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  Move Service to New Phone (?) croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2024-09-03 14:00 -0700
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-03 22:02 +0000
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-09-03 20:24 -0400
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-04 05:01 +0000
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:12 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-09-04 13:10 -0400
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 03:57 +0200
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:13 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-09-04 01:48 -0400
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 13:18 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-04 22:04 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-09-04 13:18 -0700
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-09 20:39 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-08 11:25 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-08 14:55 +0200
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-04 21:57 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-08 14:57 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-09-08 15:54 +0000
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-08 17:11 +0000
              Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-09-08 13:58 -0700
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-09 20:29 +0200
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-09 21:06 +0200
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-03 22:22 -0500
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-09-04 06:05 +0100
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 13:24 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-04 10:42 -0500
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 19:53 +0200
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-05 08:42 +0000
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:08 +0200

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#143273 — Move Service to New Phone (?)

If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

-- 
croy
 

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#143274

croy wrote on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700 :

> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

I do it all the time, where I even pop the same SD Card into the new phone
and bring over they EXACT same app homescreen (every folder in the same
place, every app icon in the same place in every folder, etc.).

However... 

It depends on a lot of things, such as an unlocked phone, the carrier
allowing it, prior setup (e.g., using a launcher with backup & formatting
the sdcard with a consistent name such as 0000-0001 or whatever, etc.).

For example... 

I received a Samsung Galaxy A32-5G from T-Mobile, which I broke about a
year later and they replaced it for free and then I broke the next one and
they replaced that for free - and each time - I just popped the SIM card
and SD card out and popped it into the new phone & everything worked fine.

All this *without* using the Internet (aka cloud) to move data back &
forth; but it takes a bit of intelligent setup to accomplish it so easily.

The first time I did it, for example, the shorcuts I had made didn't carry
over; but then I learned what the problem was and fixed that for the 2nd.

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#143275

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
<croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

>If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
have it surpressed again.  I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
which apps will be sending them.  


What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to? 

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#143279

micky wrote on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 20:24:12 -0400 :

> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?

I make extensive use of shortcuts, e.g., I have an entire folder of them in
my dock, which bring up "activities" (which are pages inside of apps).

For example, I might have an app that, five levels deep perhaps, has an
"activity" (aka, a page) that I want to bring up. I make a shortcut to it.

Then, when I want to bring up that activity (aka, page inside an app), I
just tap the shortcut in my dock and up comes that activity in one tap.

Instead of five taps.

Back to the topic, the first time I set up my replacement Android phone, I
brought everything over without using the Internet (or USB cables),
including the exact same home screen, with the exact same folders, and the
exact same apps (and shortcuts!) inside that folder.

But, that first time, the shortcuts didn't work on the replacement phone.

Hence, on the next replacement phone, I learned how to bring even the
custom shortcuts over.

Pretty much, without the Internet, and without fancy tools, if you know how
Android works, everything ports over to the new phone exactly as it was on
the old. Even the sd card comes over if you're smart enough to format it
with a consistent name (aka volume label) such as "0000-0001".

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#143282

Am 04.09.24 um 02:24 schrieb micky:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
> <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
> 
> My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
> have it surpressed again.  I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
> having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
> which apps will be sending them.
> 
> 
> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?

Are you getting senile? You have absolutely no clue how to correctly 
answer questions or reply at all that your postings are in the correct 
place in the tree. It is bizarre because I killfiled Andrew alias Arlen 
and do not see his postings.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#143293

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:12:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>Am 04.09.24 um 02:24 schrieb micky:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
>> <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>> 
>> My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
>> have it surpressed again.  I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
>> having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
>> which apps will be sending them.
>> 
>> 
>> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?
>
>Are you getting senile? You have absolutely no clue how to correctly 
>answer questions or reply at all that your postings are in the correct 
>place in the tree. It is bizarre because I killfiled Andrew alias Arlen 
>and do not see his postings.

