Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.mobile.android > #146914 > unrolled thread
| Started by | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2025-03-03 12:27 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-03-15 08:48 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 123 — 14 participants |
Back to article view | Back to comp.mobile.android
"'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-03 12:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 10:47 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> - 2025-03-03 17:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-03 17:33 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> - 2025-03-03 18:20 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-03 15:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 17:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 17:38 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 14:04 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 19:28 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:36 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:35 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 17:35 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:49 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 08:07 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 22:58 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:50 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-03 21:23 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-04 06:43 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-04 09:22 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 16:40 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-04 10:21 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 18:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 14:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 21:38 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-03 17:31 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 08:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-04 08:09 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-04 16:22 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 21:09 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-04 19:43 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 05:34 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:22 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 16:15 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 09:44 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:15 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:47 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 14:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 10:42 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 16:51 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 17:21 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 12:37 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-05 18:03 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 16:00 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 22:07 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 15:42 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:28 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 16:01 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 21:03 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:40 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:02 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:04 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-05 08:12 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:29 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 17:38 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2025-03-05 17:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:44 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:45 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:57 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-05 14:10 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 16:26 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:33 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:08 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 19:25 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 19:43 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:40 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 21:26 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:38 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-03 20:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 07:19 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-03 21:31 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-03-06 01:56 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-06 13:54 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-03-06 14:57 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-06 11:09 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-06 11:17 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:12 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-07 09:35 -0700
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 18:24 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:36 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:17 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 16:16 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 10:30 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-03-06 16:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-06 19:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 07:37 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:46 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-07 13:24 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-07 09:38 -0500
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-07 15:35 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-07 15:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-14 18:49 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-15 09:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-15 11:46 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 08:35 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-15 17:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-15 19:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 23:30 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-03-16 05:01 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-16 08:47 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 13:47 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-16 15:13 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 16:04 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-16 18:00 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-17 08:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-17 13:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-17 14:53 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:44 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 10:42 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:48 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 13:18 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-20 13:27 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2025-03-20 14:28 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-20 16:02 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-20 13:00 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-16 11:54 -0400
