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  A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-11-29 14:10 -0800
    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-30 01:11 +0000
      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-11-30 03:56 +0000
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-30 04:22 +0000
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-11-29 21:12 -0800
          Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-11-30 07:57 +0100
          Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-11-30 07:16 +0000
            Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-30 10:57 +0000
          Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-02 09:48 +0100
            Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-02 16:24 +0000
              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-02 17:36 +0000
                Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-02 18:13 +0000
                  Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-02 19:08 +0000
                    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-02 13:35 -0700
                      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-03 06:51 +0000
                        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-03 08:40 -0700
              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-12-02 10:11 -0800
              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-02 23:52 +0100
                Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-12-02 16:42 -0700
    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-11-29 21:32 -0600
      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-11-29 21:35 -0600
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-11-30 08:37 -0600
          Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2024-11-30 13:46 -0500
            Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-11-30 14:55 -0600
              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2024-12-01 17:47 -0500
                Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-01 18:38 -0600
                  Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-02 04:28 +0000
                    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-12-02 08:30 +0000
                      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 17:52 +0000
                        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-12-02 21:24 +0000
                          Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 21:58 +0000
                            Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-12-02 23:15 +0000
                              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-03 02:51 +0000
                                Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> - 2024-12-03 08:02 +0000
                              Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 17:39 +0000
                      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-12-02 10:08 -0800
                        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-02 19:22 +0000
      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-11-29 21:01 -0800
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-11-30 02:14 -0600
    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-11-30 09:36 +0100
    Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-11-30 10:25 +0000
      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-30 11:12 +0000
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-11-30 11:36 +0000
        Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-11-30 19:55 +0100
      Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-11-30 12:41 +0100

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#144678

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing.
>> 
>> Yesterday we were driving to San Francisco from Silicon Valley and I 
>> told my son to get us on the wait list for a popular restaurant.
>> 
>> He tried, but the Yelp wait list app uses geofencing and you can't sign 
>> up on the wait list unless you're within a certain distance from the 
>> restaurant, apparently five miles, and we were about 15 miles away.
>> 
>> My son has an iPhone. I said to him "well on Android..." and he 
>> interrupted me and said, "yes, I know what you're going to say, GPS 
>> location spoofing."
>> 
>> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing 
>> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to 
>> hike "The Wave:" "Two days before desired entry– Apply using your phone 
>> or other mobile device between 6 AM and 6 PM Utah time two days before 
>> the desired entry date on recreation.gov. You must be within the 
>> designated geofenced area to apply."
> 
> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
> able to know your location.
> 
> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
> In the web browser, first disable geolocation.  Can be done in Firefox:
> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.
> 
> I have geolocation disabled in Firefox.  None of a site's business where
> I am until *I* choose to tell them.  Well, they can try using my IP
> address for regional location, but that's often a huge radius, like 50
> miles.
> 
> However, if they cannot manage to finagle your geolocation
> automatically, they may reject you outright.

Oops, Firefox Android took away the about:* pages.  Guess you'll have to
try disabling location services in Android.  For Firefox Android, you
can try to disable location permission: settings -> Site settings ->
Location = Block.

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#144699

Curious is me.  You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not.  Which
what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?  27 are listed at:

 https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps

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#144704

On 30/11/2024, VanguardLH wrote:

> Curious is me.  You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not.  Which
> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?  27 are listed at:
> 
>  https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps

You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.

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#144712

Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> Curious is me.  You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not.  Which
>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?  27 are listed at:
>> 
>>  https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
> 
> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.

Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.

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#144718

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:55:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

>>> Curious is me.  You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not.  Which
>>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?  27 are listed at:
>>> 
>>>  https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
>> 
>> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.
> 
> Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.

It can't be that much of a secret since I saw someone previously mentioned
it in this thread which he said was his search engine app on his phone.

In addition to the search app, someone also suggested in this thread what
the best gps spoofing apps were (which that search app finds for you).

Maybe you don't read all the posts in this thread but that's not my fault
as I shouldn't be required to teach you what you didn't bother to read.

