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| Started by | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| First post | 2024-09-06 21:22 +0100 |
| Last post | 2024-09-21 14:28 +0100 |
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whatsapp interoperability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-06 21:22 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-06 20:59 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-08 17:02 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-07 22:33 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-07 21:39 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-09 20:37 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-09-10 14:35 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-10 17:47 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-10 15:58 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-10 18:36 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-10 18:21 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-11 18:07 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-11 18:49 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-14 17:43 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-14 20:50 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-19 11:36 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-19 21:32 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-19 20:47 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-20 13:07 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-20 14:30 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-20 20:25 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-20 21:42 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-20 22:38 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-21 09:39 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-09-21 12:24 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-21 15:02 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:27 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-09-21 18:03 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-21 09:39 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-21 13:39 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-21 15:23 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-09-21 18:04 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 22:53 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 13:21 +0000
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-19 10:44 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-12 13:11 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-12 16:24 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-14 17:44 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-15 15:56 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-19 11:31 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-19 21:35 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-19 23:05 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-11 11:15 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-11 18:13 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-11 18:55 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-11 20:41 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-12 06:43 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-11 20:26 +0100
Re: whatsapp interoperability "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-14 17:48 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-19 11:38 +0200
Re: whatsapp interoperability Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-09-21 14:28 +0100
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-06 21:22 +0100 |
| Subject | whatsapp interoperability |
| Message-ID | <lk16jsFrc4qU3@mid.individual.net> |
Meta have given a update on how they will allow other messaging apps to communicate with whatsapp/messenger users ... <https://about.fb.com/news/2024/09/an-update-on-how-were-building-safe-and-secure-third-party-chats-for-users-in-europe/>
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-06 20:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vbfqfv$2frd$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #143306 |
Andy Burns wrote on Fri, 6 Sep 2024 21:22:19 +0100 : > Meta have given a update on how they will allow other messaging apps to > communicate with whatsapp/messenger users ... > > <https://about.fb.com/news/2024/09/an-update-on-how-were-building-safe-and-secure-third-party-chats-for-users-in-europe/> I use WhatsApp to communicate with the kids in Germany, while I have to use Google Voice to communicate with their respective German adults. Given your helpful information above, that means the kids & I will get... 1. Notifications when people try to communicate with me 2. Combined or separate inboxes being my choice 3. Rich-messaging features such as reactions, direct replies, typing indicators, and read receipts 4. With later inclusion of rich-messaging features such as the option to create groups and voice & video calling Is that a good summary of the article's content? If so, anyone know if that applies to both Android & to iOS? (it probably does, but Apple has a habit of including useful things only when and particularly only where they are mandated). With the above caveat in place that Apple allows interoperability only after kicking and screaming, and even then, only to the letter of the law and no more... how does what WhatsApp is doing compare with basic RCS?
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-08 17:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lk604kFij73U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143307 |
Andrew wrote: > Given your helpful information above, that means the kids & I will get... > 1. Notifications when people try to communicate with me > 2. Combined or separate inboxes being my choice > 3. Rich-messaging features such as reactions, direct replies, > typing indicators, and read receipts > 4. With later inclusion of rich-messaging features such as > the option to create groups and voice & video calling > > Is that a good summary of the article's content? Seems to be, plus there's a choice on the WhatsApp end to enable 3rd party messengers per service ... not exactly what s|b wants, but might get it in reciprocal fashion? > If so, anyone know if that applies to both Android & to iOS? > (it probably does, but Apple has a habit of including useful > things only when and particularly only where they are mandated). Does it apply outside the EU?
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-07 22:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lk3rldF97p4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143306 |
On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 21:22:19 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > Meta have given a update on how they will allow other messaging apps to > communicate with whatsapp/messenger users ... I sure hope there will be a choice in Signal so I can block third party messengers. -- s|b
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-07 21:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lk3rvcF85pkU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143310 |
s|b wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >> Meta have given a update on how they will allow other messaging apps to >> communicate with whatsapp/messenger users ... > > I sure hope there will be a choice in Signal so I can block third party > messengers. I'm not sure Signal or Telegram want to play, didn't they say they'd rather GTFO the EU if they were forced to?
