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  NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-25 22:42 +0200
    Re: NFS from Android Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 00:14 +0000
    Re: NFS from Android "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-26 03:08 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-10-26 08:23 +0100
        Re: NFS from Android "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-26 15:50 +0200
          Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:16 +0200
            Re: NFS from Android "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-26 21:34 +0200
          Re: NFS from Android Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-10-26 22:04 +0100
        Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:14 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-26 13:38 +0200
        Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:21 +0200
          Re: NFS from Android Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 15:04 +0000
            Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 17:41 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:07 +0200
    Re: NFS from Android Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-26 13:34 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-26 13:43 +0200
        Re: NFS from Android Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 16:25 +0200
          Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:42 +0200
          Re: NFS from Android Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-28 01:36 +0100
      Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:30 +0200
        Re: NFS from Android Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-28 01:40 +0100
    Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 16:43 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-26 21:40 +0200
        Re: NFS from Android AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-10-26 16:20 -0700
          Re: NFS from Android "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-27 03:14 +0100
            Re: NFS from Android AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-10-29 02:41 +0000
    Re: NFS from Android Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 17:06 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 17:38 +0200
        Re: NFS from Android Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 21:38 +0000
          Re: NFS from Android Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 01:50 +0200
    Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-26 17:33 +0200
      Re: NFS from Android Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 21:48 +0000
        Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-10-27 18:34 +0100
          Re: NFS from Android Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-10-27 18:23 +0000
          Re: NFS from Android Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-10-30 09:40 +0200
            Re: NFS from Android Massimo Peca <massimo@esatto.com> - 2024-11-01 16:42 +0100

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#143817 — NFS from Android

Hello, everyone,
why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
disks on my Android tablet?

Grazie. Ciao
Massimo

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#143819

Massimo Peca wrote on Fri, 25 Oct 2024 22:42:11 +0200 :

> Hello, everyone,
> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
> disks on my Android tablet?

I do not know why nor even how, but one possible suggestion is that all
Android phones (even those which are not rooted) can concurrently run any
desired Linux distro - for free - using the Andronix open source tools.

 *Andronix* - Linux on Android, by Devriz Technologies
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=studio.com.techriz.andronix>
  <https://github.com/AndronixApp>
  <https://andronix.app/>

If you know how to mount the disks on your chosen Linux distro, that might
solve your problem. If it does solve the problem, please let us know.

Good luck.

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#143820

On 2024-10-25 22:42, Massimo Peca wrote:
> Hello, everyone,
> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
> disks on my Android tablet?

https://www.hallergard.com/Blog/NFS_Android.html

?



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143824

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:

> On 2024-10-25 22:42, Massimo Peca wrote:
>> Hello, everyone,
>> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
>> disks on my Android tablet?
> 
> https://www.hallergard.com/Blog/NFS_Android.html
> 
> ?

Yes, I have VLC and that has NFS as a network connection method.
 There may be file managers that will do it. Or maybe not - most
 folk probably want to connect to a Win machine and are happy with
 SMB. Look on RPi forums.

Googling, I found a few sketchy blogs, mainly old, about
 connecting a drive _outside_ an app, using busybox for example.
 But as you expect you need root access. And connecting it
 automatically requires some cunning scripting. So - not easy -
 and probably doesn't work any more. 
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#143834

On 2024-10-26 09:23, Dave Royal wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
>> On 2024-10-25 22:42, Massimo Peca wrote:
>>> Hello, everyone,
>>> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard
>>> disks on my Android tablet?
>>
>> https://www.hallergard.com/Blog/NFS_Android.html
>>
>> ?
> 
> Yes, I have VLC and that has NFS as a network connection method.
>   There may be file managers that will do it. Or maybe not - most
>   folk probably want to connect to a Win machine and are happy with
>   SMB. Look on RPi forums.

Some file browsers have an FTP client. Or SFTP. I just looked at Ghost 
Commander, no NFS.

> 
> Googling, I found a few sketchy blogs, mainly old, about
>   connecting a drive _outside_ an app, using busybox for example.
>   But as you expect you need root access. And connecting it
>   automatically requires some cunning scripting. So - not easy -
>   and probably doesn't work any more.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143839

Il 26/10/24 15:50, Carlos E.R. ha scritto:
...
> Some file browsers have an FTP client. Or SFTP. I just looked at Ghost 
> Commander, no NFS.
Thank you,
I would not want to install FTP/SFTP on the Linux server as well.

