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  Recommandations for mail-app Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 21:43 +0100
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:01 +0000
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:20 +0100
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:29 +0100
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-29 00:09 +0000
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-29 02:47 +0000
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 11:54 +0100
            Re: Recommandations for mail-app Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-29 13:09 +0000
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-10-28 17:42 -0500
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-10-30 12:30 -0700
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:11 +0000
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-10-30 20:25 -0700
            Re: Recommandations for mail-app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-31 20:48 +0100
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-10-30 19:14 -0400
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-10-30 20:27 -0700
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-28 18:38 -0500
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-28 18:41 -0500
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-10-29 04:09 +0100
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-10-29 11:57 +0100
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2024-10-29 10:26 +0000
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-10-29 13:35 +0000
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-29 13:59 -0500
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-10-30 10:47 +0000
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-30 14:23 +0100
            Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-10-30 09:32 -0400
              Re: Recommandations for mail-app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-30 14:59 +0100
                Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-10-30 19:16 -0400
    Re: Recommandations for mail-app "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-10-29 16:12 +0100
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> - 2024-10-29 15:12 -0600
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2024-10-30 18:00 +1300
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-30 11:41 +0100
          Re: Recommandations for mail-app Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> - 2024-10-30 07:16 -0600
      Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2024-10-30 09:24 +0000
        Re: Recommandations for mail-app Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-10-30 07:19 -0400

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#143904

Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is 
> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the 
> mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple 
> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be 
> free, but free from ads and malware.

  I'm only a light e-mail user on my smartphone (mostly use my laptop)
and use it mainly for checking e-mail while traveling.

  That said, I use:

BlueMail
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.bluemail.mail>

and

K-9 Mail
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9>

  BlueMail is my main app and K-9 Mail is used as a backup.

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#143908

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> BlueMail

_BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_

Before I try it on my Android phone, I wanted to test it on my Windows
desktop PC where it is a UWP (Universal Windows Platform App), not a
Win32 program (https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pmhzvm588p4).  I've
used other e-mail UWP apps on Windows, but found they had no startup
option; i.e., have it load on Windows startup, and after login into a
Windows account.  For example, eM Client's UWP app (not their Win32
program) won't load on startup.  I had to remember to load it.  I did
figure out a way to use its AppID in a command line to add to the
Startup folder, but that was a pain and undocumented versus the app's
own config settings having an auto-startup option.  

For BlueMail's desktop app, I found:

https://bluemail.me/help/disable-autostart/
**On Desktop:** Go to Settings | Global Settings | Advanced Features |
Launch app on system startup

I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
that has it load when I start my Android phone.

While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?


_BlueMail using EWS to access *free* MS account_

Microsoft yanked EWS (Exchange Web Services) access to free MS accounts
(Hotmail, Outlook.com, Live.com).  They required an MS 365 subscription
to get Exchange access (and you used an Exchange-capable client), or you
had to use an MS client (Outlook on desktop or Android) to get EWS
access to a free MS account.  eM Client used to have EWS support for MS
accounts, but got nailed when Microsoft yanked away EWS from free MS
accounts, so they had to change to IMAP for e-mail, and ActiveSync for
calendar and contacts.  

While BlueMail says they support Exchange/EWS, do they still work with
free MS accounts?  MS clients still work with EWS on free MS accounts,
so somehow their server knows you are using an MS client to gain EWS
access.  I doubt the MS server will see BlueMail as an MS client.

Microsoft announced they will discontinue EWS altogether sometime late
2025, so clients using that access protocol will fail, or must be
switched to using IMAP.  They really want the money for an MS 365
subscription.


_BlueMail using Google Mail API_

For Gmail accounts, and when using Gmail clients, they use Google's Mail
API (Google's answer to Microsoft's Exchange).  Claiming support of
Gmail doesn't say if BlueMail is using the Mail API, or just plain old
POP or IMAP that any other e-mail client can use.

"It supports all major email protocols, including IMAP, SMTP, Exchange
ActiveSync, EWS, and POP3" really does not say it support Google's Mail
API (which requires a Google Project whose default quota is okay for
personal use, but not for a client left running all day long issuing
thousands of request commands by thousands of users, and upping the
project's API quota costs money -- except, of course, to Google for its
mail apps).

IMAP PUSH is nice for quicker retrieval of new e-mails, but their Mail
API is faster, and works on e-mail, calendar, and contacts instead of a
frankenjob of IMAP, iCal, and iCard.

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#143915

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > BlueMail
> 
> _BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_
[...]
> I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
> that has it load when I start my Android phone.
> 
> While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
> charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
> got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
> When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?

  I don't know. As I wrote, for me e-mail on my phone is only for
occasional use, checking for e-mail. I don't need/want instant
notification.

  That said, I think it can give instant/quick notification, i.e. "load
automatically", because in 'Account settings' under Notifications, you
can select 'Push Options' 'Direct Push' and 'Period Fetch'  and their
'Notifications Tips' (under three dots in upper right) doesn't say
anything about the need to manually start BlueMail first.

[...]

