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  Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 17:22 +0000
    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.) - 2017-01-03 21:18 +0000
      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 22:14 +0000
        Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 23:20 +0000
          Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:39 +0000
            Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 22:45 +0000
      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 08:30 +0100
        Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-05 01:45 -0500
          Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:07 +0100
          Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 23:12 -0800
            Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 00:01 -0500
              Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 23:21 -0800
                Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2017-01-06 09:02 +0000
                  Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:11 +0000
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2017-01-06 13:48 +0000
                  Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 17:38 +0000
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 12:57 -0500
                  Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 19:25 -0500
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 18:20 -0800
                Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 08:58 -0500
                  Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 19:35 -0500
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 20:51 -0500
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:38 +0000
                      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chronos <usenet@chronos.org.uk> - 2017-01-07 17:11 +0000
                      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:21 -0500
                      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2017-01-07 19:30 +0000
                        Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:24 -0500
                          Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:46 +0000
                            Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:50 -0800
                              Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2017-01-08 20:05 +0000
                                Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 17:09 -0800
                                  Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-09 11:07 -0500
                                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-09 14:10 -0500
                                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 09:45 -0800
                            Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 08:05 +0000
                    Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 20:13 +0000
                      Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:35 -0500

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#37448

In article <o4ngfl$k1i$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I was interested because I thought my next phone should have dual-SIM 
> capability so I could use my $10/year prepaid T-Mobile account in one 
> and a Freedompop data SIM in the other.  Given that I make very few 
> actual phone calls, I wouldn't have a conflict.  The bad part, of 
> course, is that there are no cheap dual-SIM phones that have external 
> sdcard capability.

a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.

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#37482

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:58:14 -0500, nospam wrote:

> a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.

You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37491

In article <1jlutm3rsab99.1m1yesssqqqbv.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.
> 
> You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
> flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp

buy a jack and change your own tires. 10-15 minutes later and you're on
your way.

that'll be done well before aaa (or anyone else for that matter) shows
up, and if you're many miles from the nearest service, it could be a
*really* long wait for that someone to get to you.

but to answer your question, if there's cellular service for making
voice calls, then there's cellular data to use voip. it's a complete
non-issue that you've made up. 

not only that, but if you're worried about calling for help, then you
don't even need an active service plan. all cellphones must be able to
call 911. you don't need anything more than a working phone.

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#37506

On 07/01/2017 00:35, tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:58:14 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.
>
> You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
> flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp

For the sake of British readers, a flat is a puncture - not an apartment 
and AAA refers to the American Automobile Association rather than being 
a small battery. <g>
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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#37507

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:38:42 +0000
Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote:

> For the sake of British readers, a flat is a puncture - not an
> apartment and AAA refers to the American Automobile Association
> rather than being a small battery. <g>

Those of us who aren't drooling xenophobes being wilfully obtuse -
a bit like the president elect - know already ;-)

Joking aside, in this era of declining Usenet use, any post is welcome
in the uk.* groups and you should be thanked for your input.
-- 
Your grandeur passes, and your pageantry, 
Your lordships pass, your kingdoms pass; and Time
Disposes wilfully of mortal things.

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#37510

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:38:42 +0000, Roger Mills wrote:

> For the sake of British readers, a flat is a puncture - not an apartment 
> and AAA refers to the American Automobile Association rather than being 
> a small battery. <g>

Thank you, Roger :-) . Let me expand just a bit on the term flat as used in
the USA for tires/tyres: it may well refer to a puncture; or to a blown-out
sidewall; or to a detached tread; or to a rim beaten so out of shape by a
curbstone as to have lost the integrity of ts airseal with the tyre/tire.

As for AAA ... well, context counts for a  lot, doesn't it :-) ? 

In any event, to start the new year off on the right foot, my apologies to
all whom I may have confused, offended, or otherwise upset.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37518

In comp.mobile.android Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 07/01/2017 00:35, tlvp wrote:
> > On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:58:14 -0500, nospam wrote:
> >
> >> a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.
> >
> > You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
> > flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> For the sake of British readers, a flat is a puncture - not an apartment 
> and AAA refers to the American Automobile Association rather than being 
> a small battery. <g>

It's not unheard of to call a puncture 'a flat', we certainly talk
about having 'a flat tyre'.

As regards AAA we just assume anything we know about but with an extra
A (or other letter) is the yanks trying to go one better!  :-)

e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA, our IEE becomes
IEEE, etc.  :-)

-- 
Chris Green
·

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#37544

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...

We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37551

On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>
>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>
> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow manage 
not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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#37559

On 01/08/2017 03:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>>
>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>>
>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
>> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>
> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow manage
> not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!

