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  SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-06 21:29 -0400
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-07 09:15 -0400
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-07 15:50 +0100
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:30 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:30 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:27 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:09 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:28 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 17:41 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:24 -0800
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:38 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 02:01 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-11 12:32 +0100
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:19 -0800
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:20 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:24 +0100
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:08 +0200
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:51 +0100
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 13:40 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 13:28 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 13:27 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-11 12:39 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 10:38 -0700
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-11 13:58 +0000
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-11 14:12 +0000
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-12 20:36 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-12 20:40 +0000
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:19 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:52 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-12 20:44 +0200
                  Storage media availability over time (was: Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 09:20 +0100
                    Re: Storage media availability over time Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-16 10:01 -0800
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:28 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:22 +0100
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 08:50 -0800
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:27 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:34 -0800
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 13:02 -0400
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-11 06:20 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-11 14:37 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-11 10:21 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:18 -0800
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-12 06:00 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 20:47 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-12 17:03 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-12 20:41 +0200
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-13 18:59 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 07:56 +0200
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:00 +0100
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 08:34 -0800
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:10 +0200
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-15 19:33 +0200
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:23 +0200
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:18 +0200
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-17 17:41 +0000
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-14 00:21 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-14 20:23 -0800
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-14 00:20 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:37 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-15 19:34 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 20:09 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 17:38 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 11:49 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-10 18:04 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-11 06:33 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-11 05:54 +0000
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 10:18 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:30 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-15 15:19 +0000
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-11 10:01 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 10:11 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:34 +0200
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-08-07 16:57 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:32 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-08-10 09:25 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 08:47 +0100
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:40 -0800
    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:15 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 22:34 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:28 -0800
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:42 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 17:40 +0100
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:28 -0800
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:43 +0100
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-08 20:57 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-09 14:33 +0000
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 14:28 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:32 -0800
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 18:34 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 02:20 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 07:31 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-08-10 08:59 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-08-10 11:06 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 10:33 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-08-10 10:51 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 10:25 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 09:43 +0100
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 10:34 -0400
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:24 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 09:42 -0400
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0100
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 15:21 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 14:21 -0400
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 22:31 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 19:33 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-10 02:48 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 02:25 -0400
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-09 14:43 +0000
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 13:21 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-10 18:01 +0000
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 14:55 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-10 19:19 +0000
              [OT] non-Unix fingers (was: Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-11 01:00 +0100
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 21:02 +0100

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#154780 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 07.08.26 19:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-07 03:29, micky wrote:
>> So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
>> that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or
>>            B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.
>>
>> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>> slot?
> 
> SD card is not important now - I have not used one in a decade. Being 
> able to plugin a second sim, or an esim, (both possibilities would be nice).
> 
> That way I can travel to Canada and buy in advance an esim while in 
> Europe. My current phone has "A", so for my next trip I will need to 
> update. Next year.

I travel to North America with my physical SIM and # I use at home. No
changes at all.

This dual SIM where nobody knows the second # is obsolete and a thing of
the past. Btw it is more and more difficult to get a foreign SIM without
a lot of bureaucracy and a waste of time.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#154882 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>> slot?
> 
> SD card is not important now - I have not used one in a decade.

More than half of all current & recent Android phones have sd slots.

Why do you think 60% of all current/recent Android phones have sd slots?

Because they do things that cannot be done even with other methods.

Yes, most of those things can be bought back by desperate consumers.
At a huge cost, where always, the consumer pays for the lost functionality.

In fact, the consumer pays through the nose to replace that sd slot.
Which is why it's absurd that anyone would claim to say they're obsolete.

And yet, there is still one thing sd card slots allow the user that is
impossible to buy back any other way, even paying through the nose for
initial extra storage and never-ending cloud subscriptions to replace
"some" of the lost functionality of the missing sd slot (saving the OEM
about fifty cents).

