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| Started by | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-03-03 12:27 +0000 |
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"'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-03 12:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 10:47 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> - 2025-03-03 17:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-03 17:33 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> - 2025-03-03 18:20 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-03 15:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 17:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 17:38 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 14:04 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 19:28 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:36 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:35 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 17:35 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:49 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 08:07 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 22:58 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:50 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 21:23 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-04 06:43 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-04 09:22 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 16:40 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-04 10:21 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 18:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 14:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 21:38 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 17:31 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 08:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-04 08:09 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 16:22 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 21:09 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-04 19:43 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 05:34 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:22 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 16:15 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 09:44 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:15 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:47 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 14:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 10:42 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 16:51 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 17:21 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 12:37 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-05 18:03 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 16:00 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 22:07 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 15:42 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:28 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 16:01 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 21:03 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:40 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:02 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:04 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:12 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:29 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 17:38 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 17:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:44 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:45 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:57 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-05 14:10 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 16:26 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:33 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:08 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 19:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 19:43 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:40 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 21:26 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:38 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 20:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 07:19 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:31 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-03-06 01:56 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-06 13:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-03-06 14:57 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-06 11:09 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-06 11:17 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:12 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-07 09:35 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 18:24 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:36 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:17 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 16:16 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 10:30 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-03-06 16:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 07:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:46 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-07 13:24 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:38 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-07 15:35 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-07 15:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-14 18:49 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-15 09:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-15 11:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 08:35 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-15 17:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-15 19:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 23:30 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-16 05:01 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-16 08:47 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 13:47 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-16 15:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 16:04 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-16 18:00 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-17 08:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-17 13:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-17 14:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:44 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 10:42 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:48 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 13:18 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-20 13:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 14:28 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-20 16:02 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-20 13:00 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-16 11:54 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 16:09 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-16 19:23 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-16 23:10 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 08:48 -0400
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| From | Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 17:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqa163$2gnn5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146990 |
On 05/03/2025 15:42, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 9:27 AM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: >> On 05/03/2025 13:47, Newyana2 wrote: >>> But it's changing very quickly. Apple invented >>> computer cellphones in 2008. >> >> >> Could somebody clarify the exact meaning of "But it's changing very >> quickly. Apple invented computer cellphones in 2008" ? > > Why did you snip the rest of my description of rapid change? > Today most people -- as evidenced in this group -- are living > their lives from a kind of personal control booth, which is their > cellphone. Computer phones have only existed for about 17 years. > For much of that time they were limited in both their functionality > and their ubiquity. Apps were what made them especially useful, > not phone calls. > > So, how long have cellphones been assumed as the common > exchange of social and business interaction? In my experience it's > only been maybe 5 years since people started asking to text me, > and getting annoyed when I told them I don't text. 2FA is newer > still. We've now reached a point where most people assume that > all other people can be reached anytime by text and are conducting > their lives via DoorDash, Uber, texting, Venmo, and so on. The > youngest adults have grown up with virtually no experience > of solitude, constantly engaged in a social circle. > > That's what I mean by changing very quickly. As a babyboomer > who uses a cellphone mainly as a portable phonebooth, the lifestyle > of GenZ is almost unrecognizable to me. Yet it wasn't even possible > a few years ago. > > Uber, DoorDash, Venmo.... Those are all fairly new. The landscape > of social and business interaction is changing quickly. Without using > a cellphone, I can't use any of those services. It's a kind of parallel > world that's gradually becoming the only option. That's what we've > been talking about. Carlos is saying that already it's nearly impossible > for him to conduct his basic life without a computer cellphone. For me > in the US it's not quite so extreme. Aside from a few cellphone addicts > who want to text me, I have no use for Venmo or Uber. I know > how to read maps... So there's not much that I'm actually missing in > practice by not living via cellphone. But most young people now > would be lost. They'd likely have a mental breakdown simply at being > disconnected from their social hive, like Star Trek's Borg. > I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple invented computer cellphones in 2008"
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 12:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vqa23v$2gvbt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146996 |
On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: > > > I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever > that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple > invented computer cellphones in 2008" > Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007. Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on, as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken. In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking, shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent. (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.)
