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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200 |
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How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-31 09:20 -0600
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 00:51 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 20:37 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 01:01 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 09:44 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0200
Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:21 +0100
Re: Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 16:30 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:15 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:32 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:25 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:26 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:53 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:37 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:23 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:31 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:40 +0530
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:24 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:39 +0845
[OT/Meta] Trolling (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:37 +0100
Re: [OT/Meta] Trolling Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:43 +0930
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:28 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:31 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:18 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:28 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:41 +0530
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:35 +0845
Re: [OT] "trolling" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 20:07 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:27 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:24 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:56 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:18 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 05:58 +0845
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:36 +0845
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-01 18:59 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:18 +0200
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:18 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:28 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:25 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:39 +0530
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:05 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:13 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 20:52 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:27 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:50 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:11 +0200
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:50 +0100
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:30 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:34 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 06:00 +0845
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:13 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 13:12 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-08 21:04 +0300
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 19:32 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:21 +0300
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:31 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:37 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:55 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:44 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:39 +0100
Re: Signal micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:44 +0300
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 10:17 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:59 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:34 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 20:07 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0300
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:49 +0200
Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-09 09:55 -0700
Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 10:16 +0100
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 09:30 -0700
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-10 17:49 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 21:33 -0700
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 06:54 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 01:24 -0600
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 11:09 -0700
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 18:23 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:56 -0600
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 19:37 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 -0600
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 12:48 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 21:59 -0230
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 19:12 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 01:31 -0100
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:00 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 08:32 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 17:31 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 18:00 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:33 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 12:30 +0000
Re: Contacts Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-09-17 15:12 +0200
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 16:12 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 18:48 +0200
Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:04 +0200
Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:00 +0200
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 +0300
Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-12 21:58 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:16 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:06 +0300
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:15 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 20:40 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 11:22 +0545
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 06:05 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 06:54 -1000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-15 00:50 +0000
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-13 19:02 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-14 21:56 -0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-20 00:15 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-23 21:02 +0300
Application identification on Motorola Android (was: Re: Contacts) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:11 +0100
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:12 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:26 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:40 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:35 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:03 +0100
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <user17785@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 01:00 +0000
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:47 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:49 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:38 +0930
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:26 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:29 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:33 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:35 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:36 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:24 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:30 +0200
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:29 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:04 +0930
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 18:46 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 04:22 +0930