                        portable storage 
                       (private, offline)

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#154914 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 2026-08-10 18:28, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>>> slot?
>>
>> SD card is not important now - I have not used one in a decade.
> 
> More than half of all current & recent Android phones have sd slots.
> 
> Why do you think 60% of all current/recent Android phones have sd slots?
> 
> Because they do things that cannot be done even with other methods.
> 
> Yes, most of those things can be bought back by desperate consumers.
> At a huge cost, where always, the consumer pays for the lost functionality.
> 
> In fact, the consumer pays through the nose to replace that sd slot.
> Which is why it's absurd that anyone would claim to say they're obsolete.
> 
> And yet, there is still one thing sd card slots allow the user that is
> impossible to buy back any other way, even paying through the nose for
> initial extra storage and never-ending cloud subscriptions to replace
> "some" of the lost functionality of the missing sd slot (saving the OEM
> about fifty cents).
> 
>                          portable storage
>                         (private, offline)

I have not used the SD card in maybe a decade. Yes, my phone has it.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154885 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> SD card is not important now - I have not used one in a decade

Neither have I, but I would likely have used one if I had the option on 
a Pixel.

> On a tablet is different, mine has a SD card.

so does mine, but it has 2x the storage of my phone, so no need yet.

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#154889 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> SD card is not important now - I have not used one in a decade
> 
> Neither have I, but I would likely have used one if I had the option on 
> a Pixel.
> 
>> On a tablet is different, mine has a SD card.
> 
> so does mine, but it has 2x the storage of my phone, so no need yet.

The only reason for 40% of Androids not having sd card slots, is the big
OEMs make a ton of money by the consumer desperately replacing the lost
functionality from them.

Here are the top 70 of the 40% of Android phones that lack the
functionality of an sd slot (which saved the OEM's about 50 cents).

Google
  Google Pixel 10
  Google Pixel 10 Pro
  Google Pixel 10 Pro XL
  Google Pixel 10a
  Google Pixel 7
  Google Pixel 7 Pro
  Google Pixel 8
  Google Pixel 8 Pro

Honor
  Honor 600
  Honor 600 Pro
  Honor X9d

Huawei
  Huawei Pura 90s Pro Max

Infinix
  Infinix GT 30 Pro
  Infinix Note 60 Pro

Motorola
  Motorola Edge 60 Pro
  Motorola Edge 70
  Motorola Edge 70 Fusion
  Motorola Edge 70 Max
  Motorola Edge 70 Pro

Nothing
  Nothing Phone (4a)
  Nothing Phone (4a) Pro

OnePlus
  OnePlus 15
  OnePlus Nord 6

Oppo
  Oppo A7 Pro Max
  Oppo Find X9 Pro
  Oppo Find X9 Ultra
  Oppo Reno16
  Oppo Reno16 Pro

Samsung
  Samsung Galaxy A36
  Samsung Galaxy A37
  Samsung Galaxy A56
  Samsung Galaxy A57
  Samsung Galaxy S22 5G
  Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G
  Samsung Galaxy S23
  Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra
  Samsung Galaxy S24
  Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra
  Samsung Galaxy S25
  Samsung Galaxy S25 FE
  Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra
  Samsung Galaxy S26
  Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra
  Samsung Galaxy Z Flip8
  Samsung Galaxy Z Fold8
  Samsung Galaxy Z Fold8 Ultra

Tecno
  Tecno Camon 40 Pro
  Tecno Camon 50 Ultra

Xiaomi
  Xiaomi 17
  Xiaomi 17 Pro Max
  Xiaomi 17 Ultra
  Xiaomi 17T
  Xiaomi 17T Pro
  Xiaomi Poco F7
  Xiaomi Poco F8 Ultra
  Xiaomi Poco X7 Pro
  Xiaomi Poco X8 Pro
  Xiaomi Poco X8 Pro Max
  Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 Pro
  Xiaomi Redmi Note 14 Pro 5G
  Xiaomi Redmi Note 15 Pro
  Xiaomi Redmi Note 15 Pro+
  Xiaomi Redmi Note 17 Pro (China)

vivo
  vivo S2
  vivo V70
  vivo V70 FE
  vivo X300
  vivo X300 FE
  vivo X300 Ultra
  vivo iQOO Z11

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=3>

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#154795

On 2026-08-07, micky wrote:

> So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
> that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or 
>           B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.   
>
> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
> slot?
>
> Are there those that have all 3?

What *is* an eSIM slot? Isn't the purpose of it that it's not physical?

What happens is that there are some manufacturers offering dual phisical
slots for SIMs (*), but one of which is also a microSD slot, so you
cannot use two SIMs *and* a µSD card at the same time.