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2rhv9FsvmfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146998 |
Newyana2 wrote: > Abandoned Trolley wrote: > >> I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever >> that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple >> invented computer cellphones in 2008" > > Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007. > Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm > not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make > phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on, > as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken. calling them "computer cellphones" just sounds odd. Before smartphones, there were e.g. the Nokia 9000 series "communicators" which had email and web-browsing in mid '90s. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator>
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 16:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vqadv7$2j6ce$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146999 |
On 3/5/2025 1:03 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
> calling them "computer cellphones" just sounds odd.
>
Not as silly as "smartphone". :)
It's basically a computer that can make phone calls.
Mainly they're used for apps and online operations. Mine
has Firefox installed.
> Before smartphones, there were e.g. the Nokia 9000 series
> "communicators" which had email and web-browsing in mid '90s.
>
I'm sure there were all sorts of niche items. But that's not
the context here. The point was that only in recent years
have most people been using texting and apps on computer
phones, to such an extent that everyone is assumed to
have one handy at all times. That's what we've been talking
about -- how hard it is to not use a cellphone. Some Brits and
Spanish people are claiming they can't live at all in the modern
worls without a cellphone. I don't believe that's true, but I
do know that more and more things require a cellphone.
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 22:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vqaee8$2iq9q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147007 |
On 05/03/2025 22:00, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 1:03 PM, Andy Burns wrote: >> Newyana2 wrote: > >> calling them "computer cellphones" just sounds odd. >> > > Not as silly as "smartphone". :) > It's basically a computer that can make phone calls. > Mainly they're used for apps and online operations. Mine > has Firefox installed. > >> Before smartphones, there were e.g. the Nokia 9000 series >> "communicators" which had email and web-browsing in mid '90s. >> > > I'm sure there were all sorts of niche items. But that's not > the context here. The point was that only in recent years > have most people been using texting and apps on computer > phones, to such an extent that everyone is assumed to > have one handy at all times. That's what we've been talking > about -- how hard it is to not use a cellphone. Some Brits and > Spanish people are claiming they can't live at all in the modern > worls without a cellphone. I don't believe that's true, but I > do know that more and more things require a cellphone. yes you can live without a Cellphone, but you can also live without electricity, mains water, a car etc. etc. etc. Is it an enjoyable, rewarding experience, probably not. Will it cost me financially, probably. Is it sensible? About as sensible as avoiding blood transfusions and modern medicines. Dave
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 15:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqcja2.u0g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147007 |
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote: > On 3/5/2025 1:03 PM, Andy Burns wrote: > > Newyana2 wrote: > > > calling them "computer cellphones" just sounds odd. > > Not as silly as "smartphone". :) Doesn't matter. It's the common, accepted, <whatever> name. Using some *other* made up name (like "computer cellphones") is silly. (BTW, most non-US countries say 'mobile phone' instead of 'cellphone'. The 'cell' aspect is mostly irrelevant and often hardly applies.) Analogy: I have a laptop, which hardly ever if ever, is on my lap. 'Notebook' isn't really ay better. So everybody says 'laptop', end of story. > It's basically a computer that can make phone calls. And many, many things which a normal computer can't do, so while it obviously is a computer - many non-computer things are - it's only confusing to call it a computer. > Mainly they're used for apps and online operations. Mine > has Firefox installed. > > > Before smartphones, there were e.g. the Nokia 9000 series > > "communicators" which had email and web-browsing in mid '90s. > > I'm sure there were all sorts of niche items. But that's not > the context here. The point was that only in recent years > have most people been using texting and apps on computer > phones, to such an extent that everyone is assumed to > have one handy at all times. That's what we've been talking > about -- how hard it is to not use a cellphone. Some Brits and > Spanish people are claiming they can't live at all in the modern > worls without a cellphone. I don't believe that's true, but I > do know that more and more things require a cellphone. I don't think "Some Brits and Spanish people" have claimed that, but yes, many say that smartphones have a lot of useful functionality, which is often not available in other devices / by other means. So that's why they buy them and use them. See Carlos' resonse where he describes that at first he was 'against' smartphones and smartwatches and now he has his (at least) second generation of both. My story is about the same and so is my wife's. All this brings me to your frequent [1] 'smartphone-addicts' rants: Could you please explain how it's OK for you to use your computer 'all the time', but in some mysterious way, it's not OK for others to use their smartphone 'all the time'? I use my car 'all the time'. I use my watch 'all the time'. I watch TV 'all the time'. I read the newspaper 'all the time'. I hope that's allright with you. [1] Not so much the one I'm responding to, but also that has a bit of it. To be fair, I seem to notice a slight change to the positive.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 19:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <t36p9lx24e.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147030 |
