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| First post | 2024-05-19 21:46 -0400 |
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How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-19 21:46 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-05-19 21:58 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-20 06:49 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 13:44 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-21 21:28 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-20 01:11 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-20 07:47 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 13:46 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-20 06:34 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 17:05 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 18:38 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-05-20 16:00 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-20 21:35 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-05-20 20:34 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 03:12 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-21 08:16 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 12:36 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-21 12:34 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 21:21 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 14:23 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-22 20:52 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-23 02:05 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-23 14:56 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-23 12:28 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-23 18:02 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-23 00:46 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-23 21:47 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-23 23:42 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-23 22:59 -0700
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-25 13:22 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-25 14:25 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 10:03 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-26 14:26 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 15:24 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-26 17:09 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-27 13:17 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-29 05:04 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-29 07:45 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-30 15:05 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-25 10:45 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-25 15:47 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-05-25 13:06 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-26 00:11 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. bad💽sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-05-25 21:43 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-26 06:22 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 10:33 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-25 21:16 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-25 22:16 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-26 18:46 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. bad💽sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-05-26 07:48 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-26 14:20 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-26 18:49 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-26 20:12 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. bad💽sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-05-27 04:29 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-25 22:13 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-26 21:19 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-26 22:07 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-27 14:44 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 15:18 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-05-26 16:05 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-27 06:44 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 14:10 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-23 21:33 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-23 23:46 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-24 21:07 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-23 02:12 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-24 21:58 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-25 21:12 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-05-27 06:54 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-27 09:03 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-05-21 03:44 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 12:40 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2024-05-20 11:55 +0100
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-20 21:47 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-05-20 08:06 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 16:08 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-24 12:30 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-05-20 06:47 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 14:44 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-21 19:19 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 16:03 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-22 13:39 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-22 16:36 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-22 11:13 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-22 14:02 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-22 15:28 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2024-05-20 10:06 -0800
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-20 21:42 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-21 15:33 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2024-05-21 08:49 -0800
Re: How will the police find me. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-21 17:31 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2024-05-22 08:59 -0800
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-23 02:23 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-21 14:48 -0400
Re: How will the police find me. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-21 10:29 +0200
Re: How will the police find me. Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-05-21 12:46 +0000
Re: How will the police find me. Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-05-23 10:19 -0500