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-16 16:09 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-16 19:23 +0000
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-16 23:10 +0100
Re: "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-15 08:48 -0400
Page 1 of 7 [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next page →
| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 12:27 +0000 |
| Subject | "'Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" |
| Message-ID | <vq478a$1a6p9$1@dont-email.me> |
"Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg885lxd3jo [An unfortunate choice of photo of the victim, he looks really cheerful about it.] "A man targeted by fraudsters who got his mobile phone number from an energy company said he often woke up in the night thinking "what next?". Stephen, from Hertfordshire, had more than £40,000 taken from a savings account after his name and email address was used to get the information from EDF. Within 48 hours of his mobile phone number being divulged, his accounts with O2, Nationwide Building Society and Virgin Media had all been compromised. EDF said such incidents were rare but it took them seriously and added: "We are sorry for the difficulties this fraudulent caller has caused Stephen." ... '£50 to close the case' After more than a week, EDF finally responded about the call it thought Stephen made at 11:00 GMT on 3 February. EDF explained the fraudster had his name and email address and had asked EDF to give them his mobile number, which the company did. "I said, 'Why would you do that?' They said the person had gone through security. 'With a name and email address', I asked?," he said. "EDF said, 'Yes' - and then offered me a £50 goodwill gesture to close the case." So, EDF allowed them to go from his email address to obtaining his mobile phone number for a SIM-swap scam, but I wonder how they managed to go from either to all his savings accounts, unless they'd also compromised his PC or phone as well; if the latter, why did they need to go via EDF? -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
[toc] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 10:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vq4isi$1ccn0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146914 |
On 3/3/2025 7:27 AM, Java Jive wrote: > "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg885lxd3jo > > [An unfortunate choice of photo of the victim, he looks really cheerful > about it.] > > > "A man targeted by fraudsters who got his mobile phone number from an > energy company said he often woke up in the night thinking "what next?". > > Stephen, from Hertfordshire, had more than £40,000 taken from a savings > account after his name and email address was used to get the information > from EDF. > > Within 48 hours of his mobile phone number being divulged, his accounts > with O2, Nationwide Building Society and Virgin Media had all been > compromised. > > EDF said such incidents were rare but it took them seriously and added: > "We are sorry for the difficulties this fraudulent caller has caused > Stephen." > > ... > > > '£50 to close the case' > > After more than a week, EDF finally responded about the call it thought > Stephen made at 11:00 GMT on 3 February. > > EDF explained the fraudster had his name and email address and had asked > EDF to give them his mobile number, which the company did. > > "I said, 'Why would you do that?' They said the person had gone through > security. 'With a name and email address', I asked?," he said. > > "EDF said, 'Yes' - and then offered me a £50 goodwill gesture to close > the case." > > > So, EDF allowed them to go from his email address to obtaining his > mobile phone number for a SIM-swap scam, but I wonder how they managed > to go from either to all his savings accounts, unless they'd also > compromised his PC or phone as well; if the latter, why did they need to > go via EDF? > It sounds like some of the story is missing. (Not least of which is an explanation of what "EDF" means.) I don't see how the man could have been scammed without having at least one password, such as the email password. Name, email address and cellphone number don't make for vulnerability. Someone could do something like apply for a charge card in your name, but they still need access to your accounts in order to do it. Maybe the moral of the story here is to stop thinking that it's safe to have olnine accounts, especially that one uses via cellphone. Sensitive info shouldn't be available in the first place. But it would be interesting to know exactly how this scam worked. There are also non-online scams. For example, twice this year someone has tried to get a credit card in my name. Apparently they call up after applying and change the mailing address. The only reason it didn't work is because I have my credit frozen with the 3 credit reporting agencies in the US.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 17:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq4nv8$1d63h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146916 |