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#144719

Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:55:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>>>> Curious is me.  You weren't posting to ask how to spoof GPS location,
>>>> but posting to announce something Android has but iOS does not.  Which
>>>> what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?  27 are listed at:
>>>> 
>>>>  https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gps%20spoof&c=apps
>>> 
>>> You're using the wrong search engine. Use the app people put on the phone.
>> 
>> Oh, so you're keeping it a secret.
> 
> It can't be that much of a secret since I saw someone previously mentioned
> it in this thread which he said was his search engine app on his phone.
> 
> In addition to the search app, someone also suggested in this thread what
> the best gps spoofing apps were (which that search app finds for you).
> 
> Maybe you don't read all the posts in this thread but that's not my fault
> as I shouldn't be required to teach you what you didn't bother to read.

Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"

That was addressed to sms, not to you, Andrew, and anyone else in this
discussion.  It is unclear from sms remarks if he uses a GPS spoofing
app at all, or merely commented that it's possible on Android as a jibe
against iOS.

Andrew made a list, but does he really use ALL those apps?  No, he just
did a search, and spewed out the search hits.  That doesn't any of them
are good nor indicate which is best.  I already did the "gps" search at
play.google.com, and mentioned that, but I didn't go listing every
search hit.  I was prodding for recommendations.  Just because someone
uses an app doesn't mean they stuck with it, and might've changed to
another one until they found a best choice.  Andrew can publish a large
a lists as he wants that are merely search hits at play.google.com, or
elsewhere (e.g., fdroid.com).  A dictionary doesn't teach how to write.

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#144721

VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :

> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"

I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).

Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.

I know the OP (Steve) well & while he does use Android & iOS daily (just as
I do too), he doesn't know all that much about Android, so you're not
likely to get from Steve which is the best app - but you can try as Steve
is listening so he is welcome to answer your questions for you if I can't.

> That was addressed to sms, not to you, Andrew, and anyone else in this
> discussion.  It is unclear from sms remarks if he uses a GPS spoofing
> app at all, or merely commented that it's possible on Android as a jibe
> against iOS.

Steve is an expert (as am I an expert) in the difference between Android
and iOS, although Steve doesn't know as much as I do about Android
technicalities & I don't know as much as Steve does about iOS intricacies.

Together we know a LOT more than any of the rest of the people here do.
That means any answer from both Steve and from me, is a damn good answer.

Just ask.

> Andrew made a list, but does he really use ALL those apps?  No, he just
> did a search, and spewed out the search hits.  

Please don't guess as your guess is dead wrong. I have tested *every* app
in that list and I reported on them in the past - where in the end, I
settled on Lexa, which does happen to be the most highly rated spoofer app.

 *Fake GPS location by Lexa*
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>

> That doesn't [mean] any of them are good nor indicate which is best.  

If I recommend an app, it's already damn good as I have a zero tolerance
policy for apps that don't do what they're supposed to do, for free.

Without ads.

Lexa isn't perfect but it's good. But it doesn't have all that I want.

What I'd want in a gps spoofing app is more detail about the cellular &
Wi-Fi access point spoofing it does - and I'd want it to snap to roads when
moving and it would be nice if the altitude database wasn't from Google.

> I already did the "gps" search at
> play.google.com, and mentioned that, but I didn't go listing every
> search hit.  I was prodding for recommendations.  Just because someone
> uses an app doesn't mean they stuck with it, and might've changed to
> another one until they found a best choice.  Andrew can publish a large
> a lists as he wants that are merely search hits at play.google.com, or
> elsewhere (e.g., fdroid.com).  

I've said many times that Lexa is the best, but it's a close match since
all the listed apps are free ad free GPS spoofing apps - so the difference
between any two apps comes down to the list of additional features it has.

> A dictionary doesn't teach how to write.

Being an extremely helpful kind-hearted person, I'm going to go a bit out
of my way to help you understand that searching Google Play Store is like
searching the dictionary with your eyes closed and randomly picking apps.

Don't do that.
The Google Play Store search is just about the worst search there is.

Actually, it might even be worse than the Apple App Store search, but
they're both on the same level of absolutely atrocious lack of filters.

Both App Stores just output a list without any useful filtering of it.

