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  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-12 04:31 +0000
    Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-12 06:26 +0100
      Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-12 06:12 +0000
        Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-12 06:19 +0000
          Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 08:35 +0000
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-13 18:06 +0000
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 20:25 +0000
                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-13 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-14 22:03 +0000
                    Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-14 23:40 +0000
                      Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 09:05 +0000
                        Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-15 13:25 +0000
                          Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 16:12 +0000
                            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-16 17:34 +0000
                              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 21:36 +0000
                                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-17 04:16 +0000
                                  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 10:54 +0000
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-15 11:56 +0200
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-13 14:27 -0400
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 20:25 +0000
                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-13 23:20 +0000
      Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-06-12 06:50 +0000
        Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-06-12 18:37 +0200
          Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-12 17:47 +0100
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-06-12 10:34 -0700
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-12 17:32 -0400
                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-06-12 14:46 -0700
                  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-12 18:06 -0400
                    Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-06-12 15:17 -0700
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-06-12 14:47 -0500
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-13 09:24 +1200
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-12 17:34 -0400
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 21:51 +0000
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-13 04:09 +0100
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-13 14:21 -0400
                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 20:40 +0000
                  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-13 17:32 -0400
          Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-12 17:31 -0400
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 21:51 +0000
              Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-12 18:09 -0400
                Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-14 22:03 +0000
                  Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-15 18:04 -0400
            Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-13 13:02 +1200
          Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-06-13 06:10 +0000
    Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-13 17:54 +0000
      Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 18:52 +0000
        Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-13 19:32 +0000

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#142032

Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:25:26 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?
>> 
>> This is where the distinction of the functionality being "on device" or 
>> on Apple's servers as a "store, wait and forward" function comes in....
> 
> Exactly. I guess it's like outlook's method where it's all done on the
> server meaning it doesn't matter that your PC is off.

As a related aside, I've been looking up details about how the Apple iOS 18
satellite messaging method works, whose encryption seems to suffer from the
same classic walled-garden flaws as scheduled messages appear to suffer
from.

The clue that the inherent weaknesses of the walled garden are involved in
the satellite messaging method is that Apple advertises it's E2E encrypted.
 <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/06/11/apple-expands-satellite-messaging-capabilities-with-ios-18/>
 "Messages sent via satellite will have the same end-to-end encryption
  as typical iMessages."

Note that E2E encryption is reserved for people wholly inside the walled
garden, which implies that encrypted satellite messaging won't actually
work in the real world (where 3/4 of the people on this planet are NOT
logged into Apple servers, even as the satellite service is apparently USA
only at this time, according to the references cited in this article).
 "It's nice to see both SMS and iMessage supported over satellite, 
  even if only the latter is end-to-end encrypted."
 <https://www.engadget.com/how-messages-via-satellite-will-work-on-ios-18-and-how-much-it-will-cost-130020976.html>

Note that RCS is NOT handled by Apple's satellite coverage.
 "Apple's decision to include SMS is thoughtful, and though I'd 
  like RCS to be covered as well that platform's messages are
  too large or complicated to compress effectively"

However, note this article says Apple's SMS will work in the real world.
 <https://explorersweb.com/apple-ios-18-will-allow-satellite-texting-for-u-s-users/>
 "Texts to non-iPhone users will also go by satellite, via SMS."

For Android users, note T-Mobile & Verizon have Android 15 satellite plans.
Android 15:
 <https://www.androidauthority.com/satellite-messaging-t-mobile-android-15-3444192/>
T-Mobile:
 <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/01/10/spacex-sends-its-text-messages-via-direct-to-cell-starlink-satellites/>
Verizon:
 <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/05/29/verizon-jumps-into-satellite-to-cell-market-with-ast-spacemobile/>

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#141982

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote at 05:26 this Wednesday (GMT):
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>
> Is it a useful feature?  I haven't used it, if I received a "happy 
> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...


I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
some use for it.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#141984

On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>
>> Is it a useful feature?  I haven't used it, if I received a "happy 
>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
> 
> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
> some use for it.

I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others. 

If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

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#141985

Enrico Papaloma wrote:

> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing 
that I would ever need ...

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#141986

On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
> 
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
> 
> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing 
> that I would ever need ...
> 

And which you could do with...

..Reminders!

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#141996

On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>
>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>
>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, 
>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>
> 
> And which you could do with...
> 
> ..Reminders!

Not really.
One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#141998

On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>
>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, 
>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>
>>
>> And which you could do with...
>>
>> ..Reminders!
> 
> Not really.
> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
> 
> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
> 

So... ...use Shortcuts:

<https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

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#142001

On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>>
>>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, 
>>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> And which you could do with...
>>>
>>> ..Reminders!
>>
>> Not really.
>> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
>>
>> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
>>
> 
> So... ...use Shortcuts:
> 
> <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

Not worth the trouble.


