* priorities? 

She makes phone calls.
And she maps when she's lost.
And she browses the web.
And she chats with her friends.
And she plays games.
And watches free TV shows (she knows how to watch current stuff for free 
far better than I do)

> What about talking 
> to her (if her priorities are not convincing enough for you to open the 
> purse enough) and offering her to pay a part (in the amount of a 
> comparably good Android device e.g.) of the iPhone, and she's to cover 
> the rest? 

She's happy now. 
She has both the iPhone 6 and the Nexus 5.
And, the plan is to give back the Nexus 5 next time I see her so as to give 
it to someone else (a far younger kid).

> Be more flexible, and less obsessed by your own criteria. 

I'm the gift giver. I use phones as gifts. I must have bought six or seven 
over the past few years as gifts, maybe more. It's what I do.

> It's a gift after all, that meant to make the recipient happy, not you!

There are two ways to choose a gift to a kid:
a. Give them what they want, or,
b. Give them what they need.

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#31747

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2016-07-15 09:02 +0200
Message-ID<nma1qv$k26$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#31649
Am 15.07.2016 um 00:11 schrieb Aardvarks:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:27:26 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>> In order to take that decision for her you would first of all need to
>> understand *her* requirements, based on *her* usecase(s). Forget your
>> reasoning, this is completely irrelevant if you want to make *her* happy
>> (and not yourself).
>
> You have kids?

Sure!

> You don't always give them what they want.

Nope. But I always (she's grown up by now) tried to get as close as 
possible (while being reasonable) to her wishes. I never tried to impose 
my wishes on her, unless there was really a very good reason. Rather I 
tried to understand her reasoning behind her wishes, think about them 
(both from my perspective *and* hers), and then (if I still have a 
different opinion) argue with her. In the end we always came to a common 
understanding, that was both ok with her and me. At times this required 
creative compromises (in the sense of 'Ok, you get an iPhone if you give 
x€ to it'), but our kid was (and is) always sensible enough to 
understand good reasoning (and not just blah-blah).

> You give them what they need.

I give them what makes sense and is possible. 'Making sense' however is 
a wide field... ;-)

>> She might get apps that aren't available on Android
>
> We've been down that road so many times, it won't be any funnier going down
> that road again. You can hang on to the incorrect assumption that there are
> apps in the iOS Ecosystem that aren't in the Android Ecosystem, but the
> plain fact is that, in essence, the app selection is about the same.

About - yes. In detail - no. Relevant for her? Probably not, but I'm 
certainly in no position to make a call on that.

> Sure, there are far more apps in terms of numbers on Android, but how many
> calculator apps do you need?

As if I was talking about calculators - and you know that!

> And, sure, the Apple Ecosystem restricts entire classes of apps (see
> previous listing of types of apps disallowed in iOS), but, most of those
> apps are for special uses (e.g., automatic call recording).

Relevant for her? Most probably not.

> In the pragmatic sense, despite the lack of sheer numbers and basic
> capabilities of the Apple Ecosystem, essentially the app selection "for a
> kid" is about the same for both ecosystems.

And still there might be that very specific app she would like to use 
(because her friends play the same game, because school suggests to use 
exactly that one, ...) that's only available on one platform, but not on 
the other. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.

> And, so far, based on what she has told me, she has already found a 1-to-1
> selection of apps on the iPhone 6 that she had on the Nexus 6 that she
> cared for.

Good. :-)

>> she might get
>> reputation for having an Apple device (instead of a cheap Android
>> device)
>
> Let's not go there because the highly educated technorati I know here in
> the Silicon Valley wouldn't be caught dead with the inability to do things
> (e.g., wardriving) that are inherent in the iOS ecosystem.

As if you could compare the requirements of technorati with the 
requirements of a teenage(?) girl... Come on, you can do better than that!

> However, for a kid, the cachet of her finally having the iPhone she always
> wanted is certainly a valuable asset (to a kid).

Definitively.

>> she might prefer the bigger security of iOS,
>
> The Apple Ecosystem is indeed "more secure" than the Android Ecosystem,
> although I doubt kids care all that much about the distinction. Those kinds
> of decisions come later in life, with experience (because there is *always*
> a tradeoff to be made between security and flexibility).

That's why I said 'she might'... ;-)

>> the (far) better OS upgrades,
>
> Again, I grant that the mere fact that the OS is upgraded for a longer
> period of time is valuable, in and of itself - however - there is nothing
> in those upgrades which allows them to do the things that Apple just won't
> allow them to do (e.g., you still can't organize your desktop any way you
> want, even though the old Androids have been doing that for years).

You're completely missing the point here: The upgrades I'm talking about 
are not for additional features, but for correcting bugs - i.e. security 
relevant ones. And if you really cared about the well-being of that 
girl, THAT would be one very good reason to go for the iPhone. Just to 
make that girl as safe as possible from bad things on the net...