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:20 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 17:03 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:56 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:04 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-04 21:15 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-05 14:14 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-05 18:03 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-01 14:37 +0000
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 09:07 +0300
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 21:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <0iljmmx7hp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155481 |
On 2026-09-01 20:52, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Which we have told you a million times that it is false. It is also >> false that it is a fact, it is only your opinion. > > Hi Carlos, > > Only a fool disputes facts. That's why they're fools after all. > Don't be a fool. You are completely ignorant of what really happens. There you go. If someone contradicts you, we are fools. Not reading any further. You lost the argument. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 21:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1177aan$1dmc$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155484 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Only a fool disputes facts. That's why they're fools after all. >> Don't be a fool. You are completely ignorant of what really happens. > > There you go. If someone contradicts you, we are fools. > > Not reading any further. You lost the argument. Carlos, Stop trolling this newsgroup. Just stop it. It's not going to work with me. I'm intelligent. I'm educated. I don't hold to your religious beliefs. You're none of that. Your entire belief system is religious. Devoid of even a single fact. First I stated facts. Then you claim, religiously, that all facts are wrong. Then I provide more facts, including court cases. Then you claim you "already debunked" all facts you simply don't like. Then in response to the facts and court cases, you say: "Not reading any further" WTF? Stop being a fool. Or a troll. You are welcome to your religious belief system, but don't come here stating that all facts you simply don't like or can't understand are false. Just stop trolling us. Accept that the contacts architecture in Android is inherently not private. If you can't accept those facts, at least provide a fact that "debunks" it. -- People who claim contacts are private don't understand how contacts work.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <sb6lmmxsvj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155487 |
On 2026-09-01 21:50, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Only a fool disputes facts. That's why they're fools after all. >>> Don't be a fool. You are completely ignorant of what really happens. >> >> There you go. If someone contradicts you, we are fools. >> >> Not reading any further. You lost the argument. > > Carlos, > > Stop trolling this newsgroup. > Just stop it. There you go. If someone contradicts you, we are trolls. Not reading any further. You lost the argument. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 17:11 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179ea8$7ns$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155497 |
Nuno Silva wrote: > At this point I feel that > > 1) More detail or context would be necessary to explain why Carlos has > responded like that (seemed to be about past conversations), and > > 2) More detail would also be needed to understand why are you already > designating this "trolling". > > Please see this less of a request for comment and more as an assessment > of somebody who is puzzled by how the conversation came to this so > quickly. It *is* true I've not been subscribing to this group for long, > though... ideally I'd just go with the > > "read [...] for one to two months before you post anything" > > prescribed in RFC 1855, extended to a longer period, but this seems to > involve two people who are otherwise regular posters in productive > threads here and one of them in other groups I've been in for longer. Hi Nuno, Carlos is trolling. The facts prove it. It's really simple, and we've dealt with it on the Apple newsgroups forever since they own purely religious belief systems, which can't be defended. Notice two very important facts about the conversation with Carlos: 1. I provided facts (court cases, cites, Android technical documents) 2. Carlos provided nothing (not a single fact, not a single cite, nothing) Yet, Carlos clearly denied every single fact that I had provided. He didn't give me a chance to discuss his counter argument, as he had none. Carlos simply claimed every known fact presented about contacts, is wrong. I won't let that religious belief system stand in this technical newsgroup. There's the entire issue, in a nutshell. -- Of a million things people should know about privacy, most know 3.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 18:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179nm0$30urg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155505 |
On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote: [...] What you're using is sending the same post several times? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 20:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <aj6mmmxak4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155513 |
On 2026-09-02 19:50, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote: > [...] > > What you're using is sending the same post several times? > That's another of his traits. Like we write something, and he doesn't answer and posts instead again another of his scripts. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:34 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179to4$7mp$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155516 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > Like we write something Stop trolling this newsgroup, Carlos. Stop it.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <labmmmx00l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155529 |
On 2026-09-02 21:34, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Like we write something > > Stop trolling this newsgroup, Carlos. > Stop it. Stop trolling, Arlen. You started. You do not accept criticism, and you insult us then calling us trolls or fools. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117a18f$fpg$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155535 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > You started. What I "started" was I posted court cases and Android documents. Andy posted cites to similar Android documents. Instead of your constant trolling, why not provide even a single fact that backs up your denials of the docs that both Andy & I kindly posted.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <mcfmmmxs12.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155548 |
On 2026-09-02 22:34, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> You started. > > What I "started" was I posted court cases and Android documents. > Andy posted cites to similar Android documents. > > Instead of your constant trolling, why not provide even a single fact that > backs up your denials of the docs that both Andy & I kindly posted. The issue is clear for everyone to see. I will not answer to you in this thread anymore. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-03 06:00 +0845 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117a3l1$mv8$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155558 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > I will not answer to you You do not have to answer to me as both Andy and I provided the same facts. You claim those facts that Andy and I provided are wrong. OK. Fine. When I ask you to back up why you claim Andy & I are wrong, what do you do?
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-03 09:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <nfsq5rF2b46U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155516 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > That's another of his traits. Like we write something, and he doesn't > answer and posts instead again another of his scripts. I'm loathe to join in, because pointing out faults rarely improves behaviour, but I find that when any single person in a group approaches half of the posts, I tend to tune-out for a while, whether it's Arlen or Chang Man-Wei ...