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 16:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3ctp4jhn4iasgn7i3mmvommgfm96jfn1qk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141353 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 May 2024 19:19:06 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >[...] > >> Of course it's on topic. (and far, far more than knuttle's post that you >> praised.) Google maps is an Android app that everyone has, and how to >> relay to the police what the maps app says about a missing person's >> location is a question about more than the maps app. It's about Android >> usage in general. >> >> I think the only current way to do this would be to take a screen shot, >> or several at different levels of zoom, and send that to some police >> number that accepts email. I think I've heard that 911 will accept >> emails at least in parts of the country/world, but if it won't, the >> police will give you a number that will. >> >> How to take a screenshot and then find the file or the file name and how >> to "share" that with the police is another set of Android questions. >> >> My friend is one county away from where I live, so I think the easiest >> thing in my case would be to send the Carroll County or state police to >> her home and look at the map there. If someone used a friend 1000 miles >> away, when a friend is missing, it would then be worth learning how to >> take and email screenshots. >> >> Or one could borrow another cellphone and photograph the screen of the >> first one and send that picture. > > I assume you use the location sharing feature of Google Maps. Yes.** > > Assuming your ex-girlfriend knows how to use Google Maps, she can see >your last known location. She can 'pin' that location by long-pressing >it and then she can 'Share' (see bottom of screen) that location by any >of the available sharing methods, i.e. SMS, email, instant messaging >(WhatsApp), etc., etc.. Aha, this is just the sort of answer I was looking for! This sounds great. Almost worth getting stuck on the trail to try it out. (FWIW, I've never been on the receiving end of location sharing.) BTW, location sharing itself used to be much like this, specifically, long-pressing one's own location. When I tried last month to show it to another friend, it didn't work, and it turns out they had changed the instructions. Now the instructions are to tap your atavar or initial in the upper right corner of the map and then tap Location Sharing. It's conceivable to me that if you are giving the method by memory, that the current instructions for it have also changed. But it's easy enough to remember both methods. > The sharing goes via the Google Maps URL [1] of the location. Sadly, I do >not see a method to share the actual coordinates, which would be better. >Also see Chris' earlier reference to WhatThreeWords. > > BTW, do *not* use a screenshot if the above methods are available. The >screenshot might not contain enough of the surroundings to pinpoint the >location and even if it does, it's uneccessarily hard to determine the >actual coordinates (within some reasonable accuracy). Not only that. the AllTrails map showed my location and it zigzagged near the trail I was supposed to take, even though I was almost always right on the trail I was supposed to take. I think this was because GPS is not perfect > > If your ex-girlfriend does not know how to use Google Maps, it's best She does. She even uses it. She just doesn't know which direction is north and which is south. She has to go by landmarks. At least that's what she says. (I've tried telling that A is south of B and she says she doesn't understand, so i have to say it's closer to downtown. She knows where downtown is.) But she's ahead of me on a lot of phone stuff. I think she knows a lot more than she admits, but when I say that, she's silent, neither confirming nor denying. >if she goes to the police or they come to her, and take it from there. > >[1] Example: <https://maps.app.goo.gl/2TpN5LggxDJNQN7F6> (which is The >White House). Google has its own location notation/sysem, in this case VXX7+39 Washington, District of Columbia That is, the VXX&+39 part. That's unrelated to WhatThreeWords, right? **(I mentioned that AllTrails also had location sharing (that might just piggyback on Google***), but it didn't offer it to me yesterday like it had the night before. Not sure why, but I didn't go looking for it and so I didn't test it like I wanted to. Ah, here it is. It's called Live Share, and it didn't work yesteday, I suppose, becaues I had no cell signal on the trail. I had sent the ext about google's before I started.) ***No, not Google. It ssems to send your friend a link to an AllTrails page, and I suppose AllTrails can know your current location as well as google does even though iiuc it won't when you have no cellular signal.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 13:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2l3j4.3o8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141355 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: [...] > Not only that. the AllTrails map showed my location and it zigzagged > near the trail I was supposed to take, even though I was almost always > right on the trail I was supposed to take. I think this was because GPS > is not perfect Was this in a tree covered area or/and with overcast weather? Both tend to weaken the GPS signal, which is already a very weak signal to start with. (Imagine the satellites transmitting from some 20,000km (12,500mi) above the earth to your smartphone.) Moral: Get out of the woods and only hike on a sunny day! :-) [...]
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 16:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2l6uj$qr6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #141366 |
Frank Slootweg wrote on 22 May 2024 15:28:22 GMT : > I even successfully used it in a normal commercial > airplane. Agree my Samsung's GPS also works just fine in the windows seat of a commercial airplane. What I do, when I hike, is send periodic texts, which magically work even without cellular signal, if you're ambulatory and if you eventually get to an area that has cellular signal - because they're queued up by the phone. *GPS to SMS* - location sharing by Tralchonok Labs free, ad free, gsf free, 3.6 star, 787 reviews, 100K+ Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.perm.trubnikov.gps2sms> <https://github.com/tral/GPS2SMS> <https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-2-2-gps-to-sms-location-sharing.2994187/>
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 11:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <km2s4j1cibe30hb1rbed9kr0cbtqi738r3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141366 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 22 May 2024 13:39:35 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >[...] > >> Not only that. the AllTrails map showed my location and it zigzagged >> near the trail I was supposed to take, even though I was almost always >> right on the trail I was supposed to take. I think this was because GPS >> is not perfect > > Was this in a tree covered area or/and with overcast weather? Both Yes, both of those. >tend to weaken the GPS signal, which is already a very weak signal to >start with. (Imagine the satellites transmitting from some 20,000km >(12,500mi) above the earth to your smartphone.) But it isn't the strength of the signal that matters, it's the time delay iirc. Does Going through clouds and leaves delay the signal? > Moral: Get out of the woods and only hike on a sunny day! :-) > >[...]