People oftens recommend therapy for cases like yours. I don't know how
often it works, so please ask your family to hide any knives and guns
you might get your hands on. 

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#143276

On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work, 
but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos, 
etc) has to be copied as well.

Motorola has a procedure for this. The new phone will guide you. Better 
if you have an USB-C to USB-C cable to connect both phones. And also 
better if you have a working backup.

Details vary.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143283

Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
> 
> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
> etc) has to be copied as well.

Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
Google account.



-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#143284

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>> 
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
> 
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
> Google account.

Assuming he has a Google account in the first place, how does that
accomplish the task of unlocking the network if the phone is locked?

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#143289

On 2024-09-04 07:13, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a 
>>> Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
> 
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
> Google account.

That was in the next paragraph which you have deleted.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143299

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
> Google account.
 
I'm no fan of the cloud. I switched from Pixel 3 to Pixel 6 with the
transfer cable that came with the phone. Every app was re-installed
(some needed logging in again) and they even were in the same order on
my screen. All data (pictures, sound, video) was copied. The
step-by-step instructions were very clear and easy to follow. I don't
know if Motorola works in a similar way.

-- 
s|b

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#143300

On 9/4/24 1:04 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> 
>> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
>> Google account.
>   
> I'm no fan of the cloud. I switched from Pixel 3 to Pixel 6 with the
> transfer cable that came with the phone. Every app was re-installed
> (some needed logging in again) and they even were in the same order on
> my screen. All data (pictures, sound, video) was copied. The
> step-by-step instructions were very clear and easy to follow. I don't
> know if Motorola works in a similar way.

Don't know if Motorola does it too, but this is exactly what happened 
when I switched from Motorola to Pixel2.  Absolutely blew my mind.  I 
wish I'd removed the sdcard from the Motorola first, though.  Now I have 
a weirdly-named subdirectory with a lot of stuff that would be better 
off elsewhere.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "Many realize that the control of language is power. If you can't speak
   your mind, your opinions have no weight."           --nightfire-unique

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#143329

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:18:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> Don't know if Motorola does it too, but this is exactly what happened 
> when I switched from Motorola to Pixel2.  Absolutely blew my mind.  I 
> wish I'd removed the sdcard from the Motorola first, though.  Now I have 
> a weirdly-named subdirectory with a lot of stuff that would be better 
> off elsewhere.

Can't you change that? I use Total Commander for my files:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ghisler.android.TotalCommander&hl=en>

-- 
s|b

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#143313

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-09-04 07:13:

> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
> 
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the 
> Google account.

Not all apps will be backed up in the Google Cloud.

First of all you have to enable backup at all - in "vanilla" Android
(e.g. on a Pixel device) you find this here:

Settings - System - Backup

There you can enable "Backup by Google One" which will backup *most*
apps and their data, but *not* everything! You can also select what
should be backed up.

Why do not all apps get backed up?

Some apps - for example banking apps - store login credentials in the
secure storage of the device which can not be backed up and restored to
another device for security reasons. Also some apps do not allow to
backup their data since it may be protected using DRM or is paid content
which must not be transferred to any other device but only be downloaded
using the official sources.

So eventhough many apps and settings can be restored on another Android
device using Google backp, you still may have to set up individual apps
manually.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#143315

On 2024-09-08 11:25, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-09-04 07:13:
> 
>> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>
>>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>>
>> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
>> Google account.
> 
> Not all apps will be backed up in the Google Cloud.
> 
> First of all you have to enable backup at all - in "vanilla" Android
> (e.g. on a Pixel device) you find this here:
> 
> Settings - System - Backup
> 
> There you can enable "Backup by Google One" which will backup *most*
> apps and their data, but *not* everything! You can also select what
> should be backed up.
> 
> Why do not all apps get backed up?
> 
> Some apps - for example banking apps - store login credentials in the
> secure storage of the device which can not be backed up and restored to
> another device for security reasons. Also some apps do not allow to
> backup their data since it may be protected using DRM or is paid content
> which must not be transferred to any other device but only be downloaded
> using the official sources.
> 
> So eventhough many apps and settings can be restored on another Android
> device using Google backp, you still may have to set up individual apps
> manually.