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-04 03:13 +0930 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117cbk5$187q$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155583 |
Andy Burns wrote: >> That's another of his traits. Like we write something, and he doesn't >> answer and posts instead again another of his scripts. > > I'm loathe to join in, because pointing out faults rarely improves > behaviour, but I find that when any single person in a group approaches > half of the posts, I tend to tune-out for a while, whether it's Arlen or > Chang Man-Wei ... The problem here, is the age-old problem that if I engage with the trolls (and, let's be clear, a troll has to troll and Carlos is clearly trolling), then I get lumped in with those trolls, simply for engaging with them. Take the case of Nuno, who is relatively new. a. He believed every single thing Carlos trolled. b. Everything. Worse, Nuno asked of me "why did you repeat" and yet, Nuno didn't even think of asking of Carlos "why did you repeat", when my repetition was literally case-by-case, a resposne to Carlos' repeated trolling. WTF? What kind of strangely illogical person does that? The answer is, sadly, everyone. In this case, Nuno believed every word from Carlos. Without questioning a single setatement. Not one. WTF? Carlos denied all facts that both you and I gave proof of. Without a single fact in rebuttal. And Nuno believed it? WTF? Who does that? The answer, is, everyone. Nuno doesn't know whom to believe at this point. It doesn't occur to Nuno that Carlos denied everything we both said. Without supplying a single fact. Nuno believed Carlos. WTF? I'm amazed. a. It doesn't occur to Nuno that you and I posted cites & references. b. Nuno literally recently said he thinks they're all dead wrong too. WTF? Nuno took the side of the trolls. a. Hook b. Line c. And sinker. Who does that? The fact is Nuno believed every one of Carlos' trolls. And none of the references and cites you and I kindly provided. What does that tell us about people. The answer is what you said. The trolls confused Nuno to the degree that he agreed only with trolls. He disagreed with you, and me. WTF? It makes helping people on this newsgroup less satisfying. So, until Nuno answers my questions, I'm not responding ever again to him.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-04 13:12 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) |
| Message-ID | <117ecj8$iikm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155598 |
(I'll try to amass most of the replies in a single post. Also, given the confusion that has arisen over agreements and believing stuff, I'm changing the subject to «[OT] "trolling"» because that's what I used in part of the related discussion in this thread. It's not meant to be an assessment of the posts I'm responding to...) On 2026-09-03, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> My apologies for causing noise > > Hi Nuno, > > Please do not ever respond in this newsgroup ever again and expect me to > help you out, if you continue to disregard my polite request of you prior. > I've tried reading all the responses in case you only read the response explaining my question after this. It seems you didn't, or you chose to interpret it in a much less charitable way. You keep assuming I'm agreeing with Carlos or believing everything they say. You keep assuming I was chastising you, when I've already explained the two reasons why I pointed to you posts seemed to be getting repeated (very short answer is I didn't realize these were intentionally different posts with similar content, but I really refer and defer to that response of mine [1]). [1] <117bjcj$3j6ut$5@dont-email.me> On 2026-09-03, Maria Sophia wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: >>> That's another of his traits. Like we write something, and he doesn't >>> answer and posts instead again another of his scripts. >> >> I'm loathe to join in, because pointing out faults rarely improves >> behaviour, but I find that when any single person in a group approaches >> half of the posts, I tend to tune-out for a while, whether it's Arlen or >> Chang Man-Wei ... > > The problem here, is the age-old problem that if I engage with the trolls > (and, let's be clear, a troll has to troll and Carlos is clearly trolling), > then I get lumped in with those trolls, simply for engaging with them. I'd argue not really, for what Andy was mentioning, the group gets a lot of posts from you which are *not* in this trolling accusation cycle and which tend to be more productive or have actual content of some value. Now I don't mean to know what Andy meant, but I think he was merely alluding at that volume of posts. > Take the case of Nuno, who is relatively new. > a. He believed every single thing Carlos trolled. > b. Everything. Why are you assuming I'm "believing" that? If I choose not no viciously contest every of these posts, that does *not* mean I'm believing it or that I'm agreeing with it. Nor does this comment imply the opposite. > Worse, Nuno asked of me "why did you repeat" and yet, Nuno didn't even > think of asking of Carlos "why did you repeat", when my repetition was > literally case-by-case, a resposne to Carlos' repeated trolling. > > WTF? > What kind of strangely illogical person does that? I have already explained that situation in [1]. It was a misunderstanding, I'm willing to apologize (and did already) for that misunderstanding, but I'm not going to apologize for something that was not my intent. I was not singling you out, I was not chastising you, I was *not even asking why did you repeat*. You keep insistently demanding an explanation for why did I ask only you why did you repeat, but that's something I did *not* do [2]. [2] <1179nm0$30urg$1@dont-email.me> As I already stated in [1], I merely thought your workflow (script?) could be having a hiccup, and I thought I'd report