A drunk has a flat tyre (see, I can spell Brit too!) and makes a call. 
Instead of a mechanic in a truck he gets some sympathy and a cup of 
coffee.  Am I the only one who sees a problem here?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
    prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
    would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
    Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
    board, each with a bomb?"                    -- Rowdy

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#37560

On 08/01/2017 19:50, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/08/2017 03:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
>> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>>>
>>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
>>> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>>
>> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow manage
>> not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!
>
> A drunk has a flat tyre (see, I can spell Brit too!) and makes a call. Instead
> of a mechanic in a truck he gets some sympathy and a cup of coffee.  Am I the
> only one who sees a problem here?
>

That's where you're going wrong, over here the mechanic would arrive also 
drunk and with the wrong tyre...

-- 
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

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#37579

On 01/08/2017 12:05 PM, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 08/01/2017 19:50, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/08/2017 03:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>>>>
>>>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
>>>> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>>>
>>> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow manage
>>> not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!
>>
>> A drunk has a flat tyre (see, I can spell Brit too!) and makes a call. Instead
>> of a mechanic in a truck he gets some sympathy and a cup of coffee.  Am I the
>> only one who sees a problem here?
>
> That's where you're going wrong, over here the mechanic would arrive also
> drunk and with the wrong tyre...

Last time I had occasion to call the (A)AA it was for a blowout in a 
parking lot -- rather than when I was driving down the mountain road, a 
good thing.  Unfortunately my mom had put wheel locks on the car and I 
couldn't find the wrench.  The (A)AA guys didn't have the proper tool to 
crack the damn thing off, so they called a flatbed to take it to my 
favorite Discount Ti|yre Store.  I would think that a nutcracker would 
be a standard tool for (A)AA, but NOOOOO!

When I was getting ready to take the car to the knackers (3 years later) 
I found the tool.  Feh.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "We need to cut more slack for the stupid;  after all, somebody has
    to populate the lower part of the bell curve."    -- Dennis (evil)

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#37594

On 1/8/2017 8:09 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/08/2017 12:05 PM, David Kennedy wrote:
>> On 08/01/2017 19:50, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 01/08/2017 03:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
>>>> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>>>>>
>>>>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
>>>>> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . 
>>>>> Cheers, -- tlvp
>>>>
>>>> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow 
>>>> manage
>>>> not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!
>>>
>>> A drunk has a flat tyre (see, I can spell Brit too!) and makes a 
>>> call. Instead
>>> of a mechanic in a truck he gets some sympathy and a cup of coffee.  
>>> Am I the
>>> only one who sees a problem here?
>>
>> That's where you're going wrong, over here the mechanic would arrive 
>> also
>> drunk and with the wrong tyre...
>
> Last time I had occasion to call the (A)AA it was for a blowout in a 
> parking lot -- rather than when I was driving down the mountain road, 
> a good thing.  Unfortunately my mom had put wheel locks on the car and 
> I couldn't find the wrench.  The (A)AA guys didn't have the proper 
> tool to crack the damn thing off, so they called a flatbed to take it 
> to my favorite Discount Ti|yre Store.  I would think that a nutcracker 
> would be a standard tool for (A)AA, but NOOOOO!
>
> When I was getting ready to take the car to the knackers (3 years 
> later) I found the tool.  Feh.
>
There's no need for a nutcracker, it's very easy to get a wheel-lock 
off.  Take a socket that doesn't quite fit over the wheel lock and 
hammer it on, then put the socket wrench on (or breaker bar), and take 
off the lock.

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#37597

On 09/01/2017 16:07, PAS wrote:
> On 1/8/2017 8:09 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

>>
>> When I was getting ready to take the car to the knackers (3 years
>> later) I found the tool. Feh.
>>
> There's no need for a nutcracker, it's very easy to get a wheel-lock
> off. Take a socket that doesn't quite fit over the wheel lock and hammer
> it on, then put the socket wrench on (or breaker bar), and take off the
> lock.
>

Except that the better wheel locking nuts have a freely rotating outer 
ring to stop you from doing that!
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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#37601

On 1/9/2017 12:34 PM, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 09/01/2017 16:07, PAS wrote:
>> On 1/8/2017 8:09 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>>
>>> When I was getting ready to take the car to the knackers (3 years
>>> later) I found the tool. Feh.
>>>
>> There's no need for a nutcracker, it's very easy to get a wheel-lock
>> off. Take a socket that doesn't quite fit over the wheel lock and hammer
>> it on, then put the socket wrench on (or breaker bar), and take off the
>> lock.
>>
>
> Except that the better wheel locking nuts have a freely rotating outer 
> ring to stop you from doing that!

