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  [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-09 09:02 +0200
    Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 10:25 +0100
      Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-10 12:22 +0200
      Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-10 16:55 +0200
        Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:01 +0100
          Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-11 12:24 +0200
            Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-09-11 13:54 +0000
              Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-11 14:04 +0000
                Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-11 16:17 +0200
          Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready MCSM <despammed@mcsm.anonaddy.me> - 2026-09-11 13:27 +0200
            Re: [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready Jeff Layman <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 12:00 +0000

#155811 — [NeReO] - 1.3.1 is ready

...for fans only :D
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nereo/files/1.3.1/

Enjoy! .:. Usenet Still Lives .:.

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#155832

On 09/09/2026 08:02, MCSM wrote:
> ...for fans only :D
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nereo/files/1.3.1/
> 
> Enjoy! .:. Usenet Still Lives .:.

NeReO 1.3.2 (build 77)
Package: org.openusenet.reader
Android 13 (API 33)
Device Xiaomi M2103K19K

I'm having a problem with authentication when I try to download groups, 
getting either error 483 or 481 depending on whether or not I check the 
SSL/TLS box.

"483 Connessione non cifrata: la password non viene inviata in chiaro. 
Usa la porta ssl/tls di solito 563 oppure - solo se sai cosa fai abilita 
"consenti autneticazione non cifrata" in Manutenzione"

"481 Autenticazione fallita"

I have been using Piao Hong 2.02 for a couple of years with Solani 
without problem. I have an account with eternal-september too, but don't 
use that with Piao Hong. Out of interest I tried it with NeReO and got 
the same authentication problem.

I used the default settings provided for Solani and eternal-september 
("Choose from a known server"), just adding my username and password.

What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Jeff

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#155834

On 10/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
.....
> NeReO 1.3.2 (build 77)
> Package: org.openusenet.reader
> Android 13 (API 33)
> Device Xiaomi M2103K19K
>
> I'm having a problem with authentication when I try to download groups, 
> getting either error 483 or 481 depending on whether or not I check the 
> SSL/TLS box.
.....
> What am I doing wrong?

Let me investigate, I'll be back with some news ASAP.

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          .:. MCSM .:.
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#155835

On 10/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
> On 09/09/2026 08:02, MCSM wrote:
>> ...for fans only :D
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nereo/files/1.3.1/
>> 
>> Enjoy! .:. Usenet Still Lives .:.
>
> NeReO 1.3.2 (build 77)
> Package: org.openusenet.reader
> Android 13 (API 33)
> Device Xiaomi M2103K19K
>
> I'm having a problem with authentication when I try to download groups, 
> getting either error 483 or 481 depending on whether or not I check the 
> SSL/TLS box.
>
> "483 Connessione non cifrata: la password non viene inviata in chiaro. Usa la 
> porta ssl/tls di solito 563 oppure - solo se sai cosa fai abilita "consenti 
> autneticazione non cifrata" in Manutenzione"
>
> "481 Autenticazione fallita"

Hi, and welcome again... ;)
By the way... error messages are really in Italian? You ha the 
possibility to switch all interface and also error messages in English!

Anyway, after a quick investigation:
You're not doing anything wrong.
The two errors are different problems.

483 *SSL/TLS box unticked*
This is not a login failure. On port 119 the connection isn't 
encrypted, so NeReO refuses to put your password on the network in the 
clear. It's a deliberate safety rule. Ticking the SSL/TLS box is 
exactly the right response.

481 (SSL/TLS box ticked)
Now the connection really is encrypted — the port switches to 563 
automatically — and your username and password do reach the server. 481 
means the server rejected them.

*So the app is working in both cases*.
What's failing is the username or password as the server sees it.
And since the same Solani account has worked in Piao Hong for years, 
the account itself is almost certainly fine.
Which points at: how the text is being typed on the phone.

Worth checking, in this order:
Username, not e-mail address — Eternal September wants the name you 
chose when you registered.
Capitalisation — Android keyboards often capitalise the first letter on 
their own. Type it, then look at it.
Trailing space — pasting from a password manager very often adds one, 
and the server counts it.
So try Retyping the password by hand once, instead of pasting it.

One thing that is on us: "Choose from a known server" fills in port 119 
with SSL off, even for servers that need an account. That's why you hit 
483 on the very first try, before anything of yours was wrong. Noted.

If it still fails, *please send the NNTP log* (Maintenance → NNTP log). 
It shows the exact exchange with the password blanked out, and it will 
tell us in one line whether your username left the phone in the shape 
you expected.

You can copy it directly here or, id You prefer, contact me by mail. My 
mail si "despammed" but it works!
see U

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          .:. MCSM .:.
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#155844

On 10/09/2026 15:55, MCSM wrote:
> On 10/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
>> On 09/09/2026 08:02, MCSM wrote:
>>> ...for fans only :D
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nereo/files/1.3.1/
>>>
>>> Enjoy! .:. Usenet Still Lives .:.
>>
>> NeReO 1.3.2 (build 77)
>> Package: org.openusenet.reader
>> Android 13 (API 33)
>> Device Xiaomi M2103K19K
>>
>> I'm having a problem with authentication when I try to download groups,
>> getting either error 483 or 481 depending on whether or not I check the
>> SSL/TLS box.
>>
>> "483 Connessione non cifrata: la password non viene inviata in chiaro. Usa la
>> porta ssl/tls di solito 563 oppure - solo se sai cosa fai abilita "consenti
>> autneticazione non cifrata" in Manutenzione"
>>
>> "481 Autenticazione fallita"
> 
> Hi, and welcome again... ;)
> By the way... error messages are really in Italian? You ha the
> possibility to switch all interface and also error messages in English!