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 14:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <gfcs4jpg6ijfs6do31j0ubbc8ide39pvp7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141368 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 22 May 2024 15:28:22 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on 22 May 2024 13:39:35 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> >[...] >> > >> >> Not only that. the AllTrails map showed my location and it zigzagged >> >> near the trail I was supposed to take, even though I was almost always >> >> right on the trail I was supposed to take. I think this was because GPS >> >> is not perfect >> > >> > Was this in a tree covered area or/and with overcast weather? Both >> >> Yes, both of those. >> >> >tend to weaken the GPS signal, which is already a very weak signal to >> >start with. (Imagine the satellites transmitting from some 20,000km >> >(12,500mi) above the earth to your smartphone.) >> >> But it isn't the strength of the signal that matters, it's the time >> delay iirc. Does Going through clouds and leaves delay the signal? > > The signal strength does matter, because if it's too low, the >smartphone can't pick it up. I.e. similar to a 'cell' signal, if it's >too weak, you won't get a connection. > > In my experience, both with 'real' GPSs - i.e. dedicated devices - and >smartphones, trees and clouds are the main problems for getting a fix. There were definitely loads of trees and clouds. > > Indoors is also a problem, but it's not often needed in such >circumstances. Usually I know where I am when I'm indoors. Especially in buildings that don't move. > In a vehicle, it's mostly not a problem, because of the >amount of glass. I even successfully used it in a normal commercial >airplane. Witht the same phone I've tried it in several airplanes. First time or two, didn't work at all. Then worked in two planes. Then didn't work. Always window seat. Havent' figured out the difference yet. The first time, when it didn't work was flying from JFK in NY to BWI Baltimore. Over the water, I guess, but that relates to cellular data, not GPS. (I would normally drive but this was the 2nd leg of a flight.) >(The plane didn't have a screen showing its current position, >etc., so I took my tablet, fired up OsmAnd+ and held the tablet somewhat >close to the window.) > >> > Moral: Get out of the woods and only hike on a sunny day! :-) >> > >> >[...]
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 15:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2l9vg.qvg.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141368 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on 22 May 2024 13:39:35 GMT, Frank Slootweg > <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > >[...] > > > >> Not only that. the AllTrails map showed my location and it zigzagged > >> near the trail I was supposed to take, even though I was almost always > >> right on the trail I was supposed to take. I think this was because GPS > >> is not perfect > > > > Was this in a tree covered area or/and with overcast weather? Both > > Yes, both of those. > > >tend to weaken the GPS signal, which is already a very weak signal to > >start with. (Imagine the satellites transmitting from some 20,000km > >(12,500mi) above the earth to your smartphone.) > > But it isn't the strength of the signal that matters, it's the time > delay iirc. Does Going through clouds and leaves delay the signal? The signal strength does matter, because if it's too low, the smartphone can't pick it up. I.e. similar to a 'cell' signal, if it's too weak, you won't get a connection. In my experience, both with 'real' GPSs - i.e. dedicated devices - and smartphones, trees and clouds are the main problems for getting a fix. Indoors is also a problem, but it's not often needed in such circumstances. In a vehicle, it's mostly not a problem, because of the amount of glass. I even successfully used it in a normal commercial airplane. (The plane didn't have a screen showing its current position, etc., so I took my tablet, fired up OsmAnd+ and held the tablet somewhat close to the window.) > > Moral: Get out of the woods and only hike on a sunny day! :-) > > > >[...]
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| From | "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-20 10:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lb1hpcFm8iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141305 |
micky wrote: > Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location to > my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the worst, > that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is > broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I > still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's > location using the simple instructions I found on the web. When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which I can follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. If you are really worried you should look at something like a Garmin inReach. -- <Bill> Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-20 21:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2gg4r$d80$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #141320 |
Bill Bradshaw wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 10:06:34 -0800 : > micky wrote: >> Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location to >> my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the worst, >> that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is >> broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I >> still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's >> location using the simple instructions I found on the web. > > When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which I can > follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. If you are > really worried you should look at something like a Garmin inReach. I use something like that for finding my car in mall parking lots. *GPS Waypoint Finder* by keuwlsoft free, ad free, gsf free, 3.9 star, 1.35K reviews, 100K+ Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keuwl.gpswaypoints> *Parked Car* by Myroslav Kolodii free, ad free, requires gsf, 4.4 star, 179 reviews, 10K+ Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.unagit.parkedcar> *GPS to SMS* - location sharing by Tralchonok Labs free, ad free, gsf free, 3.6 star, 787 reviews, 100K+ Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.perm.trubnikov.gps2sms> <https://github.com/tral/GPS2SMS> <https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-2-2-gps-to-sms-location-sharing.2994187/> In addition, there are park maps in the free outerspacial which will show the location of every park ranger office in the United States. *OuterSpatial* by OuterSpatial free, ad free, requires gsf, rated 3.4 out of 113 reviews @ 10K+ Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trailheadlabs.outerspatial> <https://www.outerspatial.com/> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/outerspatial/id1254161962>
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 15:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2ilt4.r38.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141320 |
Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: > micky wrote: > > Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location to > > my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the worst, > > that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is > > broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I > > still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's > > location using the simple instructions I found on the web. > > When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which I can > follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. If you are > really worried you should look at something like a Garmin inReach. We also have an old (non-phone) GPS (Garmin), which can lay 'breadcrumbs' for backtracking. Got us out of a mess in outback Australia where there was a maze of non-signposted dirt tracks and our maps (paper and offline smartphone ones) failed us. Two-way (text/SMS) satellite communication like the Garmin InReach is of course better, but also more expensive, because of the monthly costs for the subscription. When we're in the boonies of Australia, we have a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon). That gives only a signal - not a message - and your location to the satellite, but doesn't need a costly subscription. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon#Personal_Locator_Beacon> -- Frank Slootweg, smartphone, maps, GPS, compass and PLB.