I'm sure those types of wheel locks have been around for some time but I 
have to say that I've never seen one.

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#37598

On 01/09/2017 08:07 AM, PAS wrote:
> On 1/8/2017 8:09 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/08/2017 12:05 PM, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2017 19:50, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 01/08/2017 03:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
>>>>> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics
>>>>>> Anonymous) somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy
>>>>>> solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>>>>>
>>>>> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and
>>>>> somehow manage not to confuse it with the Automobile
>>>>> Association!
>>>>
>>>> A drunk has a flat tyre (see, I can spell Brit too!) and makes
>>>> a call. Instead of a mechanic in a truck he gets some sympathy
>>>> and a cup of coffee. Am I the only one who sees a problem
>>>> here?
>>>
>>> That's where you're going wrong, over here the mechanic would
>>> arrive also drunk and with the wrong tyre...
>>
>> Last time I had occasion to call the (A)AA it was for a blowout in
>> a parking lot -- rather than when I was driving down the mountain
>> road, a good thing.  Unfortunately my mom had put wheel locks on
>> the car and I couldn't find the wrench.  The (A)AA guys didn't have
>> the proper tool to crack the damn thing off, so they called a
>> flatbed to take it to my favorite Discount Ti|yre Store.  I would
>> think that a nutcracker would be a standard tool for (A)AA, but
>> NOOOOO!
>>
>> When I was getting ready to take the car to the knackers (3 years
>> later) I found the tool.  Feh.
>>
> There's no need for a nutcracker, it's very easy to get a wheel-lock
> off.  Take a socket that doesn't quite fit over the wheel lock and
> hammer it on, then put the socket wrench on (or breaker bar), and
> take off the lock.

That's probably what the thieves who stole my mom's wheels OUT OF HER
CARPORT did.  She had new ones put on the new wheels.  I wish she'd
asked my advice before she bought that POS 88 Caddy :-(


-- 
Cheers, Bev
     You know how dumb the average person is?
     Well, by definition, half are *even dumber*!

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#37588

Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/01/2017 05:24, tlvp wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:30:28 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
>> 
>>> ... e.g. our AA (Automobile Association) becomes the AAA ...
>> 
>> We must distinguish your AA from our (US) AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)
>> somehow, mustn't we? AAA seemed like an easy solution :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> But we in the UK also have an Alcoholics Anonymous - and somehow manage 
> not to confuse it with the Automobile Association!

That's why I'm with Green Flag, no confusion at all! 

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#37526

tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:58:14 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
> > a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.
> 
> You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
> flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp

  Whether "there's VOIP available" has only to do with you, your phone,
etc.. The location is irrelevant, but of course there must be mobile
coverage, which is also needed for a normal non-VOIP - i.e. non-data -
voice call.

  So if you have some kind of data plan, have enabled mobile data and
have a VOIP app such as Skype, you will have "VOIP available" everywhere
where you have normal (non-VOIP/non-data) voice calling [1].

  Happy New Year to you as well.

[1] Actually in low-signal areas, VOIP might work better than normal
voice or VOIP might work while normal voice won't.

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#37545

On 7 Jan 2017 20:13:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:58:14 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> 
>>> a much easier solution is use voip for the occasional voice call.
>> 
>> You can assure me there's VOIP available on the highway where I just had my
>> flat, hence now need to call AAA for help? Happy New Year! Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
>   Whether "there's VOIP available" has only to do with you, your phone,
> etc.. The location is irrelevant, but of course there must be mobile
> coverage, which is also needed for a normal non-VOIP - i.e. non-data -
> voice call.
> 
>   So if you have some kind of data plan, have enabled mobile data and
> have a VOIP app such as Skype, you will have "VOIP available" everywhere
> where you have normal (non-VOIP/non-data) voice calling [1].
> 
>   Happy New Year to you as well.
> 
> [1] Actually in low-signal areas, VOIP might work better than normal
> voice or VOIP might work while normal voice won't.

Sorry, Frank, you're right of course. I was thinking, though, that I'd only
wind up using VOIP over a wi-fi connection, because the proposition was to
use VOIP instead of making a voice call using a SIM with very limited voice
minutes. Such a SIM has an even more limited allotment of data, no?

(Mine, for example, for its trimestrial $10, offers me up to 80 minutes of
voice, up to 10 MB of data, or any sub-convex combination thereof.)

So wi-fi was all my mind was blinkered to see. /Mea culpa/. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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