>> the Apple Music offerings, the iTunes bookstore, ...
>
> Heh heh ... this child has been taught well, so, there will be no Apple
> Music offerings, and no iTunes bookstore, and no credit card, and never
> (ever!) will these kids pay for functionality that they can get for free.

'For free is always better than paid'? You know that you said that that 
girl would rather go for illegal offers (i.e. for downloading music or 
films, ...) than to pay for it? Is that what you call 'well taught'?

> I do realize that Apple users pay 2.5 times what Android users pay for
> in-app purchases - but not these kids - even when they're on Apple
> products. They know what they're doing - they're not saps - nor whales.

Nobody said so, not even the statistics. The *average* iOS user spends 
more for (more) app and in-app purchases, but that doesn't mean at all 
that each and every iOS user spends more (or even anything) on them.

> PT Barnum will have to just fleece someone else - not them!
>
>> Perhaps there are add-ons she would like to use,
>> which are only available (to her) for iPhones, perhaps she wants to
>> share some infrastructure already in place and prepared for iPhones,
>
> Maybe. We'll see.
>
>> perhaps she owns a Mac (and synchronizing/backing up the iPhone there is
>> much easier than for any Android device), ...
>
> She is on Windows 10, as I bought her the Windows 8 computer for her, and
> we updated it to Windows 10 late last summer. She's not technical, so, for
> her, she just punches the buttons we give her.
>
>> Many possibilities, but
>> for all I know about teenage girls, a feature comparison is very (very)
>> likely not anywhere near the top of her priority list. Therefore it
>> might be really better if you stopped being so obsessed by your shoot-out...
>
> I already said very many times, she won't even notice the feature
> differences between the Apple Ecosystem and the Android Ecosystem.
>
> She just wants an iPhone because that's what all the other kids have.

Well, that's at least some reason to be considered. It doesn't have to 
be a major one in the final decision, but it should be at least considered.

>> What about simply asking her about *her* priorities?
>
> She makes phone calls.
> And she maps when she's lost.
> And she browses the web.
> And she chats with her friends.
> And she plays games.
> And watches free TV shows (she knows how to watch current stuff for free
> far better than I do)

You're missing here e.g. the point, that she would prefer an iPhone for 
social reasons (which you just stated above). That's a priority as well!

>> What about talking
>> to her (if her priorities are not convincing enough for you to open the
>> purse enough) and offering her to pay a part (in the amount of a
>> comparably good Android device e.g.) of the iPhone, and she's to cover
>> the rest?
>
> She's happy now.
> She has both the iPhone 6 and the Nexus 5.
> And, the plan is to give back the Nexus 5 next time I see her so as to give
> it to someone else (a far younger kid).
>
>> Be more flexible, and less obsessed by your own criteria.
>
> I'm the gift giver. I use phones as gifts. I must have bought six or seven
> over the past few years as gifts, maybe more. It's what I do.

And I don't object to that at all. Please read my statement again and 
try to understand it.

>> It's a gift after all, that meant to make the recipient happy, not you!
>
> There are two ways to choose a gift to a kid:
> a. Give them what they want, or,
> b. Give them what they need.

Wrong, there are more.

Best regards,

Michael

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#31623

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 03:40 -0400
Message-ID<140720160340068160%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31617
In article <nm7505$1stc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> PS: I'm still waiting for nospam (or anyone who is actually open minded) to
> suggest the *closest* Android phone to the iPhone 6s to make this
> comparison to in terms of raw specs. It's not easy to find the closest
> phone but it's really easy to find phones that aren't the closest.

no you're not.

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#31633

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 09:10 +0100
Message-ID<nm7hdl$4hi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#31617
On 14/07/2016 05:38, Aardvarks wrote:
[]
> PS: I'm still waiting for nospam (or anyone who is actually open minded) to
> suggest the *closest* Android phone to the iPhone 6s to make this
> comparison to in terms of raw specs. It's not easy to find the closest
> phone but it's really easy to find phones that aren't the closest.

I might suggest that these days, raw specs alone are not the best way to 
compare.  They are a starting point, of course.  But what does it matter 
if one phone takes 0.1 seconds to render a Web page and another 0.2 
seconds, when the Web site itself or network takes a second or more?

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#31638

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-14 04:34 -0400
Message-ID<140720160434525320%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#31633
In article <nm7hdl$4hi$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> > PS: I'm still waiting for nospam (or anyone who is actually open minded) to
> > suggest the *closest* Android phone to the iPhone 6s to make this
> > comparison to in terms of raw specs. It's not easy to find the closest
> > phone but it's really easy to find phones that aren't the closest.
> 
> I might suggest that these days, raw specs alone are not the best way to 
> compare.  They are a starting point, of course.  But what does it matter 
> if one phone takes 0.1 seconds to render a Web page and another 0.2 
> seconds, when the Web site itself or network takes a second or more?

except that the differences are often much more than 0.1 second, and
for tasks done very frequently, it adds up, fast.

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