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-09 20:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lk8tjgF2385U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143311 |
On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:39:08 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > I'm not sure Signal or Telegram want to play, didn't they say they'd > rather GTFO the EU if they were forced to? I did some searching and Signal indeed stated they won't do it. It seems the DMA was only meant for Meta (WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger). At least that's how it seems to me. Signal has a problem with it since Meta won't let Signal have a look at their encryption while Signal's is open source. I also remember the UK wanting to implement something and Signal's reaction was that they would leave the UK. But the EU is pushing to create some law, so they can scan messenger apps, supposedly for "kiddie pr0n", but that's just BS. -- s|b
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-10 14:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <36f0ejtie34qud3ldou260iibe376vb09s@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #143328 |
On Mon, 09 Sep 2024 20:37:40 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:39:08 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > >> I'm not sure Signal or Telegram want to play, didn't they say they'd >> rather GTFO the EU if they were forced to? > >I did some searching and Signal indeed stated they won't do it. It seems >the DMA was only meant for Meta (WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger). At >least that's how it seems to me. Signal has a problem with it since Meta >won't let Signal have a look at their encryption while Signal's is open >source. I've been using Signal, but it seems everyone else I know, except my immediate family, uses WhatsApp. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-10 17:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lkb807Fcnt4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143340 |
On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 14:35:17 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > I've been using Signal, but it seems everyone else I know, except my > immediate family, uses WhatsApp. I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. My most important contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. -- s|b
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-10 15:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vbpqbe$5oa$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #143342 |
s|b wrote on Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:47:18 +0200 : >> I've been using Signal, but it seems everyone else I know, except my >> immediate family, uses WhatsApp. > > I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message > to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. My most important > contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using > Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. I tried Signal, but nobody else did, whereas everyone is on MMS/SMS here. Since I'm in the USA where unlimited everything is ubiquitous for a single price per month, I use "normal" messaging apps (e.g., PulsSMS) for SMS/MMS. However, I have to keep WhatsApp around, even as I use the separate non-META WhatsApp dialer to keep my contact list out of META's grubby paws. As with others, I too would love to drop WhatsApp but everyone I communicate with in Germany uses it who is young (their elders use POTS). When/if the major messaging players have interoperability, things will be better in that anyone should be able to communicate with anyone else with the basic features of secure communications & large message size.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-10 18:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vbpsin$2i5h$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #143343 |
On 10.09.24 17:58, Andrew wrote: > s|b wrote on Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:47:18 +0200 : > >>> I've been using Signal, but it seems everyone else I know, except my >>> immediate family, uses WhatsApp. >> >> I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message >> to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. My most important >> contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using >> Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. > > I tried Signal, but nobody else did, whereas everyone is on MMS/SMS here. > > Since I'm in the USA where unlimited everything is ubiquitous for a single > price per month, I use "normal" messaging apps (e.g., PulsSMS) for SMS/MMS. No one outside of the USA is using such primitive stuff for private communication. -- "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-10 18:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vbprmb$2i5i$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #143342 |
On 10.09.24 17:47, s|b wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 14:35:17 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > >> I've been using Signal, but it seems everyone else I know, except my >> immediate family, uses WhatsApp. > > I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message > to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. That is why nobody switched. > My most important > contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using > Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. Did ever someone do up to now? And who cares? WhatsApp is for housewives and adolescents. -- "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-11 18:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lkdtifFp1taU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143344 |
On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 18:21:31 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > > I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message > > to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. > That is why nobody switched. They didn't switch because they don't know Signal and they don't want 2 messengers. > > My most important > > contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using > > Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. > Did ever someone do up to now? And who cares? Yes, they did. Some of my contacts have been using SMS since they can't reach me on WA anymore. -- s|b
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-11 18:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vbshnf$42eh$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #143348 |
