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  EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 03:32 +0000
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:43 -0800
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 10:05 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-29 11:32 +0100
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-12-29 09:24 -0600
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2024-12-29 09:40 +0000
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2024-12-29 11:24 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-29 12:24 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:31 -0700
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:50 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:46 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:04 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:27 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:38 -0800
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:42 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:45 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 -0500
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:40 -0800
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:44 +0100
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-30 15:56 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:11 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:17 +0100
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 00:58 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:42 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0100
                                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:36 +0000
                                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:18 +0100
                                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:15 +0000
                                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
                                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-31 22:25 +0000
                                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:16 +0100
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 08:47 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:25 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:49 -0800
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:05 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 22:34 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-12-31 07:04 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 23:05 -0800
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:22 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 04:50 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 20:58 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-12-30 18:03 +1300
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 05:06 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 22:36 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:26 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Charles - 2024-12-30 17:41 -0500
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:11 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:20 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:33 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:51 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:24 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:19 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:14 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:13 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:46 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:25 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:07 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:32 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:24 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:39 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:48 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-31 16:03 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:20 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-30 06:21 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 09:00 -0500
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-12-29 16:18 +0100
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 12:25 -0500
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:03 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:02 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-31 08:39 -0500
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:58 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 10:01 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:41 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:20 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:50 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:53 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:36 +0100
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:10 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:26 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:42 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:28 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:00 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:15 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:19 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:47 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 22:22 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:36 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:41 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:32 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:18 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-02 09:53 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 10:34 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-04 11:18 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 21:43 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 14:45 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:37 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:47 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 22:55 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 12:56 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:48 -0800

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#145919

On 2024-12-30 23:04, Bob Martin wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>
> 
> Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
> 

That's probably true.

Because to be a Linux user, you have to have become more of an expert at 
maintaining computers rather than using them.

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#145936

On 2024-12-31 08:05, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 23:04, Bob Martin wrote:
>> On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
>>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>>
>>
>> Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
>>
> 
> That's probably true.
> 
> Because to be a Linux user, you have to have become more of an expert at 
> maintaining computers rather than using them.

Not at all. Once we do something, it stays put. From that point, we just 
use the machine.

We know more because we have to rely on our selves, not being another 
person nearby to help with our problems. We have to read documentation, 
solve problems, and ask on internet.

We were not taught on school, either, as Windows things are.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145832

knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :

> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Hi Keith,

You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.

Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.

This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.

And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
How is that?

He just makes it all up as he *hates* iOS doesn't interoperate with any
operating system, least of all Android or Windows (somewhat with Linux).

The fact is that there is no interoperability between Windows & iOS.
a. Copy any movie from any number of PCs to any number of Androids;
b. It just works.

Try that with any number of iOS devices & any number of Windows PCs:
It just does NOT work.

1. You have to add bloatware (e.g., something akin to iTunes)
2. You have to match the Apple ID and login credentials
3. Then, and only then, can you do it with *one* device & *one* PC

You have to do that with every device and every PC.
Wipe out the Apple ID. Add the next one. Wipe that out. Add another.

I have more Apple devices than most people do but even I don't claim to be
able to do the impossible (which Alan Baker always claims only he can do).

HINT: It's actually *easier* to copy movies to iOS from Linux though.
That's because Linux implements iFuse which circumvents the walled garden.

 <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous Linux, win & iOS
 <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> idiot iOS hacks just to copy
 <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for magic
 <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is not useful
 <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

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#145833

On 2024-12-29 20:50, Andrew wrote:
> knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
> 
>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how 
>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
> everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.
> 
> Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
> Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.
> 
> This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
> billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.
> 
> And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
> How is that?

I've never said that.

In fact, I support Windows PCs and their users every day, and I have a 
Lenovo laptop which I access using Microsoft Remote Desktop so I can 
take advantage of my Macs far superior display and mouse tracking.

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#145834

On 2024-12-30 03:37:36 +0000, knuttle said:

> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>>>> 
>>>>> intention
>>>>> 
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> 
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>> 
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>>> 
>>> additional
>>> 
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> 
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>>> 
>>> holes!)...
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> But...
>>> 
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to 
>>> 
>>> do it
>>> 
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> 
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> 
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nope. False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fancy that.
>>> 
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE 
>>> 
>>> IDs!
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Completely false.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FACT:
>>> 
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> 
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>> 
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> 

Another idiot troll for the killfile.  :-\

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#145835

knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :

> how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Hi Keith,

Images are actually easy to copy in *that* direction (from iOS to PC).
But Apple doesn't give the user any say in the file names.
So they're all idiotic sophomoric numberical meaningless names for each.

But try to move anything other than images from iOS to Windows and
everything becomes harder - and then - try to go the other way 
(i.e., from Windows to iOS) and then try it on another iOS device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way 

Note Apple's coding team sucks so badly they can't even figure out how to
allow the user to name the image files in a way that makes any sense.

It's yet another instance of where Apple hates you.
Apple doesn't think you should have any control over the image file name!

But try to copy something other than an image file and nothing works.
Apple murdered interoperability.