Fine if you're not buing it for both features, not fine if you are. I
was able to get three-slot 2x nano-SIM (albeit DSDS) + 1 µSD from
Motorola. In other words, that's what I personally would choose: all of
them, and not a situation where you have to choose between one or the
other.

(*) (These days, nano-SIM, which I find a bit lacking given mini-SIM
compatibility would have been a plus personally... but I guess that ship
is sailing as some countries are even planning to shut down 2G
connectivity.)


-- 
Nuno Silva

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#154830

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 08 Aug 2026 11:43:18 +0100, Nuno Silva
<nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2026-08-07, micky wrote:
>
>> So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
>> that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or 
>>           B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.   
>>
>> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>> slot?
>>
>> Are there those that have all 3?
>
>What *is* an eSIM slot? Isn't the purpose of it that it's not physical?

Good questions.  gsmarena presents it as a choice, 2nd sim or esim, and
sometimes SD or esim.   So if esim doesn't need a slot, maybe it just
wants to have an empty slot, like a vacation apartment you never
actually use.
>
>What happens is that there are some manufacturers offering dual phisical
>slots for SIMs (*), but one of which is also a microSD slot, so you
>cannot use two SIMs *and* a µSD card at the same time.

That's what I have, well, had, now. 

>Fine if you're not buing it for both features, not fine if you are. I
>was able to get three-slot 2x nano-SIM (albeit DSDS) + 1 µSD from
>Motorola. In other words, that's what I personally would choose: all of
>them, and not a situation where you have to choose between one or the
>other.

I'll look at Motorola, but you have 2x nano sim and 1 SD, and what I
want is 1 sim, 1 esim, and 1 SD.  Not the same thing. 

ASI says Sony Experia, like someone here said
and then it lists Samsung Galaxy A Series (Regional Hybrid Slots, but
when you read the next sentence, it say nothing about eSIM. That's why I
call AI as ASI. But I'll check. 

So if Samsung really doesn't have it that leaves Xperia 1 VI, Xperia 1
V, and Xperia 1 IV feature a tool-less physical tray holding 1 nano-SIM
and 1 microSD card, combined with built-in eSIM support plus maybeSony
Xperia 5 and 10 Series: Recent versions like the Xperia 5 V and Xperia
10 V

Plus I think I want Global, to be sure of having the right frequencies.
Or I could spend time checking countries, providers, and frequencies. 

There have been places in Baltimore and West Virginia where I got no
signal, even though they were not forests or deserts.  In Baltimore I
went back with a dfferent sim, but they wouldn't let me in the fancy
n'hood that time. 
     In W.Va. I talked to a guy who used a different but major provider
and he said he got no signal either, so Maybe I'm worried about nothing

>(*) (These days, nano-SIM, which I find a bit lacking given mini-SIM
>compatibility would have been a plus personally... but I guess that ship
>is sailing as some countries are even planning to shut down 2G
>connectivity.)

Yup. 

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#154838

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]

> I'll look at Motorola, but you have 2x nano sim and 1 SD, and what I
> want is 1 sim, 1 esim, and 1 SD.  Not the same thing. 

  See Andy's post about buying a *physical* 'SIM' which can function as
an eSIM (<https://www.9esim.com/en>).

  That way, the Motorola can do what you want.

  N.B. The 9esim.com site does not mention the physical size of the eSIM
card. It looks like a mini-size which can be stripped down to a nano
size, but, for some strange reason, the website does not say so.

  BTW, *why* do you want a (Micro) SD card slot? Please no vagueries,
but specifics. *How* do you use the SD card?

[...]

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#154850

In comp.mobile.android, on 9 Aug 2026 14:33:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> I'll look at Motorola, but you have 2x nano sim and 1 SD, and what I
>> want is 1 sim, 1 esim, and 1 SD.  Not the same thing. 
>
>  See Andy's post about buying a *physical* 'SIM' which can function as
>an eSIM (<https://www.9esim.com/en>).

I saw that. 
>
>  That way, the Motorola can do what you want.
>
>  N.B. The 9esim.com site does not mention the physical size of the eSIM
>card. It looks like a mini-size which can be stripped down to a nano
>size, but, for some strange reason, the website does not say so.