And some apps have their own backup method, like whatsapp, which stores 
the backup on the google account, separately.

What I don't know is if transferring usage phone to phone using the 
usb-c cable bypasses the need of the backup on google for whatsapp.

The whatsapp backup is normally incomplete, it does not include videos 
(and I'm unsure about photos). There is a separate tick mark.

I had to disable video backup because it then takes too long and fails. 
I also had to disable encrypted backup.

If cable transfer bypasses the need for using the backup, that would be 
very welcomed.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143298

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work, 
> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos, 
> etc) has to be copied as well.

They don't have to be...

-- 
s|b

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#143314

On 2024-09-04 21:57, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
> 
> They don't have to be...

Why not? :-o

If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly 
the same.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143316

On 9/8/24 5:57 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>On 2024-09-04 21:57, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>> 
>> They don't have to be...
>
>Why not? :-o
>
>If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly 
>the same.

YMMV. When I change phones after 5+ years I will start from scratch to weed
 out and get rid of all that accumulated no longer used junk (seen and
 hiding) that has built up... 

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#143318

AJL wrote on Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:54:10 -0000 (UTC) :

>>If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly 
>>the same.
> 
> YMMV. When I change phones after 5+ years I will start from scratch to weed
>  out and get rid of all that accumulated no longer used junk (seen and
>  hiding) that has built up...

As others said, everyone has differing opinions, where what I do is
periodically save the homescreen setup to a file on the sd card.

That saves everything about the homescreen (folders, icons, shortcuts,
positions, names, icons, colors, shadows, etc.) to that single file.

Then, when I get a new phone, I simply pop in that SIM card and re-load
that file. No cable is needed. Every app icon is where it belongs.

I've done this so many times, it comes naturally to me; but I understaqnd
that most people don't come up with their own systems, so they're at the
mercy of whatever MARKETING has come up for them.

Having said that, MARKETING (both Google & Samsung), and hell, even Apple,
has come up with some pretty easy ways to bring over all your apps & data.

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#143319

On 9/8/2024 10:11 AM, Andrew wrote:
> AJL wrote on Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:54:10 -0000 (UTC) :

>> When I change phones after 5+ years I will start from scratch to
>> weed out and get rid of all that accumulated no longer used junk
>> (seen and hiding) that has built up...

> As others said, everyone has differing opinions, where what I do is
> periodically save the homescreen setup to a file on the sd card.
>
> That saves everything about the homescreen (folders, icons,
> shortcuts, positions, names, icons, colors, shadows, etc.) to that
> single file.
>
> Then, when I get a new phone, I simply pop in that SIM card and
> re-load that file. No cable is needed. Every app icon is where it
> belongs.

My Galaxy S10+ is a semi-virgin. Never has had a USB cable plugged into
her but I do defile the headphone hole occasionally...

> I've done this so many times, it comes naturally to me; but I
> understand that most people don't come up with their own systems, so
> they're at the mercy of whatever MARKETING has come up for them.

I've only had this ONE phone for the last 5+ years. The get a bunch of
phones marketing has failed on me. However not so with tablets. I do
have a bunch of them toys.

> Having said that, MARKETING (both Google & Samsung), and hell, even
> Apple, has come up with some pretty easy ways to bring over all your
> apps & data.

Yup. I'm a Google captive. Since my S10+ is still working well I doubt
I'll change it out anytime soon. But when I do it won't be all that
hard. Just go to my Play Store account and check off the apps I still
want from my app list and hit download. Then as I open each app, Google
will put in the password for me. And then I will download any old apks
(like my favorite newsreader Groundhog) that I still want that aren't
in the store from my Google Drive. Easy peasy...

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