When you want meaningful filtering, which you can't get on iOS but you can
get on Android, is why you want to use the free ad free Skyica App Finder.
 <https://skyica.com/appfinder/get/>

It's not an exaggeration there will never be a better search engine in the
history of smart phones than that app, which I helped the developer test.

The search filters are like a UNIX manpage in terms of user control, and
yet, the basic search is a clickbox set of simple suggestions.

In my humble opinion, bearing in mind I know Android better than most
people do, this Skyica App Finder is easily the best app on Android.

Once you use Skyica, you'll never use the Google Play Store search again.
Since you love details, try it and let us know what you think of it. 

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#144727

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
> 
>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
> 
> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
> 
> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
> 
Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
401K  savings.

Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
me overcome this problem.

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#144740

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>> 
>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>> 
>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>> 
>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>> 
> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
> 401K  savings.
> 
> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
> phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
> me overcome this problem.

This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them? 

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#144773

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>> 
>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>> 
>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>> 
>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>> 
>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>> 401K  savings.
>> 
>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>> phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
>> me overcome this problem.
> 
> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them? 
> 
Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
They know about financial ones, mostly.

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#144776

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>> 
>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>> 
>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>> 
>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>> 
>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>> 401K  savings.
>>> 
>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>> phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
>>> me overcome this problem.
>> 
>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them? 
>> 
> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
> They know about financial ones, mostly.

They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket. 

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#144780

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>>> 
>>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
>>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>>> 401K  savings.
>>>> 
>>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>>> phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
>>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>>> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
>>>> me overcome this problem.
>>> 
>>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them? 
>>> 
>> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
>> They know about financial ones, mostly.
> 
> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket. 
> 
This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

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#144788

Cameo wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:15:12 -0000 (UTC) :

>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket. 
>> 
> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
> tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

I do not understand the problem, but I will say on that last topic that
only in Apple's (brilliant) advertising is an iPhone more secure than
Android.

In the real world, the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 

As for getting around geofencing, what I'd suggest is change the IP address
(which is easy to do) and then change the DNS engine (also easy to do), and
then turn off any Wi-Fi scanning (which Google devilishly auto turns on!).

Sometimes when I download apps, I have to spoof the language and other
times I have to spoof the API level & even spoof the phone make & model.

Of course, you also turn on mock location so that you spoof your location.
All that privacy is easy on Android - but impossible with iOS (as usual).

Apple products are only "private" in the (admittedly brilliant) Apple ads.

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#144796

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Cameo wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:15:12 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket. 
>>> 
>> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
>> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
>> tech guy would go against it, For whatever reason, they think the Apple
>> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.
> 
> I do not understand the problem, but I will say on that last topic that
> only in Apple's (brilliant) advertising is an iPhone more secure than
> Android.
> 
> In the real world, the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 
> 
> As for getting around geofencing, what I'd suggest is change the IP address
> (which is easy to do) and then change the DNS engine (also easy to do), and
> then turn off any Wi-Fi scanning (which Google devilishly auto turns on!).
> 
> Sometimes when I download apps, I have to spoof the language and other
> times I have to spoof the API level & even spoof the phone make & model.
> 
> Of course, you also turn on mock location so that you spoof your location.
> All that privacy is easy on Android - but impossible with iOS (as usual).
> 
> Apple products are only "private" in the (admittedly brilliant) Apple ads.
> 
This is too complicated to a recent convert from Android and I am thinking
of buying myself a second phone that would be Android. That would allow me
to use the best apps from either OS.