On 03/03/2025 15:47, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/3/2025 7:27 AM, Java Jive wrote: >> "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg885lxd3jo >> >> [An unfortunate choice of photo of the victim, he looks really >> cheerful about it.] >> >> >> "A man targeted by fraudsters who got his mobile phone number from an >> energy company said he often woke up in the night thinking "what next?". >> >> Stephen, from Hertfordshire, had more than £40,000 taken from a >> savings account after his name and email address was used to get the >> information from EDF. >> >> Within 48 hours of his mobile phone number being divulged, his >> accounts with O2, Nationwide Building Society and Virgin Media had all >> been compromised. >> >> EDF said such incidents were rare but it took them seriously and >> added: "We are sorry for the difficulties this fraudulent caller has >> caused Stephen." >> >> ... >> >> >> '£50 to close the case' >> >> After more than a week, EDF finally responded about the call it >> thought Stephen made at 11:00 GMT on 3 February. >> >> EDF explained the fraudster had his name and email address and had >> asked EDF to give them his mobile number, which the company did. >> >> "I said, 'Why would you do that?' They said the person had gone >> through security. 'With a name and email address', I asked?," he said. >> >> "EDF said, 'Yes' - and then offered me a £50 goodwill gesture to close >> the case." >> >> >> So, EDF allowed them to go from his email address to obtaining his >> mobile phone number for a SIM-swap scam, but I wonder how they managed >> to go from either to all his savings accounts, unless they'd also >> compromised his PC or phone as well; if the latter, why did they need >> to go via EDF? >> > > It sounds like some of the story is missing. (Not least of which is an > explanation of what "EDF" means.) Electricité de France. I used to have an electricity supply account with them in France. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 17:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq4p4t$1dgtp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146918 |
On 2025-03-03 17:13, David Rance wrote: > > On 03/03/2025 15:47, Newyana2 wrote: >> >> It sounds like some of the story is missing. (Not least of which is an >> explanation of what "EDF" means.) > > Electricité de France. > > I used to have an electricity supply account with them in France. And they do business in the UK also. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq4rt3$1d63h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146920 |
On 03/03/2025 17:33, Java Jive wrote: > On 2025-03-03 17:13, David Rance wrote: >> >> On 03/03/2025 15:47, Newyana2 wrote: >>> >>> It sounds like some of the story is missing. (Not least of which >>> is an >>> explanation of what "EDF" means.) >> >> Electricité de France. >> >> I used to have an electricity supply account with them in France. > > And they do business in the UK also. Yes, they expanded into the UK a few years ago. At the same time they amalgamated with a few other businesses and now my account is with Enedis. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq4jcb$1aivq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146914 |
On 03/03/2025 12:27, Java Jive wrote: > "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg885lxd3jo > "A man targeted by fraudsters who got his mobile phone number from an > energy company said he often woke up in the night thinking "what next?". > > Stephen, from Hertfordshire, had more than £40,000 taken from a savings > account after his name and email address was used to get the information > from EDF. > > Within 48 hours of his mobile phone number being divulged, his accounts > with O2, Nationwide Building Society and Virgin Media had all been > compromised. > > > So, EDF allowed them to go from his email address to obtaining his mobile > phone number for a SIM-swap scam, but I wonder how they managed to go from > either to all his savings accounts, unless they'd also compromised his PC > or phone as well; if the latter, why did they need to go via EDF? Possibly via his email, which was with Virgin Media. I hope VM don't just send a password reset code to an O2 phone linked to the VM account. Or he's been pwned.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2m70fF4cnfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146914 |
Java Jive wrote: > "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" Clearly EDF shouldn't go about giving out customer information, but I ought to be able to paint my mobile number in 1ft high letters on the side of my house and not have my SIM "swapped" All UK networks should take extra security measures, such as writing to customers at known address to confirm such a drastic action.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 17:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq4pev$1dkj6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146919 |
On 3/3/25 10:25 AM, Andy Burns wrote: >Java Jive wrote: > >> "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number" > >Clearly EDF shouldn't go about giving out customer information, but I >ought to be able to paint my mobile number in 1ft high letters on the >side of my house and not have my SIM "swapped" > >All UK networks should take extra security measures, such as writing to >customers at known address to confirm such a drastic action. I have a pin on file with my US phone company. They're not supposed to take any action without it. Hopefully they'll stick to it...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 14:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vq4ue1$1ejeg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146919 |
On 3/3/2025 12:25 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Java Jive wrote:
>
>> "Scammers stole £40k after EDF gave out my number"
>
> Clearly EDF shouldn't go about giving out customer information, but I
> ought to be able to paint my mobile number in 1ft high letters on the
> side of my house and not have my SIM "swapped"
>
> All UK networks should take extra security measures, such as writing to
> customers at known address to confirm such a drastic action.
>
I think the problem is a balance between security and convenience.
If you lose your cellphone, you don't want to have to go somewhere
with a certified letter and drivers license to confirm you are who
you say you are. If scammers can get hold of enough personal info,
or trick phone operators, or find a dishonest phone company employee
to pay off, then they're all set. It's easy for them precisely because it's
convenient for you. From there they can just log into the
victim's email and other accounts, click "I forgot my password", receive
a reset code on their cellphone, and set a new password. Poof! They've
taken over your life.
To pull it off, probably the biggest obstacle is getting enough personal
info, like email address, home address, birthdate, etc. That's exactly the
kind of info that gets regularly exposed in data hacks online, and it's
the kind of info they'll need to pull off a SIM swap.
So the weak point here, which was supposed to be the strong point,
is 2FA. The secondary weak point is people having online accounts in
the first place. If you're banking online then you're vulnerable. But it's
not easy to avoid. I had to call my bank's corporate offices in order
to block the possibility of creating an online account. For most people
that's out of the question. People want convenience. Walk to the bank?
Fuggetaboutit!
