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  Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-03 15:00 +0200
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 14:14 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 13:20 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 14:45 +0100
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:22 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-04 04:07 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 05:25 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:19 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:27 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:24 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 02:26 +0100
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-05 06:05 +0000
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-06 14:40 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 08:10 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 13:05 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 13:57 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 14:09 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:14 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 15:21 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:08 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:00 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 17:39 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:29 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:21 +0100
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-04 08:08 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 10:08 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:22 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 09:33 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 09:51 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 19:03 +0000
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 23:27 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:33 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:38 +0200
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:57 +0100
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-06 14:44 +0200
                  Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-06 14:08 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-07 05:59 +0200
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:36 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-10 11:59 -0500
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-10 18:45 +0000
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-10 20:37 +0100
                  Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-07 14:44 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-08 05:12 +0200
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:31 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-05 09:43 +0000
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 17:41 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:31 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 05:51 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:51 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-05 09:49 +0000
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-03 15:57 -0500

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#145147

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>
>>>>>    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>
>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>> clarifications.
>>>>
>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>
>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>
>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>
>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>
>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>> 
>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>> But it said ROM.
>
>I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page 
><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not 
>happen.
>
>> 
>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>
>Link, please.


Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link 
https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/

Says  RAM: 1GB
      ROM: 8GB / 16GB*

Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena.  I don't know who pays
for it or why they have it.  I don't think they're getting rich on their
advertising.   For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena. 

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#145148

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
[...]
> >> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
> >> But it said ROM.
> >
> >I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page 
> ><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not 
> >happen.
> >
> >> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
> >
> >Link, please.
> 
> Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link 
> https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/
> 
> Says  RAM: 1GB
>       ROM: 8GB / 16GB*
> 
> Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena.  I don't know who pays
> for it or why they have it.  I don't think they're getting rich on their
> advertising.   For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena. 

  As I have said before, the phonemore.com page for the Samsung A2 Core
(SM-A260F) indeed says "ROM: 8GB / 16GB*", but it *also* and very
*clearly* says:

"Memory and storage

 RAM memory 		1GB LPDDR3

 Internal storage	16GB (12GB available)
			eMMC 5.1

 External storage	V Until 256GB microSD, microSDXC
			(dedicated slot)"

  So someone who pays a tiny bit of attention, sees that the phone has
16GB of Internal Storage. Never mind incorrect/misleading terms like
"ROM", "flash", etc..

  BTW, Carlos looked at a different site (gsmarena.com instead of
phonemore.com), a different brand (Realme instead of Samsung) and a
totally different category of phone.

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#145149

On 2024-12-10 17:59, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>>
>>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>>> clarifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>>
>>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>>
>>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>>>
>>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>>> But it said ROM.
>>
>> I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
>> happen.
>>
>>>
>>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>>
>> Link, please.
> 
> 
> Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link
> https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/
> 
> Says  RAM: 1GB
>        ROM: 8GB / 16GB*

Right, it does, in the summary

> 
> Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena.  I don't know who pays
> for it or why they have it.  I don't think they're getting rich on their
> advertising.   For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena.

A bit below the summary are the details:

Memory and storage

RAM memory	        1GB LPDDR3
Internal storage	16GB (12GB available)  eMMC 5.1
External storage	Until 256GB microSD, microSDXC (dedicated slot)


So it is not actually ROM.
They do print a lot of details in readable format, which is good.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145028

Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:

[...]
> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
> But it said ROM. 
> 
> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
used to store apps and other data permanently.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#145062

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 14:44:42 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:
>
>[...]
>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>> But it said ROM. 
>> 
>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>
>Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
>don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
>the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
>used to store apps and other data permanently.

But it can lead to misunderstandings -- it certainly did in my case. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144938

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >[...]
> >> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> >> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
> >> 
> >> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> >> hard to believe. 
> >
> >  The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
> >replied to Steve about that mixup.
> 
> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
> clarifications. 
> 
> They refer to RAM and ROM.
> 
> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
> therefore could not be subsequently written to.  