it. > The answer is, sadly, everyone. > > In this case, Nuno believed every word from Carlos. > Without questioning a single setatement. Not questioning does not imply believing. > Not one. > WTF? > > Carlos denied all facts that both you and I gave proof of. > Without a single fact in rebuttal. > > And Nuno believed it? > WTF? > > Who does that? > The answer, is, everyone. > > Nuno doesn't know whom to believe at this point. > > It doesn't occur to Nuno that Carlos denied everything we both said. > Without supplying a single fact. > > Nuno believed Carlos. > WTF? > > I'm amazed. > a. It doesn't occur to Nuno that you and I posted cites & references. > b. Nuno literally recently said he thinks they're all dead wrong too. > > WTF? > > Nuno took the side of the trolls. > a. Hook > b. Line > c. And sinker. > > Who does that? > > The fact is Nuno believed every one of Carlos' trolls. > And none of the references and cites you and I kindly provided. > > What does that tell us about people. > The answer is what you said. > > The trolls confused Nuno to the degree that he agreed only with trolls. > He disagreed with you, and me. > > WTF? > It makes helping people on this newsgroup less satisfying. > > So, until Nuno answers my questions, I'm not responding ever again to > him. I've been trying not to rush to any assessment, and what I wanted was some context to explain the trolling accusation cycle; on top of that I tried to report what I thought was an issue in your script. Rest assured that your reactions and responses so far, namely your apparent disregard of what I wrote in [1], which can be taken to mean you're not willing to accept a response unless it says word by word what you want me to say, are not painting you in a flattering light. On 2026-09-03, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> I should add a few exceptions/additions, like 0x20, 0x2C, 0x2E > > I don't know what you're talking about, Upper-case words, plus space and punctuation. > but I do want to ask you, politely, > why you "challenged" me for responding repeatedly to Carlos' trolls, and > yet, you never once questioned Carlos on why he repeated his trolls. > > Why? > > Why did you ignore that I was responding to Carlos' denials of fact, when > it was Carlos who was copying and pasting his own posts many times over. > > Why Nuno? > > This is not logical, Nuno. > It's biased. > > Why do you not ask of Carlos the exact same question you asked of me? Because AFAIK Carlos isn't using a script or chain of utilites to post, but a self-contained MUA/NUA, and at the time I only noticed the pattern in your posts. Had I seen the bigger picture, I'd not have asked any question at all, because then there'd be no question to ask. The question, again, wasn't why are you posting multiple times, the question - only a question because I didn't want to assume that was the problem so added a question mark - was if your posting script/workflow was faltering somehow. On 2026-09-03, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> You could have just clarified you did that in response to Carlos also >> repeating responses... > > Hi Nuno, > > Given you asked me why I repeated my response, but you didn't even think to > ask Carlos, there's a problem there in how you applied logical deduction. > > Why didn't you ask Carlos? > > NB: That's bias number 1 on your part. > > Worse... > > Why did you claim all facts by Andy and me "can" be wrong, when you didn't > even think to ask Carlos to supply even a single fact that disputes ours? > > Why didn't you ask Carlos to supply even a single facts, Nuno? Because that's not what I was posting about. [...] > That's three clear cases of bias on your part where you take the side of > the trolls, and yet, you claim of the people contributing value that the > court cases, documentation, and references all 'can' be wrong. > > WTF? > > Your bias is so astoundingly in favor of the trolls that it's disgusting. > > Seriously. > Since you believe only what the trolls are telling you, and yet, you must > realize that they haven't proved a single thing, what does that make you? > > I'm very serious. > I will never respond to you if you can't answer to those adult issues. > > Or at least accept that they are facts, and simply apologize for doing them > as Usenet is, to me, water under the bridge. > > Point being I'll still respond to Carlos, even though he's trolling us. > But that's because I'm a kind-hearted good person who says it like it > is. Never once did I say I fully disagreed or rejected your assessment of the contacts issue. You know what's funny? Your position re: contacts was worded in a way that sounds extreme and/or unusual, but if I've intepreted it correctly, I actually agree with you in that there's a possible problem there, even though I'd definitely not word it like you did. Yet you're also assuming I'm rejecting your statement on that. So I've said above what am I apologizing for, for the rest, the ball is on your side. Please read [1] again. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-08 21:04 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) |
| Message-ID | <4gj0allm21ioii8qr54bnv3h5elnhmmddt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #155617 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 04 Sep 2026 13:12:24 +0100, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >Because AFAIK Carlos isn't using a script or chain of utilites to post, >but a self-contained MUA/NUA, and at the time I only noticed the pattern >in your posts. Had I seen the bigger picture, I'd not have asked any >question at all, because then there'd be no question to ask. The >question, again, wasn't why are you posting multiple times, the question >- only a question because I didn't want to assume that was the problem >so added a question mark - was if your posting script/workflow was >faltering somehow. Just got here. What's a MUA/NUA?