Ironically, unless someone can hack into my computer they have
virtually zero chance of taking over my accounts. First, I don't have
online accounts, generally. Second, since I don't use 2FA an attacker
would have to somehow get my email passwords.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 19:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2me7kF4cneU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146923 |
Newyana2 wrote: > I think the problem is a balance between security and convenience. If you've been careless enough to lose or damage your phone, you deserve a bit of hurt :-) > If you lose your cellphone, you don't want to have to go somewhere > with a certified letter and drivers license to confirm you are who > you say you are. I'm envisaging something like you (or the criminals) phone the service provider, they say "fine we'll send a letter with a code to the address we have on file, call us back tomorrow when you get it", they could even include a new SIM while they're at it. The criminal is therefore cut out of the loop (if they try to organise post redirection to intercept the letter, the post office will send notification of the redirection in the post before they actually start the redirection, so the criminals can't short circuit it that way.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 21:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9ggh9lxofo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146925 |
On 2025-03-03 20:28, Andy Burns wrote: > Newyana2 wrote: > >> I think the problem is a balance between security and convenience. > > If you've been careless enough to lose or damage your phone, you deserve > a bit of hurt :-) > >> If you lose your cellphone, you don't want to have to go somewhere >> with a certified letter and drivers license to confirm you are who >> you say you are. > > I'm envisaging something like you (or the criminals) phone the service > provider, they say "fine we'll send a letter with a code to the address > we have on file, call us back tomorrow when you get it", they could even > include a new SIM while they're at it. The criminal is therefore cut > out of the loop (if they try to organise post redirection to intercept > the letter, the post office will send notification of the redirection in > the post before they actually start the redirection, so the criminals > can't short circuit it that way. Bad guys have been known to lie in wait near the house to steal the mail when it arrives. Specially if the mailbox is external to the house. -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 21:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8dgh9lxofo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146923 |
On 2025-03-03 20:04, Newyana2 wrote: > So the weak point here, which was supposed to be the strong point, > is 2FA. The secondary weak point is people having online accounts in > the first place. If you're banking online then you're vulnerable. But it's > not easy to avoid. I had to call my bank's corporate offices in order > to block the possibility of creating an online account. For most people > that's out of the question. People want convenience. Walk to the bank? > Fuggetaboutit! It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and they have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get inside the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my account! -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 17:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vq5apd$1gojh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146931 |
On 3/3/2025 3:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and they
> have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get inside
> the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my account!
>
I didn't know that. There are somewhat less banks here,
but I can easily walk to mine. There are banches in most local
towns, so I can easily get to an ATM. My bank is open 7 days,
usually with 2 tellers on duty. And I can deposit checks in the
ATM, too.
It's scary to me how fast people are accepting online banks.
They pay better interest, but what are the guarantees? I would
never get an online bank account. There are safer ways to get
interest.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-04 02:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <pp2i9lxh3m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146938 |
On 2025-03-03 23:35, Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/3/2025 3:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and >> they have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get >> inside the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my >> account! >> > I didn't know that. There are somewhat less banks here, > but I can easily walk to mine. There are banches in most local > towns, so I can easily get to an ATM. My bank is open 7 days, > usually with 2 tellers on duty. And I can deposit checks in the > ATM, too. Not that kind of cheque, they don't exist here anymore. It is a cheque written by the bank itself and guaranteed by them. It is not backed by the account of a person. I don't know how they call that in English. Branches are disappearing here. A relatively small village may have no office at all, maybe not even a cash machine (ah, ATMs). Banks are open, but during covid they enforced "get an appointment in advance", and they are keeping that rule. You can not just walk in, you need an appointment. > It's scary to me how fast people are accepting online banks. > They pay better interest, but what are the guarantees? I would > never get an online bank account. There are safer ways to get > interest. Even traditional banks force us to use them online. -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-04 08:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq6cck$1pl9j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146941 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-03-03 23:35, Newyana2 wrote: >> On 3/3/2025 3:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and >>> they have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get >>> inside the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my >>> account! >>> >> I didn't know that. There are somewhat less banks here, >> but I can easily walk to mine. There are banches in most local >> towns, so I can easily get to an ATM. My bank is open 7 days, >> usually with 2 tellers on duty. And I can deposit checks in the >> ATM, too. > > Not that kind of cheque, they don't exist here anymore. It is a cheque > written by the bank itself and guaranteed by them. It is not backed by > the account of a person. I don't know how they call that in English. In the UK, it's called a banker's draft. > Branches are disappearing here. A relatively small village may have no > office at all, maybe not even a cash machine (ah, ATMs). Banks are open, > but during covid they enforced "get an appointment in advance", and they > are keeping that rule. You can not just walk in, you need an appointment. > > >> It's scary to me how fast people are accepting online banks. >> They pay better interest, but what are the guarantees? I would >> never get an online bank account. There are safer ways to get >> interest. > > Even traditional banks force us to use them online. It's not forced here. The service is usually better. In particular, many banks only ever opened for half a day at the weekend. Now most smaller branch don't open at all. Which is totally stupid. Why not close one day in the week and then open all day saturday?