On 2025-03-06 16:42, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote: >> On 3/5/2025 1:03 PM, Andy Burns wrote: >>> Newyana2 wrote: >> >>> calling them "computer cellphones" just sounds odd. >> >> Not as silly as "smartphone". :) > > Doesn't matter. It's the common, accepted, <whatever> name. Using some > *other* made up name (like "computer cellphones") is silly. (BTW, most > non-US countries say 'mobile phone' instead of 'cellphone'. The 'cell' > aspect is mostly irrelevant and often hardly applies.) > > Analogy: I have a laptop, which hardly ever if ever, is on my lap. > 'Notebook' isn't really ay better. So everybody says 'laptop', end of > story. "portable", at least in one of those places where we say 'mobile phone' ;-) >> It's basically a computer that can make phone calls. > > And many, many things which a normal computer can't do, so while it > obviously is a computer - many non-computer things are - it's only > confusing to call it a computer. It is a hand held computer that can make calls, is connected to internet, is aware of its location, orientation and movements. It can also take photos. And it runs applications that use any of that, even in the middle of nowhere. :-) And we call it "smartphone". For example, a computer that knows the location and the current movement can give you instructions in the middle of a forest. You can take a photo of a plant and it identifies it. There is a large amount of new applications that make sense inside a smartphone, but not in a computer. > >> Mainly they're used for apps and online operations. Mine >> has Firefox installed. >> >>> Before smartphones, there were e.g. the Nokia 9000 series >>> "communicators" which had email and web-browsing in mid '90s. >> >> I'm sure there were all sorts of niche items. But that's not >> the context here. The point was that only in recent years >> have most people been using texting and apps on computer >> phones, to such an extent that everyone is assumed to >> have one handy at all times. That's what we've been talking >> about -- how hard it is to not use a cellphone. Some Brits and >> Spanish people are claiming they can't live at all in the modern >> worls without a cellphone. I don't believe that's true, but I >> do know that more and more things require a cellphone. > > I don't think "Some Brits and Spanish people" have claimed that, but > yes, many say that smartphones have a lot of useful functionality, which > is often not available in other devices / by other means. So that's why > they buy them and use them. Yep. > > See Carlos' resonse where he describes that at first he was 'against' > smartphones and smartwatches and now he has his (at least) second > generation of both. :-) I think I have developed the strategy of initially buying a cheap version of these gadgets, explore their usage to me, then perhaps buy a better one, with more knowledge of what I want and need. > My story is about the same and so is my wife's. > > All this brings me to your frequent [1] 'smartphone-addicts' rants: > > Could you please explain how it's OK for you to use your computer 'all > the time', but in some mysterious way, it's not OK for others to use > their smartphone 'all the time'? > > I use my car 'all the time'. I use my watch 'all the time'. I watch TV > 'all the time'. I read the newspaper 'all the time'. I hope that's > allright with you. :-) > [1] Not so much the one I'm responding to, but also that has a bit of > it. To be fair, I seem to notice a slight change to the positive. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqa4qu$2hgb0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146998 |
On 05/03/2025 17:37, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: >> >> >> I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever >> that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple >> invented computer cellphones in 2008" >> > > Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007. > Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm > not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make > phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on, > as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken. > > In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless > phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking, > shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent. > (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone > came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.) > That assumes that the only definition of a computer cellphone is your definition. I believe that web browsing and email applications were available on some handsets using GPRS / WAP - before wifi standards were established (and before CSS got sorted out) Lots of old Nokia handsets had gaming applications and other utilities like alarm clock / calendar /calculator etc "texting, etc" is NOT fairly recent - I think it came in with release 2 of GSM in the early 90s. NTT DoCoMo introduced iMode in Japan some time in the late 90s - which provided a browsing service and some multi user games, along with text chatting and possibly some sort of press to talk facility. i-Mode users also have access to other various services such as: sports results, weather forecasts, games, financial services, and ticket booking. The Blackberry Messenger platform provided a global text service based on the PIN of the individual handset - regardless of location or network operator Basically, the Apple / Android "axis of evil" may not be the only gig in town - and I dont think it was the first