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#144826

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> VanguardLH wrote on Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:09 -0600 :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Me: "Which what GPS spoofing app do you use on your phone?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can help answer all your questions, VanGuardLH, because not only am I an
>>>>>> extremely helpful person, but I've tested EVERY single free ad free mock
>>>>>> location app there is (and wrote about them on this ng many times).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given I've tested them all, it's likely perhaps that I probably know more
>>>>>> about GPS spoofing than anyone on this newsgroup, so I can help you too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Since you mentioned VanGuardLH here, it provides me an excuse to bring up
>>>>> an annoing geolocation issue regarding the iOS version  in the Vanguard app
>>>>> of the Vanguard Funds investment firm where I keep some of my self-managed
>>>>> 401K  savings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Their app that is virtually identical on Android an iOS, does not allow
>>>>> download to locations outside of US claiming some security concerns.
>>>>> Interestingly though Vanguard allows the app to work anywhere as long as it
>>>>> was downloaded and installed in the US. This restriction does not apply to
>>>>> the Android version. So this means I cannot use the iOS version now because
>>>>> I bought my first iPhone in Hungary and tried to use the app on my iPhone
>>>>> 15. Luckily I can use the app on my old degraded Android phone that I
>>>>> brought with me from the US. But I don’t want to go back to that slow old
>>>>> phone, just for this reason.  What is puzzling is that the iOS app would
>>>>> work here if it was installed in the US before leaving the country.
>>>>> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
>>>>> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
>>>>> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
>>>>> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
>>>>> me overcome this problem.
>>>> 
>>>> This sounds like a Vanguard issue. Have you contacted them? 
>>>> 
>>> Yes, but the guys you get on the phone don’t know much about tech issues.
>>> They know about financial ones, mostly.
>> 
>> They will have a tech team. Raise a support ticket. 
>> 
> This geofencing is a deliberate policy from Vanguard as the message
> indicated when I tried to download the app from the AppStore, so I doubt a
> tech guy would go against it, 

I would be interested to see this security message. 

> For whatever reason, they think the Apple
> platform is not secure for their app, but Android is. Go, figure.

It sounds like a company policy based on ignorance or an error on one of
the platforms. 

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#144741

On 12/2/2024 12:30 AM, Cameo wrote:

<snip>

> I tried to fake my location to my old US residence via SurfShark VPN, but
> the AppStore could not be fooled with that.  Interestingly, the AppStore
> does not have this restriction with a similar FldeIity funds app where I
> also keep part of my 401K savings.  I wish you or somebody else could help
> me overcome this problem.

Can you spoof your iPhone location using the method where it has to 
connect to a computer in order to install the app? 
<https://surfshark.com/blog/how-to-change-location-on-iphone>.

On apps that use geolocation, just a VPN is not sufficient.

But I wonder about Wi-Fi only iPads since Apple forgot to include GPS 
capability. On most Android tablets, even those without cellular 
connectivity, there is still a GPS so apps that require a GPS, like 
offline mapping, will still work.

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#144758

sms wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:08:05 -0800 :

> But I wonder about Wi-Fi only iPads since Apple forgot to include GPS 
> capability. 

I ran an experiment on a Wi-Fi only iPad years ago, and it did mapping
quite well, surprisingly. The current location moved in fits though, as it
figured out, from the local access points, where it was (it snapped to the
road surprisingly well from the Costo at Almaden to the San Jose airport).

> On most Android tablets, even those without cellular 
> connectivity, there is still a GPS so apps that require a GPS, like 
> offline mapping, will still work.

For Android, a decent offline GPS-only map is the free OSMAnd~ app.
 *OsmAnd& Maps & GPS Offline by OsmAnd, In-app purchases
 Free, ad free, 4.5 star, 153K reviews, 10M+ Downloads
 <https://osmand.net/>
 <https://f-droid.org/repo/net.osmand.plus_431203.apk>
 <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/>
 <https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd>

You can download Google Maps offline, which I did for years when it first
came out, but it's so much of a PITA that I don't bother with that anymore.

On Android (and on iOS) one can download and route and show your position
on an offline geoReferenced PDF (all the USA parks & every inch of the USA
except for the military locations has a free georeferenced PDF for that).

Most people use Avenza (iOS/Android) for routing on georeferenced PDFs.
 *Avenza Maps* Offline Mapping by Avenza Systems Inc., In-app purchases
 Free, ad free, 4.6 star, 72.6K reviews, 1M+ Downloads
 <https://www.avenza.com/avenza-maps/>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Avenza>
 <https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id388424049>

But I use Paper Maps (iOS/Android) because it has fewer limitations.
 *Paper Maps* by Abbro Inc, In-app purchases
 Free, ad free, 5K+ Downloads
 <https://www.paper-maps.com/>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.abbro.androidmap>
 <https://apps.apple.com/app/nextmap/id1147385120>

What I use also is a platform-agnostic web site which generates geoPDFs for
any area, such as Caltopo does - as can be shown here for Europe.
 <https://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=40.14529,14.83154&z=5&b=mbt>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.caltopo.android>

With Caltopo, you can plan a route and save it on a georeferenced PDF.
Then you can load that georeferenced PDF & route into any map program.
 <https://www.offline-maps.net/>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.psyberia.offlinemaps>

There's more if you know what you're doing, as I never have any problem
routing offline on either iOS or Android (but I mostly use Android).