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| From | Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-08 19:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) |
| Message-ID | <slrn11a0om6.374.jj@iridium.wf32df> |
| In reply to | #155788 |
On 2026-09-08, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 04 Sep 2026 13:12:24 +0100, Nuno Silva ><nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> >>Because AFAIK Carlos isn't using a script or chain of utilites to post, >>but a self-contained MUA/NUA, and at the time I only noticed the pattern >>in your posts. Had I seen the bigger picture, I'd not have asked any >>question at all, because then there'd be no question to ask. The >>question, again, wasn't why are you posting multiple times, the question >>- only a question because I didn't want to assume that was the problem >>so added a question mark - was if your posting script/workflow was >>faltering somehow. > > Just got here. What's a MUA/NUA? Mail User Agenet News User Agent i.e. the program you use to read and write mail/news.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-09 08:21 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) |
| Message-ID | <q5r1altjulhrcnohs58ktqpf3v3if5ial6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #155798 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 8 Sep 2026 19:32:22 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote: >On 2026-09-08, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 04 Sep 2026 13:12:24 +0100, Nuno Silva >><nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> >>>Because AFAIK Carlos isn't using a script or chain of utilites to post, >>>but a self-contained MUA/NUA, and at the time I only noticed the pattern >>>in your posts. Had I seen the bigger picture, I'd not have asked any >>>question at all, because then there'd be no question to ask. The >>>question, again, wasn't why are you posting multiple times, the question >>>- only a question because I didn't want to assume that was the problem >>>so added a question mark - was if your posting script/workflow was >>>faltering somehow. >> >> Just got here. What's a MUA/NUA? > >Mail User Agenet >News User Agent > >i.e. the program you use to read and write mail/news. Learned new abbreviations. Learn something new every day .!!!!
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179tj5$4df$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155513 |
Nuno Silva wrote: > What you're using is sending the same post several times? Hi Nuno, Since my response was in response to Carlos' posts, please explain why you didn't chastise Carlos for doing what you accuse me of doing. Look at the thread. a. Who provided the facts b. Who denied them repeatedly, without providing any facts c. And then who repeated himself, over and over and over again Who? Nuno. Answer that question please. Please do not post further until you answer that question. Thanks!
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <oabmmmx00l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155527 |
On 2026-09-02 21:31, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> What you're using is sending the same post several times? > > Hi Nuno, > > Since my response was in response to Carlos' posts, please explain why you > didn't chastise Carlos for doing what you accuse me of doing. > Heh hehe. Here he goes. > Look at the thread. > a. Who provided the facts They are not facts, they are opinions. You say that just using the Google Contact apps to keep our contact info is rude and breaks people's privacy. This is simply false and we argued this in the past. The consensus was that you are wrong. > b. Who denied them repeatedly, without providing any facts > c. And then who repeated himself, over and over and over again > > Who? Nuno. > Answer that question please. > > Please do not post further until you answer that question. > Thanks! Heh heh. Now he brings You, Nuno, into the fry. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117a0qv$k0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155534 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > They are not facts, they are opinions I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions. You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts. Your only intent, clearly, is to endlessly troll this newsgroup, Carlos. Stop it.
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