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#143856

On 2024-10-26 16:16, Massimo Peca wrote:
> Il 26/10/24 15:50, Carlos E.R. ha scritto:
> ...
>> Some file browsers have an FTP client. Or SFTP. I just looked at Ghost 
>> Commander, no NFS.
> Thank you,
> I would not want to install FTP/SFTP on the Linux server as well.

You very probably already have sftp: it runs over ssh, not ftp. FTPS 
needs installation, different protocol.

I am assuming that most distros install the ssh daemon, at worst you 
only need to enable it.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143858

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:

> On 2024-10-26 09:23, Dave Royal wrote:
>>
>>   There may be file managers that will do it. Or maybe not - most
>>   folk probably want to connect to a Win machine and are happy with
>>   SMB. Look on RPi forums.
> 
> Some file browsers have an FTP client. Or SFTP. I just looked at Ghost 
> Commander, no NFS.

fwiw I have an iOS file manager that will handle NFS. Ironically,
 initally it asks whether you want to set up a network connection
 with Windows, MacOS, or Linux - and if you tap 'Linux' it offers
 you SMB. 

Perhaps it's because, on iOS, apps tend to cost a few quid, so an
 app like that tends to offer as many featured as possible to
 atract buyers. 
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#143838

Il 26/10/24 09:23, Dave Royal ha scritto:
...
> Yes, I have VLC and that has NFS as a network connection method.
>   There may be file managers that will do it. Or maybe not - most
>   folk probably want to connect to a Win machine and are happy with
>   SMB. Look on RPi forums.
Thank you,
my main purpose is to view and edit, remotely, the photo files (RAW) I 
have on my Linux computer (Debian), so VLC is not needed.
I also looked for file managers that read NFS disks or partitions, but 
couldn't find any. The one ste I like best is x-plore. I wrote to the 
author, but he says it doesn't do that.
At most they use Samba (SMB), precisely because Windows is more popular 
than Linux.

Massimo

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#143831

Carlos E.R., 2024-10-26 03:08:

> On 2024-10-25 22:42, Massimo Peca wrote:
>> Hello, everyone,
>> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
>> disks on my Android tablet?
> 
> https://www.hallergard.com/Blog/NFS_Android.html

This is *not* about "mount NFS on Android" but only about these specific
apps. In this case VLC and KODI also support using NFS to access files.
But that's it - there is Document Storage Framework provider for NFS
this way, only within these two apps you can use a NFS share as source too.

And also keep in mind, that you can *not* mount anything in Android like
in Linux. There is no fstab to be editable by the user and apps also
don't have access to the filesystem but only to the Document Storage
Framework or to very limited folders on SD cards or the respective
internal storage in devices which don't support SD cards at all.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143840

Il 26/10/24 13:38, Arno Welzel ha scritto:

> 
> This is *not* about "mount NFS on Android" but only about these specific
> apps. In this case VLC and KODI also support using NFS to access files.
> But that's it - there is Document Storage Framework provider for NFS
> this way, only within these two apps you can use a NFS share as source too.
> 
> And also keep in mind, that you can *not* mount anything in Android like
> in Linux. There is no fstab to be editable by the user and apps also
> don't have access to the filesystem but only to the Document Storage
> Framework or to very limited folders on SD cards or the respective
> internal storage in devices which don't support SD cards at all.
> 
> 

I got it, thank you.
So, would it be enough to have a file manager that reads an NFS 
partition, and then open the files that I'm interested in?
I haven't found any, though.

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#143847

Massimo Peca wrote on Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:21:30 +0200 :

> So, would it be enough to have a file manager that reads an NFS 
> partition, and then open the files that I'm interested in?
> I haven't found any, though.

I ran a search in Skyica App Finder for free & ad free apps which support
"NFS" and it found a few - but I have no idea if they will work for you.

 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skyjos.apps.fileexplorerfree>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fregie.pho>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.serversultimate.packb>

The caveat is I know nothing about these apps other than they mention that
they support NFS and that they're free and ad free (which is all I use).

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#143853

Il 26/10/24 17:04, Andrews ha scritto:
> Massimo Peca wrote on Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:21:30 +0200 :
> 
>> So, would it be enough to have a file manager that reads an NFS ...).


Thank you!!!
I will do some testing.

PS: as I expected, newsgroups are far from an outdated method of 
collaborating and exchanging opinions on the Internet.
He's over 60 years old, but he doesn't look it.

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#143837

Il 26/10/24 03:08, Carlos E.R. ha scritto:
...
> https://www.hallergard.com/Blog/NFS_Android.html

Thanks
Massimo

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#143830

Massimo Peca, 2024-10-25 22:42:

> Hello, everyone,
> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
> disks on my Android tablet?