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#144681

On 11/29/2024 7:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

<snip>

> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
> able to know your location.

Nope, doesn't work if you disable location.

> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
> In the web browser, first disable geolocation.  Can be done in Firefox:
> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.

Nope, no reservations at this place for breakfast or lunch, just an 
online wait list. "During BRUNCH (THUR-SUN), we offer a live online 
waitlist through Yelp. Check live wait times and join the waitlist 
before you arrive below."

Here's a dialogue about a different restaurant:

"Others have stated you can do it via the Yelp app, *however* they 
require that you be physically located within 5 miles of the restaurant, 
so you can't get on the waitlist if you're too far away!

(Pro tip: there are apps that let your phone believe you're physically 
located somewhere other than where you actually are. ;-) )"

There is actually location spoofing detection software in use in some 
games like Pokemon Go. I think that they compare your IP address to your 
GPS location so the workaround is to also use a VPN.

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#144685

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 11/29/2024 7:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> After disabling location in Android settings, the Yelp app might not be
>> able to know your location.
> 
> Nope, doesn't work if you disable location.
> 
>> Or, instead of using an app (a web-centric interface), use your web
>> browser to connect to the restaurant's web site to make a reservation.
>> In the web browser, first disable geolocation.  Can be done in Firefox:
>> about:config -> geo.enabled = false.
> 
> Nope, no reservations at this place for breakfast or lunch, just an 
> online wait list. "During BRUNCH (THUR-SUN), we offer a live online 
> waitlist through Yelp. Check live wait times and join the waitlist 
> before you arrive below."
> 
> Here's a dialogue about a different restaurant:
> 
> "Others have stated you can do it via the Yelp app, *however* they 
> require that you be physically located within 5 miles of the restaurant, 
> so you can't get on the waitlist if you're too far away!
> 
> (Pro tip: there are apps that let your phone believe you're physically 
> located somewhere other than where you actually are. ;-) )"
> 
> There is actually location spoofing detection software in use in some 
> games like Pokemon Go. I think that they compare your IP address to your 
> GPS location so the workaround is to also use a VPN.

I tried to do a Yelp search for restaurants in a city several hundred
miles away.  I used the filter "Takes reservations".  However, of the
restaurants I looked at, there was no Reservation button or link for me
to test if a reservation would get rejected for me being so far away.
Then I clicked on the links to the restaurants' web sites, and looked at
their reservations.  None refused me looking at reservations, but I
wasn't going to make one since I won't be going there.

My web browser (Firefox) on my desktop has geolocation disabled.  On my
Firefox Android, I have the location permission blocked.  I couldn't
come up with a test case to check if I would get geofenced at Yelp or
the restaurant's web site.

Was it Yelp or the restaurant that geofenced you?  If the restaurant's
web site, maybe if you told me what it was then I could test.  However,
perhaps their geofencing is not applied until you try to actually make a
reservation rather than just visit their reservation page.

I don't have Yelp's app, and won't bother with it.  Most times I find
the web-centric apps offer little more than a web browser to their site.
You just get a different (customized) web browser inside of an app
window.  Maybe the geofencing was enforced by their app.  Since you're
using their app instead of a web browser to visit their site, the app
could still try to get where you are using the Google Geolocation API.

https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geolocation/overview

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#144686

On 29.11.24 23:10, sms wrote:
> This is the second instance I am aware of where GPS location spoofing 
> would be useful. The other is to try to get a two-day advance permit to 
> hike "The Wave:" 

We know that you tend to act antisocially.
To state that publicly is just stupid.

Troll

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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