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| From | "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 08:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lb41kcFc3h2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141341 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: >> micky wrote: >>> Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location >>> to my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the >>> worst, that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the >>> phone is broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's >>> 6PM and I still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my >>> phone's location using the simple instructions I found on the web. >> >> When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which >> I can follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. >> If you are really worried you should look at something like a Garmin >> inReach. > > We also have an old (non-phone) GPS (Garmin), which can lay > 'breadcrumbs' for backtracking. Got us out of a mess in outback > Australia where there was a maze of non-signposted dirt tracks and our > maps (paper and offline smartphone ones) failed us. > > Two-way (text/SMS) satellite communication like the Garmin InReach is > of course better, but also more expensive, because of the monthly > costs for the subscription. > > When we're in the boonies of Australia, we have a PLB (Personal > Locator Beacon). That gives only a signal - not a message - and your > location to the satellite, but doesn't need a costly subscription. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon#Personal_Locator_Beacon> I am sending this to you and Andrew. If you do not have cell phone service how can you send somebody your location and problem? <Bill>
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2isq0.8fg.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141343 |
Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: > >> micky wrote: > >>> Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location > >>> to my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the > >>> worst, that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the > >>> phone is broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's > >>> 6PM and I still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my > >>> phone's location using the simple instructions I found on the web. > >> > >> When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which > >> I can follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. > >> If you are really worried you should look at something like a Garmin > >> inReach. > > > > We also have an old (non-phone) GPS (Garmin), which can lay > > 'breadcrumbs' for backtracking. Got us out of a mess in outback > > Australia where there was a maze of non-signposted dirt tracks and our > > maps (paper and offline smartphone ones) failed us. > > > > Two-way (text/SMS) satellite communication like the Garmin InReach is > > of course better, but also more expensive, because of the monthly > > costs for the subscription. > > > > When we're in the boonies of Australia, we have a PLB (Personal > > Locator Beacon). That gives only a signal - not a message - and your > > location to the satellite, but doesn't need a costly subscription. > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon#Personal_Locator_Beacon> > > I am sending this to you and Andrew. If you do not have cell phone service > how can you send somebody your location and problem? Huh? Please (re-)read my response and reference. As I mentioned, with a PLB you can send a signal - i.e. the fact that you have a severe problem - and your location. As a result, the emergency services will come looking for you (they are required to respond). And no, as I said, with a PLB you can not send a message, so you can not tell *which* problem you have, but the signal indicates that you have a severe problem. I.e. if you trigger the PLB because you're out of beer, you will get a hefty fine and might have to pay all the expenses for the bogus rescue operation. So: A device like the Garmin InReach is more expenswive and has continuous subscription costs. A PLB is cheaper and has no subscription costs, but can not send/receive messages. Nothing has only advantages and no disadvantages and life isn't fair. News at eleven.
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2j348$43p$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #141343 |
Bill Bradshaw wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 08:49:15 -0800 : > If you do not have cell phone service > how can you send somebody your location and problem? Please re-read what I wrote (and what Frank wrote) where we took into account that problem, in various ways - because we understood the problem set and, as a result of that understanding, we kindly provided the OP with a variety of purposefully helpful workarounds.