Because there are not many people trying this. NFS is not the first
choice when it comes to sharing folders for other devices which are not
the typical Linux boxes. Yes, Android uses a Linux kernel - but it
should not be mistaken as "Linux system".


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143832

Arno Welzel, 2024-10-26 13:34:

> Massimo Peca, 2024-10-25 22:42:
> 
>> Hello, everyone,
>> why can't I find a guide on how to mount my Linux server's NFS hard 
>> disks on my Android tablet?
> 
> Because there are not many people trying this. NFS is not the first
> choice when it comes to sharing folders for other devices which are not
> the typical Linux boxes. Yes, Android uses a Linux kernel - but it
> should not be mistaken as "Linux system".

P.S.: also keep in mind, that Android can *not* mount things like Linux
does.

An app can not create new mountpoints and there is no fstab you can
easily edit. First of all, there is no root access, which would be
required to run "mount" or edit /etc/fstab.

Furthermore apps can only use a very limited number of folders for
direct file access - and only, if allowed to do so. The preferred way
for apps is using the Storage Access Framework. This framework allows
additional providers to store file also on external servers like Google
Drive, Dropbox etc. - but for this to work, there must be a storage
provider installed which adds additional storage locations for apps. For
example when you set up Google Drive or Nextcloud, you will see your
Google Drive account or the configured Nextcloud account as a possible
storage location to load and save files. In the same way an app *could*
also provide access to NFS - however I am not aware of any NFS storage
provider for Android and I doubt that there will ever be one, since NFS
is mostly unknown outside the world of Linux servers.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143841

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> ha scritto:
> .... In the same way an app *could*
> also provide access to NFS - however I am not aware of any NFS storage
> provider for Android and I doubt that there will ever be one, since NFS
> is mostly unknown outside the world of Linux servers.
> 
I guess the OP was going to set up his own NFS local network...
 Not looking for a provider. IMHO
Anyway, Amaze (file manager) comes with a couple of interesting
 options, ftp server and wifi p2p, but no NFS.
Material Files (another well reputated file manager) can manage
 ftp servers but again no NFS.  
VLC seems to be the only NFS client available but it's not a file
 manager. 
Maybe he could use VLC for multimedia via NFS and Amaze for other
 files via ftp.

-- 
Qihe

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#143844

Il 26/10/24 16:25, Qihe ha scritto:
...
> I guess the OP was going to set up his own NFS local network...
>   Not looking for a provider. IMHO
correct

> Anyway, Amaze (file manager) comes with a couple of interesting
>   options, ftp server and wifi p2p, but no NFS.
> Material Files (another well reputated file manager) can manage
>   ftp servers but again no NFS.
Confirmation. I cannot find any file manager that can read NFS. Is this 
just a business or technical choice? If they access FTP, SMB, why not 
NFS as well?

> VLC seems to be the only NFS client available but it's not a file
>   manager.
> Maybe he could use VLC for multimedia via NFS and Amaze for other
>   files via ftp.
> 
VLC not good for me. I need to edit RAW, PNG, JPEG files etc... remotely 
and for Android there are many tools.
And don't tell me to use a laptop........ I did.

Massimo

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#143879

Qihe, 2024-10-26 16:25:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> ha scritto:
>> .... In the same way an app *could*
>> also provide access to NFS - however I am not aware of any NFS storage
>> provider for Android and I doubt that there will ever be one, since NFS
>> is mostly unknown outside the world of Linux servers.
>>
> I guess the OP was going to set up his own NFS local network...
>  Not looking for a provider. IMHO

In the context I explained, "provider" means an *app* for Android which
acts as a software provider for the Android Storage Access Framework, so
*any* other app which supports the SAF can use NFS as well then.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143843

Il 26/10/24 13:34, Arno Welzel ha scritto:

> 
> Because there are not many people trying this. NFS is not the first
> choice when it comes to sharing folders for other devices which are not
> the typical Linux boxes. Yes, Android uses a Linux kernel - but it
> should not be mistaken as "Linux system".
> 
> 


Thank you for your contribution.
Still, I don't think I am the only one in the world who uses an Android 
tablet/smartphone and a Linux local area network at home.
NFS is the most popular sharing protocol in the Linux environment, so I 
would find it normal if it were accessible from other operating systems 
as well, as you can do with Microsoft Windows.
I don't see Android being any less widespread than Windows.
It seems to me to be an unwise business and technical choice.

Massimo

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