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 16:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vqae15$2j6ce$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147000 |
On 3/5/2025 1:23 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> On 05/03/2025 17:37, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change
>>> (whatever that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim
>>> that "Apple invented computer cellphones in 2008"
>>>
>>
>> Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007.
>> Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm
>> not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make
>> phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on,
>> as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken.
>>
>> In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless
>> phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking,
>> shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent.
>> (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone
>> came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.)
>>
>
> That assumes that the only definition of a computer cellphone is your
> definition.
>
> I believe that web browsing and email applications were available on
> some handsets using GPRS / WAP - before wifi standards were established
> (and before CSS got sorted out)
>
> Lots of old Nokia handsets had gaming applications and other utilities
> like alarm clock / calendar /calculator etc
>
> "texting, etc" is NOT fairly recent - I think it came in with release 2
> of GSM in the early 90s.
>
> NTT DoCoMo introduced iMode in Japan some time in the late 90s - which
> provided a browsing service and some multi user games, along with text
> chatting and possibly some sort of press to talk facility.
>
> i-Mode users also have access to other various services such as: sports
> results, weather forecasts, games, financial services, and ticket booking.
>
> The Blackberry Messenger platform provided a global text service based
> on the PIN of the individual handset - regardless of location or network
> operator
>
> Basically, the Apple / Android "axis of evil" may not be the only gig in
> town - and I dont think it was the first
>
You're missing the whole point. Read the thread.
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| From | Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 21:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqae7u$2j26v$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147008 |
On 05/03/2025 21:01, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 1:23 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: >> On 05/03/2025 17:37, Newyana2 wrote: >>> On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change >>>> (whatever that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim >>>> that "Apple invented computer cellphones in 2008" >>>> >>> >>> Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007. >>> Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm >>> not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make >>> phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on, >>> as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken. >>> >>> In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless >>> phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking, >>> shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent. >>> (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone >>> came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.) >>> >> >> That assumes that the only definition of a computer cellphone is your >> definition. >> >> I believe that web browsing and email applications were available on >> some handsets using GPRS / WAP - before wifi standards were >> established (and before CSS got sorted out) >> >> Lots of old Nokia handsets had gaming applications and other utilities >> like alarm clock / calendar /calculator etc >> >> "texting, etc" is NOT fairly recent - I think it came in with release >> 2 of GSM in the early 90s. >> >> NTT DoCoMo introduced iMode in Japan some time in the late 90s - which >> provided a browsing service and some multi user games, along with text >> chatting and possibly some sort of press to talk facility. >> >> i-Mode users also have access to other various services such as: >> sports results, weather forecasts, games, financial services, and >> ticket booking. >> >> The Blackberry Messenger platform provided a global text service based >> on the PIN of the individual handset - regardless of location or >> network operator >> >> Basically, the Apple / Android "axis of evil" may not be the only gig >> in town - and I dont think it was the first >> > You're missing the whole point. Read the thread. And you are avoiding the question
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqa9bl.11a8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146998 |
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> >
> > I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever
> > that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple
> > invented computer cellphones in 2008"
>
> Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007.
> Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm
> not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make
> phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on,
> as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken.
>
> In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless
> phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking,
> shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent.
> (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone
> came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.)
As Andy mentioned, there were mobile phones in the 90s, which had a
browser and could e-mail. They also had some built-in apps, like
calendars, note taking, etc., etc.. Some of them also had add-on apps.
I used such mobile phones in the latter 90s and also used them as a
mobile modem. In the early 2000s, I used a Nokia 6310i [1] as a digital
modem ('thethering').
That's why, as Andy also noted, saying "computer cellphones" when you
mean smartphones, is rather odd and confusing/ambiguous.
[1] 'Nokia 6310i' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6310i>
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 18:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vqa027$2g09r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146985 |
On 05/03/2025 14:47, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 7:15 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> It is the same in Spain. I live in a biggish city (~200K inhabitants). >> The bank branches are gone, now I have to walk farther. I'm fortunate, >> there are still branches at walking distance, villages in the country >> side may have no branches at all. Maybe not even an ATM. >> >> If I want to put some savings in a fund, I have to talk over the phone >> with someone at their central offices, the people at the branch do >> nothing, they no longer do it. And the signing operation maybe done on >> the computer or on the phone, reading unreadable tiny documents on the >> screen. Even if I go to the office to see papers, I have to sign them >> on the phone. >> >> It doesn't matter what I think about having a smartphone. >> > > It sounds like you could live without a cellphone, just as > I can. I think you missed the :- "Even if I go to the office to see papers, I have to sign them on the phone." It very hard to exist without a Spanish cell phone in Spain. I also own a house there and own a Spanish mobile number as well as a uK one. I got it because the local white goods store won´t deliver without a cellphone number. Most places are the same. The bank branches are closing so I need to rely on on-line access. Again the bank won´t give me on-line access without a cell phone. It wants to send me texts with codes for verification. So when I sign into the banks web site, every time I want to do something "new", it still sends a text to my mobile with a different pin number which I need to type into the web site. But there are lifestyle limitations. For example, I > can't call an Uber or rent an AirBnB. The cellphone has > become the only accepted ID for those. On the other hand, > I have no interest in either service. They're parasites. > > But it's changing very quickly. Apple invented > computer cellphones in 2008. Pretty sure I had a Nokia which could send e-mails before that. Whilst not strictly a Smart Phone COMPAQ iPaqs hand held PCs from pre-2000 could take a GSM card and browse the web... For several years people > told me not to call their cellphone because it cost too > much. Only in recent years has it become a lifestyle > of constant texting and cellphone-everything. Maybe it's > less dramatic in the US > because here the cellphone lifestyle is still an urban > lifestyle. Rural areas just don't have the coverage. > Though Musk may end that limitation with his new > satellite service. The lack of mobile coverage in rural UK is also a problem. Many without coverage struggle to use the on-lines services because they need to receive the SMS messages needed to log into banks, government services on a normal connection. > > Eventually I suppose we'll have embedded chips, > with ear and cornea implants. All voice activated. > Then we'll all be convening here to discuss the best app > to stop from hearing tampon ads at 3 AM. na, it will be low cost cremations to drive you suicidal. Dave
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 21:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <hbnm9lxn7k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146995 |