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#143918

On 2024-10-30 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> BlueMail
>>
>> _BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_
> [...]
>> I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
>> that has it load when I start my Android phone.
>>
>> While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
>> charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
>> got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
>> When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?
> 
>    I don't know. As I wrote, for me e-mail on my phone is only for
> occasional use, checking for e-mail. I don't need/want instant
> notification.

I need email if I want to go to the cinema.

If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email. 
The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup 
in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF, 
when there is one.

I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.

They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can 
print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the 
phone is cheaper and just more convenient.


It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled 
automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143919

On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> I need email if I want to go to the cinema.
> 
> If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email. 
> The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup 
> in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF, 
> when there is one.
> 
> I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.
> 
> They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can 
> print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the 
> phone is cheaper and just more convenient.
> 
> 
> It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled 
> automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.

I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
in particular of the push-function.

My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
turned off deliberately.


-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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#143921

On 2024-10-30 14:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> I need email if I want to go to the cinema.
>>
>> If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
>> The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup
>> in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
>> when there is one.
>>
>> I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.
>>
>> They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
>> print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the
>> phone is cheaper and just more convenient.
>>
>>
>> It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled
>> automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.
> 
> I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
> in particular of the push-function.
> 
> My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
> turned off deliberately.

On the other hand, the gmail app with default settings and a single 
gmail account doesn't seem to impact battery usage. I noticed the 
problem with K-9, with a non google imap account and default settings.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143928

On 30.10.24 09:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-10-30 14:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> I need email if I want to go to the cinema.
>>>
>>> If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
>>> The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup
>>> in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
>>> when there is one.
>>>
>>> I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.
>>>
>>> They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
>>> print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the
>>> phone is cheaper and just more convenient.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled
>>> automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.
>>
>> I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
>> in particular of the push-function.
>>
>> My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
>> turned off deliberately.
> 
> On the other hand, the gmail app with default settings and a single 
> gmail account doesn't seem to impact battery usage. I noticed the 
> problem with K-9, with a non google imap account and default settings.

I did not go into this issue deep enough. I just checked energy
consumption on a per app basis.


-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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#143905

On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:

> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is 
> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the 
> mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple 
> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be 
> free, but free from ads and malware.

Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
for Android though. There's a beta available:

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta>

-- 
s|b

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#143909

W Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:12:40 +0100, s|b napisal:

>> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is 
>> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the 
>> mails anre coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple 
>> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be 
>> free, but free from ads and malware.
> 
> Another happy K-9 Mail user here.

Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?

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#143910

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:12:42 -0600, Charlie wrote:

> Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2

    
K-9 Mail added OAuth2 support back in 2022, over 2 years ago.
<https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/08/k-9-mail-future-thunderbird-for-android-adds-oauth-2-0-support/>


How to STFW:  
 *  DDG:     <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>
 *  Google:  <https://www.google.com/search?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>
 *  Bing:    <https://www.bing.com/search?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>
 
 
-- 
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊️

Some seeking to hide a scape with a cough, render themselves doubly ridiculous.

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#143914

Charlie, 2024-10-29 22:12:

> W Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:12:40 +0100, s|b napisal:
> 
>>> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is 
>>> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the 
>>> mails anre coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple 
>>> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be 
>>> free, but free from ads and malware.
>>
>> Another happy K-9 Mail user here.
> 
> Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?

K-9 does now support OAuth2 even in the regular version. This is one of
the outcomes of the cooperation with Mozilla to provide K-9 also branded
as "Thunderbird for Android".


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143917

On this Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:41:07 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

>> Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?
> 
> K-9 does now support OAuth2 even in the regular version. This is one of
> the outcomes of the cooperation with Mozilla to provide K-9 also branded
> as "Thunderbird for Android".

Thanks. The reason I left K9 in May of 22 was Google (temporarily, it turns
out) insisted all Android MUAs switch to 2FV but at the time, Christian
Ketterer (the main K-9 developer) didn't have the resources alone. 

So cketti worked with Mozilla developers to find an OAuth solution by the 8
of July when most other MUAs were still scrambling to recover.

It seems the Thunderbird team assisted the K-9 team in implementing the
OAUth2 magic strings. That effort was apparently the major impetus to have
Christian join Mozilla since Google can kill any small MUA outfit in a
flash.

When it happened, I didn't feel like switching back so I forgot about this. 
Thanks for reminding me.

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#143912

On 29/10/2024 15:12, s|b wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:
> 
>> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
>> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
>> mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
>> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
>> free, but free from ads and malware.
> 
> Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
> for Android though. There's a beta available:
> 
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta>
> 
And it's working fine for me - so far :)

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#143916

On 30.10.24 05:24, Jim the Geordie wrote:
> On 29/10/2024 15:12, s|b wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:
>>
>>> My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
>>> unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
>>> mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
>>> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
>>> free, but free from ads and malware.
>>
>> Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
>> for Android though. There's a beta available:
>>
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta>
>>
> And it's working fine for me - so far :)

It is 99% K-9.


-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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