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 22:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq5c6f$1gvkf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146931 |
On 3/3/25 1:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >On 2025-03-03 20:04, Newyana2 wrote: >> So the weak point here, which was supposed to be the strong point, >> is 2FA. The secondary weak point is people having online accounts in >> the first place. If you're banking online then you're vulnerable. But it's >> not easy to avoid. I had to call my bank's corporate offices in order >> to block the possibility of creating an online account. For most people >> that's out of the question. People want convenience. Walk to the bank? >> Fuggetaboutit! >It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and they >have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get inside >the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my account! I always cash checks using my bank's phone app. No physical bank necessary. You don't have that capability there ??
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-04 02:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sr2i9lxh3m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146939 |
On 2025-03-03 23:58, AJL wrote: > On 3/3/25 1:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-03-03 20:04, Newyana2 wrote: >>> So the weak point here, which was supposed to be the strong point, >>> is 2FA. The secondary weak point is people having online accounts in >>> the first place. If you're banking online then you're vulnerable. But >>> it's >>> not easy to avoid. I had to call my bank's corporate offices in order >>> to block the possibility of creating an online account. For most people >>> that's out of the question. People want convenience. Walk to the bank? >>> Fuggetaboutit! > >> It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, and >> they have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment to get >> inside the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big cheque into my >> account! > > I always cash checks using my bank's phone app. No physical bank necessary. > You don't have that capability there ?? It is not that type of check, see my other reply. I have not seen a normal check in a decade. -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-03 21:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vq5v85$1nj23$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146942 |
On 3/3/2025 6:50 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-03-03 23:58, AJL wrote: >> On 3/3/25 1:35 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-03-03 20:04, Newyana2 wrote: >>>> So the weak point here, which was supposed to be the strong >>>> point, is 2FA. The secondary weak point is people having online >>>> accounts in the first place. If you're banking online then >>>> you're vulnerable. But it's not easy to avoid. I had to call my >>>> bank's corporate offices in order to block the possibility of >>>> creating an online account. For most people that's out of the >>>> question. People want convenience. Walk to the bank? >>>> Fuggetaboutit! >> >>> It is not a choice for us, they are removing physical offices, >>> and they have fewer employees. I even have to book an appointment >>> to get inside the bank office. Even if I want to cash a big >>> cheque into my account! >> >> I always cash checks using my bank's phone app. No physical bank >> necessary. You don't have that capability there ?? > > It is not that type of check, see my other reply. Ah. I would have to go to the bank to get a guaranteed Cashiers check as well. It's been years since I needed one. But I live in a highly populated area (2M+ metro) so lot of banks nearby. > I have not seen a normal check in a decade. I still use checks but not like the old days. I pay the yard guy by putting a check under the doormat. I mail checks for graduation, birthday, etc. gifts to the grandkids/greatgrandkids around the country. I wrote a check for my last car purchase. Some of my investments still mail dividend checks to me although most do direct deposit. However if they will take my credit card I always use that since unlike a check I get 3% cash back on most purchases...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-04 06:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2nlnvFb25rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146939 |
AJL wrote: > I always cash checks using my bank's phone app. No physical bank necessary. > You don't have that capability there ?? Cheques are almost extinct in the UK, if it wasn't for dealing with my parents' estates I wouldn't have received any in the past decade. Yes, we have the ability to photograph a cheque to bank it, but there are limits on amounts and quantities per week ...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-04 09:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vq79be$1ulmv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #146946 |
On 3/3/2025 11:43 PM, Andy Burns wrote: > AJL wrote: > >> I always cash checks using my bank's phone app. No physical bank >> necessary. You don't have that capability there ?? > > Cheques are almost extinct in the UK, if it wasn't for dealing with > my parents' estates I wouldn't have received any in the past decade. I don't get very many checks. Currently just the 2 investment checks in the mail in the last 3 months. All other reoccurring income I get is directly deposited in my bank but of course that has to be prearranged. Same for most of my reoccurring bills of which most are directly debited from my bank. Some bills will actually take my cashback credit card (like insurance). Those are automatically debited from the CC. Once set up life becomes very simple... :) However, the one thing I like about checks is that I can write one out in a few minutes and hand it (or mail it) to ANYONE. I don't need complicated account numbers or apps for the transfer. > Yes, we have the ability to photograph a cheque to bank it, but > there are limits on amounts and quantities per week ... That may be here too. I don't know since I deposit so few checks using the phone app. But it definitely is a very handy service...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 1 of 7 [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | comp.mobile.android
csiph-web