On 2025-03-05 18:02, David Wade wrote: > On 05/03/2025 14:47, Newyana2 wrote: >> On 3/5/2025 7:15 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> It is the same in Spain. I live in a biggish city (~200K >>> inhabitants). The bank branches are gone, now I have to walk farther. >>> I'm fortunate, there are still branches at walking distance, villages >>> in the country side may have no branches at all. Maybe not even an ATM. >>> >>> If I want to put some savings in a fund, I have to talk over the >>> phone with someone at their central offices, the people at the branch >>> do nothing, they no longer do it. And the signing operation maybe >>> done on the computer or on the phone, reading unreadable tiny >>> documents on the screen. Even if I go to the office to see papers, I >>> have to sign them on the phone. >>> >>> It doesn't matter what I think about having a smartphone. >>> >> >> It sounds like you could live without a cellphone, just as >> I can. > > I think you missed the :- > > "Even if I go to the office to see papers, I have to sign them on the > phone." Right. Saves them scanning the signed papers, then destroying the paper. But it is an act of faith, because the papers are unreadable on my phone. > It very hard to exist without a Spanish cell phone in Spain. I also own > a house there and own a Spanish mobile number as well as a uK one. I got > it because the local white goods store won´t deliver without a cellphone > number. Most places are the same. Delivery guys often phone in advance, to know if you are at home. And if not, whether they can deliver to your neighbour instead. Correos doesn't phone till they find you are not home, to negotiate what to do with the package; they often arrive before predicted by Amazon and catch me unawares. For this they want your mobile number so that they can always reach you. > > The bank branches are closing so I need to rely on on-line access. Again > the bank won´t give me on-line access without a cell phone. It wants to > send me texts with codes for verification. So when I sign into the banks > web site, every time I want to do something "new", it still sends a text > to my mobile with a different pin number which I need to type into the > web site. Yep. Some banks or some operations seem to use SMS, others use the banking app. > > >> But there are lifestyle limitations. For example, I >> can't call an Uber or rent an AirBnB. The cellphone has >> become the only accepted ID for those. On the other hand, >> I have no interest in either service. They're parasites. >> >> But it's changing very quickly. Apple invented >> computer cellphones in 2008. > > Pretty sure I had a Nokia which could send e-mails before that. Whilst > not strictly a Smart Phone COMPAQ iPaqs hand held PCs from pre-2000 > could take a GSM card and browse the web... I don't know when smartphones appeared. I know I refused to have one, till I got one. A Samsung Galaxy Mini II. Then I realized there was a market for applications running in a personal handheld mobile device, with access to location. Most used app, WhatsApp. Then maybe maps. Googling for some place when I am not at home is very handy. Example of location based app: an app that tells me the gasoline prices at all the stations around me, so that I can choose the most convenient or the cheapest today. Some supermarkets have apps with all my receipts, so that the mountain of paper receipts is gone. I can then locate when I bought the fan this summer and claim warranty on it. Some supermarkets are unable to get the app right. I can buy tickets for the cinema before going out, and not printing them. Problem becomes having a good enough phone to hold all those apps. Similarly, I refused to have a stupid smartwatch, and I am on my second. As with the smartphone, I realized after the first that I needed a more expensive one. Too small or too cheap is rubbish (example of rubbish: not been able to tell the time in the sun; or getting notices when sleeping). >> For several years people >> told me not to call their cellphone because it cost too >> much. Only in recent years has it become a lifestyle >> of constant texting and cellphone-everything. Maybe it's >> less dramatic in the US >> because here the cellphone lifestyle is still an urban >> lifestyle. Rural areas just don't have the coverage. >> Though Musk may end that limitation with his new >> satellite service. > > The lack of mobile coverage in rural UK is also a problem. Many without > coverage struggle to use the on-lines services because they need to > receive the SMS messages needed to log into banks, government services > on a normal connection. Right. In Spain, it seems to happens to few mountain locked places mostly. But it happens. Although... phoning a foreign mobile phone may be more expensive than phoning the land line. >> Eventually I suppose we'll have embedded chips, >> with ear and cornea implants. All voice activated. >> Then we'll all be convening here to discuss the best app >> to stop from hearing tampon ads at 3 AM. > > na, it will be low cost cremations to drive you suicidal. Add apps will be smart and know when you are sleeping or in the loo doing a number 2, thus with time to read something. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 08:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vq9ihk$2e6t4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146977 |
On 3/5/2025 3:44 AM, David Wade wrote:
>> So, no, I would not be "royally screwed". I don't live the reckless
>> e-lifestyle that you believe is unavoidable.