-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#142003

On 2024-06-12 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, 
>>>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And which you could do with...
>>>>
>>>> ..Reminders!
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
>>>
>>> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
>>>
>>
>> So... ...use Shortcuts:
>>
>> <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>
> 
> Not worth the trouble.
> 
> 

The point being that it's never been unavailable.

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#141993

On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> nothing that I would ever need

What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

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#141994

On 2024-06-12 19:47:35 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>> nothing that I would ever need
> 
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

My uncle simply sends them. It doesn't matter that it's the middle of 
the night here. That's why my mother turns her phone's sound off (or 
the phone itself) every night. Most people will be the same - they will 
simply press send and not know nor bother with scheduling. What the 
makers and developers forget is that most users are not techno-geeks, 
they do not care about all these gimmicks and just do things the simple 
way they always have.

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#141997

On 2024-06-12 15:47, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> nothing that I would ever need
> 
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

Does it matter?  Not like the message isn't waiting for them if you send 
it now and they see it when they rouse themselves.

Get plenty of e-mail and the odd message that way.

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#142000

Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> nothing that I would ever need
> 
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

That's what do not disturb is for. 

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#142006

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
> 
> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing 
> that I would ever need ...

For anyone who runs a business from their iPhone - or people who only
remember the important things they need to text while laying in bed at 3
a.m. - the new scheduling feature will be a much-welcomed addition. Beyond
simply making life easier, like when you want to text someone across time
zones without disturbing them, Apple's screenshot suggests you could also
use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
greeting.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/11/at-last-apples-messages-app-will-support-rcs-and-scheduling-texts/

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#142017

On 2024-06-12 23:09, Peter wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>
>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
>> that I would ever need ...
> 
> For anyone who runs a business from their iPhone - or people who only
> remember the important things they need to text while laying in bed at 3
> a.m. - the new scheduling feature will be a much-welcomed addition. Beyond
> simply making life easier, like when you want to text someone across time
> zones without disturbing them, Apple's screenshot suggests you could also

Most people have their phones set to do-not-disturb for their sleep 
period.  And should unless in some sort of "on call" status.

> use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
> greeting.
> 

Already have calendar reminders for B'days - most of whom I call 
personally to remind about their inexorable submission to entropy.

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#142026

Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 23:09, Peter wrote:
> 
>> use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
>> greeting.
>> 
> 
> Already have calendar reminders for B'days - most of whom I call 
> personally to remind about their inexorable submission to entropy.

A handy tip I found out recently is if you add a date of birth to a
contact's details on iOS it'll put a note in the calendar telling you their
birthday *and* their age. 

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#142028

On 2024-06-13 16:40, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 23:09, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
>>> greeting.
>>>
>>
>> Already have calendar reminders for B'days - most of whom I call
>> personally to remind about their inexorable submission to entropy.
> 
> A handy tip I found out recently is if you add a date of birth to a
> contact's details on iOS it'll put a note in the calendar telling you their
> birthday *and* their age.

Quite right - in effect Calendar takes birthdates from contacts and 
expresses them on your Mac or other ...

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#141995

On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>
>>> Is it a useful feature?  I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>
>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>> some use for it.
> 
> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
> 
> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
> 
> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.

More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point 
in the future.  But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might 
be useful.

Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull.  Need to test that.

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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#141999

Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>> 
>>>> Is it a useful feature?  I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>> 
>>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>>> some use for it.
>> 
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>> 
>> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
>> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
>> 
>> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.
> 
> I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.
> 
> More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point 
> in the future.  But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might 
> be useful.
> 
> Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull.  Need to test that.

I guess it depends on how the messages are "cached". If they're only stored
on your phone and then your phone is off or in airplane mode at the
scheduled time, then that is not very useful. 

I regularly use schedule send for emails for when I'm working in the
evenings. Not sure it's something I'll use often for texts. 

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#142002

On 2024-06-12 17:51, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:

>> in the future.  But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
>> be useful.
>>
>> Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull.  Need to test that.
> 
> I guess it depends on how the messages are "cached". If they're only stored
> on your phone and then your phone is off or in airplane mode at the
> scheduled time, then that is not very useful.
> 
> I regularly use schedule send for emails for when I'm working in the
> evenings. Not sure it's something I'll use often for texts.

Valid point that I'd put as almost edge case.

But it does make me wonder if the scheduled message is stored and sent 
from the (say) phone, or if it is stored and sent from an Apple server. 
Not sure if the keynote made that clear.

Easy enough to test.  Send a delayed text, then turn off the phone for 
the time that the message should be sent...

-- 
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
  the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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