I'd left the language as "System default".
(In fact I try to leave /everything/ as the default as that usually 
works! Once working I can change things one at a time to personal 
settings, so if something suddenly goes wrong I can see what caused it).
> Anyway, after a quick investigation:
> You're not doing anything wrong.
> The two errors are different problems.
> 
> 483 *SSL/TLS box unticked*
> This is not a login failure. On port 119 the connection isn't
> encrypted, so NeReO refuses to put your password on the network in the
> clear. It's a deliberate safety rule. Ticking the SSL/TLS box is
> exactly the right response.
> 
> 481 (SSL/TLS box ticked)
> Now the connection really is encrypted — the port switches to 563
> automatically — and your username and password do reach the server. 481
> means the server rejected them.
> 
> *So the app is working in both cases*.
> What's failing is the username or password as the server sees it.
> And since the same Solani account has worked in Piao Hong for years,
> the account itself is almost certainly fine.
> Which points at: how the text is being typed on the phone.
> 
> Worth checking, in this order:
> Username, not e-mail address — Eternal September wants the name you
> chose when you registered.
> Capitalisation — Android keyboards often capitalise the first letter on
> their own. Type it, then look at it.
> Trailing space — pasting from a password manager very often adds one,
> and the server counts it.
> So try Retyping the password by hand once, instead of pasting it.

I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By the way, 
when you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to 
reveal the password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered 
password can be seen easily.

> One thing that is on us: "Choose from a known server" fills in port 119
> with SSL off, even for servers that need an account. That's why you hit
> 483 on the very first try, before anything of yours was wrong. Noted.
> 
> If it still fails, *please send the NNTP log* (Maintenance → NNTP log).
> It shows the exact exchange with the password blanked out, and it will
> tell us in one line whether your username left the phone in the shape
> you expected.
> 
> You can copy it directly here or, id You prefer, contact me by mail. My
> mail si "despammed" but it works!
> see U

I've emailed it to you. By the way, I updated to 1.3.4 before trying 
this morning.

Thanks for your help

-- 
Jeff

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#155845

On 11/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
.....
> I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By the way, when 
> you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to reveal the 
> password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered password can be 
> seen easily.

Good idea! I keep it in my wishlist made for a future 1.4 release 
(please be patient)

.....
>> You can copy it directly here or, id You prefer, contact me by mail. My
>> mail si "despammed" but it works!
>> see U
>
> I've emailed it to you. By the way, I updated to 1.3.4 before trying this 
> morning.
.....
So the LOG is made with 1.3.4. Great!

Thank You so much for *YOUR* help!

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#155848

MCSM wrote:
> On 11/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
> .....
> > I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By the way, when 
> > you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to reveal the 
> > password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered password can be 
> > seen easily.
> 
> Good idea! I keep it in my wishlist made for a future 1.4 release 
> (please be patient)
> 

And a reveal password option in the 'Save config' dialogue to check what you enter?

(I've been re-saving my config for each version - just in case.)

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#155849

Dave Royal , torturando le sue meningi, ha scritto:
> MCSM wrote:
> > On 11/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
> > .....
> > > I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By
> > > the way, when 
> > > you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to
> > > reveal the 
> > > password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered password
> > > can be 
> > > seen easily.
> > 
> > Good idea! I keep it in my wishlist made for a future 1.4 release 
> > (please be patient)
> > 
> 
> And a reveal password option in the 'Save config' dialogue to check
> what you enter?
> 
> (I've been re-saving my config for each version - just in case.)
> 
Yes! Already made in 1.3.5 (in testing phase, as you can see. Not public
at the moment)

-- 
.:. MCSM .:.
posting with NeReO 1.3.5

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#155850

On 11/09/2026 , *MCSM* wrote:
.....
> Yes! Already made in 1.3.5 (in testing phase, as you can see. Not public
> at the moment)

https://prnt.sc/aQ9nW_TOBG3P

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#155846

On 11/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
.....
> I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By the way, when 
> you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to reveal the 
> password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered password can be 
> seen easily.
.....
Your Good idea it's going in. One caveat worth knowing: a trailing 
space stays invisible even with the password revealed, and that's a 
likely culprit here. So alongside the reveal button I'm adding a live 
character count under the field — if you know your password is 11 
characters and it says 12, you've found it in one second. Note the 
field stays empty when you edit an existing server (the stored password 
is encrypted); the reveal shows what you are typing now, not what was 
saved earlier.

You will find it in next 1.3.5 relelase...

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#155847

MCSM wrote:
> On 11/09/2026 , *Jeff Layman* wrote:
> .....
> > I'd noticed the trailing space and was careful to delete it! By the
> > way, when 
> > you update NeReO again, it might be helpful to put an option to
> > reveal the 
> > password in the Password field so any incorrectly entered password
> > can be 
> > seen easily.
> .....
> Your Good idea it's going in. One caveat worth knowing: a trailing 
> space stays invisible even with the password revealed, and that's a 
> likely culprit here. So alongside the reveal button I'm adding a live 
> character count under the field — if you know your password is 11 
> characters and it says 12, you've found it in one second. Note the 
> field stays empty when you edit an existing server (the stored
> password 
> is encrypted); the reveal shows what you are typing now, not what was 
> saved earlier.
> 
> You will find it in next 1.3.5 relelase...
> 
The "invisible" space was the answer. Well spotted! It wasn't helped by
me using the keyboard cache to enter the password every time I tried, as
it was much easier to do that than retype it. But, of course, that
cached password has the invisible space too! Your idea of the character
count is very good.

As you can see, NeReO 1.3.4 is working now.

Thanks for all your excellent help.

--
Jeff

-- 
Jeff

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