>
> In the UK its pretty much unavoidable. Bank branches are closing, so for
> example if you live on parts of the Yorkshire Dales you nearest branch
> might be a 45 minute drive away down country lanes....
>
People have been talking about that. It sounds like
Europe is 30 years ahead of the US with these changes.
I can reach several branches within 10 miles. One is an
easy walk. And I could also walk to a different bank.
My bank actually seems to be adding tellers and managers.
I don't know why. Since COVID I mostly use the ATM. My
theory is that it may be connected to the great money
management scam. It's become common in the US for people
to leave their money in the hands of "professional money
managers". These people charge up to 1% per year, whether
your bets win or lose. They set you up with stocks, funds,
annuities, and so on. It made some sense back when people
were making 16% interest on a typical investment fund. Today
the profits are not nearly so predictable and income may actually
drop. But it seems to be where banks are making most of their
money. They're certainly making no efforts to seduce me into
a savings account, with .001% interest.
>
> ... many government tasks have to be done on-line. Watching a TV
> program last night, on claiming some pension credits you need to do it
> on-line. What if you have no on-line access some one asked, the answer,
> go to the library or ask a friend...
>
We have some things like that. Social Seccurity (retirement)
gets auto-deposited. There's no choice in the matter. For old
people without computers there are libraries and senior centers,
with volunteers to help. It's not a terrible burden. But that's
very different from choosing to live through a cellphone.
> Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile linked
> to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are
> screwed...
>
That's one of the factors that makes me nervous. Another
is that security on a cellphone is a mystery. The device is
a sieve and I get very little control over it. Nor do I want to
spend a year becoming an Android expert.
I was thinking of buying stocks at one point, but to do
it cheaply is only online, and that requires a cellphone. Which
brings up another problem: As we get increasingly automated,
no one is minding the store. Companies can simply avoid anyone
who wants to complain or close their account by having no
humans in the process. That's also why the fees are cheaper.
It's becoming like Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times. He foresaw
that almost 100 years ago, yet few see it now.
One can invest through the US Treasury with no cellphone.
A code is sent to email. That's safe in my book. Once I get
the code and finish logging in, no one else can log in. Even if
they could, there's no access there to money. I've created
Social Securtity accounts and IRS (tax) accounts, simply so
that no one else can do it in my name.
But I expect Chris and his e-addled ilk will get the last laugh.
Probably within 5 years I'll be pulled over on the road because
there's no identifying ping coming from my car. The officer will
discover that I don't have a cellphone to provide an easily
searchable documentation of my life. I'll then be arrested, either
under suspicion of espionage, or for mental competency
testing. If I'm lucky, I'll be released with a cellphone locked
to my wrist, ordered to buy stuff and join social media, then
forced to check in with a parole officer once every two weeks --
on Zoom.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 13:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq9n3k.2jc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146977 |
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: [...] > Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile linked > to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are > screwed... Why would you be screwed? Yes, a new phone costs money, it's - rightfully so - a hassle to get a replacement SIM and restoring your apps and data is not all that easy, but "screwed"?