On 11.09.24 18:07, s|b wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 18:21:31 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > >>> I was using both, but finally decided to drop WhatsApp. I sent a message >>> to several people... nobody switched. I don't care. > >> That is why nobody switched. > > They didn't switch because they don't know Signal and they don't want 2 > messengers. Aren't you important enough for them? Or they not important enough for you to use WA? >>> My most important >>> contacts (mother, sister, a couple of friends) were already using >>> Signal. Non Signal users can text me through old school SMS. > >> Did ever someone do up to now? And who cares? > > Yes, they did. Some of my contacts have been using SMS since they can't > reach me on WA anymore. As a consequence they use 2 messengers. What a pile of contradictions! BTW: I dropped WA years ago as well. I told everybody important to me and gave them the channels to reach me. In total I operate 5 messengers. It is so easy. No one should ever have an excuse not to be able to reach me. -- "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lklp9tFgepU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143350 |
On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:49:51 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > Aren't you important enough for them? Or they not important enough for > you to use WA? Wat de boer niet kent, dat eet hij niet. (What the uneducated person doesn't know, he won't eat.) They're just afraid of the unknown... and lazy. My mother is alsmost 74. She's got an iPhone with WA /and/ Signal. > As a consequence they use 2 messengers. > > What a pile of contradictions! True. But SMS is something they know, it comes with their phone. > BTW: I dropped WA years ago as well. I told everybody important to me > and gave them the channels to reach me. In total I operate 5 messengers. > It is so easy. No one should ever have an excuse not to be able to reach me. Adding Signal next to WA isn't difficult at all. I send them the URL, but still they won't install it. -- s|b
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rg2hrkxgn3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #143369 |
On 2024-09-14 17:43, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:49:51 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> BTW: I dropped WA years ago as well. I told everybody important to me >> and gave them the channels to reach me. In total I operate 5 messengers. >> It is so easy. No one should ever have an excuse not to be able to reach me. > > Adding Signal next to WA isn't difficult at all. I send them the URL, > but still they won't install it. I have them all installed (except Threema), but nobody in my circle uses anything except whatsapp. And some SMS from businesses. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 11:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vcgrbm$c7vd$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #143372 |
On 14.09.24 20:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2024-09-14 17:43, s|b wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:49:51 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > > >>> BTW: I dropped WA years ago as well. I told everybody important to me >>> and gave them the channels to reach me. In total I operate 5 messengers. >>> It is so easy. No one should ever have an excuse not to be able to reach me. >> >> Adding Signal next to WA isn't difficult at all. I send them the URL, >> but still they won't install it. > > I have them all installed (except Threema), but nobody in my circle uses > anything except whatsapp. And some SMS from businesses. I gave up WA many years ago on my iPhone and I'm not missing anything and I can easily communicate with everybody having a smartphone. And it has a reason why someone is using Signal and not WA. For Signal and other providers like Telegram, Threema and even iMsg interoperability would mean instant suicide. Why should anyone use them instead of the "original"? In this case the authorities are undermining competition instead of promoting it. WA is rather for housewives and adolescent people. *SCNR* -- "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 21:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <9raurkxs9c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #143402 |
On 2024-09-19 11:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > On 14.09.24 20:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2024-09-14 17:43, s|b wrote: >>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:49:51 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> >> >>>> BTW: I dropped WA years ago as well. I told everybody important to me >>>> and gave them the channels to reach me. In total I operate 5 messengers. >>>> It is so easy. No one should ever have an excuse not to be able to reach me. >>> >>> Adding Signal next to WA isn't difficult at all. I send them the URL, >>> but still they won't install it. >> >> I have them all installed (except Threema), but nobody in my circle uses >> anything except whatsapp. And some SMS from businesses. > > I gave up WA many years ago on my iPhone and I'm not missing anything > and I can easily communicate with everybody having a smartphone. > > And it has a reason why someone is using Signal and not WA. You live in a different country than me. Here, if I need to call a plumber to fix a broken tap, he asks me to send a photo via wasap. You can not live without having and using wasap. My bank manager this morning sent me her profesional contact info, on wasap. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-19 20:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ll3de3F45tnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143413 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > You live in a different country than me. Here, if I need to call a > plumber to fix a broken tap, he asks me to send a photo via wasap. You > can not live without having and using wasap. My bank manager this > morning sent me her profesional contact info, on wasap. Thankfully, it's not yet become "semi-obligatory" here ...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-20 13:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8l10skxt2m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #143416 |
On 2024-09-19 21:47, Andy Burns wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You live in a different country than me. Here, if I need to call a >> plumber to fix a broken tap, he asks me to send a photo via wasap. You >> can not live without having and using wasap. My bank manager this >> morning sent me her profesional contact info, on wasap. > > Thankfully, it's not yet become "semi-obligatory" here ... It is not obligatory here either, it is just the de-facto standard because it is so popular. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-20 14:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vcjpsn$gags$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #143416 |
On 19.09.24 21:47, Andy Burns wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You live in a different country than me. Here, if I need to call a >> plumber to fix a broken tap, he asks me to send a photo via wasap. You >> can not live without having and using wasap. My bank manager this >> morning sent me her profesional contact info, on wasap. > > Thankfully, it's not yet become "semi-obligatory" here ... It isn't anywhere. -- "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
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