I will look into that.  There are verrrry few mini size drawers now, if
there ever were and no mini slots in recently made phones afaik.  (FWIW
my Huawei from 2010 had a full size slot, and putting a mini into a
frame is what kept it from coming out again, The frame had a vinyl sheet
to keep the card from falling through, but Mint had sent me, without my
asking, some frames with no sheet.  Or you coudl rip the sheet out of
frame that had one. Maybe a little harder to get in, but probably easier
to get out, at least with the Huawei  ) 

>  BTW, *why* do you want a (Micro) SD card slot? Please no vagueries,
>but specifics. *How* do you use the SD card?

I have to think about this to give you a good answer.  I intend to get
back to you on this.  

>[...]

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#154883

micky wrote:
>>  BTW, *why* do you want a (Micro) SD card slot? Please no vagueries,
>>but specifics. *How* do you use the SD card?
> 
> I have to think about this to give you a good answer.  I intend to get
> back to you on this.

Hi micky,

Don't believe anyone who claims sd slots are "obsolete".
That's absurd.

They're not obsolete.
They do things that no other method can do.

Money can't even buy some of the things that they do.
That's why more than half of the current/recent Android phones have it.

In fact... 
A bit over 60% of current/recent Android phones have the sd slot.

1857 current/recent Android phones with the sd slot hardware:
 <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>

1205 current/recent Android phones lacking the sd slot hardware:
 <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=3>

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#154854

In comp.mobile.android, on 9 Aug 2026 14:33:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> I'll look at Motorola, but you have 2x nano sim and 1 SD, and what I
>> want is 1 sim, 1 esim, and 1 SD.  Not the same thing. 
>
>  See Andy's post about buying a *physical* 'SIM' which can function as
>an eSIM (<https://www.9esim.com/en>).
>
>  That way, the Motorola can do what you want.
>
>  N.B. The 9esim.com site does not mention the physical size of the eSIM
>card. It looks like a mini-size which can be stripped down to a nano
>size, but, for some strange reason, the website does not say so.

I wrote to them and asked. Hard to believe they don't sell nano-size.
Maybe they copied their picture from some stockpile of pictures and
photoshopped their logo onto it.  Also hard to believe. 

I also asked if I could get it in less than 2 weeks by buying the one
made in the UK.  2 weeks is soon enough if it really comes in 2 weeks!

Hmmmm.  "All orders ship from China with tracking.... Estimated delivery
time is approximately 2 weeks." Maybe someone wrote that before they
started making some in the UK, same guy who photoshopped the picture.   

Still, I'd better buy it tonight or tomorrow, but I haven't even picked
out a phone yet!  LOL 
>
>  BTW, *why* do you want a (Micro) SD card slot? Please no vagueries,
>but specifics. *How* do you use the SD card?

Good question.  Originally it was because the phone came with so little
storage one needed more storage, but now it will probalby have 128Gig.
It's a shame I can't see how much storage I had used on the old phone,
but I'm pretty sure it wasn't half full. I live in the PC and only use
the phone when I'm out, doing errands.  I'm out a lot when traveling but
I take the laptop with me too and rely on it. 

I'll have to think some more to give the current reasons. 

I did do a lot of backilng up kind of stuff when I saw the battery was
failing, but I could have done some more. I was so confident that I
would fix it. Maybe I'll finally learn some humility.  Nahhh. 

>[...]

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#154861

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 09 Aug 2026 18:34:24 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on 9 Aug 2026 14:33:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg
><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>[...]
>>
>>> I'll look at Motorola, but you have 2x nano sim and 1 SD, and what I
>>> want is 1 sim, 1 esim, and 1 SD.  Not the same thing. 
>>
>>  See Andy's post about buying a *physical* 'SIM' which can function as
>>an eSIM (<https://www.9esim.com/en>).
>>
>>  That way, the Motorola can do what you want.
>>
>>  N.B. The 9esim.com site does not mention the physical size of the eSIM
>>card. It looks like a mini-size which can be stripped down to a nano
>>size, but, for some strange reason, the website does not say so.
>
>I wrote to them and asked. Hard to believe they don't sell nano-size.
>Maybe they copied their picture from some stockpile of pictures and
>photoshopped their logo onto it.  Also hard to believe. 
>
>I also asked if I could get it in less than 2 weeks by buying the one
>made in the UK.  2 weeks is soon enough if it really comes in 2 weeks!

