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  transfer to a new smartphone "Wendelin Uez" <wuez@online.de> - 2025-01-05 14:18 +0100
    Re: transfer to a new smartphone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:17 +0100
    Re: transfer to a new smartphone Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 18:36 +0100
    Re: transfer to a new smartphone Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-05 11:11 -0800
    Re: transfer to a new smartphone The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 12:01 -0800
      Re: transfer to a new smartphone Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2025-01-09 10:41 -0500
    Re: transfer to a new smartphone "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-06 20:21 +0100

#146255 — transfer to a new smartphone

It's time to move to a new smartphone. I knwo when changing from one Android 
smartphone to a newer one I can login to my Google account with the newer 
smartphone and data are copied from backup to the new one.

Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their own 
data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google-apps and 
their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to reinstall them 
manually? 

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#146256

On 2025-01-05 14:18, Wendelin Uez wrote:
> It's time to move to a new smartphone. I knwo when changing from one 
> Android smartphone to a newer one I can login to my Google account with 
> the newer smartphone and data are copied from backup to the new one.

Get in advance an usb3 to usb3 cable, to connect both phones together. 
Make sure both phones are charged full. There is automated software on 
the new phone to copy all that is necessary.

> 
> Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their 
> own data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google- 
> apps and their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to 
> reinstall them manually?

Whatsapp copies fine, just make a full backup to google before 
transferring. I'm unsure if the usb cable copies everything (I did not 
have the cable last time I made a transfer).

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146275

Wendelin Uez, 2025-01-05 14:18:

> It's time to move to a new smartphone. I knwo when changing from one Android 
> smartphone to a newer one I can login to my Google account with the newer 
> smartphone and data are copied from backup to the new one.
> 
> Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their own 
> data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google-apps and 
> their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to reinstall them 
> manually? 

Mostly all apps with their data will be transferred when you use the
direct copy feature using Bluetooth. That means you power on both
devices and put them next to each other and then transfer the data using
the transfer function when you setup the new device. Using Google backup
and restore should work mostly identical, but I did not do a thourough
comparison of both methods yet.

One exception are apps which use the secure storage of the device since
this data can not be copied by design - it only exists in the secure
storage and can be used to verify the identity of the device or do
cryptographic signatures but it can not be read and copied to another
devices for security reasons. For example banking apps and Google Wallet
work this way.

Also some apps may not allow to backup and restore data - what also is
the case for most banking apps but also some apps which use DRM to
protect downloaded content.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#146282

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 14:18:14 +0100, Wendelin Uez wrote:
> 
> It's time to move to a new smartphone. I knwo when changing from one Android 
> smartphone to a newer one I can login to my Google account with the newer 
> smartphone and data are copied from backup to the new one.
> 
> Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their own 
> data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google-apps and 
> their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to reinstall them 
> manually? 

My Samsung phone was stolen last month, so I had to follow the 
process you described on my new Pixel phone. I found that most of the 
non-Google apps did get restored. I can't remember which ones I had 
to download manually, but it was a small number. It wasn't a matter 
of downloading only the apps in Google's Play Store, because I had no 
apps on my old phone from any other source -- other than the Samsung 
ones that came preinstalled on that phone, and I didn't care about 
losing those.

YMMV, but for me getting everything re-established and setting all 
the settings on my new phone took only an afternoon, much less than I 
had feared. And because you'll still have access to the old phone, 
you won't have to spend time racking your brain to remember what is 
missing. :-)

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#146284

On 1/5/25 5:18 AM, Wendelin Uez wrote:
> It's time to move to a new smartphone. I knwo when changing from one Android
> smartphone to a newer one I can login to my Google account with the newer
> smartphone and data are copied from backup to the new one.
> 
> Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their own
> data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google-apps and
> their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to reinstall them
> manually?

When I bought a Pixel2 in 2020 I was surprised to find that following 
the Pixel instructions copied over EVERYTHING from my Motorola G5. 
Passwords, apps, settings, everything.  I regretted not removing the 
sdcard from the G5 because the Pixel created a new named subdirectory 
with all that stuff in it and which I am now afraid to delete.  Still, 
I've only used half the storage the Pixel came with.  I am most afraid 
of having to re-do all the app settings (I never leave anything alone), 
but this fear was groundless.

If all phones are this easy now you should have no trouble.



-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Not everyone can be above average so why
     shouldn't we be the ones to suck?"
              --Anonymous School Board Member

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#146355

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 12:01:30 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> If all phones are this easy now you should have no trouble.

You even get the homescreen folders and app icons nowadays in the exact
same place on the new phone as they were on the old phone.

It's now so easy that it's almost to the point that you can't tell the
difference between the old phone & the new after a migration nowadays.

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#146336

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 14:18:14 +0100, Wendelin Uez wrote:

> Bit what exactly is copied? I have addtional apps installed having their own 
> data, f.e. WhatsApp, Firefox, Mail clients. Are these non-Google-apps and 
> their data also backuped and restored, or do I have to reinstall them 
> manually? 

They should be copied as well, but for security reasons it's possible
you have to log in again on the new device. In my case all my apps were
copied and they were even in the same order and in the same maps that I
created.

My latest phones were Pixels and they contain a cable to connect both
devices and transfer the data. You get step by step instructions. Not
much can go wrong. (Well, maybe if you have a Samsung... ;-)

-- 
s|b

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