  In this case, ROM is a dumb and incorrect term. It isn't Read-Only
Memory, because it's Internal Storage, so - besides the operating system
and factory-installed apps - is stores additional apps and data. (BTW,
also part which stores the operating system and factory-installed apps
can be written/re-written, so also that part is not 'ROM'.) 

  Some people/sources call it flash-memory, but I think that's a bad
term as well, because it describes the technology, instead of what it
does/is.

  Your new reference (<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>)
says "storage" and "Internal". Those are the normally used terms, i.e.
"Storage" and "Internal Storage".

[...]

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#144931

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> my first phone (Android 4.1.1) did have 4GB Internal Storage,
> with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!

Mine had 0.5GB ram and 0.5GB flash, I bought a 2GB sdcard and used 
custom kernels to move partitions around ...

<https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE?t=184>

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#144829

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in 
news:dovtkj5c00tuoo57g5cgvondj2esr6akdl@4ax.com:

> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
> 
> Specs here:
> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
> 
> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
> 
> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
> 
> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
> 
> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
> 
> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
> storage space than the one I already have.
> 
> What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?
> 
> 

Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single 
nano-SIM with micro-SD.  Very nice camera.  $250 U.S.

https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-a25/buy/galaxy-a25-5g-128gb-
unlocked-sm-a256uzkdxaa/

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#144853

On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in 
>news:dovtkj5c00tuoo57g5cgvondj2esr6akdl@4ax.com:
>
>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
>> 
>> Specs here:
>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>> 
>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
>> 
>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>> 
>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>> 
>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
>> 
>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
>> storage space than the one I already have.
>> 
>> What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?
>> 
>> 
>
>Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single 
>nano-SIM with micro-SD.  Very nice camera.  $250 U.S.
>
>https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-a25/buy/galaxy-a25-5g-128gb-
>unlocked-sm-a256uzkdxaa/

That's about 3x what I can afford. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144866

Steve Hayes wrote:

> Boris wrote:
> 
>> Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single
>> nano-SIM with micro-SD.  Very nice camera.  $250 U.S.
> 
> That's about 3x what I can afford.
It's not good that you have a choice of one phone with 128GB for under 
R1500, I suppose it's better than a choice of zero ...

<https://www.bobshop.co.za/brand-new-mobicel-x9-4gb-128gb-50mp-camera-r1460/p/631201657>

You could get 64GB for about R1000, but I see the weasel words "4GB RAM 
extended" which I think means 2GB of real memory plus 2GB of fake memory?

<https://www.takealot.com/hisense-e34-64gb-lte-dual-sim-black/PLID95955510>

I don't claim to know the equivalent spending power of R vs $ vs £, but 
it seems the real choice begins at R2000

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#144921

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 05:51:23 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Boris wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single
>>> nano-SIM with micro-SD.  Very nice camera.  $250 U.S.
>> 
>> That's about 3x what I can afford.
>It's not good that you have a choice of one phone with 128GB for under 
>R1500, I suppose it's better than a choice of zero ...
>
><https://www.bobshop.co.za/brand-new-mobicel-x9-4gb-128gb-50mp-camera-r1460/p/631201657>
>
>You could get 64GB for about R1000, but I see the weasel words "4GB RAM 
>extended" which I think means 2GB of real memory plus 2GB of fake memory?

The one I mentioned before here:

<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
that means. 

It's R1900, which is about £82.37 or $US104.60

>
><https://www.takealot.com/hisense-e34-64gb-lte-dual-sim-black/PLID95955510>
>
>I don't claim to know the equivalent spending power of R vs $ vs £, but 
>it seems the real choice begins at R2000

-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144932

Steve Hayes wrote:

> The one I mentioned before here:
> 
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>
> 
> is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
> that means.
It's some kind of virtual memory trickery, not sure if it uses 
compression or just pages stuff between ram and flash?

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#144843

On 12/3/2024 8:00 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:

> What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?
> 
   I see that constantly on my local TV news. "Download the app to
get constant weather updates." What they're thinking is that if you
download the app they can spy on you, sell that data, maybe
show you targetted ads. If you just watch TV news they know
nothing about you.

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