It's 12 hours later in Peking, and they answered me at 9:45 tomorrow
morning.  They said: 

Hi
   You can buy it on Amazon, and it will be shipped from Amazon UK
warehouse.
   This is a 3-in-1 no-cut SIM card. All sizes are pre-cut; you just
need to pop out the required size manually.

So both answers are good.  Not too surprising, but they should say these
things on their webpage. 

So I searched for 9esim on Amazon, and I iddn't find them yet but I
found 
https://www.amazon.com/EIOTCLUB-eSIM-Card-Reader-Bundle/dp/B0DLNBXCCW

which seems to be the same thing and they are offering to deliver it
TODAY between 5 and 10, on orders over $25.   This bundle sells for
$24.90.   I wonder if I can overpay by 20 cents and get it today, becuse
what else do they have to put it over 25. Their store only has 4 things
and they are all sim cards. 

4 stars on 59 votes.  Some of the complaints are. 

3-star  It does work on my Samsung S10e. However, it does NOT work with
eSIM from vendor other than EIOTCLUB, like bcengi for example. I have
not tried other eSIM brands, so not sure that is the limitation or not.
  9esim sounded like it worked with everyone that met some standard 

Another 3-star review is complicated and says it's very finicky and you
have to read the whole thing to see how complicated it is. 

We're showing limited number of reviews.  If you want to see more
reviews, send a request. 
Your request to see more reviews has been sent. You'll receive an email
within 5 business days.

   Huh!

It had 10% 1-star and 3% 2-star but only showed 8 reviews out of 59
global ratings (many of which might have had no text.) 


I still haven't found the product we're looking for. They could have
included the link and I wouldn't have known about the competition. 

Searching Amazon on physical esim found more competition, but not 9esim.
And it seems I bought a phone, a Motorola wich has esim built-in.
Supposed to come on tuesday.   Requires information, a script or
something, from the cellular company. 

I have a friend with a burglar alarm and security gate business who was
bemoaning Amazon because now his customers want everything right away.
Even though he sells things Amazon does not or things plus service.  


Searched Amaxon on   Programmable esim card    and found more
competition, I think, plus blank cards, that look like his pictures. 
But they say they included nano. 
for example
https://www.amazon.com/OYEITIMES-Programmable-Telecom-Operators-Milemage/dp/B089FJ3MLQ
   PLS kindly Note: The cards prodvide professional engineers , if you
don't know about sim cards, pls don't buy it! 

Can't find 9esim.  It's not there or it's under another name. 
   

>Hmmmm.  "All orders ship from China with tracking.... Estimated delivery
>time is approximately 2 weeks." Maybe someone wrote that before they
>started making some in the UK, same guy who photoshopped the picture.   
>
>Still, I'd better buy it tonight or tomorrow, but I haven't even picked
>out a phone yet!  LOL 
>>
>>  BTW, *why* do you want a (Micro) SD card slot? Please no vagueries,
>>but specifics. *How* do you use the SD card?
>
>Good question.  Originally it was because the phone came with so little
>storage one needed more storage, but now it will probalby have 128Gig.
>It's a shame I can't see how much storage I had used on the old phone,
>but I'm pretty sure it wasn't half full. I live in the PC and only use
>the phone when I'm out, doing errands.  I'm out a lot when traveling but
>I take the laptop with me too and rely on it. 
>
>I'll have to think some more to give the current reasons. 
>
>I did do a lot of backilng up kind of stuff when I saw the battery was
>failing, but I could have done some more. I was so confident that I
>would fix it. Maybe I'll finally learn some humility.  Nahhh. 
>
>>[...]

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#154863 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

micky wrote:

> I searched for 9esim on Amazon, and I iddn't find them yet

<https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FFMJPQB6>

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#154867

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> Wrote in message:
> ...
> It's 12 hours later in Peking, and they answered me at 9:45 tomorrow
> morning.  They said: 
> 
> Hi
>    You can buy it on Amazon, and it will be shipped from Amazon UK
> warehouse.

According to their website there are 2 versions of this thing - V0
 and V3, with different internal OSes, one made in CN and one in
 UK. They might have different compatibility.