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| From | "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-22 08:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lb6mjrFo8t6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141358 |
Andrew wrote: > Bill Bradshaw wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 08:49:15 -0800 : > >> If you do not have cell phone service >> how can you send somebody your location and problem? > > Please re-read what I wrote (and what Frank wrote) where we took into > account that problem, in various ways - because we understood the > problem set and, as a result of that understanding, we kindly > provided the OP with a variety of purposefully helpful workarounds. They just found the body of a solo climber that fell on Denali several days ago by following his inReach track. <Bill>
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-23 02:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <llnt4j1oht6dsroqor77md4g430q44ad3h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141343 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 21 May 2024 08:49:15 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: > >I am sending this to you Frank >and Andrew. But I will answer anyhow! > If you do not have cell phone service >how can you send somebody your location and problem? That's the advantage of GPS based reporting. I can't send my problem. All anyone would know is that I haven't returned home, or to the car, but I can send my location. BTW, I would say the odds of my needing this are less than 1 in 50,000. I've had a couple physicals and I'm very very unlikely to have a heart attack or stroke, and after breaking each of my legs in two incidents long ago, I'm pretty careful not to do that. But I would sure feel stupid if the unlikely happened and I was lying there and hadn't let anyone know where I was, or what to do if I didn't come home. It would be worse if I were conscious because then I would spend the hours before my demise kicking myself with my one good leg for being unprepared. Even though it was a weekday, there were 15 cars in the parking lot (many of whom I later realized had taken a trail in the opposite direction), and I was 200 and 300 yards behind other walkers, and bumped into 3 people and two dogs coming the other way, but after 15 minutes, I never saw anyone else until 10 minutes from the end. ><Bill>
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 14:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <osqp4j1njr0q8apcrpu9409s5qvidamkvu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141320 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 20 May 2024 10:06:34 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote: >micky wrote: >> Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location to >> my ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the worst, >> that I break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is >> broken or stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I >> still haven't texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's >> location using the simple instructions I found on the web. > >When I am out alone I always run a track on my GPS (not phone) which I can >follow back so I do not get lost because I am 78 years old. If you are >really worried you should look at something like a Garmin inReach. This reminds me of the abandoned chromium mine at Soldiers Delight**, not far from here. There is a string running from the entrance into the mine, left by someone who wanted to find his way out. Unfortunately the mine has been flooded when I've been there. **Used to be the biggest producer of chromium in the world, back when there was little use of chromium.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 10:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lb34btF7i63U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141305 |
micky, 2024-05-20 03:46: > Going hiking tomorrow. Finally realized I was sending my location to my > ex-GF, but I hadn't told her how to see it. Assuming the worst, that I > break my leg and can't get off the trail, but the phone is broken or > stolen, and assuming she actually notices it's 6PM and I still haven't > texted her to say I'm done, she can see my phone's location using the > simple instructions I found on the web. An Android device can not help you in an emergency if it breaks or the battery is dead. Therefore do not go alone! [...] > Or is my friend supposed to somehow send the location information she > can see on her phone to their phone? How? You can share your location on Google Maps with another user either for a limited time period or until you turn off this option again: <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/7326816?hl=en> Besides that, OSMAnd also supports location sharing. <https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/osmand-tracker/> Regardless which solution you use - the other person also needs Google Maps or OSMAnd to view your current location. But keep in mind that having GPS enabled all the time and sending location updates drains your battery quite fast. So also keep a big power bank with you. Also keep in mind that the device can fail and/or batteries can get empty. Therefore do not go alone! -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-21 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v2i52c$1eeq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #141333 |
Arno Welzel wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 10:29:50 +0200 : > Therefore do not go alone! That's not bad advice, but he's not climbing Mount Denali either. He's just hiking. Hiking alone is what millions of people do. There's nothing wrong with it. It's like driving alone. Or like reading alone. Or watching TV alone. Accidents can happen anywhere. You just need to be prepared for the most likely ones. > An Android device can not help you in an emergency if it breaks or the > battery is dead. Or if there isn't any cellphone service in the area, which is why I had suggested a ham radio or satellite service (which I know is rarely used). >> Or is my friend supposed to somehow send the location information she >> can see on her phone to their phone? How? > > You can share your location on Google Maps with another user either for > a limited time period or until you turn off this option again: > > <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/7326816?hl=en> > > Besides that, OSMAnd also supports location sharing. > > <https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/osmand-tracker/> > > Regardless which solution you use - the other person also needs Google > Maps or OSMAnd to view your current location. I didn't know about OSMAnd. That's a nice feature if it works well. "OsmAnd Tracker is a modified Telegram client created for flexible monitoring and sending messages with GPS locations in real-time." <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.osmand.telegram> > But keep in mind that having GPS enabled all the time and sending > location updates drains your battery quite fast. So also keep a big > power bank with you. Also keep in mind that the device can fail and/or > batteries can get empty. A second radio seems to me to be a safe bet although I have a (rather heavy) battery pack for charging a phone with foldout solar cells.
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| From | Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-05-23 10:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <v2nmpg$1vurc$1@news.usenet.ovh> |
| In reply to | #141305 |
I have been using SPOT which does what you want, for a fee. https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/about-spot/company-info� It works everywhere on the globe as a small device similar to a ship beacon. Your location is set to the Google map that SPOT will maintain for every subscriber. SPOT can be set to transmit your location at intervals. It can be set to send a message via text when you turn it on where that message can have the tracking URL where people can then watch your progress. The subscription allows it to send a text to any phone world wide. The beacon has an SOS button which activates the worldwide beacon system used for aircraft and ships with an automated distress message & location. The service will notify local rescue groups (local police usually).
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