For each of those steps, Apple blocks interoperability in a different way,
e.g., you need to know the Apple ID (aka Apple Account) for every iOS
device and you need to know the password and you need to wipe it out and
then do it again with the *next* device, etc., and even then, you can only
import/export where Apple allows you to (which is almost nowhere, e.g., you
can't import/export IPA files and then install them on a *different* iOS
device (even free IPAs) - whereas with Android - all this just works.

To show you how fantastic Windows is with APKs from Android, all I have to
do is *slide* the APK from Windows to the Android display to install them.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

Yup. You just *slide* the APK from Windows to the image of Android.
And it automatically installs that app.

You can slide a hundred APKs to one Android from one PC & they install.
You can slide another hundred to another set of Androids, & they install.

It just works.
You can even mount your entire Android phone as a Windows drive letter.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: <===> Android

That's interoperability!
-- 
Ask that Apple troll Alan Baker how he installs any IPA from any Windows PC
over to any number of Apple devices - only he can do that impossible task.

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#145836

On 2024-12-29 21:06, Andrew wrote:
> knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
> 
>> how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> Images are actually easy to copy in *that* direction (from iOS to PC).
> But Apple doesn't give the user any say in the file names.
> So they're all idiotic sophomoric numberical meaningless names for each.

They're numbered sequentially and have LOTS of metadata...

> 
> But try to move anything other than images from iOS to Windows and
> everything becomes harder - and then - try to go the other way (i.e., 
> from Windows to iOS) and then try it on another iOS device.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way
> Note Apple's coding team sucks so badly they can't even figure out how to
> allow the user to name the image files in a way that makes any sense.
 > > It's yet another instance of where Apple hates you.
> Apple doesn't think you should have any control over the image file name!

The images are named sequentially, but can be renamed once their on your 
PC. They also have metadata associated with them such as the time and 
place they were taken and the exposure, etc.

> 
> But try to copy something other than an image file and nothing works.
> Apple murdered interoperability.

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/devices-windows/mchl4bd77d3a/windows>

> 
> For each of those steps, Apple blocks interoperability in a different way,
> e.g., you need to know the Apple ID (aka Apple Account) for every iOS
> device and you need to know the password and you need to wipe it out and

Utterly false.

> then do it again with the *next* device, etc., and even then, you can only
> import/export where Apple allows you to (which is almost nowhere, e.g., you
> can't import/export IPA files and then install them on a *different* iOS
> device (even free IPAs) - whereas with Android - all this just works.

And then the rest of this is just off-topic ranting.

> 
> To show you how fantastic Windows is with APKs from Android, all I have to
> do is *slide* the APK from Windows to the Android display to install them.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows
> 
> Yup. You just *slide* the APK from Windows to the image of Android.
> And it automatically installs that app.
> 
> You can slide a hundred APKs to one Android from one PC & they install.
> You can slide another hundred to another set of Androids, & they install.
> 
> It just works.
> You can even mount your entire Android phone as a Windows drive letter.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: <===> Android
> 
> That's interoperability!

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#145841

On 30/12/2024 04:37, knuttle wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>>>> intention
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about 
>>> iOS.
>>>
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>
>> False.
>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> False.
>>
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>>
>>>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>>> holes!)...
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> But...
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to 
>>> do it
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>
>> Nope. False.
>>
>>>
>>> Fancy that.
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT 
>>> APPLE IDs!
>>
>> Completely false.
>>
>>>
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>
>>
>>
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Well I use the same way on both my Android Phone and my Wifes iPhone. 
Installed Microsoft OneDrive and it copies all photos to our one drives, 
one drive on the PC copies them back. They then get backup up to a NAS 
box by a scheduled task on the PC that runs every Sunday at 7.00.

They are always there I never miss a photo. Despite all the slagging off 
of the cloud, its a lot more reliable than my 70 year old brain...

Dave

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#145897

On 12/29/2024 10:37 PM, knuttle wrote:

> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Its all automatic here.   Why people are desperately trying to do it 
manually using USB cables is a mystery to me.

Install iTunes on your PC.  Not the fake iTunes in the "Microsoft 
Store".   The REAL iTunes from Apple.  Set it up to automagically 
download photos from your iCloud account.  I have all my photos on my 
iPads/iPhone and Windows 7/10/11 PCs.   Added bonus is that the photos 
on your PC are permanent.   Deleting pics from your iPhone/iPad/iCloud 
are NOT removed from your PC.   So its an automatic, local, full backup 
of your iCloud photos.  Could not be easier.

Apple loves me.

Its 2025.  These things can and should be automated.  But if you want to 
live in 2005 - where you plugged your camera into your PC and manually 
transferred photos - then knock yourself out.

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#145914

Nick Charles wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 17:41:43 -0500 :

> Apple loves me.

The proof that Apple hates you is simply that it costs you lots of money to
maintain that expensive iCloud account (over the free 5GB which is a
pittance) even if you have other ways of slightly increasing the free
allocation.