If it were me I'd buy the later one.
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#154871

Le lun. 10 août 2026 08:59:04, Dave Royal a écrit:

> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> Wrote in message:
> > ...
> > It's 12 hours later in Peking, and they answered me at 9:45 tomorrow
> > morning.  They said: 
> > 
> > Hi
> >    You can buy it on Amazon, and it will be shipped from Amazon UK
> > warehouse.  
> 
> According to their website there are 2 versions of this thing - V0
>  and V3, with different internal OSes, one made in CN and one in
>  UK. They might have different compatibility.
> 
> If it were me I'd buy the later one.

On amazon.fr, there are 3 versions :
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0DWSMSCT1
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0FFMJPQB6
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0GT8S5WMG

Looking at the comments, 9esim V3 seems the best of them.

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#154873 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Philippe wrote:

> Dave Royal a écrit:
> 
>> According to their website there are 2 versions of this thing - V0
>>   and V3, with different internal OSes, one made in CN and one in
>>   UK. They might have different compatibility.
>>
>> If it were me I'd buy the later one.
> 
> On amazon.fr, there are 3 versions :
> https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0DWSMSCT1
> https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0FFMJPQB6
> https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0GT8S5WMG
> 
> Looking at the comments, 9esim V3 seems the best of them.

I think there are three versions everywhere (v0, v0max and v3).

But which is "best" depends on whether 15, 30 or 50 stored SIM profiles 
is enough, the price difference isn't huge though ...

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#154874

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> Wrote in message:

> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> Wrote in message:
>> ...
>> It's 12 hours later in Peking, and they answered me at 9:45 tomorrow
>> morning.  They said: 
>> 
>> Hi
>>    You can buy it on Amazon, and it will be shipped from Amazon UK
>> warehouse.
> 
> According to their website there are 2 versions of this thing - V0
>  and V3, with different internal OSes, one made in CN and one in
>  UK. They might have different compatibility.
> 
> If it were me I'd buy the later one.

Investigating further, both V0 and V3 support SGP.22 and while V3
 supports the later SGP.32 that doesn't seem relevant to this use.
 So compatibility ought to be the same.
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#154868 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

micky, 2026-08-10 08:20:

[...]> So I searched for 9esim on Amazon, and I iddn't find them yet but I
> found 
> https://www.amazon.com/EIOTCLUB-eSIM-Card-Reader-Bundle/dp/B0DLNBXCCW

They have their own shop, no need to use Amazon:

<https://www.9esim.com/en/shop>


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154870 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Arno Welzel wrote:

> micky, 2026-08-10 08:20:
> 
> [...]> So I searched for 9esim on Amazon, and I iddn't find them yet but I
>> found
>> https://www.amazon.com/EIOTCLUB-eSIM-Card-Reader-Bundle/dp/B0DLNBXCCW
> 
> They have their own shop, no need to use Amazon:
> 
> <https://www.9esim.com/en/shop>
But micky said 2 week delivery from china if using their own shop, next 
day dispatch from uk if using amazon ...

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#154876 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Aug 2026 09:43:32 +0100, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> micky, 2026-08-10 08:20:
>> 
>> [...]> So I searched for 9esim on Amazon, and I iddn't find them yet but I
>>> found
>>> https://www.amazon.com/EIOTCLUB-eSIM-Card-Reader-Bundle/dp/B0DLNBXCCW
>> 
>> They have their own shop, no need to use Amazon:
>> 
>> <https://www.9esim.com/en/shop>
>But micky said 2 week delivery from china if using their own shop, next 
>day dispatch from uk if using amazon ...

Exactly, but it turns out they don't ship either model, inluding the one
made in the UK, from the UK to the US.   I wonder why not. 

they will ship to Spain, 7.5 euros arriving in 7 days
  Italy    11 euros arriving in 7 days
  Quatar , 22 euros arriving in 5 days
  Isle of Man, Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item
will be back in stock.  Huh? Of course it's in stock. I only changed
destination. 

But this info is now mostly for other readers.  Since this all started
I've bought a phone, Motorola as suggested, that has sim, esim, and SD
slot.  I'm half-convinced I don't need the SD, but I hate this part,
where there are hundreds of models and I have to pick one. 

It also has wirelss charging, but at 30% the rate of wired charging.
OTOH, what's the rush?  Now I have to get a wireless charger, which will
use somem current ALL the time the laptop is on or sleeping, or off if
you use the right jack, unlike a USB cable which uses nothing when
nothing is plugged into it. 

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