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 17:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vq9umc$2g06s$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146984 |
On 05/03/2025 14:29, Frank Slootweg wrote: > David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: > [...] > >> Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile linked >> to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are >> screwed... > > Why would you be screwed? Yes, a new phone costs money, it's - > rightfully so - a hassle to get a replacement SIM and restoring your > apps and data is not all that easy, but "screwed"? because where you have no local branch of a bank, as is now common in the UK, you are forced to use on-line services. UK law now requires that such on-line services use some form of 2FA, most send a text to your mobile. However if you consider your PAYG SIMM disposable you now have a new number and have the hassle of trying to update it on the banks records... Dave
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| From | Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqa1f5$2gnn5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146993 |
On 05/03/2025 16:38, David Wade wrote: > On 05/03/2025 14:29, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: >> [...] >> >>> Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile linked >>> to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are >>> screwed... >> >> Why would you be screwed? Yes, a new phone costs money, it's - >> rightfully so - a hassle to get a replacement SIM and restoring your >> apps and data is not all that easy, but "screwed"? > > because where you have no local branch of a bank, as is now common in > the UK, you are forced to use on-line services. UK law now requires that > such on-line services use some form of 2FA, most send a text to your > mobile. However if you consider your PAYG SIMM disposable you now have a > new number and have the hassle of trying to update it on the banks > records... > > Dave I manage my online banking with a web browser on a desktop computer (with no wireless connection) and my bank doesnt have my mobile phone number. I have one of those PIN sentry things for when they want to get personal
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 21:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vqad32$2iq9p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146997 |
On 05/03/2025 18:25, Abandoned Trolley wrote: > On 05/03/2025 16:38, David Wade wrote: >> On 05/03/2025 14:29, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: >>> [...] >>> >>>> Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile >>>> linked >>>> to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are >>>> screwed... >>> >>> Why would you be screwed? Yes, a new phone costs money, it's - >>> rightfully so - a hassle to get a replacement SIM and restoring your >>> apps and data is not all that easy, but "screwed"? >> >> because where you have no local branch of a bank, as is now common in >> the UK, you are forced to use on-line services. UK law now requires >> that such on-line services use some form of 2FA, most send a text to >> your mobile. However if you consider your PAYG SIMM disposable you now >> have a new number and have the hassle of trying to update it on the >> banks records... >> >> Dave > > > I manage my online banking with a web browser on a desktop computer > (with no wireless connection) and my bank doesnt have my mobile phone > number. > > I have one of those PIN sentry things for when they want to get personal UK banks seem to have stopped supplying those. Dave
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqa9k7.11a8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146993 |
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: > On 05/03/2025 14:29, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote: > > [...] > > > >> Now I know to do these things in the UK on-line requires a mobile linked > >> to an e-mail account, so lose your mobile and buy a new one you are > >> screwed... > > > > Why would you be screwed? Yes, a new phone costs money, it's - > > rightfully so - a hassle to get a replacement SIM and restoring your > > apps and data is not all that easy, but "screwed"? > > because where you have no local branch of a bank, as is now common in > the UK, you are forced to use on-line services. UK law now requires that > such on-line services use some form of 2FA, most send a text to your > mobile. However if you consider your PAYG SIMM disposable you now have a > new number and have the hassle of trying to update it on the banks > records... Ah, I see. So with "lose your mobile", you actually mean "your SIM expires". That's why <insert_diety> has invented reminders! :-)
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 13:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq9msc.2jc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146970 |
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote: > On 3/4/2025 4:09 PM, Chris wrote: > > > > > If someone has your emails and your mobile phone number you are royally > > screwed. Yes, even you. > > I'm repeatedly struck by how much cellphone addicts can't > imagine any other way to live. My cellphone has no address book, > no apps to speak of, no passwords. I keep it in case I need to > make a phone call away from home. If someone steals it then > I'd just buy another $40 TracFone amnd another $20 card to > get me 3 months usage. No big loss. You're apparently assuming that if a smartphone gets stolen, the thief has access to the apps, data, etc. on the phone. Earth to Newyana2: (S)He hasn't! At least not if the user has something which remotely resembles a functioning brain. Nowadays, there's even protection for the scenario when the thief grabs the unlocked phone from your hands (Theft Protection Lock). Once locked, the thief can not do anything with the phone, except a hard reset (which wipes everything) and sell the phone. The latter is why (s)he stole it in the first place, not for your data. Again: It's not a problem that you don't use this stuff and - apparently - don't want to know/learn how it works. It's *not* OK to spread FUD, urban legends, fear mongering, innuendo, etc., etc. about something you don't even use and clearly do not understand.
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