Why do you think Apple doesn't allow you to insert a ten dollar 256GB card?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple removed the aux jack?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple uses the cheapest batteries in the industry?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple removed the charger (claiming it's "green" for them
to do so)? Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think only Apple uses non proprietary cabling for its devices.
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple forces you to log into their privacy robbing servers
24/7./365 just for the privilege of copying files from one device to
another?

Apple hates you (but loves your money).

With respect to universal chargers, Apple murdered interoperability; but...
the EU is forcing Apple to NOT hate you for the first time in its history.

Note: Same with batteries where Apple is no longer allowed to sell their
iPhones in Europe which fail the minimum charge cycle lifetime limits.

Nobody else failed.
Just Apple.

Why?
Apple hates you.

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#145847

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>> 
>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>> pretty useless if they didn't.
> 
> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.

You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS. 

> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>   (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
> 
> Apple murdered interoperability.
>
> 
> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
> 
> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)... 

And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
Were you lying?

[ snip untruths ]

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#145880

Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
> 
> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS. 

WTF?

These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.

 *How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable*
 <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>

The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
Not mine.

Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.

>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)... 
> 
> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?

Jesus Christ, Chris.

You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.

With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.

 *Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
 *over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
 *(no proprietary software needed)*
 <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>

> Were you lying?

OMG, Chris!
Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.

Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.

So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.

Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
 *How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
 *over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
 <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>

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#145885

On 2024-12-30 11:33, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about 
>>> iOS.
>>
>> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS. 
> 
> WTF?
> 
> These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.
> 
> *How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB 
> cable*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>
> 
> The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
> Not mine.
> 
> Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
> It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.
> 
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>>> holes!)... 
>>
>> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
> 
> Jesus Christ, Chris.
> 
> You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.
> 
> With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.
> 
> *Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
> *over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
> *(no proprietary software needed)*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>
> 
>> Were you lying?
> 
> OMG, Chris!
> Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> 
> Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
> It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.
> 
> So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.
> 
> Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
> *How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
> *over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>

You're lying or really, really stupid...

...or, most likely of all, both!

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#145939

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :

< your snip of relevant information here is noted >

>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>> 
>> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS. 
> 
> WTF?
> 
> These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.
> 
> *How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>
> 
> The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
> Not mine.
> 
> Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
> It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.

Your baseless assertions are not what "everyone knows". 

>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)... 
>> 
>> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
> 
> Jesus Christ, Chris.
> 
> You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.
> 
> With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.
> 
> *Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
> *over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
> *(no proprietary software needed)*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>

Thanks for confirming what is possible despite claiming it is impossible. 

>> Were you lying?
> 
> OMG, Chris!
> Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> 
> Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
> It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.
> 
> So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.
> 
> Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
> *How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
> *over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>
> 

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#145790

On 2024-12-29 07:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 16:31, Nick Cine wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new 
>>>>> charger, it
>>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has 
>>>>> argued.�
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>>> no charger was included
>>>
>>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>>> sockets.
>>
>> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was 
>> finally
>> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their 
>> bondage.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/
> 
> «Apple has gradually added USB-C ports to its other hardware over the 
> past few years. It was the first to put USB-C on a laptop in 2015. Then 
> iPads started the transition from Lightning to USB-C. You can say the 
> iPhone was inevitably going to be next in line, but Apple has been 
> collecting licensing fees from third parties that make accessories 
> utilizing the Lightning port through the company's Made for iPhone (MFi) 
> program. Why lose out on all that cash? Apple's hand was forced by the 
> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets, 
> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the 
> end of 2024.»
> 
> Interoperability :-)
Spare me.

The MFi program isn't even a rounding error in Apple's revenues.

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#145789

On 2024-12-29 07:31, Nick Cine wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>> no charger was included
>>
>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>> sockets.
> 
> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

Oh, get over yourself.

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#145788

On 2024-12-29 03:24, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> 
>>
>> “By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
>>
> 
> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
> no charger was included
> 

I just bought an iPhone 16, and it was the same.

I have something like half a dozen chargers I can use with it, including 
the two-port USB-C charger that came with my M3 MacBook Air.

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#145793

Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> “By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
>> 
> 
> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
> no charger was included

Same with wireless earpods. Didn't come with a charger. 

Nor a Roku media steamer. 

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#145798

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:24:25 +0000, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
> no charger was included
> 

Ditto my Google Pixel 8a, purchased at the end of November. the box 
contained a USB-C cable, and a USB-A (female) to USB-C (male) dongle. 
I have no use for the dongle.

A two-port Anker USB-C charger stays plugged into my UPS, next to a 
two-port Anker USB-A charger for a couple of very old devices.

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#145803

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:24:25 +0000, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> > I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because 
> > no charger was included
> 
> Ditto my Google Pixel 8a, purchased at the end of November. the box 
> contained a USB-C cable, and a USB-A (female) to USB-C (male) dongle. 
> I have no use for the dongle.

  The dongle is probably for being able to connect two phones together
(by means of the correct USB-something to USB-A cable) to transfer all
one's stuff from one's 'old' phone to one's 'new' phone.

  Samsung has its Smart Switch app to do such transfers from most
Android phones to a Samsung phone, which can use the USB dongle+cable
(or Wi-Fi).

  My advice is to keep the USB dongle, it may come in handy one day.

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