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Upgrade and pay more for less

Started bySteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
First post2024-12-03 15:00 +0200
Last post2024-12-03 15:57 -0500
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  Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-03 15:00 +0200
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 14:14 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 13:20 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 14:45 +0100
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:22 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-04 04:07 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 05:25 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:19 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:27 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:24 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 02:26 +0100
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-05 06:05 +0000
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-06 14:40 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-05 08:10 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-04 13:05 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 13:57 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-03 14:09 +0000
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:14 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 15:21 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-03 16:08 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:00 +0100
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 17:39 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:29 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:21 +0100
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-04 08:08 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 10:08 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-04 07:22 +0100
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 09:33 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 09:51 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 19:03 +0000
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 23:27 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:33 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:38 +0200
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:57 +0100
                Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-06 14:44 +0200
                  Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-06 14:08 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-07 05:59 +0200
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:36 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-10 11:59 -0500
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-10 18:45 +0000
                      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-10 20:37 +0100
                  Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-07 14:44 +0100
                    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-08 05:12 +0200
              Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-05 11:31 +0000
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-05 09:43 +0000
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 17:41 +0000
      Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-04 04:31 +0200
        Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-04 05:51 +0000
          Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-12-05 03:51 +0200
            Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-05 09:49 +0000
    Re: Upgrade and pay more for less Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-03 15:57 -0500

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#144836

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-03 20:00 +0100
Message-ID<33142lxmr5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#144820
On 2024-12-03 17:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-03 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>     As to getting a new phone from your "service provider". I would never
>>> do that. I would just buy the phone and have a SIM-only contract or
>>> pre-paid. Or don't you have those options in your country (SA?)?
>>
>> In Canada (Ontario), for instance, this is hard to do. Nearly impossible
>> to buy "free phones", not attached to a contract, at a normal site like
>> the phone section of a supermarket. Amazon sells them.
> 
>    Well, I don't expect unlocked phones at a supermarket, but I expect
> them at a phone store or electronics store. A little Google search
> indicates that that is the case, also in Ontario.

I failed to find them. Very few models.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144827

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-03 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<vinfok$7jat$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144798
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
> 
> Specs here:
> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
> 
> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
> 
> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
> 
> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
> 
> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
> 
> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
> storage space than the one I already have.

How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
(excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end.

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#144852

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2024-12-04 04:29 +0200
Message-ID<ccfvkjptulomgriv3kfahmvv6im7eb1203@4ax.com>
In reply to#144827
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
>> 
>> Specs here:
>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>> 
>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
>> 
>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>> 
>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>> 
>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
>> 
>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
>> storage space than the one I already have.
>
>How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
>(excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
>these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end. 

The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
the 16GB in the phone I have.

 



-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144868

FromJörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date2024-12-04 07:21 +0100
Message-ID<vioscm$cvki$2@solani.org>
In reply to#144852
On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
>>>
>>> Specs here:
>>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>>>
>>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
>>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
>>>
>>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>>>
>>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>>>
>>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
>>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
>>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
>>>
>>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
>>> storage space than the one I already have.
>>
>> How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
>> (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
>> these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end. 
> 
> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> the 16GB in the phone I have.

I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main
storage.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#144872

FromChris Green <cl@isbd.net>
Date2024-12-04 08:08 +0000
Message-ID<d9f52l-qhc3.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu>
In reply to#144868
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
> >>>
> >>> Specs here:
> >>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
> >>>
> >>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
> >>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
> >>>
> >>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
> >>>
> >>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
> >>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
> >>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
> >>>
> >>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
> >>> storage space than the one I already have.
> >>
> >> How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
> >> (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
> >> these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end. 
> > 
> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
> 
> I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main
> storage.
> 
We're not confusing main memory with storage space are we by any chance?

E.g. a current Samsung A15 model has 128Gb of **storage** and 4Gb of
**memory**.  (That's one priced at £149 here in the UK)


-- 
Chris Green
·

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#144873

FromJörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date2024-12-04 10:08 +0100
Message-ID<vip66d$d3o3$1@solani.org>
In reply to#144872
On 04.12.24 09:08, Chris Green wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>
>> I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main
>> storage.
>>
> We're not confusing main memory with storage space are we by any chance?
> 
> E.g. a current Samsung A15 model has 128Gb of **storage** and 4Gb of
> **memory**.  (That's one priced at £149 here in the UK)

I think I don't but perhaps the OP.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#144869

FromJörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date2024-12-04 07:22 +0100
Message-ID<viosft$cvkj$1@solani.org>
In reply to#144852
On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
>>>
>>> Specs here:
>>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>>>
>>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
>>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
>>>
>>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>>>
>>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>>>
>>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
>>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
>>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
>>>
>>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
>>> storage space than the one I already have.
>>
>> How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
>> (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
>> these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end. 
> 
> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> the 16GB in the phone I have.

I suggest that you start the big clean up.
Uninstall all apps you did not use the last 12 months or so.



-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#144874

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-04 09:33 +0000
Message-ID<vip7l6$pika$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144852
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.
>>> 
>>> Specs here:
>>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>>> 
>>> My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
>>> that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less. 
>>> 
>>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>>> 
>>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>>> 
>>> 2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
>>> when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
>>> suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. . 
>>> 
>>> But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
>>> storage space than the one I already have.
>> 
>> How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
>> (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
>> these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end. 
> 
> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> the 16GB in the phone I have.

Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
hard to believe. 

However, if that is true, then you don't have to upgrade if your current
phone works for you.

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#144875

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2024-12-04 09:51 +0000
Message-ID<lran0rFck33U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#144874
Chris wrote:

> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> hard to believe.

<https://www.takealot.com/hisense-u965-2020-8gb-dual-sim-amber/PLID70723788>

<https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-vibe-dual-sim-8gb-vodacom-network-locked-blue/PLID93330140>

<https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-v1-8-1gb-single-sim-blue/PLID92894196>

I guess warehouses shift their new-old-stock to Africa?

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#144895

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<viq84e$11r0g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144875
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> 
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe.
> 
> <https://www.takealot.com/hisense-u965-2020-8gb-dual-sim-amber/PLID70723788>
> 
> <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-vibe-dual-sim-8gb-vodacom-network-locked-blue/PLID93330140>
> 
> <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-v1-8-1gb-single-sim-blue/PLID92894196>
> 
> I guess warehouses shift their new-old-stock to Africa?

How do you know OP is in Africa? I also don't get why they're saying that
the current 8GB models are more expensive than their current 16GB one was.

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#144900

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2024-12-04 19:03 +0000
Message-ID<lrbnbuFhmbkU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#144895
Chris wrote:

> How do you know OP is in Africa?

He's an irregular poster here ...

email addr @telkomsa.net

and contents of .sig

Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.khanya.org.za/

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#144915

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-04 23:27 +0000
Message-ID<viqog6$15np0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144900
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> 
>> How do you know OP is in Africa?
> 
> He's an irregular poster here ...
> 
> email addr @telkomsa.net
> 
> and contents of .sig
> 
> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
> http://www.khanya.org.za/

Ah, I missed the obvious. Clearly I never parse ppls sigs. lol

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#144878

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-04 11:33 +0000
Message-ID<vipi6a.dog.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#144874
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
[...]
> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
> 
> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> hard to believe. 

  The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
replied to Steve about that mixup.

  OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
:-)

[...]

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#144896

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-04 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<viq84g$11r0g$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144878
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> [...]
>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>> 
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe. 
> 
>   The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
> replied to Steve about that mixup.

That's what I suspect too, but Alan has found examples that do exist for
same. 

>   OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
> with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
> :-)

Well yeah, but we're in 2024 now.

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#144920

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2024-12-05 03:38 +0200
Message-ID<ee02ljdq8huk121h0ukiur556c2afojhuu@4ax.com>
In reply to#144878
On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>[...]
>> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
>> 
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe. 
>
>  The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>replied to Steve about that mixup.

The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
clarifications. 

They refer to RAM and ROM.

I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
therefore could not be subsequently written to.  






>
>  OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
>with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
>:-)
>
>[...]

-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144935

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-05 11:57 +0100
Message-ID<bid82lx0q2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#144920
On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>
>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>> hard to believe.
>>
>>   The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
> 
> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
> clarifications.
> 
> They refer to RAM and ROM.
> 
> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
> therefore could not be subsequently written to.

I doubt the adds mention ROM.

The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.

It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

Memory 	Card slot 	microSDXC (dedicated slot)
         Internal 	64GB 3GB RAM, 64GB 4GB RAM, 128GB 4GB RAM, 256GB 4GB RAM
  	еMMC 5.1

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#144986

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2024-12-06 14:44 +0200
Message-ID<87s5ljtnlcb9tnp0tt14g9aebu1uru5qt9@4ax.com>
In reply to#144935
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>> hard to believe.
>>>
>>>   The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>> 
>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>> clarifications.
>> 
>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>> 
>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>
>I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>
>The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>
>It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
But it said ROM. 

For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM



-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#144988

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-06 14:08 +0100
Message-ID<sj9b2lxidn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#144986
On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>
>>>>    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>
>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>> clarifications.
>>>
>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>
>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>
>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>
>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>
>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
> 
> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
> But it said ROM.

I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page 
<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not 
happen.

> 
> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

Link, please.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145017

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2024-12-07 05:59 +0200
Message-ID<urh7ljtdul3bh4j78l7dmmipd37li2cj8r@4ax.com>
In reply to#144988
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>
>>>>>    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>
>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>> clarifications.
>>>>
>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>
>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>
>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>
>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>
>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>> 
>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>> But it said ROM.
>
>I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page 
><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not 
>happen.
>
>> 
>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>
>Link, please.

Can't be arsed.

I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
able to read it anyway because of the poor definition. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#145027

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-07 14:36 +0100
Message-ID<ckvd2lxc9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#145017
On 2024-12-07 04:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>>
>>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>>> clarifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>>
>>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>>
>>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>>>
>>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>>> But it said ROM.
>>
>> I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
>> happen.
>>
>>>
>>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>>
>> Link, please.
> 
> Can't be arsed.
> 
> I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
> it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
> able to read it anyway because of the poor definition.

Ok.

Well, it is very curious. Samsung own page doesn't say how much rom the 
Samsung A05s has, but it says it has 64 GB of storage, and that is the 
flash memory.

<https://www.samsung.com/es/smartphones/galaxy-a/galaxy-a05s-silver-128gb-sm-a057gzsveub/>

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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